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          ALL RIGHT, 
          [Roll Call]
PLEASE JOIN YOUR COUNCIL IN PLEDGING ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 
          WE ARE PLEASED AT THE VERY FRONT END OF THIS COUNCIL MEETING TO... 
          [1) Oath of Office - Police Chief]
ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE TO OUR NEW CHIEF OF POLICE. 
          SO I'LL ASK EDWARDS TO INTRODUCE IT. 
          DISTINGUISHED GUESTS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF ORONO CHIEF OF POLICE SWEARING-IN CEREMONY. 
          TODAY WE WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE AND CONDUCT A BADGE CEREMONY FOR OUR NEW CHIEF OF POLICE. 
          TODAY'S HONOREE IS CHIEF CHAD STENSRUD. 
          MAYOR BOB THUNHEIM WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE. 
          SINCE THE CITY OF ORONO WAS CREATED IN 1889, WE'VE HAD DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE WILLING TO ANSWER THE CALL TO SERVE THE FURTHEST THAT HAS SERVED THE PEACE. 
          IN THE EARLY DAYS, THIS FUNCTION WAS PERFORMED BY CONSTABLES. 
          HOWEVER, SINCE 1962, THAT FUNCTION HAS FALLEN TO THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          TODAY, THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO SERVES THE COMMUNITIES OF MINNETONKA BEACH, SPRING PARK, AND MOUND. 
          THE DEPARTMENT PRIDES ITSELF ON MAKING THE COMMUNITIES IT SERVES FEEL SAFE. 
          NOT JUST THROUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS, BUT BY BUILDING STRONG, LASTING RELATIONSHIPS WITH CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. 
          THE FIRST PART OF TODAY'S CEREMONY CONSISTS OF AN OATH OF OFFICE. 
          SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THEIR STATE, AND THE LAWS OF THEIR AGENCY'S JURISDICTION. 
          THE SWEARING-IN OF AN OATH INDICATES THE HIGH LEVEL OF PUBLIC TRUST THE OFFICERS ASSUME AND REFLECTS THEIR DEDICATION TO THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE. 
          IN THE SECOND PART OF THE CEREMONY, THE OFFICERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR BADGE. 
          THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BADGE, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT INSIGNIA, SYMBOLIZES THE AUTHORITY THAT IS ENTRUSTED TO THEM. 
          THE POLICE BADGE IS A SYMBOL OF AUTHORITY, RESPECT, INTEGRITY, AND TRUST. 
          IT REPRESENTS THE WILLINGNESS TO SACRIFICE ONE'S OWN SAFETY TO ASSIST OTHERS, AND IT IS A SYMBOL AND A PROMISE TO UPHOLD THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE WILL NOW ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE. 
          THE MAYOR WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH AND I ASK THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND CHIEF STENSRUD TO PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          JOINING CHIEF STENSRUD AT THE FRONT ARE HIS WIFE ANGIE AND SONS JACK AND LUKE. 
          SO HE'LL NOW RECEIVE HIS BADGE, WHICH I GUESS HE ALREADY DID. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CHIEF STENSRUD. 
          CHIEF STENSRUD BEGAN HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER AND SERVICE WITH THE CITY OF ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 2004. 
          HE SERVED IN VARYING ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE NEXT 18 YEARS, INCLUDING PATROL OFFICER, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, DRUG TASK FORCE OFFICER, INVESTIGATOR, AND SERGEANT. 
          FROM 2022 TO 2026, HE SERVED AS A CAPTAIN WITH THE ROBBINSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          CHAD HOLDS A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE FROM WINONA STATE, A MASTER'S DEGREE IN LEADERSHIP FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ST. 
          THOMAS, AND IS A GRADUATE OF THE FBI'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CHIEF CHAD STENSRUD. 
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS CONCLUDES OUR CEREMONY. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE HOSTING A RECEPTION IN THE OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          TO CHIEF STENSRUD, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          WELCOME BACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL, WE COULDN'T BE MORE PLEASED TO HAVE CHIEF STENSRUD TAKING OVER. 
          BIG SHOES TO FILL. 
          WE'VE GOT OUR NOW RETIRED... 
          RETIRED CHIEF OF POLICE HERE TONIGHT TO RECOGNIZE THIS AS WELL. 
          BUT WE ARE SO HAPPY TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A VARIETY OF ROLES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, PLUS SOME EXPERIENCE AT ANOTHER POLICE FORCE. 
          AND SO WE WELCOME YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY MANY YEARS OF SERVING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [Consent Agenda]
SO WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE, WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITH NO DISCUSSION UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF REQUESTS THE ITEM BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND ACTION. 
          TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE AS FOLLOWS. 
          CITY COUNCIL MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING. 
          CLAIMS AND BILLS, APPOINTMENT OF AN INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR AND HIRING OF A TEMPORARY FINANCE ASSISTANT, HIRING SEASONAL EMPLOYEE, SOLICITOR TIME EXTENSION, FIREWORKS DISPLAY FOR JUNE 19TH, FINAL PLAT FOR 2420 FOX STREET, THAT'S RESOLUTION 7686, AND APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE FOR 1520 BONES POINT ROAD. 
          THAT'S RESOLUTION 7687. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, HAVE THINGS TO ADD OR TO PULL OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? HEARING NONE, I WOULD FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          [10) County Commissioner Updates]
AND NOW WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE WITH US OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER, HEATHER EDELSON. 
          THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          WELL, IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU. 
          LIKEWISE. 
          I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT MS. EDELSON POINTED OUT TO ME THAT IT'S HER ANNIVERSARY TONIGHT, SO WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU TOO LONG, BUT APPRECIATE YOU COMING. 
          YES, 18 YEARS I'VE BEEN MARRIED, YOU GUYS. 
          A FEW OF US. 
          A FEW OF US. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LOOT ME. 
          KEEP IT. 
          AND THERE IT IS. 
          52 IS 158. 
          158. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          YEAH, SO 1858 IS WHEN THE STATE WAS ESTABLISHED. 
