Aug 10, 2026 City Council

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NOW I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO JOIN YOUR COUNCIL IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. WE HAVE A QUORUM HERE TODAY. WE ARE MISSING COUNCILMEMBER PERSIAN, BUT OTHERWISE THE REST ARE IN ATTENDANCE.

BEFORE WE MOVE AHEAD, I WOULD

[Approval of Agenda]

SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION

[Oath of Office]

POLICE OFFICER SWEARING IN CEREMONY. TODAY WE WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE AND CONDUCT THE BADGE CEREMONY FOR OUR NEWEST OFFICER.

TODAY'S HONOREE IS POLICE OFFICER WESLEY WHITFIELD.

OVERSEEING TODAY'S CEREMONY IS POLICE CHIEF CHAD STENSRUD.

AND MAYOR BOB TUNHEIM WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE.

SINCE THE CITY OF ORONO WAS CREATED IN 1889, WE'VE HAD DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE WILLING TO ANSWER THE CALL TO SERVE THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS AND PRESERVE THE PEACE.

IN THE EARLY DAYS, THIS FUNCTION WAS PERFORMED BY CONSTABLES. HOWEVER, SINCE 1962, THAT FUNCTION HAS FALLEN TO THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT. TODAY, THE DEPARTMENT PROUDLY SERVES THE COMMUNITIES OF MINNETONKA BEACH, SPRING PARK, AND MOUND. THE FIRST PART OF TODAY'S CEREMONY CONSISTS OF THE OATH OF OFFICE. SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THEIR STATE, AND THE LAWS OF THEIR AGENCY'S JURISDICTION.

THE SWEARING OF AN OATH INDICATES THE HIGH LEVEL OF PUBLIC TRUST THE OFFICERS ASSUME AND REFLECTS THEIR DEDICATION TO THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.

IN THE SECOND PART OF TODAY'S CEREMONY, THE OFFICER WILL RECEIVE HIS NEW BADGE. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BADGE, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT INSIGNIA, SYMBOLIZE THE AUTHORITY THAT HAS BEEN ENTRUSTED TO THEM.

THE POLICE BADGE IS A SYMBOL OF AUTHORITY, RESPECT, INTEGRITY, AND TRUST. IT REPRESENTS THE WILLINGNESS TO SACRIFICE ONE'S OWN SAFETY TO ASSIST OTHERS. IT IS A SYMBOL AND A PROMISE TO UPHOLD THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, POLICE CHIEF CHAD STENSRUD WILL NOW SAY A FEW WORDS. THANK YOU, ADAM. FIRST OFF. THANK YOU, OFFICER WHITFIELD, FOR BEING HERE.

PUTTING YOUR NAME IN THE HAT AND DOING A JOB THAT SO MANY COULDN'T DO. YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH A THREE-MONTH FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM THAT YOU PASSED AND NOW ARE WORKING ON PATROL ON DAY SHIFT. AND WE ARE JUST HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYTHING YOU WILL BRING TO THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE. THE MAYOR WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH AND WE ASK THE I GUESS NOT FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT HONORED FRIEND TO COME FORWARD WHO WILL PIN THE BADGE ON HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. SO.

OFFICER WHITFIELD AND GUESTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD. OFFICER WESLEY WHITFIELD WAS BORN IN EDINA AND SPENT HIS CHILDHOOD IN BROOKLYN PARK, MINNESOTA.

WESLEY IS THE YOUNGEST OF SIX CHILDREN AND ADMITTEDLY WAS PROBABLY SPOILED COMPARED TO HIS SIBLINGS. I DIDN'T WRITE THIS. IT WAS PROVIDED. WESLEY GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL FROM PARK CENTER AND STARTED HIS COLLEGE CAREER IN ALABAMA BEFORE MAKING HIS WAY BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA, GRADUATING WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE POLICY AND MANAGEMENT. WESLEY EXPLORED MANY DIFFERENT CAREER OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE FINDING HIS WAY INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT. WESLEY STARTED WITH THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT ON FEBRUARY 23RD OF 2026 AND IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE DAY SHIFT AS A PATROL OFFICER. JOINING WESLEY AT THE FRONT IS HIS FRIEND, SAMBA FALL. THE MAYOR WILL NOW ADMINISTER THE OATH. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. REPEAT AFTER ME. I, WESLEY WHITFIELD.

I, WESLEY WHITFIELD. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR UNDER OATH. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR UNDER OATH.

THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES. AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER.

OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER. IN THE CITY

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TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT AND ABILITY, SO HELP ME GOD.

CONGRATULATIONS. OFFICER WHITFIELD WILL NOW RECEIVE HIS BADGE.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT TONIGHT, SO, WE'RE GOING TO DO A QUICK PICTURE SAMBA, IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK UP.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS CONCLUDES OUR CEREMONY.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE HOSTING A RECEPTION IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

TO OUR NEWEST OFFICER.

CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WELL, THAT'S THE FUN PART OF OUR JOB. WE NOW

[Consent Agenda]

TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE AS FOLLOWS. MINUTES FROM OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

CLAIMS AND BILLS. APPOINTMENT OF AN ACTING SERGEANT, LIFT STATION 18 CHERRY PLACE. FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT. AN AWARD FOR THAT. THAT'S ITEM 26-018.

500 ORCHARD PARK ROAD.

VARIANCES RESOLUTION 7702.

CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR WOODHILL COUNTRY CLUB AT 200 WOODHILL ROAD. THAT'S RESOLUTION 7700 OR 2055 SPATES AVENUE. THAT'S AH, ALSO A VARIANCE. THAT'S RESOLUTION 7704. AND FINALLY, AN EASEMENT VACATION FOR 2885 SIXTH AVENUE NORTH. THAT'S RESOLUTION 7706. ANY REQUESTS TO REMOVE ANY OF THOSE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE NUMBER SIX PLEASE.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NOT. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL NOW MOVE AHEAD

[Public Comments]

WE'D ASK YOU TO KEEP IT BRIEF BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK UP YOUR EITHER IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE OTHER ITEMS WE'VE GOT ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE ITEMS 6, 9, 10 AND 11. NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. WE WILL GIVE THE APPLICANTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THOSE.

BUT WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR EACH OF THOSE MATTERS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO, IF YOU'VE GOT COMMENTS ON THOSE, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO STEP UP AND SPEAK OUT. SO, PLEASE COME UP TO THE TO THE PODIUM PLEASE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

MY NAME IS BRADLEY MILLER. I LIVE AT 3905 SHORELINE DRIVE.

I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF MY NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST OF ME WHO ARE APPLYING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE FENCE. I'M PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF THE FENCE. I HAVE A ONE-YEAR-OLD SON AND A DOG THAT HELP KEEP MY FAMILY SAFE. SO, JUST WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE YOU IN SUPPORT OF THEM. OKAY, THANK YOU.

OTHERS? YES. LES DELTON, 1535 ORCHARD BEACH PLACE. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 11. 1555 ORCHARD BEACH PLACE. I THOUGHT

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BUT I'M GOING TO THROW MY TWO CENTS IN HERE. I WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE ADDING THE SECOND STORY ON THE BOATHOUSE. OKAY. AND SOME THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT. FIRST OFF, I'VE LIVED AT 1535 ORCHARDS CREEK PLACE FOR 63 YEARS. I'VE BEEN THERE. MY DAD BUILT THE HOUSE HERE. I WAS BORN. I'VE BEEN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I BEEN NEIGHBORS WITH THE FORMER OWNER OF 1555.

THEY OWNED THAT PROPERTY SINCE THE 40S. BUILT HER HOUSE.

PAT JUST DIED A YEAR AGO, ACTUALLY, A YEAR AGO TODAY, I THINK YEAR AGO NEXT, NEXT WEEK. SHE WAS 103. WOW.

AND SO, I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BOATHOUSE.

AND IN THE EARLY 70S, A STORM BLEW A TREE ONTO THE BOATHOUSE AND DAMAGED THE SECOND STORY.

THE WYSOCKIS DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO REPLACE THE SECOND STORY, SO THEY JUST HAD IT DEMOLISHED AND RAILING UP ON IT.

AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY KEPT SAYING IT WAS REMODELED. AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED UP THE DEFINITION OF A REMODEL, BUT IT WAS.

IN MY DEFINITION, IT WAS NOT REMODELED. IT WAS MADE USABLE. BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO REBUILD THE SECOND STORY, THEY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. SO, THEY PUT A RAILING UP SO THEY COULD USE IT. SO, IT WASN'T REALLY REMODELED. I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS REMODELED. THEN THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THERE'S A 12 MONTH.

THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO REBUILD OR REPLACE. AND THEY SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO START A PRECEDENT BY ALLOWING THIS AFTER 50 YEARS. WELL, THE ORDINAL CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SET A PRECEDENCE ON THAT. AT THE END OF OUR ROAD, THE 1565 ORCHARD BEACH PLACE, THERE'S A. I'M GOING TO CALL IT AS AN UNBUILDABLE LOT. THERE'S A HOUSE ON IT. FOR 50 YEARS, THIS WAS AN UNBUILDABLE LOT.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER. SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO. I FOUGHT IT. I FOUGHT IT TOOTH AND NAIL. BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A HOUSE BEING BUILT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, WELL, THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE THERE. WELL, AGAIN, I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1963, ONE YEAR OLD. THERE USED TO BE, I THINK YOU'D CALL IT A CABIN.

AND WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID, THAT CABIN WAS GONE. SO, IF YOU HAVE A 12-MONTH TIME FRAME, HOW CAN YOU SAY, OKAY, THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE THERE, YOU CAN BUILD IT. SO, THE ORIOLE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SET A PRECEDENT. THEY'VE ALLOWED A HOUSE TO BE BUILT WHERE THERE SHOULDN'T BE. SO, I LOVE THIS LAKE. I LOVE THE AREA. I REMEMBER THIS BOATHOUSE WHEN IT WAS STILL TWO STORIES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BROUGHT BACK. WE'RE LOSING OUR HISTORY OF OUR LAKE AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT IT UP, IT'S A NO BRAINER TO REBUILD THE BOATHOUSE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BUT I JUST. WELL THEN THERE'S ALSO TALK ABOUT SIGHT LINES FOR NEIGHBORS. AGAIN, PREVIOUS COUNCIL SET A PRECEDENT. YOU CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND WE'LL SIT ON MY DECK AND WE'LL LOOK AT A THREE-STORY HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT WHEN IT WAS BUILT. I DON'T, I'M, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON BUILDING, BUT ABOUT EVERY, EVERY VARIANCE THAT THERE COULD BE WAS GIVEN TO BUILD THAT HOUSE. SETBACK, HEIGHT, EVERYTHING WAS GIVEN TO BUILD THAT HOUSE. SO, TO ME IT SEEMS AWFUL DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO TURN DOWN SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ADD VALUE TO OUR LAKE ON OUR AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, OTHERS? YEAH.

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THE WALLACH FAMILY IS TWO DOORS DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION.

HE HAD SOME CONCERNS AND WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNOW SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT JAMESTOWN ROAD HAS. WE WOULD BE THE FIRST STREET THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN OLD CRYSTAL BAY ROAD AND JAMESTOWN ROAD WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WOULD BE THE NEW ARENA. THE MAIN CONCERN THAT WE HAVE, THAT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT DISCUSSED THIS IS, IS THE NEW DRIVEWAY THAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED ONTO HIGHWAY 6. I READ THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY DID GIVE APPROVAL TO PUT IN A DRIVEWAY ON SIX FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY. AND ANYBODY WHO HAS CHILDREN AT SCHOOL AT ORONO SAW HOW CHAOTIC THE LAST FEW YEARS OF OLD CRYSTAL BAY ROAD HAS BEEN AND TO EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY, AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE, EVEN IF IT'S FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS. THE LETTER FROM HENNEPIN COUNTY DID NOT EVEN STATE THAT IT HAS TO HAVE A GATE. IT SAID IT WOULD ENCOURAGE A GATE. IF THERE IS ANY CAPABILITY OF CARS BEING ABLE TO DRIVE THERE, DRIVE THROUGH THAT GATE OR DO ANYTHING AT THAT GATE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE COMPLETE AND UTTER CHAOS.

IN THE MORNINGS WHEN PEOPLE GO TO SCHOOL, THEY CAN TURN INTO THAT DRIVEWAY. IF THAT GATE IS BROKEN, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE CHAOS. AT NIGHT, IF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DRIVE BACK THERE, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE CHAOS FOR THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND THERE. I JUST FEEL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE THOUGHT PUT INTO WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY GOES. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN TALK WITH THE EMERGENCY PERSONNEL ABOUT WHAT THE BEST APPROACH WOULD BE FOR THAT.

BUT AS THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND THERE, I JUST AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE THOUGHTFULNESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE TURNED THIS FROM A RESIDENTIAL INTO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT EXTRA ATTENTION TO THE NEIGHBORS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THEY'RE BEING THOUGHTFULLY INCLUDED IN THIS DECISION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OTHERS.

HI, I'M HEIDI COLE FROM 3145 JAMESTOWN ROAD. I'M STACY'S NEIGHBOR. I HAD A FEW MORE THOUGHTS. THEY'RE IN SUPPORT. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE WELLGS AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE PROJECT YET. THE ELLINGSONS. WE USED TO LIVE IN NORTHFIELD, AND WE LIVED JUST NEXT DOOR TO A POOL PARK, WHICH WAS FINE. YOU HEAR KIDS PLAYING AND THIS AND THAT.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

BUT IT ALSO TURNED OUT THAT OUR BACKYARD WAS THE EMERGENCY EXIT FOR THE TEENAGERS THAT WOULD GO SWIMMING AFTER HOURS. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE FENCE FOR OUR YARD DID NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY AND BECAUSE THERE WAS LOTS OF SHRUBS AND STUFF THEY COULD HIDE IN WHEN THE POLICE CAME AFTER THEM. SO, WE FIND DISCARDED CLOTHING AND THIS AND THAT. YOU ALWAYS HOPE THEY DON'T TRIP OVER A KID TOY OR SOMETHING AND HURT THEMSELVES.

BUT I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE A REALLY CLEAR BOUNDARY BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY IN BETWEEN THIS NEW EXPANSION, I GUESS, IS WHAT I WOULD CALL IT.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE LIGHTING REALLY BEEN MINIMIZED IN THEIR DIRECTION BECAUSE WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE WHEN THE POOL PARK WAS FIRST PUT UP.

THEY HAD THE LIGHTS ON UNTIL LATE MIDNIGHT, AND OF COURSE IT SHOWN RIGHT INTO THE BEDROOMS. SO, AFTER WE AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE POINTED IT OUT, THEY TURNED THEM OFF AT LIKE NINE OR SOMETHING WHEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED.

THE OTHER THING I WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IS JUST FROM A PERSONAL INTEREST POINT OF VIEW IS IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH ICE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO STIPULATE SOME TIME WHERE THERE'S LIKE FREE SKATE FOR PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO SKATE AND NOT PLAY HOCKEY? AND THAT COULD BE LIKE AN AFTERNOON ON A WEEKEND OR A WEEKNIGHT, LIKE, SAY FROM 7 TO 9 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I GREW UP WITH THAT DOWN IN ROCHESTER AT GRAHAM MARINA. AND IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. AND THEY DIDN'T ALLOW SORT OF INFORMAL HOCKEY THEN EITHER, BECAUSE THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT. THE OTHER THING LIKE STACY'S MENTIONING IS THAT EMERGENCY EXIT. I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW CONFUSING THAT WOULD BE FOR EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW. WE STILL GET PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN JAMESTOWN, HOPING TO GET ACCESS TO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS DOWN THERE, AND THEN THEY TURN

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THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS THE SPEED ON HIGHWAY 6. AND MAYBE THE CITY CAN WORK WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY TO GET THEM TO DROP THE SPEED LIMIT TO AT LEAST 45. IT IS 55 MILES AN HOUR THROUGH THERE FROM HIGHWAY 12 UP TO OLD CRYSTAL BAY. AND THE POLICE, I THINK, HAVE LOOKED AT AND SAID, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY A BLIND CURVE, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I CAN COME OUT, I CAN LOOK LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, AND THEN TURN OUT, AND SUDDENLY THERE'S A BIG TRUCK BEHIND ME GOING MORE THAN 55, ACTUALLY. IF YOU GO OUT ON SIX, LIKE TO WATERTOWN ROAD, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS HAVE A HIGHWAY SPEED OF 45 OR LESS. AND I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS GOING TO GO UP, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT TOO. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO CHANGE IT UP A BIT. SO, DEAN DUBAIS, 3548 IVY PLACE.

SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, MY WIFE AND I ATTENDED A TOWN HALL FORUM WITH SOME OF THE STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND AFTER THE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD, THERE WAS A SPEAKER THAT TALKED ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS.

OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE'S SPEAKING ABOUT NOW. IT'S KIND OF CAUSING A LOT OF DIVISION AND DEBATE WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND WE WERE QUITE DISHEARTENED TO FIND THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE FLOCK CAMERAS WITHIN THIS CITY OF ORONO'S BOUNDARIES. SO, I'M HERE TO ASK, FOR SOME RESPONSES FROM THIS BODY WITH RESPECT TO, KIND OF EXPLAIN WHY THAT MIGHT BE SOME OTHER TOPICS THAT WE'D LIKE TO JUST ASK FOR YOUR INPUT ON IS HOW DID WE APPROVE THESE.

WERE THESE APPROVED CONTRACTS WITH FLOCK? HOW MUCH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO THAT WHERE IS THE DATA GOING? WHAT ARE THE ANTICIPATED BENEFITS OF HAVING FLAK CAMERAS ON THE CITY'S PROPERTIES? AND IF IT'S DEEMED TO BE APPROPRIATE, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF THE CITIZENS BEING SURVEILLED? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS A SURVEILLANCE PRODUCT.

THIS IS NOT PUBLIC SAFETY.

THIS IS NOT TRAFFIC SURVEILLANCE. RIGHT. TRAFFIC WITHIN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA CANNOT BE ENFORCED BY A PHOTO ENFORCEMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF VERY, VERY RARE INSTANCES THAT CAN'T BE DONE. I MEAN, THE CAMERAS THEMSELVES, I MEAN, IF IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, THE CAMERAS THEMSELVES AREN'T SAFE.