          WE HAVE 45 CITIES, 1.3 MILLION RESIDENTS, 100-PLUS LAKES AND RIVERS, AND LAKE MINNETONKA WAS THE LARGEST IN OUR DISTRICT, EIGHT FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES, WHICH WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE MORE, 607 SQUARE MILES, AND 11 WATERSHED DISTRICTS. 
          AND THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS, I HAD MY STAFF DO THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HENNEPIN 
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COUNTY DOES SO MUCH, AND IF YOU WANT TO JUST KIND OF GLANCE AT THIS, I SAW THESE WORD CLOUDS AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE REALLY... 
          WELL, I'M PROBABLY BACK LIKE FIVE YEARS ON THIS, BUT WE DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND SOME OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK RESIDENTS OFTEN THINK OF, LIKE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE EATING AT A RESTAURANT, OUR PUBLIC HEALTH IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT RESTAURANT IS SAFE TO EAT AT. 
          POOLS IN HATTIEBURN COUNTY, ALL PUBLIC POOLS ARE ALL INSPECTED BY OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, SO MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE A SAFE POOL TO SWIM IN. 
          THINKING ABOUT, WE HAVE THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          WE DO WATER PATROL ON LAKE MINNETONKA. 
          WE HAVE DOCUMENTS AND LICENSING. 
          SO MANY THINGS HAPPEN IN HENNEPIN COUNTY, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS CONNECT EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES. 
          BUT BETWEEN CITIES, THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S KEEPING THE GLUE TOGETHER. 
          AND A LOT OF OUR FUNDING, WE'LL KEEP, LET'S KEEP GOING. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NUMBERS FOR A WHILE. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO A LOT OF FUNDING COMES FROM STATE AND THIS IS THE REVENUE. 
          SO STATE AND FEDERAL YOU'LL SEE, OH GOOD I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHERE DO YOU GUYS LOOK? OH WE'RE DOWN HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OH YOU'RE ALWAYS DOWN HERE. 
          GOOD. 
          SO STATE AND FEDERAL YOU'LL SEE IS A MIX. 
          WE HAVE SOME OF OUR PATIENT CARE THAT'S IN THERE. 
          THEN PROPERTY TAXES YOU'LL SEE IS A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF WHAT OUR FUNDING COMES TO. 
          FROM. 
          AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU A FEW DIFFERENT GRAPHS SO YOU CAN SEE HOW PROPERTY TAXES HAVE BEEN INCREASING OVER THE YEARS, WHICH I'M SURE ALL THE RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT. 
          SO LET'S KEEP GOING. 
          SO THE REVENUE, AND THEN THESE ARE THE LINES OF BUSINESS WHERE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MONEY COMING IN, THE MONEY GOING OUT, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IS 48% OF OUR BUDGET, HUGE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE DO. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WAIVERS. 
          AND CHILD PROTECTION AND ELDERLY ASSISTANCE THAT WE HAVE, VULNERABLE ADULT PROTECTION. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO, BUT THAT'S ALSO ECONOMIC SUPPORT, SNAP, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          BUT THEN YOU HAVE RESIDENT SERVICES. 
          THOSE ARE OUR LIBRARIES AND PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH WILL BE UNDER NORTHARM AND THE DISCUSSION YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT LATER. 
          CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND WE'LL SEE THAT THAT INVESTMENT IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN BECAUSE, AS WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IN GOVERNMENT, WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE PERIOD OF ABUNDANCE. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE ABUNDANCE. 
          AND SO CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WILL REFLECT THAT. 
          THE LAW, SAFETY, AND JUSTICE AS WELL, WHICH IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE SHERIFF. 
          BUT WE HAVE ALSO THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER, WHICH WE, THE COUNTY, OPERATE, AND ALSO THE ADULT CORRECTIONAL FACILITY IN PLYMOUTH, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT, BUT ALSO PROBATION. 
          WE ON PROBATION ANY GIVEN DAY IF YOU COME DOWN TO HENNEPIN COUNTY WHERE MY OFFICE IS DOWNTOWN BUILDING BY THE WAY IS SHAPED LIKE AN H. 
          DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT? YOU GUYS ARE VERY SMART BUNCH. 
          I DID NOT KNOW IT WHEN I GOT THERE BUT I PROBATION AT ANY GIVEN POINT WE HAVE ABOUT 23,000 RESIDENTS IN HENNEPIN COUNTY THAT ARE RECEIVING PROBATION. 
          ALL RIGHT, AND WE CAN KEEP GOING I KNOW THIS IS VERY SMALL, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL AND I OF COURSE DON'T HAVE MY GRADES. 
          ALL RIGHT SO THIS ONE HERE IS THE GRAPH OH I DON'T HAVE IT UM SO THIS ONE IS THE UH REVENUE COMING IN SO THE PROPERTY TAXES THERE WE GO PROPERTY TAXES IF YOU'LL LOOK OVER 2024 IS THE DARK BLUE 2020 UM THE LIGHT BLUE IS 2025 AND THEN THE DARK UH THE GREEN IS 2026. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE OBVIOUSLY THAT TREND IS ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY WHICH IS CONCERNING FOR RESIDENTS. 
          IT WAS CONCERNING FOR ME AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGETS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          I'VE BEEN AT THE COUNTY NOW FOR TWO YEARS. 
          AND SO I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THIS TREND CANNOT CONTINUE. 
          IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE. 
          WE ARE GOING TO START PRICING PEOPLE IN A PLACE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO SUSTAIN PEOPLE AGING IN PLACE OR PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME BASED SPECIFICALLY ON PROPERTY TAXES ALONE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT IN OUR STATE OR IN COUNTY. 
          SO WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW. 
          USUALLY WE HAVE OUR TRUTH IN TAXATION PROCESS BUDGET PROCESS STARTS CLOSER INTO OCTOBER, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING EARLY BUDGET PROCESS WE HAVE A LOT OF ATTRITION. 
          WE'RE HOLDING SEATS OR WE'RE HOLDING POSITIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING NEW HIRES WE HAVE GONE FROM A COUNTY THAT EMPLOYS ABOUT 10,000 AND WHERE I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE UNDER I THINK WE MIGHT EVEN ACTUALLY BE IN THE UPPER 8,000 RIGHT NOW SO A LOT OF ATTRITION TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN SAVE BUT THERE'S THINGS LIKE CHILD PROTECTION. 
          YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NO ATTRITION THERE, RIGHT? WE NEED TO MAKE SURE KIDS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO TRY TO INTERVENE WITH SOME OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, QUITE FRANKLY. 
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I THINK RESIDENTS CARE ABOUT ACCESS TO SERVICES, AND WE ALL BENEFIT WHEN RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO SERVICES. 
          BUT WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTY TAXES, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT BALANCE, THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET. 
          GOOD NEWS IS WE GOT MONEY FOR THE HOSPITAL. 
          I THINK WE'VE ALL KIND OF BEEN HEARING ABOUT THAT ON THE NEWS. 
          WE GOT $700 MILLION FOR THAT, WHICH IS REALLY POSITIVE. 
          AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          OUR FEES FOR SERVICE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WENT UP, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE REAL ID, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT DEADLINE SHOT UP. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE CAN KEEP GOING. 
          TO EXPENDITURES, OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, IS LAW, SAFETY, AND JUSTICE. 
          WE HAD A DEBATE ABOUT THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, OR MAYBE IT WAS A MONTH AGO, BUT THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET IS GOING UP. 
          THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET IS GOING TO GO UP, AND SHE CAN'T CONTROL THAT, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          WE DON'T GET TO CONTROL WHO GOES INTO OUR JAILS. 
          HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS IS OFFICERS ARREST OR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL ARREST SOMEONE. 
          THEY COME INTO OUR JAIL, AND WE ARE, OUR COSTS ARE UP FOR OUR JAIL. 
          THEY'LL COME INTO OUR JAIL. 
          THE SHERIFF DOES NOT DECIDE WHEN SOMEBODY LEAVES THE JAIL. 
          IT'S THE COURT SYSTEM. 
          AND SO IN HENNEPIN COUNTY, WHILE WE PROVIDE THE SPACE FOR THE COURTS, WE DO NOT, THE JUDGES DON'T WORK FOR THE COUNTY. 
          THE JUDGES WORK FOR THE STATE. 
          AND SO LOOKING AT HOW THAT WORKS, I THINK THERE'S SOME DEBATE ON, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF... 
          PHILOSOPHY LOOKS JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ALL DON'T PROBABLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. 
          I JUST, I WILL SAY THAT I WILL BE DOING, I'D BE VERY ADAMANT ON PROTECTING THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE. 
          BUT HEALTH, YOU'LL SEE THAT COSTS HAVE GONE UP THERE. 
          AND THEN HUMAN SERVICES, I MEAN, IT FLUCTUATES, BUT THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST BUDGETS. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, I THINK IT'S LIKE SOBER. 
          IT'S, IT. 
          WAS UP REALLY HIGH IN 2025, AND THEN IT WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN 2026 BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING LESS INVESTMENTS WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. 
          SO WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          PROPERTY TAXES. 
          HERE, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL SEE FOR A NET CHANGE FOR ORONO. 
          SPECIFICALLY, IT'S 11.3% NOW. 
          HOW THE STATE TAXES WORK, AND I SWEAR YOU NEED A PHD IN LOOKING AT EXACTLY HOW PROPERTY SEXIST WORK SO IT'S NOT JUST OH MUCH WE ARE TAXING, BUT THE PERCENTAGE OF DISTRICT 6 IN WHAT WE PAY BASED ON THE STATE AUTHORITY, WHICH I THINK IS, IS THAT 1.25? WELL, THAT'S FINE. 
          SO WE PAY A BIGGER PORTION OF THE PIE BASED ON IF YOU HAVE HOMES WORTH $500,000 OR MORE, THEN WE'RE PAYING A BIGGER PORTION OF THE PIE. 
          OUR DISTRICT IN OVERALL, IN DISTRICT 6, A LOT OF THE HOMES. 
          I WOULD SAY MORE THAN HALF ARE WORTH $500,000 OR MORE. 
          SO WE ARE PAYING A BIGGER PORTION OF THE PIE FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY. 
          AND THEN FEEL FREE, IF YOU HAVE COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME THROUGHOUT TO INTERRUPT ME, BUT I'LL KEEP GOING. 
          I JUST WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT SOME CUTS THAT WE ARE FACING. 
          THIS IS 2026. 
          THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR. 
          WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY, BUT THE GRANTS WERE TERMINATED. 
          SO SNAP FOOD SECURITY WE WERE CUT 8 MILLION AND THEN TERMINATED GRANTS FOR SHELTER WAS 2.8 MILLION. 
          THESE ARE ANTICIPATED CUTS THAT WE ARE EXPECTING STARTING IN JANUARY. 
          SO SNAP WE HAVE ABOUT 20 MILLION. 
          WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO REDUCE THIS AMOUNT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WITH THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. 
          THE SNAP AIR RATE IS A COMPLEX SYSTEM BUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ESSENTIALLY IS FOR OTHER STATES IN THE UNITED STATES, THE STATE MIGHT ADMINISTER SNAP THEMSELVES, THAT BEING OUR FOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          IN MINNESOTA, ALL THE COUNTIES ADMINISTER SNAP FOR THE STATE. 
          AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT ALL OF, SO WHAT YOU SAW WAS THE $8 MILLION CUT WAS A CUT FOR ADMINISTRATION. 
          WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP THE SAME STAFF IN HENNEPIN COUNTY, BUT WE DO NOT GET THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST. 
          THAT'S HOW MUCH WE WERE CUT WAS $8 MILLION. 
          SO WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING THIS. 
          BUT WE WERE CUT THAT. 
          NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          SO A SNAP ERROR RATE IS WHEN SOMEBODY COMES INTO OUR SYSTEM AND THEY SAY, THIS IS WHAT MY SALARY IS, OR THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY I MAKE IN AN HOUR, THIS IS HOW MANY HOURS I'VE WORKED. 
          AND THEY SAY, THIS IS WHAT MY INCOME IS. 