THEY DON'T EVEN CONTAIN THE REQUIRED BREAKAWAY THINGS IF A CAR WERE TO HIT THEM. SO, IT IS SURVEILLANCE THAT IS AN OVERT VIOLATION OF ALL OF OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS. SO, IF THE CITY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING. MR. MAYOR, FOR YOU TO SAY WHY WE'RE DOING IT, HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING, WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF IT, AND WHAT'S THE TENETS OF ALL THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. THIS IS A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD. AM I GOING TO GET A POLICE OFFICER? THIS YOUNG MAN THAT JUST SHOWED UP WONDERING WHY I'M GOING TO STARBUCKS SO FREQUENTLY. IT DOES NOT SEEM APPROPRIATE.

SO, IN CONCLUSION, I'D LEAVE AT A MINIMUM, LIKE TO SEE YOUR LETTER THAT GOES OUT FREQUENTLY TO ADDRESS THAT. WELL, ACTUALLY, YOUR TIMING IS PRETTY GOOD. I JUST MET WITH CHIEF STENSRUD ABOUT THAT TOPIC AN HOUR AGO.

SO, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A, AN ITEM ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE TOMORROW MORNING THAT SORT OF GIVES SOME OF THE FACTS THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT. SO, I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK THAT UP AND IF YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU. YEAH, I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE, AS MY WIFE AND I HAVE DONE, THIS COMPANY, FLOCK, IS CO-OWNED BY THE OWNERS OF PALANTIR, WHO HAVE KNOWN CONTRACTS WITH FEDS AND ALL THIS SURVEILLANCE STUFF, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND YOU MOVED TO ORONO FOR A REASON AND IT'S NOT THE CASE. YEAH.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. ANYBODY

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[6) LA26-000014, Woodhill Country Club, 200 Woodhill Road, Conditional Use Permit - Resolution 7700]

AS IS THE CURRENT CUP BEING ABIDED BY AS IT STANDS, OR ARE THERE ISSUES CURRENTLY WITH ENFORCEMENT? SPEAKING MORE BROADLY TO THE PROJECT THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS COUNTRY CLUB. AND LET ME PUT A LITTLE BACKDROP UP SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THERE WE GO. AND THIS ONE MIGHT BE BETTER. THIS ONE WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER, LITTLE BETTER VISUAL CONTEXT ABOUT WHERE THIS PROJECT IS IN RELATION TO SOME OF THE ROADS. MAINLY WITH SHORELINE DRIVE DOWN HERE AND WOODHILL AVENUE, WHICH WAS SUBJECT TO A PORTION OF THE CUP REQUEST BEFORE. THAT WAS A RELATIVELY LATE ADDITION TO THE PROJECT. THIS WAS INITIALLY APPLIED FOR IN MARCH, ACTUALLY. IT WAS AS A PART OF A LARGER PROJECT THAT WAS ALSO WITHIN THE CITY OF WAYZATA TO INSTALL SOME RESTROOMS IN VARIOUS PLACES AROUND THE GREEN. ULTIMATELY, THEY HAD A REQUEST TO MODIFY THE PARKING LOT, AND THAT WAS A PART OF THE REQUEST AS WELL. AND THIS WAS REALLY TO IMPROVE A LOT OF THE INFORMAL FACILITIES THAT THEY HAVE IN THIS AREA. BACK IN 2022, THEY RECEIVED APPROVAL.

APPROVAL FOR THEIR BARN WHICH IS THIS BUILDING HERE AS WELL.

I DO HAVE THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK THEN TOO. AS TIME GOES ON, WHAT THEY HAD PLANNED FOR PREVIOUSLY EITHER WAS NO LONGER FEASIBLE OR THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND AS PRESENTED IN THEIR APPLICATION, NOTHING WITH THE OPERATION OR THE USAGE OF THE COUNTRY CLUB IS CHANGING NECESSARILY. IT'S MORE OR LESS AN IMPROVEMENT OF, OF THIS SPACE THAT HAS BEEN MORE OR LESS INFORMALLY DESIGNED OVER TIME. IF WE LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW AT A MORE DIRECT AERIAL IMAGE, YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE'S VERY FEW PARKING SPACES THAT ARE STRIPED AND EVEN CALLED OUT. I THINK I COUNTED UPWARDS OF LIKE 52 PARKING SPOTS IN AND AROUND THE LOOPS FOR PARALLEL PARKING PURPOSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THE GOALS OF THE COUNTRY CLUB WERE TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT SAFETY AND THAT ACCESS IN THIS AREA.

KNOWING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THESE INFORMAL FACILITIES AND JUST GENERALLY TO CLEAN UP THE AREA AS WELL.

IF ANYTHING IS NEW, IT'S THE REMOVAL OF THE SOUTHERN ACCESS THAT'S THE CLOSEST TO THE STORM POND AND HAVING A MORE OPEN LAWN NEAR THAT AREA. IN TERMS OF CHANGES, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING I COULD HIGHLIGHT FROM THEIR APPLICATION THAT REALLY STOOD OUT AS DIFFERENT OR A POTENTIAL ACTIVATION. I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS POINT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ANY BEARING ON THAT SECONDARY ACCESS IN TERMS OF ADDING THAT LEVEL OF TRAVEL. IN MY EXPERIENCE, I WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HAVING A SOLID PARKING LOT PAVED WITH STRIPING THAT IS LARGER IN SIZE THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AS PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO PUT PARK EASIER INSTEAD OF PERHAPS DRIVING AROUND OR GETTING LOST WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION.

I THINK THAT IS HOW THE APPLICANT PRESENTED IT AS WELL, THAT TRAFFIC OR ACTIVITY WASN'T SET TO INCREASE, BUT THIS IS MORE OR LESS IMPROVING THIS AREA OVER HERE. OKAY, SO NO INCREASE OF USE. YES, THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING. OKAY.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION? FROM THAT PHOTO THAT YOU HAVE UP RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE THE ROAD GOING UP? YES. THAT'S GOING INTO, IT LOOKS LIKE A SERVICE ROAD.

HOW FAR IS THAT SERVICE ROAD? IS THAT PAVED? AND IS THE

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THAT REQUEST WAS WITHDRAWN EFFECTIVELY BY THE APPLICANT. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION WHICH THAT REMINDS ME. IN TERMS OF THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOW GOING TO BE COMING IN THE FUTURE, THOSE VEHICLES WILL NOT BE PASSING THROUGH THIS ACCESS POINT. IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE BACK END, THROUGH THIS WOOD HILL AVENUE. NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IT THIS FOR MEMBERS ONLY. THE ACCESS IN THE BACK. OKAY. OKAY.

YEAH. AH, IF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SORRY, BUT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD A CONDITION TO RESTRICT THAT ACCESS FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS.

YES. IF WE WANT TO. YES, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE JUDGING FROM THE COMMENTS I HEARD FROM THE FEW NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA. IT SOUNDS AS IF THERE ARE COMMERCIAL USE AT TIMES ACCESSING IT NOW. AND I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE TEMPTING, ESPECIALLY SINCE GOOGLE MAPS LEAD YOU THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE.

THAT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WITH ALL THE CONTRACTORS ARE GOING TO BE STREAMING THROUGH THERE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MATT, AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT AN ALTERNATIVE COURSE MAPPED OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE, THAT'S FINE. OF COURSE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

OKAY. SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT THAT CONDITION IS GOING TO BE WRITTEN IN. ARE THERE HOURS ALSO WITH THIS, THE USE OF THAT GATE AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY? I THINK WHAT I HAVE DOWN FROM THE APPROVED RESOLUTION IS THAT IT IS ONE WAY ACCESS AS AN ENTRANCE ONLY FROM 7AM TO 8PM, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY.

MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 7700 APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SOUTH CAMPUS PARKING PROJECT. SECOND IT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY ONCE. ARE YOU ADDING. WISHING TO ADD THAT CONDITION ABOUT NO CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES? I TOOK THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION.

OKAY. I CAN SAY IT. OKAY. AS WELL. OKAY, I WILL SAY IT.

MAKE THAT CLEAR. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. MOTION TO APPROVE. ADOPT RESOLUTION 7700 APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SOUTH CAMPUS PARKING PROJECT, INCLUDING THE CONDITION ABOUT RESTRICTING ALL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY THROUGH THAT SITE.

THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE. THAT ENTRANCE. YEP. OKAY. IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? THAT'S GREAT. HOW ABOUT A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? JUST SECONDED.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

[9) LA26-000028, 3895 Shoreline Drive, Variances - Resolution 7707]

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NUMBER OF HOMES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE 75-FOOT LAKESHORE AS IT EXTENDS TO AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE SITE PLAN HERE, PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY TOWARDS THE ROAD WITH SOME OF THE HOMES THAT ARE EVEN FURTHER TO THE WEST BEING ALMOST FULLY LOCATED WITHIN THIS ZONE. IN TERMS OF PROPOSED CONDITIONS, THIS IS A GRAPHIC I PREPARED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE AS STAFF WILL USE WHEN FOLKS ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL A FENCE ON THEIR PROPERTY. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF HEIGHT STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE IN DIFFERENT CASES. THIS PROPERTY IS NO DIFFERENT. IN GENERAL FENCES AREN'T ALLOWED WHATSOEVER WITHIN THE SHORE SETBACK ZONE WHICH IS YOUR 75FT WITH THE LAKE. WE ALSO HAVE AN ALLOWANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR UP TO A SIX-FOOT-TALL FENCE WHEN ADJACENT TO A COUNTY ROAD.

IN THE REAR YARD IN THE SIDE YARDS, WE HAVE A 42 LIMIT.

BUT THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THAT REAR YEAH YARD.

BUT JUST FOR THE STANDARD SIDE SETBACK AS YOU CAN SEE ON HERE AS WELL THERE'S A SIX-FOOT LIMIT. SO, ALL OVER ON THIS PROPERTY THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BEING APPLIED.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHERE THE FENCE WAS CONSTRUCTED WAS FULLY WITHIN THAT SHORT SETBACK ZONE WHERE ONLY THOSE IN-KIND REPLACEMENTS ARE PERMITTED. BUT ONE DETAIL I WILL ADD AS WELL IS THAT WE DON'T REQUIRE FENCE PER PERMITS. SO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN ANYWAYS. SO, IN TERMS OF, MY APOLOGIES IN TERMS OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW THE ABILITY OF THE VARIANCE AND THE APPLICATION ITSELF.

TO MEET THE APPROVAL CRITERIA.

STAFF HAD FOUND THAT THE VARIANCE DOES NOT MEET ALL THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL. MEETS SOME BUT NOT ALL. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THESE ARE THE, THE BULLET POINTS THAT BEST SUMMARIZE THE STAFF REPORT PRESENTED. AND REALLY, IT'S A MATTER THAT THE FENCES AREN'T ALLOWED WITHIN THE SHORE SETBACK ZONE ALREADY. AND BECAUSE THERE WAS A FENCE ALREADY THERE, IT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING CONDITION THAT IN REALITY SHOULD NOT BE EXPANDED. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A HEIGHT INCREASE OF AT LEAST TWO FEET THERE.

ADDITIONALLY, AS I SHOWED THE GRAPHIC PREVIOUSLY WITH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT FENCE HEIGHTS THE THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS ABILITY TO PUT A SIX-FOOT-TALL FENCE ALONG SHORELINE DRIVE WHICH FOR THE REASONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED WHY THEY FEEL THE FENCE IS WARRANTED STAFF ULTIMATELY COUNTERS THAT THAT IS A REASONABLE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO ADD FOR SECURITY AND REDUCE SOME OF THE NOISE FROM THE THOROUGHFARE AS WELL.

AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, OTHER PROPERTIES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA HAVE SIMILAR CONSTRAINTS AS THIS PROPERTY AND DON'T HAVE FENCES OF THIS SIZE AND MAGNITUDE WITHIN THE LAKE YARD. BUT I WILL NOTE THAT THERE ARE A FEW FENCES THAT ARE LOCATED AS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS IN THIS AREA.

TO SUMMARIZE AGAIN, THIS IS AN AFTER THE FACT VARIANCE FOR THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK, THE 75-FOOT LAKESHORE AS WELL AS A FENCE HEIGHT. THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED BUT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEARBY NEIGHBORS AS WELL. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE AS I STATED.

AND ADDITIONALLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THEIR REVIEW ON JULY 20 ALSO RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE ON A VOTE OF 6 TO 1. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I HAVE ONE. SO,

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CORRECT. AND WAS THAT HISTORIC AND THEN IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THIS WAS ADDED OR WAS THAT REMOVED AND IMMEDIATELY THIS WENT UP IN ITS PLACE? AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WAS REMOVED AND REPLACED BY THE APPLICANT. I THINK HE COULD FILL IN THE TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAPPENED FAIRLY QUICKLY EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO, THERE WASN'T A PERIOD OF DISCONTINUANCE OF A FENCE BEING LOCATED ALONG THOSE PROPERTY LINES.

OKAY, AND CAN YOU CLARIFY THE POINT AGAIN ABOUT THE PRIVACY OR NOISE REDUCTION FENCING ON THE STREET SIDE? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH. SO, IN THE, IN THE REAR YARD ADJACENT TO COUNTY ROADS, WE ALLOW FOR UP TO SIX-FOOT-TALL FENCES WHERE OTHERWISE WE WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR A 42-INCH FOOT OR 42-INCH FENCE WITHIN THE REAR YARD. SO, THAT EXCEPTION IS APPLIED SPECIFICALLY TO THIS REAR PROPERTY LINE WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO A COUNTY ROAD.

SO, DID THEY PUT FENCE UP NEAR THE COUNTY ROAD THEN OR NOT? NO. NO. THERE'S, THERE'S FENCE ON THE ROAD. NO. YEAH, THERE'S A FENCE ON THE ROAD. OKAY. I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS, SO I'M, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALWAYS THERE.

RIGHT. YOU GUYS HAVE A FENCE ON THE ROAD. OKAY. YEAH. SPEAK TONIGHT. AND PART OF THAT WAS FOR A NOISE REDUCTION AS I FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT WAS A NOISE REDUCTION, A PRIVACY ISSUE BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION AND HOW THEIR LOT IS THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK BY AND LOOK RIGHT DOWN INTO THEIR PROPERTY. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THOUGH THE 42 INCH, BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED THAT IT CAN GO FROM 6 FOOT TO 42 TO 6 FOOT ON THE COUNTY ROADSIDE AND THEN IS THAT, IS THAT A CODE? YES. AND WHY, WHY IS THAT? WHY DOES IT GO FROM 6 FOOT TO 42 TO 6 FOOT? AGAIN? THAT'S HOW OUR REGULATIONS ARE APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY. IT'S IT, IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE 42 INCHES ALL THE WAY ACROSS WITHIN THE REAR YARD IF THIS WASN'T A COUNTY ROAD. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES THE SITUATION. THAT'S THEIR FRONT YARD, ISN'T IT? IT'S TECHNICALLY THE REAR YARD WHEN ADJACENT. SO, THE LAKESIDE IS THEIR FRONT YARD. CORRECT? I SEE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT ALL. I GUESS I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. BECAUSE OF THE PRIOR FENCE, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A 42 INCH OR 4-FOOT FENCE. AND THAT WAS ALONG THE LAKESIDE, WHICH YOU'RE SAYING THEY COULD REPLACE THAT IN KIND? I MEAN WITH A FENCE THAT WAS THE SAME HEIGHT? YES. OKAY. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMISSIBLE. YES.

YEAH. SO, WHAT WE HAVE SHADED HERE IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'VE REPLACED WITHIN THE LAKE YARD THEY COULD REPLACE WITH A 4-FOOT-TALL FENCE IN THIS AREA. NOT 6FT. AND WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE TO DO THAT ALREADY. WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO TELL THE CITY THEY'RE DOING IT. REGARDS TO REPLACING. IN THEORY, YEP.

AND BESIDES DENIAL FOR THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICATION, DID PLANNING HAVE ANY FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? NOT WITH THEIR MOTION. I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT ABOUT POTENTIALLY MEETING THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK, PERHAPS DOING 4FT OR LESS BEYOND THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK.

BUT ALTHOUGH IT WAS DISCUSSED, IT WAS NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION. THE MOTION WAS JUST DENIAL AS APPLIED. AND THE MOTION WASN'T. I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT DID NOT CHANGE THEIR PLAN OR THEY'VE, THEY'VE BROUGHT THIS BACK TO US WITH THE SAME THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

YES. CORRECT. THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE PHOTOS THAT I PLACED AT YOUR SEATS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WERE NEW PHOTOS THAT WERE SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL.

OKAY. SO, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND PROCEDURALLY HERE, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO SAY, WE'LL TAKE THAT DOWN TO FOUR FEET, THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED ON OUR PART? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

RIGHT. YEP. AND THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION BY SOMEONE? BY A ANONYMOUS CODE COMPLAINT.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. I GUESS FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE REAR YARD IN THE FRONT THAT'S ON THE COUNTY ROAD TO HAVE A SIX-FOOT FENCE.

BUT I DO AGREE ON THE LAKE SIDE THAT OFFENSE THAT WAS IN KIND TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WOULD

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THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE AS A CITY ARE NOT WANTING TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION OF HAVING MORE OF THIS TYPE OF FENCING AT THAT HEIGHT BEING INSTALLED AROUND THE LAKESIDE LAKESHORE.

SO, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE THE 42 INCHES. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S ALLOWABLE AS IT IS, BUT I DON'T SUPPORT THE INCREASED HEIGHT. IT JUST DOESN'T. IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH OUR HISTORY OF HOW WE DO THINGS ON THE LAKESIDE. AND AGAIN, AS WE SEE WITH THESE KINDS OF ISSUES, ENABLING THIS TO HAPPEN IN THIS SITUATION IS GOING TO INEVITABLY CREATE MORE OF THE SAME. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT BUSHES OR THE IDEA THAT WE CAN PLANT A VEGETATIVE SCREENING WHETHER IT BE FOUR HEIGHT OR SIX FEET HIGH. THAT IS A DIFFERENT CONDITION BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THEY DON'T HAVE LEAVES ON THEM OFTENTIMES AND WILDLIFE CAN PASS THROUGH THOSE THINGS.

WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THESE BARRIERS ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE LOVE AROUND HERE WHICH IS WILDLIFE AND PATTERNS OF ANIMALS MOVING HERE AND THERE. IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT FENCES KEEP OUT AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP SOME OF THESE AREAS MORE OPEN. AND IT DOES AFFECT THE VIEWS ESPECIALLY IF EACH PERSON WHO MOVED IN HERE WANTED THAT TYPE OF FENCING. SO, I JUST DON'T SUPPORT IT. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE AT 42 INCHES. AND YEAH THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. OTHER, OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

WELL, I WOULD SAY I'D AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER BENSON. THE 42 INCH IN KIND IS YOU KNOW VERY GOING TO THAT 6FT LAKESIDE. YOU CAN, THE PRIVACY ASPECT STILL HAVE AS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBOR THAT THEY LIKE SEEING. YOU KNOW FOUR-FOOT FENCE IS GOING TO BE JUST AS SAFE FOR KIDS AND DOG. IN REGARDS TO THAT. BUT HAVING A SIX-FOOT FENCE PROTRUDING TO THE LAKE, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.

ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU CAN GET A FOUR-FOOT FENCE IN KIND WITHOUT A VARIANCE AND WOULD NOT SUPPORT A VARIANCE FOR A SIX-FOOT FENCE. ARE WE SAYING FOUR FOOT OR 42 INCH? FOUR FOOT. FOUR FOOT. YEAH, YEAH, FOUR FOOT. JUST CLARIFYING. YES PLEASE. YEAH, SORRY WE WEREN'T HERE ON PROCEDURES BUT THANK YOU. I'M KELLY, THIS IS JESSE AND WE'VE BEEN AT THIS HOUSE FOR A LITTLE OVER 10 YEARS AND WHEN WE MOVED IN THE PRIOR OWNERS HAD BEEN THERE ABOUT 30 YEARS AND WERE ACTUALLY MOVING OUT TO GO TO ASSISTED LIVING AND WE'RE HAVING SOME TROUBLE MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY. AND SO, THERE WAS THIS SORT OF VERY OLD DILAPIDATED FENCE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE SHORELINE. AND SO, JUST THIS LAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO FINALLY IMPROVE IT.

AND ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WERE EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF OLD AND UGLY AND WHATEVER.

AND SO, WE HAD TALKED TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND AGREED TO DO THIS. AND ALSO, TO THE WEST, THOSE NEIGHBORS IN THOSE HOUSES ALSO HAVE FENCES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SHORELINE. AND WE TALKED WITH THEM AND WE LIKED THEIR FENCE AND ACTUALLY ASKED THEM LIKE DO WE NEED A PERMIT OR A VARIANCE OR ANYTHING. AND THEY DIDN'T NEED TO. SO, I GUESS THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS I KNOW THIS IS AN AFTER THE FACT AND WE REALLY DID LOOK INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE DOING EVERYTHING PROPERLY AND ARE REALLY BUMMED THAT WE'RE NOW IN THIS POSITION TO HAVE TO POTENTIALLY REDO IT.

BUT I THINK WE FOUND A LOT OF GOOD REASONS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SIX-FOOT FENCE. AND MAYBE I'LL LET YOU JUST SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT TOO.

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HAVE YOU HEARD IN YOUR TIME CONSIDERING THIS? I WOULD SAY SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS OUR NEIGHBORS PUT IN A SIX-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE WE DID.

AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LAKE SHORE. IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS FURTHER. IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THEIR RIPRAP WHERE OURS DOES NOT. AND WE SAW THAT FENCE, WE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT IT AND THEY SAID THIS HAS BEEN WONDERFUL FOR US. IT'S SO MUCH QUIETER, WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE PRIVACY.

AND, AND SO WE ASKED THEM, DID YOU APPLY FOR A VARIANCE? DID YOU APPLY FOR A. NOPE. WE JUST PUT THE FENCE IN. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. AND SO, WE DID GET A COMPLAINT. THE COMPLAINT SAID FENCE RECENTLY WENT IN DOWN TO THE LAKESHORE MAY OBSTRUCT SOMEBODY'S LAKE VIEW. AND SO, WE'VE GOT OUR NEIGHBORS HERE.

WE SUBMITTED LETTERS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. NOBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR LAKEVIEW BEING OBSTRUCTED.

SINCE THEN, IT'S NOW BEEN FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AT THIS POINT HAVE SEEN THE FENCE AND NO OTHER COMPLAINTS. AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE, IS BECAUSE THAT COMPLAINT CAME IN ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL ISSUE THAT MIGHT EXIST. AND SO, WE WENT WITH THE SIX-FOOT FENCE BECAUSE WE HONESTLY, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT OF WHERE THE THINGS WERE. AND WHEN WE TALKED TO OUR NEIGHBORS WHO PUT IN A SIX-FOOT FENCE AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE AT. AND I, I DO WANT TO SAY THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN 2FT BETWEEN THE 4 FOOT AND 6 FOOT IS HUGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THAT PICTURE THERE, THE WAY IT'S SITUATED, ALL OF THAT NOISE. AND I ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC MAP, BUT I'VE GOT COPIES HERE IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT. THE ONLY PART THAT ONLY ROAD IN ORONO THAT RECEIVES MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE PART RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE IS THE EXIT OFF OF HIGHWAY 12, SHORELINE DRIVE, IN FRONT OF WOOD HILL.

WE'RE GETTING FIVE CARS EVERY SECOND ALL DAY LONG. WE CAN'T SIT IN OUR BACKYARD AND TALK.

AND IF IT'S REDUCED TO FOUR FEET, WE LOSE ALL THE BENEFIT OF THAT NOISE REDUCTION. AND SO, WE'VE GOT OUR NEIGHBOR HERE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IF THERE'S WORRY ABOUT VIEW OR WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WE MIGHT HAVE TO ASSUAGE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. I MEAN, WE WOULD REALLY ASK THAT.

WE'RE. I CAN'T I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH OF A RELIEF IT'S BEEN TO HAVE THIS, LIKE, BEING ABLE TO SIT IN OUR BACKYARD AND BE ABLE TO HAVE NORMAL CONVERSATION WITHOUT HAVING TO GO CONSTANTLY SAY WHAT, OR STOP OUR CONVERSATION BECAUSE A BUNCH OF MOTORCYCLES OR TRUCKS ARE DRIVING BY. IT'S TRULY BEEN LIFE CHANGING IN OUR ABILITY TO ENJOY OUR PROPERTY. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. ALSO, IT'S THESE FIVE PROPERTIES HERE. WE'RE NOT WORRIED.

THERE'S NO REALLY SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BUNCH MORE OF THESE COMING IN. BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAS GOT A LOT LIKE OURS RIGHT ON SHORELINE AND WEDGED RIGHT IN THERE LIKE THAT. AND SO, IF SOMEBODY ELSE CAME TO YOU AND SAID, WELL, THEY DID IT, YOU COULD SAY WE DID IT.

BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE SPOT IN OUR CITY. AND THERE AREN'T OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE LIKE THIS. AND THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES RIGHT ALONG THAT LINE THAT ALSO HAVE SIX-FOOT PRIVACY FENCES. SO, IT'S KIND OF A WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER SITUATION WITH RESPECT TO THESE SIX OR SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUPER. AND SO, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I KNOW YOU WILL. I DON'T KNOW THE PROCEDURE IN TERMS OF IF THERE'S A WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THE FENCE HIRED TO LEVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK. I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSED THAT. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN, I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS THAT TOO. I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY HOW THAT WORKS.

BUT I JUST WANT TO. SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO A FOUR-FOOT FENCE TO THE 75 FOOT AND THEN GO UP A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A POSSIBILITY OR. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR LAST POINT. YES, THE FOREFOOT WOULD GO TO THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THAT PICTURE OUR HOUSE IS ACTUALLY. YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, DOTTED LINE.

SO, EVERYTHING LAKEWARD WOULD DROP DOWN TO FOUR FOOT WHICH WOULD BE THE IN-KIND REPLACEMENT WHERE THERE'S NO VARIANCE, NO PERMIT, NOTHING REQUIRED.

BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THE 75FT FROM THE LAKE. IS THAT RIGHT? DOES THAT GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO YOUR HOUSE OR BEYOND MAYBE EVEN. SORRY. THE 75-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE LAKE, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT GO? THAT GOES BASICALLY HALFWAY IN BETWEEN YOUR HOUSE. YEAH. THE EXTENT OF THE RED ON THE MAP.

YEAH, GOT IT. AND SO, THE SIX FOOT AS AN ALTERNATIVE IF

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YEAH. THAT WE CAN KEEP IT TO SIX FOOT TO THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK. WHICH THEN ENSURES OF COURSE THESE CONCERNS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT REALLY AREN'T IN PLAY ANYMORE AT THAT POINT. YEAH, JUST. I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT ON THAT IS AGAIN WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AS IS BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD LOOK TO HAVE IT KIND OF CUT DOWN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

BUT I DID JUST WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER POINT. I TAKE THE POINT OF THE WILDLIFE WANTING TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THAT TOO. WE'VE GOT BIRD FEEDERS. WE'VE GOT THESE BEAUTIFUL LILAC BUSHES THAT ARE ALMOST 8FT TALL NOW THAT WE HAVE BIRDS AND SQUIRRELS AND THINGS LIKE GOING ON A GORGEOUS OAK TREE IN OUR BACKYARD.

BUT WE ARE ALSO COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T IMPEDE THE WILDLIFE AND THE BEAUTY OF THE LAKE. THE PICTURES THAT WE SUBMITTED SINCE THE COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE LAKE AND FROM THE SHERIFF STATION. SO, WE WANTED TO JUST SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES THAT KIND OF INDICATE YOU CAN SEE IT BUT IT'S NOT QUITE. I THINK MAYBE WHAT PEOPLE. WE WANT IT TO LOOK GOOD TOO. WE WANT TO.

TO MAINTAIN A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY FOR US AND FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. IF I CAN ASK YOU, HOW MANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE A SIX-FOOT FENCE TO THE LAKE? I BELIEVE THERE ARE THREE. WOW. THREE OF THE SEVEN THAT ARE RIGHT ON SHORELINE. OKAY. AND ARE THEY ALL IN ORONO OR SOME IN SPRING PARK? I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT NEAR THE BORDER THERE.

YEAH. SO, THEY'RE ALL IN ORONO. ESSENTIALLY THAT WHOLE LINE IS IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE LAUNCH IS. WHOLE LINE OF HOMES THAT GO FROM, OR THAT ARE ON SHORELINE TO DUNWOODY AVENUE ARE ALL IN ORONO. ALL IN ORONO. OKAY. I'VE GOT THE DISTRICT MAP HERE IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT IT IN TRAFFIC, IF THAT'S HELPFUL. I KIND OF KNOW WHERE. WELL, I HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHERE THE BORDER IS, BUT I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS IF ANY OF THOSE HOMES. WE'RE NOT PART OF OUR JURISDICTION. YEAH, YEAH. OUR NEIGHBOR HERE, WE'RE. OKAY. I GUESS I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION OF THIS CITY THEN. NOT THAT YOU WERE TELLING ON YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD ON YOU, BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY. YEAH.

WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE OTHER FENCES THEN? ARE THAT ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. ARE WE GOING TO ASK THOSE NEIGHBORS AS WELL OR IS. BECAUSE NOBODY COMPLAINED.

BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OR WERE THERE SIX-FOOT FENCES THERE TO BEGIN WITH, WE OPERATE OFF OF A COMPLAINT-BASED SYSTEM, SO SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A COMPLAINT. SO, AS LONG SINCE NO ONE'S COMPLAINED, EVEN THOUGH NOW WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS.

CORRECT. IT WOULD INVOLVE LOOKING INTO IT TOO THOUGH. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE FENCES SHOWED UP OR WHAT RIGHTS THEY ENJOYED. I MEAN IF THOSE FENCES WERE INSTALLED ORIGINALLY, WHEN IT WAS A TIME TO BE LEGAL, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE IT. MUCH LIKE WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE TOO. SO, I THINK IN PART WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A NEWLY INSTALLED FENCE THAT SEEMED TO EXPAND UPON WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS THESE OTHER FENCES THAT WE'RE CALLING SIX-FOOT FENCES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS THERE WHEN THEY REPLACED THEM OR PUT THEM IN.

THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACT. AND THEN ONE THING, MATT JUST FOR MY SAKE, WE KEEP CALLING IT A FOUR-FOOT FENCE. IS IT A 40? MAYBE MY MATH IS JUST BAD, BUT IT'S A 42 IN FENCE. IS THAT RIGHT? 48. WE, WE CAME INTO AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS A 48 TALL FENCE. OKAY. THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT HEIGHT. YES. GOT IT. I WOULD JUST SAY THE FENCE THAT WENT IN WITH OUR NEIGHBORS WAS NOT A SIX-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION TO OURS. DO WE KNOW WHEN THE RULES WENT IN FOR CHANGING? NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOK BACK AT YOUR NEIGHBOR, DON'T WORRY. OR MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND COMPLAINS NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. I JUST, IT JUST FEELS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT OH, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S GOT A SIX-FOOT FENCE AND NOTHING HAPPENED AND SOMEBODY TOLD ON YOU AND ONE PERSON AND GOT TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF IT. SO.

YES. HI, COUNCILMEMBER. I BELIEVE. SORRY, THIS IS LOUD.

OUR SHORELAND ORDINANCE WENT IN THE 90S, I BELIEVE IS WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED. AND AT THAT TIME, WE DID SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT FENCING.

SO AT LEAST IN THE 90S BEFORE THAT IT WOULD BE THROUGH OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES, HOW WE REGULATED. SO, IT WOULD TAKE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT EXACT TIMING AND THEN COMPARED TO HISTORICALLY WHAT WE COULD FIND WHEN THESE FENCES WENT IN. IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH AND WORK TO KIND OF DIVE INTO THAT SUBJECT. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I'M. YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. BUT. YEAH, WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, FRANKLY IS IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A RESIDENT DURING PUBLIC

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I HEAR YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT AS MUCH PRIVACY AS YOU CAN IN THAT LOCATION. IT DOES SET A PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EXPAND UPON SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T ALLOW. WE WOULDN'T ALLOW ANY FENCING IN THAT YARD IF IT WAS BRAND NEW AND COMING IN NOW.

AND SO, SO I'M HESITANT TO SAY IT CAN GO TO SIX FEET WHEN IT WAS FOUR.

THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT.

YEAH. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE DOES, THE APPLICANT, OR IF THEY'RE OKAY TO SIT. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH, THIS ONE IS TOUGH FOR ME. AND IT'S ALSO NOT TOUGH BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THIS. SO, THAT'S THE PART THAT'S NOT TOUGH. IT'S NOT EASY TO HEAR THAT. THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS WHICH I DON'T CONDONE AS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER WHO'VE DONE THE SAME THING. AND WE HAVE A COMPLAINT-BASED SYSTEM AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO, UNLESS SOMEBODY PHONES IT IN OR MAKES A COMPLAINT, WHAT WE DON'T DO, UNLESS IT'S CAUGHT IS DRIVE AROUND LOOKING FOR THESE THINGS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY AS A CITY.

HOWEVER, ONCE WE KNOW ABOUT IT YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN BECAUSE IT IS TRUE.

WE DID GET A PUBLIC COMMENT MOMENT AGO. WHY IS THERE A HOUSE NOW OR OTHER FENCING IN THE CITY THAT, THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN POINT TO AND SAY, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? IT'S BECAUSE A BODY OF POLICYMAKERS HAS VOTED THAT VARIANCE IN.

SO, I'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT WITH MY VOTES WHEN IT COMES TO VARIANCES THAT DON'T MEET CRITERIA. AND THIS ONE DOESN'T.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT I TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT UP HERE.

VEGETATION IS SOMETHING THAT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND VEGETATION CAN, CAN HELP WITH SOUND REDUCTION. AND IF THAT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT HERE'S ONE OF THE DIFFICULT PARTS SITTING IN MY CHAIR THAT I'VE HEARD OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN APPLICANTS COME AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DESIRE BUT WE BALANCE THE NEEDS AND THE DESIRES OF AN INDIVIDUAL WITH THOSE OF A COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS A CASE WHERE IN AN INDIVIDUAL, THIS, THIS HOME BECAUSE THE VARIANCES TRAVEL WITH THE PROPERTY, THEY DO NOT TRAVEL WITH THE INDIVIDUAL. SO, IT MAY BE THAT SOMEBODY LIVED THERE BEFORE WHO WAS NOT BOTHERED BY THE SOUND OR AT WORK FOR THEM. AND NOW WE HAVE AN OCCUPANT OF THIS PROPERTY WHO'S NOT IN FAVOR OF THE TRAFFIC, WHICH, WHO WOULD BE. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT THE VARIANCE TRAVELS WITH THE PROPERTY. AND SO, WHEN WE GRANT THAT VARIANCE THAT TRAVELS WITH THE PROPERTY WHEN THIS HOME IS SOLD OR UTILIZED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT FELL DEFENSE AND THAT THAT DECISION ON THE PART OF THIS COUNCIL WILL TRAVEL WITH THE LAND. SO, THAT'S WHERE I BECOME VERY HESITANT TO STRAY FROM STAFF RECOMMENDATION, FROM PLANNING RECOMMENDATION AND TAKE A PERSONALIZED, VERY HYPER PERSONALIZED APPROACH THAT FOLLOWS WITH THE APPLICANT WHO MAKES THIS APPLICATION TO THE CITY. AND THAT'S JUST WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I FEEL FOR THIS AND I WOULD. I'VE SAID MANY TIMES THAT THE CITY OF ORONO HAS INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE PROPERTIES. THIS IS ONE OF THEM THAT, THAT ARE ON TIGHT LOTS THAT ARE ON THE LAKE YARD AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND THEY ALSO SOMETIMES COME WITH, WITH DIFFICULTIES AND WITH CHALLENGES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. AND THE ROAD NOISE IS NOTHING THAT'S INSIGNIFICANT. BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WHETHER IT'S THIS APPLICANT OR OTHERS, IN THE FUTURE, PEOPLE WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE DECIDING TO, TO MOVE INTO A PLACE THAT HAS A BEAUTIFUL LAKE VIEW AND IT'S ALSO ON A VERY HEAVILY USED ROAD.

SO, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC. AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT ALLOWING AND GRANTING THIS VARIANCE IS GOING TO TAKE US IN A DIRECTION OF, OF MORE FOLKS COMING FORWARD AND, AND ASKING HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN.

SO, I JUST, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

ANYBODY ELSE OR ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? SURE. YEAH, COME ON UP TO THE MIC, PLEASE. I GUESS.

WOULD THE COUNCIL'S OPINION BE DIFFERENT IF IT WAS? THE VARIANCE WAS TO KEEP IT TO 6FT TO THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK? AND CAN WE AMEND PROCEDURALLY TO MAKE THAT BE THE REQUEST SO THE FENCE GOES DOWN TO 4FT TO THE SETBACK AND REMAINS AT 6FT TOWARDS SHORELINE.

BECAUSE THAT TRULY MAKES THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE FOR US IN TERMS OF THE REDUCTION.