          SO THEN WE CALCULATE, HENNEPIN COUNTY DOES, CALCULATES HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD GET FOR FOOD BENEFITS. 
          NOW, AVERAGE IS ABOUT $5 A DAY FOR PEOPLE THAT COME IN. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON HOW MUCH MONEY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU QUALIFY. 
          SO THE ERROR RATE IS, IS IT MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT THE PERSON... 
          REPORTS AND WE DON'T HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS THROUGH METS WHICH IS AN ARCHAICALLY OLD SYSTEM. 
          THE LEGISLATURE JUST ADDRESSED IT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT STILL BUT THAT'S A SYSTEM WHERE YOU PUT DATA IN IT'S LIKE A BLACK HOLE IT GOES AWAY AND MAYBE A MONTH LATER WE'LL HEAR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE RIGHT DATA AND THAT HAS ACCESS TO SOMEONE'S TAX RETURN IF THEY'RE FILING. 
          BUT IT'S THE ERROR RATE. 
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SO WE ARE AT ABOUT 11%. 
          THEY WANT IT UNDER 6%. 
          AND SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, BUT IT MEANS BIG MONEY FOR US. 
          $20 MILLION IS A LOT. 
          A LEVY POINT IN HENNEPIN COUNTY IS $10 MILLION. 
          SO THAT MEANS HOW MUCH YOUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP. 
          IT WAS 7.79 WAS THE LEVY POINTS THAT WE WENT UP LAST YEAR. 
          SO IMAGINE THAT'S TWO LEVY POINTS JUST FOR THAT. 
          IT'S A LOT. 
          SO HUD, HOUSING SECURITY, SO THIS IS FOR PERMANENT HOUSING SUPPORTS. 
          THIS IS PEOPLE WITH COMPLEX MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT ALSO HAVE DISABILITIES. 
          WE ARE BEING CUT $12 MILLION. 
          I WAS AT A CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AND I SAW SECRETARY RONNIE KRANTZ THERE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OF HUD. 
          AND I SAID, SECRETARY, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          WE HAD A FEW EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S OVERUSE OF HUD RESOURCES. 
          FOR PEOPLE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY, THIS HAS MADE OUR ER VISITS GO DOWN. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE REAL SUCCESS IN. 
          SO WE'RE TRULY CONCERNED. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE PROGRAM OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT IT. 
          AND THEN MEDICAID, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR HENNEPIN COUNTY CLINICS IS $27 MILLION IS PROJECTION. 
          NOW THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WITH HCMC. 
          THAT, AND BY THE WAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, 3.15 BYE. 
          BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET THAT WE HAVE. 
          HCMC IS A 1.7 BILLION DOLLAR OPERATION OF ITS OWN. 
          THESE TWO ARE NOT FINANCED TOGETHER. 
          IT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY. 
          SO THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT AMOUNT FOR MEDICAID CUTS THAT IT'S LOOKING AT. 
          BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS 27 MILLION. 
          SO COMPLICATIONS IN A ROUGH YEAR AHEAD FOR SURE. 
          ALRIGHT SO HERE'S THE MEDICAL CENTER. 
          WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE RECEIVED THE 205 MILLION WE'LL BE GETTING THIS YEAR, WE GET 50 MILLION IN ABOUT A WEEK, WHICH IS POSITIVE. 
          WE HAVE MADE SOME CUTS. 
          THERE WAS SOME USE OF ATTRITION BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL STRESS THAT WE WERE UNDER. 
          I AM VERY OPPOSED TO ATTRITION IN A HOSPITAL. 
          IT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA. 
          WHAT A COUNTY CAN DO IS NOT WHAT A HOSPITAL CAN DO. 
          THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT MODELS. 
          AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE HIRING AGAIN, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS. 
          I THINK THERE'S STABILITY. 
          WE'VE LOST A LOT OF REALLY GOOD DOCTORS AND NURSES, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE OF THE INSTABILITY OF THE SYSTEM. 
          SO WE ARE A LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER. 
          TO BE A LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT IS COMPLEX. 
          NOW, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, HENNEPIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN THE HOSPITAL BOARD FOR BACK. 
          AND I WAS A NO ON THIS WHEN WE, I WAS THE ONLY NO ON TAKING OVER THE HOSPITAL. 
          AND THE REASON WHY IS JUST THE LIABILITY THAT IN THE DANGER TO TAXPAYERS IF THIS WAS TO GO WRONG. 
          AND ALSO THAT WE COULDN'T COMMIT TO A ONE YEAR. 
          I DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE LONGER THAN A YEAR. 
          SO, I MEAN, THE GOOD NEWS IS BY JANUARY, THE LEGISLATURE SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A BOARD ESTABLISHED AND WE DO HAVE MONEY. 
          SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE'RE PROVEN WRONG. 
          I'M HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG. 
          KEEP GOING HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I HOPE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT. 
          LET'S SEE, CITY MANAGER? OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THEY'RE OKAY. 
          ADAM, MAKING SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE APPLYING FOR THIS $9,000, SO YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          HENNEPIN COUNTY, BECAUSE OF THE COST OF EARLY VOTING, WE UNDERSTAND WITH SOME OF THE LAW CHANGES, WE'LL BE DOING THAT. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE, AS A COUNTY, CAN WORK TO ADDRESS VOTING AND THE COST OF VOTING. 
          BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO VOTE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST OF VOTING AND MAINTAINING SUCH AN EARLY, LONG PERIOD TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN TO VOTE CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING FOR EARLY VOTING. 
          SO, 9,000, YOU'RE APPLYING FOR IT, GREAT NEWS, WE CAN KEEP GOING. 
          SO WE HAVE THE YOUTH CRISIS STABILIZATION CENTER, THIS WAS JUST OPENED UP IN DECEMBER 2025. 
          THIS WAS ABOUT A $15 MILLION INVESTMENT, 13 BEDS, 24-7 CARE, YOU MIGHT SAY 13 BEDS, $15 MILLION, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          BUT THE PAYOFF IS ACTUALLY QUITE IMMENSE. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT, WHEN WE'RE IN CUSTODY OF YOUTH, SO SAY FOR INSTANCE, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          A PARENT CALLS AND SAYS, I CAN'T, I SIMPLY CAN'T DO IT AGAIN. 
          SHE'S CALLED THE POLICE MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          HER MAYBE DAUGHTER HAS VIOLENT OUTBURSTS, BUT ALSO HAS A VERY, SHE HAS SEVERAL WORKING TOGETHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS AND A VERY MEDICAL COMPLEX CASE. 
          IN SOME OF THESE INSTANCES, THEY WERE GOING TO THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER. 
          NOW, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO, IT WAS PEOPLE, IF YOU GOT CAUGHT DRINKING AND DRIVING, OR SORRY, UNDERAGE DRINKING, YOU COULD GO TO THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER. 
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THAT IS NOT WHO GOES THERE ANYMORE. 
          WHO GOES TO THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER ARE VIOLENT. 
          CHILDREN THAT HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES. 
          SO WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED MURDER, RAPE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THERE'S USUALLY ONLY 8 TO 15 PEOPLE IN THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER. 
          WE NEED A PLACE FOR THEM. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING, IF YOU'RE NOT VIOLENT IN THE WAY THAT'S REALLY IN THE SAME WAY AS SOMEBODY THAT'S ACTUALLY COMMITTING CRIME LEVEL AGGRAVATION, THEN YOU DON'T WANT THEM IN THE SAME SPACES. 
          SO THIS, AND THEN WHEN WE WERE IN CUSTODY, WHEN THEY TURNED THEM OVER TO US, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE WHERE THE MOM HAS CALLED MULTIPLE TIMES AND THE CHILD'S GOING TO THE HOSPITAL AND THAT'S WHERE CHILDREN WOULD GO IS CONSTANTLY TO THE HOSPITAL, CONSTANTLY TO THE HOSPITAL, MAYBE GET ADMITTED. 
          IF THEY DON'T GET ADMITTED, THEY'RE GOING TO THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER. 
          IF THEY BECOME IN THE CUSTODY OF HENNEPIN COUNTY, WHAT WE OFTEN WOULD DO IS SEND THEM TO ANOTHER STATE. 
          AND DO YOU KNOW THE COST WOULD END UP BEING MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND THEY WERE AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY AND WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE COSTS. 
          WE CAN'T TURN THEM AWAY. 
          IT'S STATE AND FEDERAL LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM. 
          SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY, GOSH, WHAT'S HAPPENING, OUR TAXES ARE GOING UP, SOMETIMES IT'S BECAUSE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS THAT THEY'VE PASSED ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE CARE. 
          SO JUST KNOW THAT NOT ALWAYS WE CAN FIX IT. 
          AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WHEN WE INVESTED IN THIS AND WE BUILT IT, TURNED IT AROUND RATHER QUICKLY, IT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT INVESTMENT. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE. 
          WHERE IS THIS LOCATED? IT'S LOCATED AT THE 1800 CHICAGO BUILDING THAT ONE OF THE RESIDENTS OR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE OWN. 
          WE HAVE A REHAB. 
          TREATMENT THERE AS WELL. 
          BUT THIS ACTUALLY HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE FOR YOUTH. 
          WE MADE SURE IT HAS OUTSIDE SPACES OF A FORMER THERAPIST, AND SO I WAS VERY MUCH GIVING MY TWO CENTS IN THIS. 
          BUT IT'S REALLY QUITE A REMARKABLE SPACE, AND FAMILIES ARE ABLE TO COME AND VISIT WITH THEIR CHILDREN. 
          THEY'RE ABLE TO DO FAMILY THERAPY AS WELL AS INTENSIVE THERAPY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, AND WE'RE SEEING GREAT RESULTS. 
          WE CAN KEEP GOING. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NEW PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTERS, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN PLYMOUTH, I'M GOING TO BE DOING TOURS THIS SUMMER AGAIN. 
          LAST SUMMER WE WENT TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS. 
          SO PLEASE DO, I'LL SEND AN EMAIL, WE'LL BE SENDING AN EMAIL OUT ONCE I WRAP UP MY LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SO I THINK THAT'S IN LIKE A MONTH. 
          AND I HAVE BEAT KEVIN ANDERSON. 
          NO COMPETITION, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF ONE, OTHERWISE IT GETS BORING. 
          OKAY, SO YEAH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, I'M GOING TO HAVE A ROSTER OF WHICH ONES YOU WOULD LIKE TO TOUR, AND THEN WE'LL GO LOOK AT IT. 
          SO WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF AND ALL OF THE DEPUTIES ARE VERY EXCITED. 
          THERE'S A NICE SLEEP ROOM. 
          THEY WORK A LOT. 
          THEY NEED SOME BREAKS. 
          OKAY, SO THE ORONO AREA INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. 
          WE HAVE THE NORTH SHORE DRIVE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION. 
          SO THAT'S A MINOR THING, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT. 
          RESERVE THE ROADS. 
          WE HAVE THE BROWN ROAD BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG MATZO BALL AND THAT'S IN 2028. 
          SO THAT WILL BE INTERESTING. 
          AND I KNOW, MAYOR, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT THE ARCOLA BRIDGE, I THINK, IS SCHEDULED FOR 2030. 
          THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY CHALLENGING FOR RESIDENTS, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO BE IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION ON FIGURING OUT THE BEST WAYS. 
          I WAS JUST TALKING TO LISA CERNY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT HERE YET. 
          BUT UM, OH YEAH, SHE'S HERE. 
          SHE'S HERE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          BUT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, I'M LIKE, LISA, CAN WE BUILD A BRIDGE RIGHT NEXT TO IT? SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THE DETOUR OF GETTING AROUND WITHOUT USING THE ARCOLA BRIDGE. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SHORELINE DRIVE BRIDGE AND PAVEMENT PRESERVATION. 
          WHAT'S THE BNSF RAILWAY BRIDGE THAT'S REFERENCED THERE? REALLY GLAD YOU'RE HERE. 
          THIS IS THE ONE AREA OF POLICY THAT I'M ALWAYS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY ROADS. 