VEGETATION DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.

WE'VE HAD VEGETATION THERE SINCE THE DAY WE MOVED IN. AND SO, IT GOES FROM US BEING ABLE TO ENJOY OUR PROPERTY TO AGAIN HAVING TO GO INSIDE WHEN THERE'S TRAFFIC.

AND IT'S TRULY HUGE. I MEAN, I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH.

AND IF WE CAN KEEP THAT SIX FOOT TO THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK WITH HOW UNIQUE THIS PROPERTY IS, IT WOULD REALLY MEAN THE WORLD

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AND SO, I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR HOW THAT WORKS. I'LL SAY THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GRANTING SOMETHING ABOVE WHAT WE CURRENTLY ALLOW WITH CODE AT THIS LOCATION.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT. I'D HAVE TO AGREE. IT'S JUST I, I, I FEEL FOR YOU, I REALLY DO. I ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY JUST A QUARTER MILE FROM YOU ON SUNSET. AND I, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH NOISE AND STUFF, BUT I TOO HAVE A FENCE THAT DROPS TO FOUR FOOT AND THAT GOES TO THE LAKE. SO, IT'S SIX FOOT IN THE FRONT AND THEN DROPS TO FOUR THE REST OF THE WAY.

SO, THAT LIKE I SAID, I FEEL FOR YOU BECAUSE I'M IN THE SAME BOAT, BUT I DID OUR FENCES ARE FOUR FOOT TO THE LAKE. SO, WE DO HAVE, I MEAN THE GATE THAT'S THERE IS THAT SIX FOOT. THAT'S YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE THERE, THAT'S STREET SIDE. IT'S WITHIN THE 75FT BUT IT'S 20FT FURTHER BACK FROM THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK.

SO, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FROM PEOPLE WALKING SHORELINE BEING ABLE TO SEE DIRECTLY INTO OUR BACKYARD VERSUS THAT GATE BEING THERE SO THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT. I MEAN IT TRULY IS LIKE ALL OF THE NOISE, ALL OF THE PRIVACY GETS BLOCKED BY THAT LOOK LITTLE PART THAT IS RIGHT THERE. AND IF WE CAN KEEP THAT, THAT'S HUGE FOR US.

THAT'S MASSIVE DIFFERENCE. CAN YOU SHOW US WHICH PART IS? OR CAN IF MATT CAN SHOW IT OR.

SO, RIGHT HERE IS THE GATE FROM SHORELINE. SO, EVEN IF MATT LIKE RIGHT HERE THERE'S LIKE ONE SECTION AND THE GATE AND ONE SECTION THERE GIVES US ALL THAT PRIVACY FROM SHORELINE. AND IT'S GOING TO DO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE NOISE REDUCTION. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S HUGE FOR US. HERE'S, HERE'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT.

AGAIN, IT'S A VERY PERSONALIZED APPROACH TO WHAT WE DO WITH ZONING IN OUR CITY. AND MY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D SAY IS THAT THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN OCCUPIED, I BELIEVE YOU SAID BY 10 YEARS.

OKAY. AND THAT'S A PROPERTY THAT, THAT BUYING ON A ROAD LIKE THAT, YOU UNDERSTAND THERE'S ROAD NOISE. SO, SOME OF, SOME OF THE, THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION HERE IS THAT WHEN THERE'S A CHOICE MADE TO OWN A CERTAIN PROPERTY AND WE, WE DO SEE THIS QUITE A LOT.

FOLKS NEEDING A VARIANCE FOR SETBACKS OR NOT REALIZING THAT THEIR BUILDING ENVELOPE WAS SHORTER THAN THEY IMAGINED IT TO. WE DO SEE THESE QUITE A LOT. THIS IS A CASE IN, IN MY ESTIMATION OF PURCHASING A PROPERTY THAT IS ON A ROADWAY. AND AGAIN, THAT SIX-FOOT FENCE CAN BE THERE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE OTHER ROLES, PART OF THIS IS THE NATURE OF LIVING IN A CITY THAT HAS SOME, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY RESTRICTIVE.

WE DO HAVE RULES AROUND FENCING ON THE LAKESHORE. SO, AGAIN I'M JUST, I'M, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A POSITION THAT I PERSONALLY WANT TO BE IN OF MANEUVERING AROUND OUR RULES IN THIS CASE BECAUSE AGAIN THOSE VARIANCES TRAVEL WITH THE PROPERTY. AND I DON'T WANT, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO USE MY VOTE TO SET A PRECEDENT ABOUT MANEUVERING IN THIS WAY ON THIS APPLICATION.

BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. I APPRECIATE IT. I DO UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT. AND I WILL SAY THE TRAFFIC IS, HAS INCREASED BY AT LEAST 25%. IT'S PROJECTED TO INCREASE BY A FURTHER 15%. AND THAT'S FROM THE CITY'S TRAFFIC STUDY.

LIKE THIS JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE PICTURE OF THE CITY WORKS FACILITY AND THE TRUCKS THAT ARE LINED UP THERE. THIS IS REALLY UNIQUE. AND WHAT IS THE VARIANCE PROCESS FOR. BUT FOR TO HELP PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY TO COME TO THE COUNCIL WITH UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, THAT THE RULES DON'T COVER.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROCESS IS FOR, IS SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN LOOK AT UNIQUE SITUATIONS AND APPLY WHAT THE LAW SAYS ABOUT THAT AND HOW THOSE FACTORS IMPACT SHOULD BE REVIEWED. AND WE AS A COUNCIL ALSO LISTEN TO OUR STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

THESE CASES, BOTH STAFF AND PLANNING, HAVING HEARD AND SEEN, WHICH WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN OFFERED HERE ARE IN AGREEMENT. SO, CAN I ASK ONE THING THOUGH, I UNDERSTAND THE FENCING ON THE SIDES AND THAT HAS TO GO TO 42FT.

BUT WHEN HE'S ASKING FOR THE GATES FOR THE

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YEAH. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD. DOES THAT FALL INTO IT? DOES THAT COUNT AS PART OF THE FENCE GOING TO THE. OR DOES THAT.

SINCE THEY'RE GATES ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IS THAT A DIFFERENT QUALIFIER? I THINK WE WOULD STILL CONSIDER IT A FENCE. SO, CAN. OKAY.

IT'S ALL WITHIN THE 75 FOOTS UP BACK. OKAY. WHEN AND WHEN I TALK WITH MR. KARNEY AND A LOT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS CONVERSATION AROUND THIS WAS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW FENCES IN THIS AREA. AND SO, I THINK THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE REGULATIONS ALLOW AND WHAT THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO DO. AND YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SAVE THE COUNCIL'S TIME BY GOING THROUGH EACH OF THE FACTORS.

BUT WE REALLY DO MEET EACH OF THOSE FACTORS AND THAT'S WITHIN THE SUBMISSIONS THAT WE MADE THAT EACH OF THOSE PRACTICAL FACTORS ARE MET. AND THAT'S WHAT A VARIANCE APPLICATION. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THAT THIS IS UNIQUE WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROPERTY AND WHY THE REGULATIONS DON'T WORK FOR THIS UNIQUE PROPERTY. AND IT DOES RUN WITH THE PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE. THE TRAFFIC IS NEVER GOING TO GET BETTER. IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. AND SO, REALLY PLEADING TO THE COUNCIL HERE TO ALLOW US JUST THE BARE MODICUM, LIKE BARE MINIMUM OF PEACE THAT WE CAN GET BY ALLOWING THAT LITTLE PORTION RIGHT AROUND THE HOUSE TO BE AT 6FT. IF YOU WERE TO PUT THAT LITTLE PORTION FARTHER UP IN YOUR HOUSE OUTSIDE THE 75-FOOT SETBACK, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO AND THEN TAKE FOUR FEET THE REST OF THE WAY? BECAUSE IT RIGHT.

IS THAT ALLOWABLE IF THEY PUT THERE THE GATE PARTS FARTHER UP IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THAT REALLY TIES INTO THE GRAPHIC HERE THAT WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ALLOWANCES HERE. ON THIS SIDE YOU COULD DO SIX FEET, BUT ON THIS SIDE YOU COULD NOT.

UNLESS THERE WAS INDICATION THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS 6-FOOT-TALL FENCE IN THAT LOCATION, EVEN IF IT WAS IN THE, THE GREEN AREA IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY. YEP. UNLESS IT'S DIRECTLY ALONG SHORELINE, IT MUST BE 42 INCHES WITHIN THE REAR YARD. OH.

BECAUSE WE'RE BACK IN THE REAR YARD. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING ABOUT THE 75-FOOT SETBACK VERSUS THESE SETBACKS AND THE, THE UNIQUENESS OF THESE PROPERTIES. SO, IF IT WERE TO ADHERE TO ALL THESE SETBACKS, IT'S.

YOU CAN'T BUILD ON 75FT GOING FROM LAKESHORE AND FROM THE COUNTY ROAD IF YOU HAVE BUILT.

SO, IT'S REALLY AN UNBELIEVABLE LOT. THERE WOULD BE NO HOME THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE THERE IN TODAY'S STANDARDS. RIGHT.

AND WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO TEAR DOWN YOUR HOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST WE'RE APPLYING THE RULES AS THEY EXIST TODAY TO THAT LOT. AND I STILL HAVE A TOUGH TIME SAYING THAT WE CAN EXPAND UPON WHAT WAS THERE AS UNALLOWABLE USE OF THAT PROPERTY. IS THAT NOT WHAT THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS FOR, IS TO LOOK AT UNIQUE? OH, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. I GUESS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THEN. IF THE IDEA IS TO JUST APPLY WHAT THE LAW IS, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE VARIANCE PROCESS? I MEAN WE PAID THE CITY $1,100 TO COME HERE, THE CITY TO TELL US THIS IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE VARIANCE PROCESS WAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A VARIATION FROM WHAT THE LAW SAYS. SO, I'M A LITTLE LOST THEN. WELL, AND I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HEARING FROM STAFF AND HEARING IN FEEDBACK HERE IS THAT THAT YOU HAD THE RIGHT BECAUSE THAT FENCE WAS THERE, TO BUILD A LIKE FENCE AND GOING BEYOND THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE THAT EITHER THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOR THE STAFF WAS IN FAVOR OF. ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE TO DECIDE OBVIOUSLY, BUT. AND I UNDERSTAND, I DO. I GET WHY THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU AND I GET WHY YOU'RE HERE TODAY ASKING US FOR THIS. I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US EXPAND FENCING THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD A ONE-FOOT FENCE IF YOU WERE BUILDING IT FROM SCRATCH.

TODAY WE'RE TELLING YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU, YOU CAN DO IT UP TO 4FT OR WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TOLD YOU CAN DO IT UP TO 4FT BECAUSE YOU HAD A 4FT 4-FOOT PEN THERE. NOT BECAUSE,

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YOU CAN'T SEE IT. AND SO, THE PURPOSE OF LAKESHORE SETBACK IS TO APPLY TO ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN ORONO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YOU GOT TO DO IT CITYWIDE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. AND SO, I'M PLEADING WITH THE COUNCIL THAT THE SOUND REDUCTION OF PRIVACY WE GET FROM JUST HAVING THAT LITTLE PORTION IS LIFE CHANGING FOR US IN TERMS OF OUR ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY. SO, TRULY BEGGING THE COUNCIL TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I CAN'T.

IT'S NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE FROM US BEING ABLE TO ENJOY OUR PROPERTY.

UNDERSTOOD. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I WILL SECOND IT.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY

[10) LA26-000020, 795 Old Crystal Bay Road North, Site Plan Review and Variances - Resolution 7701]

THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT ORONO HOCKEY ASSOCIATION REQUESTS, PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 48,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THEIR EXISTING ARENA FACILITY. THIS WILL CONTAIN A NEW 800 SEAT RINK NEW VARSITY LOCKER ROOMS AND HOCKEY TRAINING SPACE, AMONG OTHER USEFUL SPACES. NEW PARKING AREAS WILL BE CREATED ON SITE AND THE AVAILABLE PARKING TO SERVE THE ARENA WILL BE EXPANDED THROUGH THE EXISTING SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE SITE PLAN REVIEW ALSO REQUIRES VARIANCES FOR HARD COVER, BUILDING HEIGHT, SIGNAGE, PARKING AND A PARKING LOT SETBACK. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 15 WHERE THEY RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENT AND DISCUSSED THE APPLICATION AT LENGTH. THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY VOTED 7 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL EXCEPT FOR THE REQUESTED VARIANCE FOR PARKING WITHIN 10FT OF THE WESTERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH THEY DENIED. THE COMMISSION FURTHER RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A TRAFFIC AND PARKING ANALYSIS, AMEND THE LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPE PLANS TO ELIMINATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THEY RECOMMENDED ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND OR FENCING ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND WANTED ASSURANCE THAT THE LIGHTING WOULD NOT SPILL OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. THE COMMISSION ACCEPTED WRITTEN AND IN PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THE MEETING. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, THE APPLICANT REVISED THE PLANS. BASED ON THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED. AN UPDATED SITE PLAN ANALYSIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AS EXHIBIT L. THE REVISED PLANS REFLECT AN EMERGENCY ACCESS EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD 6 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND AN EMERGENCY DRIVE AISLE. THE REVIEW FROM EMERGENCY SERVICES RECOMMENDED GATING BOTH ENDS OF THE EMERGENCY ACCESS WITH THE STANDARD ACCESSIBLE KNOCK BOX OR LOCKED ENTRANCE. THE APPLICANT REMOVED A PROPOSED TRASH ENCLOSURE THAT WAS UP IN THIS LOCATION THAT WAS NEW THE MAJORITY OF THE WESTERN PARKING SPACES AND ASSOCIATED LIGHT POLES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WESTERN LOT LINE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE NINE SPACES HERE THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 300FT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW TWO-WAY DRIVE AISLE TO CONNECT THE SIDE WITH SIDEWALK TO CONNECT THE ARENA PARKING TO

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STAFF FURTHER FINDS THAT THE REQUESTED VARIANTS ARE THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED EXPANSION AND WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, PROVIDED APPROPRIATE BUFFERING, LIGHTING CONTROLS AND OPERATIONAL SAFEGUARDS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROJECT. ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS WERE SUBMITTED AND THEY ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND ASSOCIATED VARIANCES FOR BUILDING HEIGHT, HARDCOVER SIGNAGE, PARKING SETBACK, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL NOTED IN THE PACKET. THE COUNCIL SHOULD REVIEW THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND CONSIDER A MOTION TO ADOPT THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION TONIGHT. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I HAVE ALL THE EXHIBITS FOR THE PROJECT THAT I CAN BRING UP ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. CURTIS. JUST BASED ON ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A GATE ON EACH SIDE OF. RECOMMENDED THAT BOTH SIDES WOULD BE GATED, BOTH ACCESSES ON THIS ROADWAY, THE EMERGENCY DRIVE BE GATED.

AND THAT IS PART OF THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT. THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. OH, I SEE.

THANK YOU. AND I GUESS TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE BY ONE OF OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF WE DID GATE THAT, WOULD IT BE WIDE ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GET AROUND IT WITH A VEHICLE? IT WOULD BE CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. YES, THAT GATE WOULD BE. IT WOULD SHUT THAT ENTRANCE OFF. OKAY.

BUT IT WOULD BE. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOADING ZONE BEHIND THERE. SO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT BOTH FOR SAFETY AND FOR LOADING.

TO HAVE THAT STRIP OF ROAD THERE. I GUESS IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF BEING EFFECTIVE, BEING ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY KEEP TRAFFIC FROM GOING AROUND ANY GATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GATE ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED WOULD COMPLETELY CLOSE OFF THE ENTRANCE AND WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR ONE TO BE PUT ON THE SOUTHERN END. THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO IT MORE SPECIFICALLY. BUT I BELIEVE THAT LOADING ZONE, IT MAY BE FOR OTHER PURPOSES, BUT THAT IS THE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE ARENA, THE ICE ITSELF FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. OH, GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE USED CONSTANTLY? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO. AND YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TONIGHT. OKAY.

THE FACT IS, IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S SERIOUSLY INJURED TO EXPECT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO COME AROUND, GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE FACILITY TO THAT END OF IT. I CAN SEE SOME REAL SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THAT. AND CAN YOU POINT OUT EXACTLY WHERE ALL THE NEW PARKING IS GOING TO BE LOCATED? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S AN EXISTING LOT NOW ALONG WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT THE NEW PARKING IS TO THE SOUTH. THIS WHOLE ENTIRE LOT IS NEWLY PURCHASED. SO, ALL OF THIS IS NEW. OKAY. AND CAN WE SEE THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FOLKS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER ON JAMESTOWN ROAD? I CAN BRING UP FROM AN AERIAL SHOT JUST TO SEE BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S ISSUES WITH LIGHTING POTENTIALLY AND WITH OTHER THINGS AND I JUST WANT TO GET A SENSE OF. YEAH, I'LL BRING UP THESE HERE. I CAN GET ONE QUICKLY. HERE ARE THE LIGHTING FIXTURES INDICATED ON THIS PLAN. OR COULD YOU POINT THOSE OUT IF THEY ARE. THERE, THERE IS A LIGHTING PLAN AND I CAN PULL THAT UP. CERTAINLY. THEY DID. THEY DO HAVE ONE POLE ON THAT, THAT SIDE. BUT ALL OF THE FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE ARE ZERO. THE.

AND ALSO, IS THERE AN ELEVATION MAP OF THE BUILDING? BECAUSE THE EXISTING. WELL, THE ADDITIONAL RINK IS HIGHER. RIGHT. ARE THEY GOING TO BUILD TO TAKE THAT HILL LAND DOWN THE HILL DOWN? AND SO, THAT BOTH THE. I GUESS I'M ASKING HER ABOUT THE ARENA IS GOING TO BE LEVEL. THEN I CAN PUT UP THE BUILDING ELEVATION SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE FROM THE SCHOOL VIEW WHAT THE, BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS HOUSE WAS ON THE HILL. HIGHER THAN THAT.

IT IS HIGHER INITIALLY. IT IS STILL HIGHER. OKAY. YEP. AND INITIALLY THEIR PLAN INITIALLY

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BUT NOW THEIR PARKING LOT WILL BE LEVELED AND THERE'S FULL CONNECTION. SO, THE BUILDING.

THERE'S A RAMP, SIDEWALK RAMP THAT GOES UP.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN BETTER DESCRIBE THE CHANGES TO THE SITE. BUT THEY'VE NOW MADE THIS SO THEY, SO THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE PARKING IN THIS AREA. AND LEVEL THE DRIVE.