          I DON'T KNOW SO I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE BNSF RAILWAY BRIDGE THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR NEXT YEAR ALONG COUNTY ROAD 15 MAYOR IS THAT THE TRAIL BRIDGE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT NEXT TO THE ARCOLA BRIDGE. 
          OH, YES, THAT ONE. 
          OKAY, GOOD, GOOD. 
          WELL, I THINK IT MIGHT MEAN THE ONE, THERE'S ONE IN, WELL, IF IT'S, YEAH, IF IT'S IN ORONO, THAT WOULD BE. 
          I WOULD ASSUME IT'S IF THEY'RE DOING THE ARCOLA. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S IN 2030, SO THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME A 
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LITTLE BIT. 
          ANYWAY. 
          ALSO THE BNSF BRIDGE RIGHT BEFORE. 
          COUNTY ROAD 15 DUMPS ONTO HIGHWAY 12. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GO OVER AND OVERPASS OVER THE RAILROAD. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALMOST DONE, YOU GUYS. 
          CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS WEBSITE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN JUST CLICK AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE, WE HAVE NORTH ARM, WHICH I KNOW IS BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT, AND SO I WILL LET LISA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER ELLISON, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LAST YEAR, OR I'VE SEEN THE STATISTIC, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THIS HANDY, BUT HOW MUCH, HOW MANY TAX DOLLARS GO IN TO THE COUNTY FROM YOUR DISTRICT VERSUS HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DOLLARS COME BACK INTO THE DISTRICT? IS THAT A STATISTIC YOU CAN APPROXIMATE OR MIGHT BE A FOLLOW-UP? YEAH, I DON'T, I WOULD HAVE TO. 
          I JUST HAVE THIS IMPRESSION THAT A LOT MORE LEAVES THE DISTRICT THAN COMES BACK. 
          WOULD THAT BE A FAIR STATEMENT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'M SURE THAT THAT IS TRUE. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS IT'S COMPLICATED, RIGHT? WHAT THE COUNTY... 
          THE COUNTY IS REALLY LOOKING AT NEED, RIGHT? AND WE'RE A SAFETY NET. 
          SO EVERY GOVERNMENT, SO WE'RE PART OF THIS LARGER COUNTY. 
          SO IF WE DON'T INVEST MORE IN, SAY, A CERTAIN PART OF MINNEAPOLIS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT AS A WHOLE? OUR RESIDENTS MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH IN NEED OF CERTAIN SERVICES AS OTHER PARTS, BUT THEY'RE STILL ENTITLED TO HAVE THOSE SERVICES BASED ON STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. 
          AND SO, YES, I MEAN, IT IS. 
          I WISH STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD FUND THE NEEDS IN THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD IF THEY MANDATE IT. 
          BUT I THINK AS A SOCIETY, I MEAN, THE COUNTY IS THE SAFETY NET. 
          WE'RE THAT PART OF GOVERNMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, CITIES ARE MAKING SURE THAT YOUR ROADS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MAKING SURE YOUR WATER QUALITY IS GOOD. 
          AND, I MEAN, OF COURSE, THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CITIES DO. 
          STATES ARE PASSING LAWS THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          ARE REALLY PICKING UP THE SPACE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, A CITY COULDN'T, LIKE IMAGINE IF WE SAID HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, CHILD PROTECTION, WAIVERS AND ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, AT CITIES YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT ON YOUR OWN. 
          YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT. 
          IN MINNEAPOLIS, WE WOULD BE FUNDING IT THROUGH THE STATE THEN BECAUSE THAT'S OUR METROPOLITAN AREA. 
          SO EVERY STATE AND EVERY COUNTY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES IS SET UP THIS WAY. 
          WHERE WEALTHIER COUNTIES ARE ENDING UP PAYING MORE, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO SAY, WHERE ARE THE NEEDS? IT'S NOT THE SAME, AND IT'S ALSO, I WOULD JUST SAY TOO, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IN CITY TERMS, WHEN THERE ARE SOME HOMES THAT ARE WORTH A LOT MORE THAN OTHER HOMES, AND SOME AREAS THAT CALL 911 SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S THERE, THE RESOURCES ARE GOING MUCH MORE TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY. 
          TO THE OTHER ONE, BUT YOU DON'T SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW THAT YOU USE THOSE RESOURCES, YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE. 
          RIGHT? IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          IT'S A PART OF THE OPERATION OF GOVERNMENT. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO SKIRT THAT. 
          IT'S TRUE. 
          WE BY FAR PAY MORE TAXES THAN ANY OTHER DISTRICT, IN PROPORTION OF THE PIE AS WELL. 
          QUESTIONS? I'M WONDERING IF THE COUNTY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO FUND THE EMBEDDED SOCIAL WORKER. 
          WE HAVE A NEW POLICE CHIEF HERE IN ORONO, AND THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN VERY MUCH NEEDED. 
          AND I KNOW ONE OF THE... 
          ISSUES THAT COME UP IN EVERY POLICE COMMISSION MEETING IS THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS FUNDING WITH ACCOUNTING FOR THE SHARED POSITION. 
          ABSOLUTELY, COUNCILMAN. 
          WE 100% BELIEVE IN THE GREAT PROGRAM, AND IT'S WORKING REALLY WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. 
          GO CELEBRATE YOUR ANNIVERSARY. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME AWAY FROM THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW LONG HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN MARRIED? WHAT'S THE BIGGEST NUMBER? BEEN MARRIED? 36. 
          ALMOST 41. 
          OKAY. 
          THE MAYOR WON. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LIKE NOT A COMPETITION, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT. 
          IT'S FUN WHEN IT IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          NOW IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS. 
          YOUR CITY COUNCIL, AND I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, IF YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE YET TO TALK ABOUT, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT, RATHER THAN DURING THOSE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
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SO, WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I'VE SEEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YES. 
          WELL, LET'S OBVIOUSLY, I FLAT OUT DISAGREE WITH QUITE A FEW OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD BY COUNTY COMMISSIONER. 
          $240 MILLION ARE COLLECTED IN DISTRICT 6 AND $80 MILLION IN DISTRICT 1. 
          SO YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY GOES. 
          AND MAYOR, YOU PERSONALLY HAD TO WORK YOUR TAIL OFF. 
          TO GET THE $5,000 THAT WE WERE BRAGGING ABOUT TO FIX THE GATE BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD, WHICH IS OLD, HIGHWAY 12, AND THE BYPASS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE REALLY, NOT TRYING TO KNOCK THEM DOWN, TRYING TO SAY, DON'T TRUST YOUR FUTURE AND BUDGET-BASED WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THEM. 
          I'M GRATEFUL TO YOU, MAYOR, FOR CALLING ME ABOUT 20 MINUTES BEFORE YOUR MEETING AND TELLING ME THIS IS ON. 
          I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT STAFF DIDN'T GIVE ME A HEADS UP, NOR RESPONDED TO OUR COUNSEL. 
          AND THE LETTER YOU GOT FROM BRUCE MELKISON, BRUCE MELKISON WRITTEN OUR ORIGINAL CODE, WHERE WE WERE DEBATING, WAS THIS GRANDFATHERED IN, LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, WHERE THERE WERE NO BARGES EXCEPT THREE. 
          SO I'M NOT EVER BEEN AGAINST PUBLIC ACCESS. 
          I'M AGAINST WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT ACCESS AND THE WAY IT'S HAPPENING. 
          MAYOR, MY GOOD FRIEND RICHIE ANDERSON PRINTED A FINDING OF THE FACTS. 
          SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, AND I SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO HEAR ME OUT. 
          IN THE FINDING OF THE FACTS... 
          SIX-FIVE. 
          THE PARKING AND OPERATION OF SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT IS DEFINED BY THE CITY. 
          IT'S DEFINED AS PROHIBITED WITHIN THE PARKING LOT. 
          THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO PROHIBITED ON-SITE. 
          BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF FISHING AREAS. 
          WE DO BUSINESS THERE. 
          WE'LL BE RENTING BOATS THERE. 
          SO REALLY IT WILL BE A LOT BETTER JUST ON-SITE. 
          NOT A BIG CHANGE. 
          THE OTHER THING, TOO, IN B3, AND THIS ONE I TAKE EXTREME EXCEPTION TO, IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THE SITE, BEAR WITH ME, THE SITE IS WELL SERVED. 
          BY POLICE AND FIRE. 
          OKAY, THE SITE IS ADEQUATELY SERVED BY POLICE. 
          THIS IS NOT TRUE. 
          NOT TRUE. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT OF TESTIMONY YOU GOT, I MEAN, YOUR PERSON HAD TO GO IN THERE. 
          THE FACT DOESN'T BACK YOU UP. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE TICKET WRITTEN THERE. 
          ONE. 
          THIS WEEKEND, SATURDAY. 
          THEY WERE PARKING ON 15, I'M SORRY, ON 51, WHERE IT SAID NO PARKING ALL DAY. 
          I HAVE A PHOTO I SENT TO YOU YEARS AGO WHERE THE TRAILER PROJECTED INTO HALF LANE ALL DAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I CALLED THE POLICE CHIEF TODAY, I DIDN'T WANT TO SIDESWIPE HIM. 
          I THINK THE WORD IS, NAH, YOU KNOW. 
          AND THROUGH YOUR EFFORT AND YOUR DELIBERATION, YOU WON IT. 
          HOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COUNTY LISTEN. 
          NOW WE'RE SAYING IT'S PERFECT. 
          THAT TAKES AWAY FROM YOUR ABILITY TO ASK THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING. 
          YOU CAN'T IMPROVE PERFECT. 
          WHAT ARE YOU NAGGING ABOUT? SO IN MY OPINION, THAT'S A BAD STATEMENT TO MAKE. 
          IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT IT IS A DEAL THAT COULD COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU. 
          I'M SORRY, I MEAN, I HAD TO READ IT ON MY PHONE. 
          I JUST DECIDED I'M REALLY SORRY THAT THE CITY OF ORONO AND A YOUNG COUNCIL HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS. 
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IT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE TO DO THIS. 
          I THINK WE ENDED UP REALLY WHERE WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD START. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M PRO-PUBLIC ACCESS. 
          I'M PRO-BUSINESS. 
          THE DESIGNATED AREAS WHERE IT COULD HAPPEN. 
          AND THE THING THAT REALLY BOGGLED MY MIND, JUST ABSOLUTELY BOGGLED MY MIND. 
          I OWN FOUR MARINAS. 
          NOW I OWN THREE. 
          BOAT MANUFACTURER. 
          I LAUNCHED UP TO 2,000 BOATS IN THE LAST 35 YEARS. 
          EACH YEAR, I WILL SEND YOU ALL A LETTER FROM THE DNR THANKING ME FOR MY... 
          ASSISTANT TO THE CITY OF MINNETONKA. 
          I MEAN, IT SEEMED LIKE TRYING TO TELL THEM GOOD SHOULD BE DONE AND EVIL SHOULD BE AVOIDED, AND THEY'RE SAYING DON'T DO IT, AND HERE WE ARE, AND YOU GUYS HAD TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          NOW, I WANT YOU TO PAY A LITTLE ATTENTION TO THIS HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO AT DALAM CITY. 
          COULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH? CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS? SURFSIDE BEACH IN MOUND HAS GOT A... 
          RENTAL LICENSE OVER OUR AND AND IN MY OPINION NORTH ARM IS GETTING HALF AN HOUR NO, WE DON'T HAVE THIS OVER THE TOP OF OUR RENTAL WAY HAS IT MADE A DIFFERENCE. 