OKAY. BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE UP ON THE HILL. THE BUILDING WILL BE, IT IS A DIFFERENT HEIGHT BECAUSE THE BUILDING WILL BE UP ON THE HILL. YES. AND WHERE THEY HAVE TO CONNECT IT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEZZANINE AREA. AND THEN THE. JUST THE PHYSICAL CONNECTION OF THE SPACES TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. SO, CAN WE SEE THAT AERIAL AGAIN OF JAMESTOWN AERIAL PHOTO? YEAH, YEAH. AND TO JUST POINT OUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF COUNCIL, WHERE THE CONCERNS ARE WITH NEIGHBORS REGARDING THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS NEIGHBOR PROVIDED A PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIS NEIGHBOR PROVIDED A PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW AND LIGHTING.

THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO NEIGHBORS BESIDES THE INDIVIDUALS HERE TONIGHT THAT I RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM. OKAY. OKAY.

THEIR COMMENTS ARE IN THE PACKET. THE NEW COMMENT.

OKAY, THANK YOU. PERHAPS WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE? WANT TO WALK US THROUGH THE PROPOSAL? THANK YOU, MAYOR. LAST TIME I STOOD HERE MELANIE HAD A WONDERFUL SLIDESHOW FOR ME. AND TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT. SO, DO YOU WANT YOUR SLIDE SHOW? I CAN PROBABLY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

DO YOU WANT TO JUST HEAR. JUST SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR A LITTLE BIT REGARDING THE HEART OF THIS PROJECT TO OUR COMMUNITY? I CAN DO IT WITHOUT IT TOO. YEAH, I CAN TRY. I JUST NEED TO, SO, IT'S REALLY AN HONOR TO BE HERE TONIGHT. I HAVE WORKED PERSONALLY ON THIS PROJECT FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE, NOT ONLY TO HOCKEY IN MINNESOTA, BUT HOCKEY IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT BEING SAID, THAT IF YOU PLAY THE SPORT OF HOCKEY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, IT IS A PAY TO PLAY SPORT. SO, IT IS COACHES THAT ARE GETTING PAID 50, 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

THERE'S NO COMMUNITY HOCKEY.

THERE'S NO BANTAM C, THERE'S NO JUNIOR GOLD. YOU'RE MAKING TEAMS WITH THE BEST PLAYERS THERE ARE OUT THERE. AND YOU'RE TRAVELING ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PLAY HERE IN MINNESOTA, SASKATCHEWAN, AND RIGHT OUTSIDE OF MINNESOTA, IN WISCONSIN AND NORTH DAKOTA. WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY-BASED MODEL.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITIES IN MINNESOTA ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE FOR OUR PLAYERS, BUT ALSO, YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A HUGE INITIATIVE, EVEN DOWN TO THE MINNESOTA WILD, PRESERVING THIS SENSE OF COMMUNITY HOCKEY AND NOT GOING TO THE PAY TO PLAY METHOD. WE'RE UNIQUE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE A NONPROFIT PROVIDING THIS TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR TAX DOLLARS.

THERE'S NO BOND GOING OUT.

THERE'S NO INCREASED SALES TAX.

THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE MADE POSSIBLE BY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WILLING TO WRITE A CHECK TO MAKE IT FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, THERE'S SEVEN NONPROFIT RINKS THAT ARE IN OUR SITUATION IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF MINNESOTA. SO, YOU TAKE THIS BROAD COUNTRY, YOU COME DOWN TO HOW UNIQUE WE ARE IN MINNESOTA. INSIDE OF THAT THERE'S SEVEN THAT ARE NONPROFIT. OUR PLAYERS SKATE ON THREE OF THOSE OUT OF THE SEVEN WHICH ARE POND, THALER AND MORRISON. OUT OF ALL OF THOSE, POND AND THALER HAVING THE FUNDING OF THE THALER FAMILY, MORRISON AND ANOKA, ONLY TWO RINKS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ARE TRULY HAVE BEEN BUILT AND ARE TRULY FUNDED STRICTLY JUST THROUGH PRIVATE DONATIONS.

SO, YOU CAN SEE HOW UNIQUE WE ARE. TODAY, WE'RE SKATING 625 SKATERS ON THE SHEET OF ICE AT MORRISON AND USING 50% OF POND, OUR PLAYERS ARE SKATING FROM 6 O' CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHICH IS A WAKE-UP TIME. AND THEY'RE SKATING UNTIL 10, AT NIGHT, GOING TO BED AT, TRYING TO GET UP FOR HIGH SCHOOL CLASSES. THIS HAS CREATED AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MISSED SCHOOL IN THE MORNING AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. AND I CAN TESTIFY AS I'VE HAD PLAYERS DOING THIS OVER THE PAST YEAR YEARS. SO, WE'VE ALSO GROWN BY 30%

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AND WHEN I LOOK AT HOCKEY IN ORONO, I DON'T SEE IT AS ANOTHER SPORT. I LOOK AT THIS AS, AND I KNOW IT PERSONALLY, IT'S 40 DEGREES BELOW ZERO AND IT'S DARK AT FIVE O' CLOCK AND IT'S A COLD WEEKEND DAY. AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE RINK AND SEE ANOTHER MOM AND DRINK A CUP OF COFFEE AND GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE OR LET THE LITTLE KIDS RUN AROUND IN THE LOBBY PLAYING WITH THEIR FRIENDS. DAD'S ON THE ICE AND IT BECOMES A COMMUNITY EFFORT. AND THAT IS WHY OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WE'VE WORKED SO HARD TO ACQUIRE THE PIECE OF LAND NEXT TO OUR CURRENT RINK IS THE FACT THAT WE WANT TWO TEAMS GOING IN, TWO TEAMS GOING OUT AND WE WANT IT ALL IN ONE LOCATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE WE STAND HERE TONIGHT AND WE LOOK AT OTHER RANKS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT.

YOU CAN LOOK AT BLOOMINGTON BUILT IN YOU ICE ARENA 37 MILLION IN BUR GROVE HEIGHTS, 70 MILLION EDINA 45 AND EVEN DELANO. A 6-MILLION-DOLLAR OUTDOOR RINK ALL FUNDED BY A TAX INCREASE TO THE COMMUNITY. SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING ANY MEMBER HERE THAT DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE FREELY TO PAY TAXES FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO, WE HAVE ZERO STATE BONDING, ZERO SALES TAX, AND SINCE JANUARY, WE'VE RAISED OVER $13 MILLION TOWARDS THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNHEARD OF.

SO, TONIGHT, I THINK, ALYSSA, YOU SAID IT BEST, THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE TO BALANCE COMMUNITY AND INDIVIDUAL NEED. AND THIS IS TRULY A COMMUNITY NEED. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A COMMITMENT FROM A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS FUNDRAISING AND BUILDING AND DONATING THEIR TIME, NOT FOR THE THREE YEARS WE'VE ALREADY PUT INTO IT, BUT FOR THE FOUR, WHATEVER YEARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD TO DO THIS. SO, I ASK EACH OF YOU TONIGHT, AS COUNCILMEMBERS, THIS IS REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY, THE SAYING THE YES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND DOING YOUR PART FOR IT. AND SO, THAT'S MY HOCKEY SPIEL. AND I LOVE THIS QUOTE. I CAN ONLY READ THE BOTTOM HALF BECAUSE IF I START AT THE BEGINNING, I'LL CRY.

BUT THIS IS A MOTHER OF FIVE THAT HAVE ALL PLAYED HOCKEY, AND SHE SAYS SHE'S REFERENCING THE RINK, AND SHE SAYS IT'S WHERE THEY GO TO GET AWAY, TO DREAM AND TO CONNECT. OUR RINK IS WHERE THEY LEARN TO PLAY, WHERE THEY LEARN TO SERVE, AND WHERE THEY LEARN TO LOVE.

LOVE THE SMELL OF ICE, LOVE THE GAME AND LOVE THEIR PEOPLE.

THE RINK IS WHERE WE COME TOGETHER AS A FAMILY AND A COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THERE'S PARTS OF IT THAT WILL TOUCH OUR COMMUNITY BEYOND HOCKEY, WITH A DRY LAND FACILITY THAT OUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM CAN USE AND COME IN AND TRAIN. SO, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF A COMMUNITY. A BOARDROOM WHERE PEOPLE CAN MEET AND THROW BIRTHDAY PARTIES. IT'S GOING TO GO BEYOND THE HOCKEY.

COMMUNITY. SO, AS I STEP AWAY, AND I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO COME BACK UP HERE THE PICTURES ARE. THEY GET ME, BECAUSE IT'S ALL THERE.

SMILES. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IN THAT I HEARD TONIGHT, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE COUNCIL. AND THAT IS A GATE ON BOTH ENDS OF THIS ROAD. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DECISION HAS TO BE MADE TONIGHT OR NOT, BUT I HAVE SAT IN A RINK AS RECENT AS LAST YEAR WHERE I WATCHED A CHILD ON THE ICE NOT MOVING AND WONDERING IF HE WAS BREATHING. AND I WATCHED THAT AMBULANCE HAD TO COME IN THAT LOADING DOCK AND PICK THAT CHILD UP ON A STRETCHER AND PUT HIM IN THE AMBULANCE. AND I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE GATED, BUT THAT GATE'S GOING TO REQUIRE A KEY OR A PASSCODE OR SOMETHING. TO GET IN. AND I WOULD NOT WANT ANOTHER SECOND THAT THAT CHILD NEEDS A LIFESAVING TO HINDER THAT AMBULANCE TO GET INTO THAT BACK GATE.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND IF EMERGENCY SAYS IT HAS TO HAVE TWO, THAT'S FINE. BUT I JUST, I JUST ASK THAT WE REALLY CONSIDER HOW IMPORTANT THOSE SECONDS ARE WHEN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE AN AMBULANCE THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO DRIVE RIGHT ON AND ON THAT ICE TO THAT PLAYER. SO, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. JUST SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE CONDITIONS, THE OTHER

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BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE OPTIONALS TO THE PROJECT. NO TO NUMBER ONE, IT'S FINE.

NUMBER TWO MY QUESTION IS DO WE NEED BOTH GATES AND IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN EMERGENCY SITUATION? I QUESTION THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, A KNOX BOX, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY OPENED WHEN AN EMERGENCY. NO, THEY HAVE TO GET A CODE OR A KEY OR.

YEAH, THAT'S THE OMICRON LIGHTING. OKAY. LIKE THE STOPLIGHTS. WHAT'S THAT? IT'S LIKE WHAT THEY DO AT THE STOPLIGHTS. THERE'S A LIGHT. SO, THERE'S A LIGHT METHOD THAT CAN BE USED.

BUT YEAH, ALL THE GATES IN THE CITY NEED A KNOCKED BOX.

SO. OKAY. PRETTY COMMON THAT THERE'S A COMMON KEY IN THERE WITH A CODE. THAT'S THE SCHOOL ALREADY HAS OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS FOBS WHERE THEY CAN GET IN AND AROUND IN THE SCHOOL, JUST PASS A FOB. I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON HOW AND WHAT IS THE MOST AMENABLE OPTION.

BUT WELL, THERE IS THE GATE.

THE SAFETY GATE ON HIGHWAY 12 IN LONG LAKE IS SOMETHING THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY LIFTED WHEN AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE APPROACHES.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT HERE BECAUSE IT WOULD CUT POTENTIALLY SECONDS OFF. I DON'T KNOW. CHIEF STENSRUD'S LETTER IN OUR COMMENTS SPOKE TO THIS. YEAH, I THINK IT'S DOABLE WHETHER IT'S A KEYPAD OR OTHER TYPE OF. HE DID COMMENT ON THAT ALONG WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. SO, IT IS A 10 WIDE, 10-FOOT-WIDE SPACE, JUST SO WE KNOW. YES, WATERSHED. I BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM BETTER THAN ME TO TALK TO THIS.

BUT WATERSHED, WE ARE MEETING WITH AUGUST 20TH. WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THEM TO MEET ALL WATERSHED REQUIREMENTS.

EXTERIOR LIGHTING HAS BEEN REEVALUATED, AS MELANIE SAID, TO HAVE ZERO CANDLES ALONG THE LINE. ALL SIGNAGE SHALL BE BACKLIT. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO QUALIFY. IS THAT LIKE A METAL. WITH A BACKLIGHT BEHIND IT. COULD IT ALSO BE GLOWING? THAT'S WHAT WAS PROPOSED. OKAY. BACKLIT WITH THE WORDS.

WITH THE LIGHT JUST BEHIND THE WORDS. JUST BEHIND THE WORDS. YEAH. A VERY DIM GLOW ON SOME OF THE LIGHTS WOULD BE VERY NICE, TOO, THAT DON'T EXTEND OR CAUSE LIGHT PROBLEMS. THE SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP RECENTLY THAT WE ARE UNAWARE OF, THAT WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. BUT WE, AS WITH MY FUNDRAISING HAT ON, I STAND HERE TONIGHT TELLING YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FULLY ENTAILS. AND THAT HAS BEEN CONVERSATIONS IN OUR DISCUSSION. SO, THAT'S JUST BEING VERY TRANSPARENT ON THAT. I DON'T WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD, AS I SAY YES TO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T. I'M UNAWARE OF WHAT THAT ENTAILS. AND THEN THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT IS, I BELIEVE, SIGNED, AND IT IS PART OF THE LEASE, WHICH IS ALSO TRULY A BENEFIT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, TOO. IF YOU'RE A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT RIGHT NOW, MY KIDS WILL TURN 16 IN APRIL. AND IF YOU TURN 16 AFTER JANUARY IN THE SCHOOL YEAR, THERE IS NOT A PARKING PERMIT THAT YOU CAN GET TO DRIVE TO SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE OF PARKING.

AND WE PROVIDE THOSE PARKING SPACES TO THE SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL HOURS FOR STUDENTS. WHERE'S THE SIGNAGE GOING TO BE LOCATED? IS IT ON OLD CRYSTAL BAY OR ON COUNTY ROAD 6? SORRY, GO BACK TO THE. THERE'S SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDINGS. THERE'S A M MONUMENT SIGN AT THE CORNER OF OCB AND SIX. OKAY, THAT'S PROPOSED. AND THAT'S JUST A SMALL MONUMENT SIGN THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS IN THE.

LIKE A STONE OR SOMETHING.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO. THIS WILL HAVE A LIGHT POINTING DIRECTLY UP AT THE SIGN, AND THAT'S LOCATED HERE ON THE CORNER. AND THEN THE OTHER SIGNAGE IS INDICATED. I THINK THE CHAIR OF YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION SAID IT

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IT'D BE VERY ICONIC, LIKE A PICK OR ROCK OR POND IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

SO, THAT IS OUR TRULY OUR FUNDRAISING METHOD. I JUST WANTED TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THE. THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS SIGNAGE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT SIGNING SHINING ON ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. SO, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. I AGREE. THERE'S NO SIGNS POINTING TO THE WEST.

THERE'S ONE SIGN POINTING NORTH. AND THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS SIX IS PRETTY FAR, LONG WAYS AWAY. YEAH. SO, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ILLUMINATED YEAR-ROUND. M WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION IN THE PAST AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALWAYS CONCERNS ME A BIT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER SEASON IS THE IDEA OF A LOT OF INSECT LIFE AROUND HERE. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND EVERY TIME WE CREATE MORE SIGNAGE THAT GLOWS THAT IMPACTS OUR ENVIRONMENT.

SO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF SIGNAGE BUT I ALSO JUST QUESTION A BIT THE NEED TO HAVE SIGNAGE ON AT ALL TIMES. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT SPARTAN UP THERE, LIKE AS A VISION, IT WOULD BE A RAW CUT PIECE OF STEEL THAT HAD JUST A GLOW BEHIND IT. VERY TASTEFULLY DONE. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT ALL OF THESE COLORS AND LOOK HAVE OUR ARCHITECTS HAVE VERY CAREFULLY STUDIED THE CURRENT ATHLETIC CENTER TO FOLLOW THE REST OF THE CAMPUS AND TRY TO TIE IT TOGETHER. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THERE IS THE ANCHOR DONOR. RIGHT. LIKE THE COOP, LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT SIGN. I'LL TELL YOU THAT OUR GOAL IS NOT TO MAKE IT A BUNCH OF GIANT LIT UP SIGNS, BUT TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN CREATING SOMETHING VERY TASTEFUL. I CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF THE SIGNAGE.

IT'S JUST THE ILLUMINATION PIECE THAT I STRUGGLE WITH A BIT. I'M NOT. FOR ME THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARY IN ORDER TO HAVE FOLKS UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY EFFORT AND A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS.

IT'S ADDITIONAL LIGHTING THAT IT DOES IMPACT. I WOULD SAY THAT THE LIGHTING, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS BOARD BEING IN THE WINTER, IN THE EVENINGS, GETTING IN THE EVENINGS, COMING EARLY IN THE WINTER, THAT SOME LIGHTING IS FROM AN IDENTIFICATION STANDPOINT IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL. THE AMOUNT OR THE NUMBER OF THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE LIT, I GUESS UP FOR DEBATE. RIGHT.

AND THAT. BUT THAT'S. ARE THE SIGNS IN ADDITION TO OTHER DOWN LIGHTING OR OTHER PARKING LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HOW MUCH IN ADDITION TO OTHER SORT OF DOWN LIGHTING IN THAT LIGHTING PLAN OR THESE.

THIS CONSTITUTES THE LIGHTING PLAN FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT FROM HTG HERE.

GREAT, THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR THE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. TOM MORRIS WITH HTG ARCHITECTS. YEAH, THE LIGHTING PLAN FOR THE PARKING LOT IS SEPARATE FROM THE LIGHTING ON THE SIGNS.

BUT I THINK THE POINT BEHIND THE BACKLIT SIGNS WAS TO KIND OF MAKE THEM OBVIOUSLY READABLE, THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THEM, BUT WITHOUT CASTING THAT BIG GLARE, IF YOU WILL. NOW, ARE THEY GOING TO BE SHUT OFF OR WILL THEY ALWAYS BE ON? WELL, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THAT POINT OF DETAIL LIKE SHUT OFF OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S MINNESOTA. COME DECEMBER, IT'S DARK AT 4:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.

RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHICH TO GO TO. YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION? I DO. IT'S NOT RELATED TO LIGHTING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY TONIGHT AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ON PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT FREE SKATE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PLANNED FOR THIS ARENA? YES DEFINITELY.

WE ARE VERY AWARE OF A FREE SKATE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR.

I'VE SERVED A COUPLE YEARS NOW, WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE

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RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE PREVIOUS PARKING PLAN, BUT THIS PLAN IS MUCH, MUCH MORE IMPROVED. WE'VE REMOVED MUCH OF THE PARKING ALONG THE WEST AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR. THE CIRCULATION AND THE PARKING IS BETTER. THERE'S THE CONNECTION TO. WE'RE ALL FEELING MUCH BETTER ABOUT THAT. THE HIGH SCHOOL IS THE WATERSHED. WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE FOLKS, THE CITY. AND THEN WE ALSO.

THEY ASKED ABOUT A TRAFFIC REPORT. AND SO, WHAT WE DID IS WE DID HIRE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND IN THE END, THEY THOUGHT THE ROAD CAPACITY OF THE ROAD WAS FINE BECAUSE THIS USE IS OPPOSITE HOURS OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY. THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC IS THE PRIMARY TRAFFIC GENERATOR ON THE ROAD. SO. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS AS WELL.

REALLY DONE A NICE JOB ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO. ONE THING, I THINK THEY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BROUGHT UP IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING AND THE SIGNAGE OR THE LIGHTING AND THAT FALLING IN. IN REGARDS TO THAT TAKING THOSE CONCERNS.

UNDERSTAND EXACTLY. THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THAT. I MEAN THAT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THAT EMERGENCY SPACE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, I'D HATE FOR GOD FORBID SOMETHING HAPPENED, SOMEONE GOT INJURED, AND THEY HAD TO GO AROUND A BUILDING ON THAT. AND I DON'T THINK WITH THE. I WOULD THINK WITH THE GATING AND ALL THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO CUT THROUGH THERE AND GET TO THE SCHOOL WITH THAT PROPERLY. SO, I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THAT CONCERN IN REGARDS TO THAT. AH, SO OTHERWISE I'M IN FAVOR. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE WEST SIDE AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING? I KNOW THEY HAVE TREES PLANTED.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO SHIELD THAT MORE IN THE WINTER? SO, THEY HAVE SOME PINE, SOME PINE TREES PROPOSED ALONG THAT PARKING AREA AND A FENCE THAT RUNS HERE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF LIKE, LOWER SHRUBS AND DIFFERENT SUMAC AND OTHER PLANTS HERE ALONG THIS AREA. I MEAN, I THINK THEY'VE GOT A FEW OVERSTORY TREES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT WALL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE HIDDEN THAT BUILDING. BUT DEFINITELY THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL YEAR-ROUND TYPE SCREENING AROUND THE PARKING LOT THAT'S PROPOSED STILL ON THE WEST SIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A THOUGHT ABOUT ANY CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL HAD THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT.

BUT REALLY ISN'T A SPECIFIC PRESCRIBED AMOUNT OF TREES OR SHRUBS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN. SO, I THINK IF WE NEED SOME MORE SCREENING OR SOMETHING TO PROVIDE MORE SCREENING THAT WE SHOULD BE IDENTIFYING THAT. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AT THE SAME LEVEL THEN AS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, CORRECT? BECAUSE WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT IT'S HIGHER. HIGHER LEVEL. YEAH.

THIS ELEVATION, THIS THE BACK PART

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BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN TOO WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I THINK I CAN BRING UP THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN BUT I THINK THERE'S LIKE ONE LIGHT POLE IN LIKE THIS AREA WHERE PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD SEVERAL ALONG THERE. AND THEN THERE'S DOORS ON THOSE SIDES HERE. THERE'S LIKE A WALL, LIKE A, JUST A LIGHT ABOVE THE DOOR THAT'S PROPOSED THERE TOO BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOR CODE. OKAY.

I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN NOW.

THERE'S A DECENT BIT OF DETAIL IN HERE. I WAS JUST LOOKING.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AS A CITY RECENTLY ABOUT TREES BECAUSE OF THE ASH ISSUE, NATIVE PLANTINGS AND OTHER THINGS.

IN FACT, WE PARTNER IN A WAY WITH THE SCHOOL ON THE MONARCH INITIATIVES TO PUT IN MORE POLLINATORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT, BENEFICIAL IMPACT OF THE ENVIRONMENT. SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT OVER THE YEARS. SO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE SCREENING. ALWAYS. IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO BE PUTTING IN A DIVERSITY OF THE LANDSCAPING THE TREES NATIVE, IF POSSIBLE, IF THAT WORKS.

AND THEN ALSO JUST ADDITIONAL SCREENING OR ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT THE ENVIRONMENT. I WOULD IMAGINE THE WATERSHED HAS SPOKEN TO SOME OF THAT. NO.

OKAY. NOPE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO COMMENT ON A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITHIN THE CITY UNLESS IT'S RELATED TO SOME PROJECT THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE OVERSIGHT ON.

WELL, WE KNOW THEY BENEFIT OUR CITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. SO, IF THERE'S A WILLINGNESS TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING OR TO ENSURE THAT SOME NATIVES OR TREES THAT ARE GOING TO WEATHER WELL INTO THE FUTURE AND BE LESS PRONE TO DISEASE THAT THEY ALWAYS A GOOD, A GOOD IDEA. SO, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. I GUESS I.

WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD YOU, I GUESS I WOULD NEED DIRECTION BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED FROM A PLANTING PLAN AND IF THE COUNCIL HAS SOMETHING ELSE, THEY'D LIKE TO SEE OR SOME SPECIFIC MEASURES THAT THEY WANT TO SEE. BUT THEY'VE PROVIDED A PLANTING PLAN THAT DOES ADEQUATELY COVER THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND WAS THAT A CONCERN AT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTING ISSUES OR IS THAT GOING TO BE RESOLVED A DIFFERENT WAY? IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT LANDSCAPING AS IT RELATES TO NEIGHBORS IN JAMESTOWN? YES, PLEASE. I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND THE NEIGHBORS THEY KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO COME. I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A VERY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN WITH THE LIGHTING AND THE SIGNAGE. AND I THINK WE TALKED THROUGH THAT AT GREAT LENGTH AT THE MEETING.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS THOUGHTFUL IN THE DESIGN ORIGINALLY.

ANYWAY. ON THE SIDE THAT FACES THE NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE VERY LIMITED LIGHTING. ONLY REALLY WHAT'S REQUIRED. I THINK THE NOISE AND THE HEIGHT ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERNS OF THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE THOUGHTFUL WITH THAT. I MEAN, THAT SERVICE ROAD, AS LONG AS IT IS LOCKED OFF AND FOR EMERGENCY, I AGREE, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS.

AND IF THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IT CAN BE, IT'S JUST THE CONCERN IF THAT NOISE PUSHES OVER TO THEM. I MEAN, THAT NEIGHBOR THAT IS RIGHT BEHIND THEM, YOU'RE LIKE 50FT FROM A FOUR-STORY BUILDING.

NOW, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THAN WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO AND WHAT THEY REALIZED WAS GOING TO BE THERE. AND I'VE READ THROUGH ALL OF HIS COMMENTS AND I KNOW THAT HE HAS SPECIFICALLY LISTED HIS CONCERNS THERE.

BUT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO IT HAS BEEN THOUGHTFUL IN DOING THAT. THE LIGHTING, I THINK THAT THEY'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL. IT'S AS MINIMAL LIGHTING AS YOU CAN HAVE ON THOSE SIGNAGES. BUT I THINK JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT NOISE AND THAT PARKING ARE AS RESTRICTIVE AS POSSIBLE FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS AND JUST MAKING SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GOING ON TO SIX ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERNS. AND AS LONG AS THEY CAN ACTUALLY STICK TO THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN BECAUSE HIGHWAY 6 IS, IS JUST A NIGHTMARE. AND YOU HAVE A 55 LIMIT, BUT IT'S 70 TO 80 USUALLY. AND YOU DO HAVE A BLIND CURVE COMING DOWN. YOU JUST GO SIT IN THAT SPOT WHERE THAT RINK IS GOING TO BE AND YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT AND SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING.

AND IF IT'S AT NIGHT IN THE WINTER, WHEN YOU HAVE HOCKEY LEAVING, IT'S A SCARY PLACE

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OKAY. CAN I ASK WHY THEY HAVE THE ROAD GO ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BUILDING? I CAN ABSOLUTELY SEE THE ACCESS FROM, FROM SIX GOING INTO THE LOADING AREA FOR EMERGENCY.

BUT WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT ROAD GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH? IS THERE SOME REASON FOR THAT? I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND TO THAT. OKAY, QUESTION. ARE YOU ASKING WHY DOES IT EXTEND OUT TO SIX? NO, DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE PARKING LOT. DO YOU NEED THAT ROAD TO CONNECT TO THE PARKING LOT? FROM 6 TO THE PARKING LOT? ASSUMING THAT'S HOW THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES WILL ACCESS THE SITE.

RIGHT? FROM SIX. CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.

WELL, I GUESS WE ALWAYS SAW IT AS A ONE WAY.

LIKE YOU'D BE GOING OUT THAT WAY, THEY'D COME FROM THE SCHOOL AND GO NORTH.

ARE YOU SAYING LIKE A FIRE ENGINE? IT COULD BE A FIRE ENGINE OR AN AMBULANCE OR WHAT HAVE. THERE'S NO ROOM TO TURN AROUND BACK THERE, RIGHT? LIMITED. OKAY, BUT IF YOU'RE BRINGING AN AMBULANCE IN FROM COUNTY ROAD 6 AND YOU'RE GOING TO. GOING ON THE LOADING DOCK ROAD THAT YOU HAVE LABELED THERE. YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO WAY TO BACK UP THAT YET. I GUESS THAT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE THE FULL.

SO, JUST, JUST SO THE COUNCIL KNOWS THAT THIS, THE PLAN FOR THIS ACCESS ROAD AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS, BOTH THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF. AND LITTLE I KNOW THAT YET. THE REASON, THE REASON IS THE WAY IT IS SO THAT THEY COULD ACCESS IT FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS. AND ALSO, JUST THE WAY THAT OUR CURRENT FIRE DEPARTMENT MIGHT RESPOND, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE IN A FIRE ENGINE, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY AN AMBULANCE VEHICLE. SO, IF IT WAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONDING, WHICH VERY WELL IT MIGHT BE THEY WOULD HAVE A MUCH LONGER VEHICLE THAN A TRADITIONAL AMBULANCE OR YOU KNOW, A SQUAD CAR IF IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR.

THANKS. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I'LL GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE SCAPING FOR JUST A MOMENT. JUST BECAUSE I'VE. I KNOW THERE'S NOT A SECOND CHANCE TO COME BACK AROUND ON THIS. SO, I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, IF EVERYTHING POSSIBLE HAS BEEN DONE ON THAT WESTERN EDGE TO SCREEN AND PROVIDE AS MUCH SOUND BARRIER AS POSSIBLE WITH THOSE WHATEVER THE TREES ARE EVERGREENS, DECIDUOUS. HAS, HAS EVERYTHING BEEN DONE? THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SO, I GUESS IF YOU'D COME BACK UP. IS THAT, IS THAT A HILL ALONG THAT SIDE ALSO? WHAT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW IS THAT IT IS NOT AT THIS EXACT SAME ELEVATION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION THERE IS, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE BURNED UP.

OKAY. THAT'LL HELP WITH SOUND I WOULD THINK.

OKAY. SO, HOW MUCH ELEVATION ARE WE TALKING FROM THAT SERVICE ROAD TO THE, TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE? I COULDN'T TELL ON THE SMALL, SMALL THING WE SAW. THIS IS 1016. IT GOES UP TO 1020 AT THE HEIGHT. SO, ABOUT 5FT ELEVATION IN SOME PARTS IT LOOKS LIKE GOES UP TO 1023. SO, YEAH.

OKAY, THAT SHOULD HELP. OKAY, SO THEN THE LAND DOES GO UP.

OKAY. ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION GOING TO STAY THE SAME AS WHEREVER THEY ARE NOW? I MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INCREASED CAPACITY. BUT WILL THESE NEIGHBORS OR THE COMMUNITY BE AFFECTED BY DIFFERENT HOURS OR LARGER EVENT? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE LARGER NOW, BUT IS, IS THE, ARE THE HOURS EXPANDING? PERHAPS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO GET MORE ICE TIME SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY CONDENSE THEM IDEALLY. SO, WHAT ARE THE HOURS LIKE? LIKE 5:30 TO 11 OR? THE FIRST GATE STARTS AT 6 AND THEN THEY'RE OFF THE ICE AT. NOT INCLUDING, FOR YOUTH? YEAH, NOT INCLUDING FEAR. THEY LIKE COUPLE GUYS LATE AT NIGHT. BUT IN GENERAL. AND THAT INCLUDES GETTING IT. I MEAN BECAUSE IF THEY HIT THE ICE AT 6 ON DAY THERE BEFOREHAND TO CHANGE. GOTCHA. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, THANKS. YEAH.

OTHER CONCERNS? NO, I DON'T.

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AND AGAIN, STAFF AND PLANNING ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.

ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T. ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 7701 AT 795 O CRYSTAL BAY ROAD NORTH. I'LL SECOND. AND THAT INCLUDES JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND THE VARIANCES. THE YEAH, THE RECOMMENDED VARIANCES. YEAH. I GUESS THE SEVEN CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THAT, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS. IS THAT PART OF YOUR RESOLUTION? YES.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION

[11) LA26-000025, 1555 Orchard Beach Place, Variances - Resolution 7703]

ALL RIGHT. MS. CURTIS IS STILL ON THE DIAS HERE WITH ITEM NUMBER 111555 ORCHARD BEACH PLACE. REQUESTED VARIANCE. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SETBACK VARIANCES TO ADD A SECOND STORY TO THE EXISTING BOATHOUSE ON THE PROPERTY AND RESTORE IT TO ITS PREVIOUS HISTORICAL CONDITION. VARIANCES FOR SIDE YARD SETBACK, AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK AND 75-FOOT SHORE SETBACK ARE REQUIRED. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE CONSISTS OF A LOWER-LEVEL CONCRETE STRUCTURE WITH A DECK, STAIRS ACCESSING IT ON THE SIDE. THE COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS REQUEST ON JULY 20TH. I'M GOING TO PUT UP THE PLANS. THE PLANS ON THE SCREEN REPRESENT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE BOATHOUSE. THE PROPOSED DESIGN WILL ADD A SECOND STORY TO THE BUILDING.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 20TH. THEY FOLLOWED STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND VOTED 5, 2 TO DENY THE VARIANCES AS APPLIED. WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND SUPPORT WERE RECEIVED AND WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. AND ADDITIONALLY SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS WERE PROVIDED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND TONIGHT, STAFF CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT THE SECOND STORY AS APPLIED.

THE OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO REBUILD THE BOATHOUSE AS IT EXISTS. STAFF NOTES THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING GUARDRAIL AROUND THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE CURRENTLY AND IT DOES NOT. IF IT DOES, I DON'T BELIEVE IT MEETS BUILDING CODE STANDARDS.

SORRY. IF REBUILT IF THE STRUCTURE IS REBUILT IN KIND, STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THE VARIANCES NEEDED. THE AVERAGE SETBACK AND THE 75-FOOT SETBACK VARIANCE IS NEEDED TO BUILD THE GUARDRAILS TO THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. TO BRING THOSE INTO COMPLIANCE. TONIGHT, COUNCIL SHOULD MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 7703 DENYING THE REQUESTED VARIANCES FOR THE SECOND STORY AND APPROVING VARIANCES FOR THE GUARDRAIL. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS. IS THIS SITE A REGISTERED HISTORIC SITE? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK WE HEARD THAT IT MAYBE IS 50 YEARS PAST THAT THAT SECOND STORY WAS STANDING. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO VERIFY THAT. I DON'T HAVE A VERIFICATION OF THE EXACT DATES. NO, I DON'T. I GUESS AFTER ATTENDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. I KNOW THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE FOR THE REBUILDING OF THE FIVE. FIVE COMMISSIONERS DENYING. I HAVE TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD REMOVED THE SECOND LEVEL, THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT OF THE SECOND LEVEL AND THEY DID PUT RAILINGS ON AND THEY DID USE IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WITH THE

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BUT DOES IT GO THE OTHER WAY, I GUESS, AND SAY IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO? NO, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCEDURE.

SO, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THAT FEATURE, IF SOMEONE'S ESTABLISHED SOMETHING AND IT'S A LAWFUL NONCONFORMITY, THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE TO REESTABLISH IT.

BUT IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND UPON IT, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO. SO, THESE VARIANTS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT 4FT VERSUS 6FT HERE.

CERTAINLY, THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT SECOND STORY, BUT THE LAW DOES SAY ONCE YOU'VE ABANDONED IT FOR A YEAR, IT'S MEANT TO GO AWAY. I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE THERE PROBABLY USED TO BE A TON OF BOATHOUSES ON LAKE MINNETONKA. ALMOST EVERY LOT THAT WAS BUILT UPON. I WOULD THINK PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT THIS IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT AND SAY, WELL, I USED TO HAVE A BOATHOUSE, SO I'M GOING TO BUILD A BOATHOUSE WHERE IT WAS.

BECAUSE YOU LET THIS PERSON BUILD IT BACK UP TO WHAT IT WAS. I ASSUME THAT'S A VALID CONCERN. YEAH, THAT IS PART OF THE CONCERN. AND IN RIGHT OR WRONG, FOR A WHILE, ORONO HAS STRUGGLED. NOT STRUGGLED, BUT THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS AROUND THE BOATHOUSE ISSUE.

AND SO, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT IF ONE IS STILL THERE, YOU GET TO REBUILD IT.

BUT IF IT HAS GONE AWAY, MUCH LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECOND STORY HERE, WE HAVE HAD THE SITUATION WHERE MAYBE THERE'S STILL A FOUNDATION OR MAYBE THERE'S PICTURES. HISTORICALLY WAS THERE, BUT IF YOU'VE ABANDONED IT FOR A YEAR, IT'S GONE. THAT RIGHT IS GONE. I THINK ANOTHER POINT TO THIS IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY WHICH IS VALID. AND THE REALITY IS THERE DIDN'T USED TO BE ANY STRUCTURES ON THIS LAKE. AND PART OF ORONO'S COMMITMENT TO PRESERVATION, PROTECTION AND LAKE QUALITY AND EROSION IS THAT WIND STRUCTURES DO BECOME REMOVED THAT IDEALLY STRUCTURES ARE NOT BUILT THAT CLOSE TO LAKE ANYMORE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF REDUCING MASSING ON THE LAKE, NOT, NOT INCREASING IT. EVEN IF THERE'S A HISTORICAL COMPONENT HERE, WHICH I VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ON A HISTORIC REGISTRY, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT. AND THIS LEVEL HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.

I KNOW THERE'S REASONABLE USE OF THIS PROPERTY IN THIS BOATHOUSE WITHOUT THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL. AND I'M AS SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT WE AS A CITY ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO REDUCE MASSING, REDUCE IMPACT ON THE LAKE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T SUPPORT BECAUSE IT'S MOVING US IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE IN THE 30S OR 40S THERE WAS LOTS OF THINGS POTENTIALLY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT. AND WE DO SEE HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT UP ON THE LAKE. BUT THERE'S A REASON THAT WE'VE CHANGED SOME OF THIS CODE TO PULL THINGS BACK A BIT.

SO, THIS IS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION AND NOBODY COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. IT'S NOT UNLIKE THIS OTHER ISSUE AT THE GATE TONIGHT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

BUT THE FENCE, I SHOULD SAY.

BUT THE, THE UPSHOT FROM MY STANDPOINT IS THAT WE'RE.

WE'RE NOT WANTING TO MOVE FURTHER IN THE DIRECTION OF MASSING AND BUILDING IN THAT 75 FOOT. SO, I'M IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF REASONABLE USE AND, AND RESTRUCTURING OR KEEPING IT AS IT HAS BEEN, BUT NOT IN, IN SUPPORT OF THIS ADDITIONAL LEVEL AND THIS VARIANCE. THE APPLICANT HERE LIKE TO ADDRESS US? YES, PLEASE.

HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. THANKS FOR HEARING US AND GIVING US A

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YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY. YEAH, IT'S LIKE. IS THIS THE ONE? YEP.

SO, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE GROWN-UP WEEDS AND PLANTS AROUND IT. BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND HERE.

SO, I. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK TONIGHT ABOUT SETTING. SETTING PRECEDENCE, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS, THAT TO ALLOW REBUILDING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY THERE OPENS THE FLOODGATES TO EVERYBODY ASKING FOR THE SAME THING.

IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S SO UNIQUE THAT I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD APPLY IN THE FUTURE TO A SIMILAR REQUEST. THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BOATHOUSE EXISTS. WE CAN AND WANT TO REBUILD THE BOATHOUSE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THERE IS A DECK UP ABOVE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE AND JUST COMBINE THAT VISUAL INTERRUPTION I GUESS FROM THE LAKE OVER THE EXISTING BOATHOUSE THERE AND PUT THE BOATHOUSE BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS HISTORICALLY. IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE MAP, IT INCREASES THE MASSING AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT WAS HISTORICALLY, BUT IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT, IT DOESN'T INCREASE ANYTHING THAT WOULD LEAD TO EROSION OR MORE DISRUPTION OF THE, THAT HILLSIDE.

IN FACT, IT DOES THE OPPOSITE. THE SECOND STORY OF THAT BOATHOUSE USED TO RETAIN THAT STEEP SLOPE. AND PUTTING IT BACK WOULD ACTUALLY HELP IN THAT CASE. AND I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT HERE.

SO, I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THAT LIGHT, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MAYBE ANY OTHER SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY ASKS TO REBUILD THE SECOND STORY OF A HISTORICAL HISTORIC BOATHOUSE OVER ONE THAT CAN BE REBUILT WITHOUT A VARIANCE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. AND COMBINING THE DECK, THAT'S ANOTHER VISUAL INTERRUPTION JUST ON TOP OF IT AT I THINK ROUGHLY THE SAME ELEVATION OF WHERE THAT SECOND STORY DECK WOULD BE. IF THIS IS APPROVED. LET'S SEE HERE.

THERE'S ALSO SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT I THINK MAYBE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE WITH EXISTING NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES.

TO WHAT DEGREE OF DISREPAIR OR DEMOLITION DOES IT CROSS A THRESHOLD WHERE YOU CAN NO LONGER REBUILD IT? IF A PORTION OF A WALL OF THAT EXISTING BOATHOUSE IS MISSING, OR IF THE DOORS ARE MISSING, OR IF A SECTION OF THE RAILING ISN'T THERE, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED TO BE REBUILT IN KIND OR YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT LINE DRAWN? OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO THE EXTREME WITH THERE'S THE MAJORITY OF THAT SECOND STORY. THERE MAY BE PARTS AND PIECES OF IT THAT ARE STILL THERE, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS GONE.

BUT THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE LOWER LEVEL THAT ARE NOT INTACT. AND WITH ANY NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT PROBABLY RAISES QUESTIONS IS HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T REBUILD IT. AND FINALLY, AND THIS IS MORE, MORE SALES PITCH THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK BOATHOUSES ARE A HISTORIC PART OF LAKE MINNETONKA. I THINK PEOPLE ENJOY THEM. THERE'S BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT THEM. AND I THINK THEY'RE PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE LAKE. AND WE'RE HOPING WE CAN PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY THAT IT WAS. AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS FEELING THE SAME WAY. IT WASN'T TAKEN DOWN, IT WAS TAKEN DOWN BY A FORCE OF NATURE THE RAILING. AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS CAN ATTEST TO THIS AS WELL. IT WASN'T PUT UP AS A FUNCTION OF REMODELING IT. IT WAS PUT UP BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO PUT THE SECOND STORY BACK.

AND TO MAKE IT SAFE BECAUSE JUST HAVING A FLAT DECK WITH NO GUARDRAILS IS NOT A SAFE SITUATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, MAYOR, THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

MELANIE, IS THERE A SLIDE SHOWING. THERE WAS ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING BOATHOUSE WHERE IT'S PROBABLY FOUR COURSES OF BLOCK THAT HAD COLLAPSED FORWARD.

THAT WAS IN THE KIND OF THE AMENDED FILE I THINK SVEN SENT. OKAY, SO THAT'S, AND THAT JUST TO CLARIFY A BIT, THIS IS THE SECOND NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE. THIS IS 103 SQUARE FOOT THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO REMOVE FROM. OKAY, THAT'S DIFFERENT. A 75-FOOT RANGE.

SO, THAT'S AGAIN MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE PROPOSE TO REMOVE WHICH WOULD RESULT IN 103 SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION IN HARDCOVER WITHIN THAT YOU KNOW, THAT ZONE, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A 19.8% REDUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE WITHIN THAT ZONE. SO, NOT ONLY WOULD WE BE RESTORING THIS TO ITS FORMER GRANDEUR IT DOES FIT

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IF WE COULD GO BACK UP TO THE TWO-STORY STRUCTURE. AND THEN IF YOU COULD, IF YOU CAN FIND THOSE PHOTOS THAT IT DID SHOW THOSE FOUR COURSES OF BLOCK.

AND I THINK I DON'T THINK.

AH, I DIDN'T. IT WAS A PERSPECTIVE MORE FROM THIS. I DON'T, I DIDN'T SENT THOSE TO YOU JUST THIS WEEK WITH SOME OTHER. I DIDN'T SEE IT AS YOU WERE FLIPPING THROUGH, BUT WHAT I GOT THIS WEEK.

OKAY, SO THOSE WERE NEW JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS IS THAT OTHER DECK THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO.

YES, THESE, LET'S CALL THAT STRUCTURE NUMBER TWO, THE ONE WITH, WITH THE, THE RED DECK. I DON'T HAVE THAT PHOTO. I'M SORRY.

ANYWAY, AT ANY RATE JUST. JUST KIND OF GOING BACK TO. AND I KNOW FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS ONE, POSSIBLY EVEN TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAD EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN LEANING. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY WERE GOING TO SAY YES, BUT ONE OF THEM DID SAY THAT HAD THERE BEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE INCLINED TO A SUPPORT THAN A DENIAL. THAT WAS NOT SHOWN THE FIRST TIME WE WERE UP HERE. I DO HAVE THOSE PHOTOS IN M. MY PHONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO CARRY ANY WEIGHT AT THIS POINT OF THE.

OF THIS, BUT THERE ARE FOUR COURSES A BLOCK THAT ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BOAT HOUSE THAT HAVE KIND OF COLLAPSED FORWARD.

SO, THAT'S JUST MORE REALLY IN SUPPORT OF WHEN THIS HAPPENED. LIKE LES WAS SAYING, HOWEVER MANY DECADES AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS, THE STORM TOOK IT OUT. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE WERE NOT THE TYPE THAT'S JUST GOING TO CALL THE HANDYMAN UP AND SAY, HEY, PUT A SECOND STORY ON. THEY SAID, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT? WELL, LET'S GET THE DEBRIS OUT OF HERE SO OUR KIDS DON'T TRIP AND FALL OFF THE, KNOW THE END OF THE BOATHOUSE. LET'S PUT UP A MAKESHIFT RAILING. AND IT LOOKS LIKE A COMPLETE HOME HANDYMAN BUILT. THAT, I MEAN, LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING I COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH MYSELF, SKILL WISE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RAILING. BUT. AND LET ME COMMENT ON THAT REAL QUICK, IT IS CONFORMING HEIGHT, MELANIE. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S CONFORMING. WELL, YEAH, NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I.

UNLESS YOU GOT A REALLY BIG DOG OR SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO GET THROUGH THAT. YEAH, THAT WAS.

FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THERE WERE FOUR BRICKS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'D ALREADY FALLEN OFF THE BUILDING AND THEY WERE.

NO, FOUR COURSES A BLOCK. SO, FROM THE SECOND LEVEL. YES.

SO, IF YOU JUST TO PUT IT INTO LIKE AREA PERSPECTIVE FROM WHERE THIS IS.

FROM WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING NOW, IF. WHICH WE CAN'T IN THIS PHOTO.

BUT IF YOU WERE JUST TO LOOK LEFT, WHICH WOULD BE NORTH, YOU CAN SEE FOUR COURSES OF BLOCK, WHICH IS. WHAT'S THE COURSE OF BLOCKS BEEN? 8, 9 INCHES TALL, WHATEVER THAT IS. AND THEY'VE COLLAPSED FORWARD. SO, COMING FROM THE HOUSE DOWN TOWARD THE LAKE, AND THEY'RE STILL JUST BASICALLY LAID TO REST. LIKE, THAT WAS NEVER TAKEN OUT AS PART OF THAT REMODEL, WHICH I THINK HAD THAT BEEN BROUGHT UP DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT MAY HAVE SWAYED ONE, POSSIBLY TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THESE GUYS NEVER TRIED TO REBUILD THIS.

THEY BASICALLY GOT RID OF THE RUBBISH OR THE REFUSE AND PUT A YOU KNOW, MADE A HOME REPAIRMAN ATTEMPT AT A RAILING.

BUT WHAT HAD FALLEN DOWN WAS NO LONGER ATTACHED TO THE BOATHOUSE. IT'S. IT'S ON THE ROOF OF THE BOAT HOUSE. SO, JUST IMAGINE IF YOU HAD THE WALLS AND ONE OF THEM FELL FORWARD.

THEY'RE STILL LAYING THERE.

SO, IT'S STILL INTACT, IF YOU WILL, BUT IT'S COLLAPSED ONTO THE ROOF. IT'S REMNANTS OF THE SECOND SLIDE. RIGHT.

THEY HADN'T BEEN CLEANED UP, SO THEY LEFT IT THERE FOR 40 YEARS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YES, EXACTLY. PRECISELY. I GOT THE. AGAIN, I CAN SHOW YOU.

IT'S IN MY PHONE. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE THESE TONIGHT. MAYBE THAT SOMEHOW WAS OMITTED, BUT I CAN PROVIDE THOSE IF NEEDED, IF THAT WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. DO WE HAVE THE, WHAT IS IT SAID? I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY IT. THE GUIDELINES THAT TELL US THE 12 MONTHS OR THE SIX MONTHS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S A NATURAL DAMAGE OR WHAT. HOW. WHAT DOES THE STATE SAY? IT'S THE STATE, ISN'T IT, THAT HAS THOSE. A STATUTE.

YES. YEAH. AND OUR CITY CODE AS WELL. OKAY. MIRRORS THAT

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I'M GOING TO STILL GO WITH THE PRECEDENT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW A STATE STATUE ON THIS ONE. AND THAT, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT TELLS ME THAT THE SECOND STORY USED TO BE THERE. I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IS ALLOWING THEM TO PUT A NEW SECOND STORY ON A BOATHOUSE THAT THEY CAN REBUILD IN KIND. THERE'S NO LONGER ANY PROTECTION BY THE STATUTE.

RIGHT. THERE ARE VERY CLEAR PICTURES OF WHAT USED TO BE THERE. AND THAT'S. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PICTURES OF THINGS THAT USED TO BE THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET AUTOMATICALLY REBUILDED.

THAT'S JUST NOT HOW THE STATE STATUTE READS. AND MELANIE, I JUST EMAILED THAT TO YOU. I CAN'T PUT IT IN THE, AND I, AND I, AND AGAIN, I REALIZE YOUR TIME IS IMPORTANT AND I DON'T WANT TO STRETCH THIS TO AN ALL-NIGHT EVENT, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK THIS EVENING AND I'M SURE THERE IS. IF I WENT TO ONE OF THESE EVERY MONTH. I'D PROBABLY HEAR THE SAME STORY OVER AND OVER WITH PRECEDENT IN REGARD TO RESPECTING THE RULES AND THE PRECEDENTS. AND I'M NOT JUST ANOTHER GUY THAT'S COMING UP HERE ASKING FOR A BUNCH OF THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET.

BUT I DO BELIEVE, AND SVEN HAD TOUCHED ON THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW DANGEROUS IT WOULD BE AS A PRECEDENT, OKAY, HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE THERE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GUY COMING UP HERE SAYING WE'VE GOT A BOATHOUSE THAT USED TO BE TWO STORIES. WE'VE GOT PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF SUCH. WE DO HAVE PICTURES SHOWING THAT THE SECOND STORY IS STILL THERE. AND WE'RE WILLING TO CONCEDE ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS SORT OF HIDEOUS IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WITH RESPECT TO MASSING AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE LAKE AND THE WAY IT LOOKS FROM THE LAKE, FROM THE NEIGHBORS, FROM THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, FROM THE ROAD, FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE, BUT WHICH CAN ALSO BE REBUILT IN KIND AND WOULD HAVE VERY MUCH THE SAME IMPACT FROM THE LAKE. RIGHT. SO, AGAIN IF WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO CONCEDE THAT OTHER NON-CONFORMING PIECE IN ORDER TO GET THIS BACK TO WHAT IT USED TO BE WITH THE NEIGHBOR SUPPORT AND SHORING UP THE HILL AND KIND OF ADDRESSING THE EROSION AND NOT CREATING ADDITIONAL, RATHER A REDUCTION IN MASSING. THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S NOT AS SLIPPERY OF A SLOPE AS SOME OF THE THINGS I BROUGHT, I'VE SEEN BROUGHT BEFORE. AND AGAIN, WITH THIS IS KIND OF AN ARBITRARY AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE OKAY, YOU'VE GOT 12 MONTHS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT 12 MONTHS IN REBUILDING PIT. I GUESS THEY, SOMEONE SOMEWHERE SAID LET'S JUST PICK A NUMBER. 12 MONTHS.

I JUST THINK WE'D HAVE A TOUGH TIME SAYING NO TO SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT THE OUTLINE OF YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FOUNDATION OF AN OLD BOATHOUSE THAT'S STILL IN THEIR YARD. THEY'D SAY, THEY'D COME TO US AND SAY, WELL YOU LET THIS PERSON GO UP YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE THEM A VARIANCE FOR THAT. WHY DON'T I GET A VARIANCE FOR MY 100%? AND I RESPECT THAT. AND, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WOULD BE WILL THEY ALSO REDUCE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BY 103 SQUARE FEET BY 20%? WHAT WAS THERE? SO, THAT WAS MY POINT ON IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SET A PRECEDENT FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH. AGAIN, YOU SEE THESE, YOU'RE THE EXPERTS ON THIS, NOT ME. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM LOGICAL POINT OF VIEW WOULD BE A LOVELY STRUCTURE.

AGAIN, I HAVE A PLACE IN THE LAKE I'D LOVE TO HAVE A BOATHOUSE, BUT I WASN'T BLESSED WITH HAVING THE FOUNDATION OF ONE THERE THAT I CAN ARGUE THAT I CAN BUILD. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

I JUST I JUST REALLY AGAIN WANTED TO JUST KIND OF REITERATE AND STRESS THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST UP HERE THROWING DARTS OPEN. WE GET SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T GET. I DO THINK THAT IT FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE LOT OVER, OVER 150FT OF LAKESHORE. WE'VE GOT LARGE LOTS ON BOTH SIDES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE OH, WHAT KIND OF A MONSTROSITY ARE THESE PEOPLE PUTTING UP? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY OF THAT.

AND IT IS IT DOES HAVE A RAISED ELEVATION SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO BE GOING, OH WHAT DID THE COUNCIL DO NOW? THAT KIND OF A THING. IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. OUR ARCHITECT TOM DID A GREAT JOB RENDERING IT UP AND IT DOES WE.

THERE IS A SLIDE IN THE DECK THERE I BELIEVE, WHERE IT SHOWS KIND OF A LONGER. YEAH, LIKE THAT.

IT LOOKS HUGE. OKAY. AND I WISH IT WAS GOING TO BE THAT BIG.

UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU DO ZOOM BACK YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS IT, 12FT WIDE, SVEN? I MEAN IT'S NOT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 12FT WIDE. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A BIG ONE THERE, BUT I AH, THINK MAYBE

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MAYBE YOU SHOULD PAINT A CAMOUFLAGE NEXT TIME. BUT NO, AGAIN, JUST TO SHOW KIND OF THE SIZE OF IT VERSUS THE LOT AND THE WAY IT'S KIND OF INSET WITH THE HILL. AND THEN WE'LL BE GETTING RID OF THAT OTHER NON-CONFORMING PIECE WHICH IS KIND OF TWO THIRDS TO THE RIGHT. AND IT'S AGAIN KIND OF FOREGROUND SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. BUT I THINK FOR THE LAKE, FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE CITY, FOR THE TOWN, FOR EVERYONE THAT YOU KNOW, GOES BY IN THEIR KAYAK AND LOOKS AT IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE COMMUNITY. ARE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I'M SURE WHEN YOU REBUILD IN KIND, IT'LL BE VERY, VERY NICE AND TASTEFUL TOO. I JUST, I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SAY YES, GO AHEAD AND PUT A SECOND STORY BACK ON THERE. I KNOW THAT IT WAS HISTORICALLY THERE BEFORE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS AND THERE ARE STATUTES IN PLACE AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES TOO.

I ABSOLUTELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I APPRECIATE IT, I REALLY DO. THIS ONE, I FEEL LIKE IT CAN BE REBUILT IN KIND AND I THINK IT'LL LOOK, LOOK, IT'LL LOOK BEAUTIFUL AND IT'LL HAVE A, A LOT OF USE TO THE NEW OWNERS AND STUFF.

BUT AS FAR AS PUTTING A SECOND STORY BACK ON IT, I, I CAN'T AND AGREE TO THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO, THAT'S THIS, THE RENDERING WITH THE SECOND STORY UP ABOVE THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THAT LOOKS GREAT. I HAPPEN TO REMEMBER THAT BOATHOUSE WHEN IT WAS THERE REALLY 50 YEARS AGO.

AND BEING A BOATHOUSE GUY, I CAN SEE AND APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN REGARDS TO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AS, AGAIN, WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

IN MY OPINION. WHEN LOOKING AT THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING OUT OF LINE RECONSTRUCTING BACK TO WHAT WAS THERE. IF WE GOT PICTURES OF IT 50 YEARS AGO, UNDERSTANDING THE 12 MONTH LOOK BACK ON THAT THAT AMASSING MORE. I MEAN I LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE LAKE AND WHAT THESE BOATHOUSES CAN MEAN AND DO I THINK THAT ACTUALLY IS A POSITIVE IN ALL THOSE AREAS. AND I STRUGGLE WITH GOING AGAINST STAFF IN REGARDS TO THAT. BUT I REALLY LOOK AT IT FROM A COMMON-SENSE STANDPOINT. I THINK IT, IT FITS. AND BOY, I'M REALLY TORN ON THAT JUST BECAUSE OF. I AGREE IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I JUST THINK OF THE PRECEDENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I LOOK AT ALSO IT IS. I THINK BOATHOUSES ARE ORIGINALLY A PART OF THE CHARACTER OF LAKE MINNETONKA. AND AS THEY GET RESTORED, AS ONES GET BROUGHT BACK THAT WERE THERE, I THINK ENVIRONMENTALLY IT'S BETTER IMPACT AND GETS AN IMPROVEMENT OVERALL. SO. YEP. I WOULD THINK, AND IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I WOULD THINK THAT A ONE-STORY BOATHOUSE THERE COULD BE BUILT TO LOOK FAR DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT ONE. RIGHT. IT ALL. IT JUST HAS TO KEEP THE SAME.

CHANGE THE DIMENSIONS. YEP.

THE DIMENSIONS NEED TO STAY THE SAME. THE MATERIALS CAN CHANGE, BUT THEY COULD PUT WINDOWS, THEY COULD PUT DIFFERENT OPENINGS IN THE WALLS. YEP.

AND I'M SURE YOU COULD DESIGN ONE THAT LOOKS REALLY COOL.

MAYBE NOT QUITE AS COOL AS THE TWO STORY ONE, BUT I JUST, I REALLY WORRY ABOUT PRECEDENT. THE ONE THING I'LL SHARE JUST, I'M JUST GOING TO THROW WHATEVER I HAVE NOW AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO, ON THE OTHER THE ALTERNATIVE RENDERINGS, WHICH WERE THE ONE STORY I ACTUALLY TOLD MY WIFE, I SAID FORGET IT. IF THEY DON'T DO THE TWO STORY, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE JUST A PLACE TO STORE DOCK LINES AND BUOYS, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A BOMB BUNKER KIND OF THING WHERE YOU DON'T REALLY GET ROOM TO DO WINDOWS WITH IT BEING KIND OF INSET WITH THE HILL. SO, IT'D BE MORE OF A STORAGE THING, WHICH AGAIN IS BETTER THAN I UNDERSTAND WITH 96. SOME PERCENT OF THE LOTS DO NOT HAVE A BOATHOUSE

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I'LL SECOND IT.

FURTHER DISCUSSION HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY

[12) Work Session Schedule]

GOING OUT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. OBVIOUSLY NEXT TIME WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL WATER ACCESS LICENSING DISCUSSION. AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE THROUGH THE YEAR ARE OUR NORMAL BUDGETING CYCLE WORK SESSION ITEMS. SO, PRELIMINARY LEVY DISCUSSION. THE TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING WORK SESSIONS AND THE FEE SCHEDULE.

NOTE THAT THE TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WORK SESSIONS ARE EARLY STARTS AT 4PM.

CURRENTLY, OPEN ARE THE 28TH AND NOVEMBER OR 28TH OF SEPTEMBER AND THE 23RD OF NOVEMBER HEARD VARIOUS IDEAS FOR SUBJECTS INCLUDING A MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ON THE LMCD, A DISCUSSION ON RENEWABLE ENERGY DISCUSSION ON THE GOLF COURSE. AND I'M PROBABLY MISSING SOME OTHERS I'VE HEARD. BUT SO ANYWAY, BROUGHT THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR PROPOSALS OTHER THAN WANTING TO HEAR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL AND MAYBE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON WHAT, WHAT IF ANYTHING, WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO PUSH FROM STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T BLANK SPACES ON THE CALENDAR OR COMPLETELY HAPPY WITH BLANK SPACES.

YEAH. SO, IT WAS MY SUGGESTION WHEN WE SPOKE EARLIER TO CONSIDER A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SMALL WIND ENERGY CONVERTERS OR SWEX, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE ON AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RELATED TO OUR MOVE AND COMMITMENT TO MORE SUSTAINABLE WAYS OF FOLKS PRODUCING ENERGY OUT HERE. AND I KNOW IN A BRIEF SEARCH THAT OUR ORDINANCES AROUND THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO, IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BECAUSE OF FIRST OF ALL REQUESTS AND SECOND OF ALL SUSTAINABILITY AND ALSO KNOWING IF OUR RESIDENTS OR OUR ORDINANCES ARE IN LINE WITH OR UNREASONABLY RESTRICTIVE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF ENERGY USE. I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ADAM. DID YOU ALSO SAY THAT OUR. WE ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE ON SOLAR EVEN THAN SOME COMMUNITIES? WE ARE. YEAH.

SO, IT. THIS. IT'S JUST, IT'S IN THAT LARGER VEIN AS WE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE WAYS FOR POWERING THEIR HOMES. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD VALUE DISCUSSION ON. SO, IN TERMS OF A WORKING SESSION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT. MAKES SENSE TO. WE COULD LOOK AT YOU KNOW, A SINGLE SESSION FOR THAT OR PARTNER IT WITH ONE OF THESE OTHER ONES THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. BUT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN. AND I HAD RAISED THE SUBJECT OF HEARING MORE BACKGROUND ON THE LMCD. WE'VE GOT A FORMER MAYOR THAT WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THE BEGINNINGS OF THE LMCD THAT HAS ASKED

[02:35:01]

SO, LOOK AT THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION IS COMMERCIAL WATER ACCESS LICENSING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE LMCD OR THROUGH A PROGRAM THAT THE LMCD HAS.

PERHAPS WE MAYBE COMBINE THAT HISTORY LESSON ON THE LMCD WITH THE COMMERCIAL WATER ACCESS LICENSING. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE IN AN HOUR. MAYBE WE'LL EXTEND IT TO . THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO. I LIKE THAT IDEA.

I WOULD CERTAINLY. BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE LMCD HISTORY AND YEAH. BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE DIRECTOR I THINK THAT THAT MAKES. IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MR. EDWARDS, YOU MAY HAVE INVITED THE DIRECTOR TO THE 24TH MEETING. AH, CORRECT. I GAVE HIM THE OPTIONS OF TONIGHT OR THE 24TH, AND THE 24TH WORK BETTER. SO, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER MEETING AN HOUR EARLIER ON THE 24TH? I DON'T KNOW IF FORMER MAYOR JABOR WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS US THAT DAY, BUT I'D CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO REACH OUT TO HIM. I WOULD.

BECAUSE THOSE TWO ISSUES ARE INTERTWINED IN A WAY GIVEN THE FORMER MAYOR'S KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE. BOTH THOSE ISSUES.

SO, IT WOULDN'T. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE HAVING THE LMCD PRESENT TO US AT NIGHT. MIGHT AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. I WILL REACH OUT TO HIM. IF THAT'S OKAY. IS THAT OKAY WITH STAFF IF WE WERE TO START AT 4 THAT DAY INSTEAD OF 5 NEXT WORK SESSION? YES. I DO THINK WE WILL POTENTIALLY TAKE UP THE ENTIRE, AT LEAST HOUR ON THE OTHER SUBJECTS AS WE'RE.

YEAH. STARTED PREPARING THAT I CAN MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WITH HIM THAT, THAT HE'S GOT FROM 4 TO 4 TO 5 AND THAT WE STOP THEN BECAUSE HE WILL TAKE THE FULL TWO HOURS IF HE TAKE THE WHOLE TIME. SO, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT KEEPS THE 28TH OPEN FOR YOUR DISCUSSION.

WHICH SOUNDS VERY INTERESTING TO ME AS WELL. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE JUST DONE A BIT OF A DIVE RECENTLY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT. AND ALSO AGAIN, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE DOING TO FACILITATE FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN HARVESTING, WHETHER IT BE SOLAR OR WIND.

THEN I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. COULD I JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION? WHAT LEVEL OF BRIEFING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THAT? BECAUSE WE COULD GO ONE THING IS WE COULD BEGIN THE TOPIC OF RENEWABLE ENERGY AS WE GO INTO OUR RENEWABLE ENERGY AND SUSTAINABILITY STUDY NEXT YEAR TYPE LEVEL. WE COULD SIMPLY JUST GIVE THE COUNCIL A BRIEFING ON THIS IS WHAT OUR CURRENT CODE SAYS. AND IF WE HAVE SOME TIME BEFORE THAT DATE, MAYBE GET A FEW COMPARISONS FROM NEIGHBORS THAT'D BE GOOD.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO LIKE A FULL DEEP DIVE INTO REPLICATING WHAT THE STUDY IS GOING TO DO FOR US FROM A HIGH LEVEL POLICY. NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OVERVIEW AND SOME EXAMPLES FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES WOULD BE EXCELLENT. YES. BECAUSE AGAIN, REQUESTS HAVE COME IN ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE AND I'M INTERESTED IN, IN UNDERSTANDING IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE AS A CITY COULD BE DOING IN THE INTERIM TO MAKE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW OPPORTUNITIES POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TYPE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY OR ARE WE BEING OVERLY RESTRICTIVE POTENTIALLY IN A WAY THAT OTHER CITIES ARE NOT? AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD AMEND. THAT'S MY QUESTION.

FOR THOSE VIEWING THE TAPE. WE JUST GOT A THUMBS UP FROM MS. OAKTON IN THE BACK. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO, WITH THAT, DO WE NEED TO APPROVE A REVISED WORK SCHEDULE? SUPPOSE WE DO, YES.

OR DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NOVEMBER? I THINK JUST IF I CAN TAKE THE GUIDANCE. AS LONG AS WE KNOW THAT WE'RE OKAY FOR AT THE NEXT,

[02:40:02]

COUNCIL REPORTS. ANYTHING TO I HAD JUSTIFIED. YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? JUST A COUPLE ADMIN UPDATES. ONE IS JUST A REMINDER. THE APPLICATION PERIOD IS STILL OPEN FOR THE CONFERENCE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE. OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAS SOME CONCERNS THAT WE MAY NOT GET A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS. SO, THAT IS STILL OUT THERE. SO, I PUT THAT OUT TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING, BUT ALSO TO OUR ELECTED LEADERS, IF YOU HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HELPING STEER THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THOSE FOLKS. WHEN IS THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLETION? SEPTEMBER 18TH. AND HOW MANY FOLKS DO WE NEED? IDEALLY EIGHT TO TEN. THE APPLICATION ON OUR WEBSITE. THANK YOU. AND THE SECOND ITEM IS JUST A REMINDER FOR EVERYBODY.

TOMORROW IS ELECTION DAY, SO THE POLLS WILL BE OPEN FROM 7AM TO 8PM AND SO THAT IS FOR THE PRIMARY ELECTION FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NOT BE REGISTERED. HOW DID THEY GO ABOUT DOING THAT? IF THERE'S ANY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FROM THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, IF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING WHO HAVE THAT QUESTION, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD, GIVEN THAT ELECTION DAY IS TOMORROW, TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT TOO LATE.

IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT REGISTERING, THEY CAN CHECK OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THERE, AND THEY CAN COME AND OUR TEAM WILL HELP THEM. YEP. WE'RE STAFFED WITH OUR STAFF, AS WELL AS VOLUNTEER ELECTION JUDGES. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I WOULD NOT WANT TO. POLLING PLACES ARE WHERE I SEE THE VOTING. YES, THIS IS ONE OF OUR POLLING PLACES.

AGAIN FOLKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF WHERE THEIR POLLING PLACE IS, AND THEY CAN ALSO GET THAT INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE. GREAT. OKAY.

ANY. YES, THE GOLF COURSE WAS A POTENTIAL TOPIC REQUEST, A PLACE TO CONSIDER THAT. WE DON'T HAVE OPENINGS NOW FOR THE NEXT, WHAT, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX MEETINGS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THERE WAS AN APPETITE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON.

YEAH, SO I THINK THERE IS AN APPETITE. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. I THINK WE WILL TRY TO SLOT THAT IN EITHER TO ONE OF OUR REMAINING MEETINGS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR. YEAH, WELL, YEAH, AND THANKS

[Mayor and Council Report]

AS YOU MENTIONED, MAYOR I TOO HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMEMBER RICKS AND CHIEF STENSRUD AND OTHER STAFF ABOUT FLOCK OR AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS COMING IN FROM OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. WE HEARD A PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT ON THE SAME SUBJECT. AND IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN VERY AWARE OF DUE TO COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS THAT I'VE RECEIVED.

AND I DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS REGARDING ALL THE ISSUES WITH DATA RETENTION AND HOW THE CAMERAS ARE BEING USED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AS WELL AS TAX DOLLARS BEING SPENT TO THIS CAPACITY.

SO, IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE AND IT'S, IT'S BALANCING PRIVACY WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS.

PUBLIC SAFETY IS. IS A CONCERN.

IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT CONCERNS.

IN THE CITY. SO, I DON'T TAKE ANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS LIGHTLY.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY, I KNOW MYSELF ON POLICE COMMISSION, ARE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT MORE ABOUT INCLUDING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TONIGHT. I DO KNOW THAT IS A TOOL THAT IS USED BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND ALL PRECAUTIONS ARE TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT FOLKS ARE NOT BEING SURVEILLED IN WAYS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF OUR POLICY.

AND TO THAT NOTE, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT HOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FIND OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THE USE OF THESE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS IN THE CITY OF ORONO. AND IT IS NOW LIVE ON THE CITY OF ORONO WEBSITE.

SO, IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, OUR POLICIES AROUND, OR HOW THOSE CAMERAS ARE BEING USED YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY OF ORONO WEBSITE UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT MORE.

[02:45:01]

SO, WE, WE DON'T TAKE THIS ISSUE LIGHTLY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AND I'M GLAD THAT THERE HAS BEEN PUBLIC COMMENT MADE ABOUT THIS. WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE. SO, CONTINUE TO BRING YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE NOTHING.

NOPE. I'LL TOUCH ON NIGHT TO UNITE THAT MAYOR TUNHEIM AND COUNCILMEMBER BENSON AND MYSELF DID A RIDE ALONG. THE MAYOR WAS WITH THE CHIEF AND COUNCILMEMBER BENSON AND I EACH HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE WITH DIFFERENT OFFICERS AND VISIT. I THINK WE EACH DID AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE PARTIES AND VISIT THE COMMUNITIES AND STUFF ALONG WITH SHORELINE FIRE, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A LOT OF FUN AND WE APPRECIATE PEOPLE INVITING US TO THEIR PARTIES AND GETTING TO TALK TO THE FOLKS. IT WAS A VERY NICE EVENING. I WOULD ECHO THOSE COMMENTS. IT WAS A REAL PLEASURE TO GET OUT AND MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT NIGHT AND ALSO TO REPRESENT THE SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AT THE CORN DAZE PARADE ON SATURDAY WAS A LOT OF FUN TOO. SO, I THINK I HEARD THE FIRE RELIEF ASSOCIATION BOUGHT SOMEWHERE AROUND $1,500 TO $2,000 WORTH OF CANDY. SO, I THINK THE DENTISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO BE VERY BUSY AFTER ALL THAT CANDY WAS DISTRIBUTED. I SAW KIDS WALKING AWAY WITH BIG BAGS OF CANDY. ANYWAY, IT WAS A REALLY FUN EVENT AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THOSE COMMUNITY EVENTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR GOALS THIS YEAR, IS TO. IS TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY.

AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILMEMBER RICKS HAS BEEN SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE AND IS COUNCILMEMBER SCHWINGLER ON THAT AS WELL. AND SO, APPRECIATE THE WORK THEY'RE DOING TO TRY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE CAN ALL ENJOY AND GET TOGETHER WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

SO, ANYWAY, I THINK WE'RE AMISS IN. IN MENTIONING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD THEIR PINNING CEREMONY THE DAY BEFORE NIGHT TO UNITE. AND THE THREE OF US WERE THERE WITH COUNCILMEMBER PERSIAN AS WELL.

AND THAT WAS QUITE AN EVENING.

IT'S NOT OFTEN YOU GET TO SEE THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT PINNED IN ONE EVENING. SO, THAT WAS THAT WAS VERY NICE TO ATTEND.

AND IT WAS WELL, WELL ATTENDED.

SO, YEAH, OUR, OUR BOARD CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER PERSIAN, WAS ABLE TO PIN THE CHIEF. THE CHIEF THEN PINNED THE DEPUTY. THE DEPUTY THEN PINNED THE CAPTAINS. CAPTAINS. CAPTAINS THEN PINNED THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT. YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN THE LIEUTENANT AND THEN INCLUDING THE, THE LAST RUNG, WHICH WAS THE FOUR PROBATIONARY FIREFIGHTERS.

SO, IT REALLY WAS FOR FUN. AND IT'S VERY REWARDING TO SEE THAT DEPARTMENT DO AS WELL AS IT'S DOING. AND AFTER ALL THE YEARS OF CONSTERNATION IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT REALLY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE COMING TOGETHER.

AND SO, THAT'S REALLY FUN. IT WAS REALLY FUN NIGHT TO SEE THAT COME TOGETHER.

ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE MEETING? IF NOT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SIR, A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:50.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.