          I KNOW SPRING I KNOW SURFSIDE BEACH WAS GROUND ZERO TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU IN THE PAST YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? ON THE DIFFERENCE THERE YEAH MY OPINION AND MY PRETTY GOOD OPINION SEE IT ALL FIRST SIDE PARK ILLEGAL RENTAL THAT PUSHED TO NORTH THEY'RE STILL THERE EVERY NEARLY AS MUCH THEY GOT PUSHED TO NORTH ARM NOW PART AND THEN SECONDARILY OKAY SO THIS IS THE COMMANDER OF THE WATER PATROL YEP ONE BLANK SO THEY ALL WENT TO NORTH AND THEY'RE GROWING YOU KNOW SO NOW THEY'RE GOING IT'S A LOT EASY TO MAINTAIN AND IMPOSSIBLE TO REGAIN I'M HAVING THAT PROBLEM IN MY BUSINESS DOWNTOWN WE'RE ALLOWED PARKING LOT TO BE USED BY EVERY BAD PART BAR MOVED ACROSS THE STREET. 
          LITERALLY, LITERALLY, VERY, VERY HARD TO RECLAIM IT. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW COULD THE CITY OF WARNER GO FOR 10 YEARS, 7 YEARS IN LITIGATION WITH THE TURBAN GUY AND CAN'T DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? TAKE AN 80-YEAR-OLD LADY TO COURT FOR 2, 3 YEARS AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE, WE CANNOT DO, WE CAN'T DO. 
          WE EITHER FORCE THE COURT OR WE DON'T. 
          I MEAN, IT CAN BE ON SUNDAY, 3RD OF JULY, WE DO IT, BUT THE REST... 
          AND I REALLY PUT THIS ON STAFF, BOTH OF YOU GUYS. 
          THIS, WE CAME WITH A SOLUTION. 
          I WORKED TWO YEARS TO GET THE SOLUTION AT THE RMCD, AND THEY THOUGHT IT'S IRRELEVANT. 
          SO, I'M SORRY TO BE NEGATIVE, BUT SOMETIMES SOMEBODY HAS TO DO IT. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR GIVING ME A HEADS UP. 
          I'M SURE SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE A SHOOT WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. 
          RICHIE ANDERSON, I'M YOUR LMCD REP, AND I'M STAYING ENGAGED. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR PACKET OUT NOW. 
          IT'S GOT A PROPOSED BUDGET IN IT. 
          SO I WANT TO HAVE A MEETING, NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING, AS I PROMISED. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS AFTER THIS BUDGET GETS APPROVED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M A CHILD IN THE WILDERNESS TRYING TO PURSUE THIS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I JUST SEE SUCH ABUSE THAT... 
          I CAN'T STAY QUIET. 
          YOU KNOW, SHE TALKED ABOUT $59 MILLION THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING FROM THE FEDS. 
          GUESS WHO THAT'S COMING FROM? THE NUMBER FIVE RICHEST CITY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. 
          AND SHE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, SHE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT FUNDING THE WATER PATROL. 
          TEN OF THE RICHEST CITIES 
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IN THIS STATE ARE REPRESENTED IN HENNEPIN COUNTY ON THE LMCED. 
          AND SHE CAN'T EVEN FUND THE WATER PATROL ADEQUATELY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. 
          BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS, THIS IS THE, WE GOT THIS FROM THE AUDITOR. 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING THIS OUT, BUT YOU DO KNOW THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE A WHILE AGO I SAID WE'D BE AT 30.1%, SO WE WENT FROM 85% TO 30% IN RESERVES IN ONE YEAR. 
          IT'S PRETTY SAD. 
          GO AHEAD, ADAM, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. 
          THE PERSONNEL EXPENSES IN 2024 WERE $312,000, ROUGHLY, $312,500, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS 2024. 
          YOU CAN SEE A CONTRACT LABOR THERE. 
          WE HAD AN INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR $50,000. 
          WE HAD THREE STAFF THAT DID IT. 
          OUTSTANDING JOB. 
          NOTHING'S CHANGED. 
          THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB, KEPT THE THING RUNNING FOR $312,000. I'LL MOVE FORWARD ONE SLIDE. 
          THIS IS JUST A QUICKIE BECAUSE WE CAN GET INTO IT DEEPER WHEN I KNOW ALL THE NUMBERS AND I KNOW WHY WE'RE ASKEW. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAD TO BRING OVER $20,000 FROM OUR RESERVE FUND IN 2014. 
          I'M SORRY, 2024. 
          GO AHEAD, ADAM. 
          SO THIS IS JANUARY THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2020. 
          I'M SORRY, FISCAL YEAR 2025. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT WE WENT UP TO $361,000 FOR PERSONNEL EXPENSE. 
          AND GO AHEAD, ADAM. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE REALLY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE WE SPENT $193,000 OVER OUR BUDGETED AMOUNT, WHICH GOT US DOWN TO 30% AT THE END OF 2025. 
          I SUGGESTED THEY AMEND THE BUDGET LIKE IN JUNE. 
          NEVER DID IT. 
          SO THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE STATE OF THEIR FLOCK, AS I CALL IT. 
          AND WE WENT AND HIRED AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT IS ADD-ON TO THE YOU THE 312,000 THAT THE FOLKS DID JUST A FABULOUS JOB. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, GO AHEAD, ADAM. 
          SO THERE'S THAT 30% BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO BRING IN $193,000 OUT OF RESERVES. 
          IF WE WOULD HAVE STAYED ON BUDGET, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT 35% AT THE END OF 2025. 
          GO AHEAD, ADAM. 
          SO HERE'S BASICALLY THE 2027. 
          THIS IS IN THE PACKET. 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING. 
          THIS IS KIND OF WONDERFUL THAT THIS IS A MONDAY MEETING AND WE'RE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          BUT THE PERSONNEL BUDGET FOR 2027 IS $445,750. 
          IN 2024, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING THAT WE DO. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. 
          OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE DID IN 2024, AND WE'RE AT 445, 750 VERSUS 312. 
          SO THE LEVY WILL BE, THE LEVY HAS ALWAYS BEEN STEADY THROUGH THE YEARS AT 300,000. 
          WE TACKED ON, SO DON'T LET ANYBODY TELL YOU THAT IT WAS 375. 
          THE 75 WAS AN AIS LINE ITEM, SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 300,000. 
          SO LAST CHARGE, WE... 
          LAST YEAR, WE LEVIED $375,000. 
          EVERYBODY GOES, WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. 
          THAT WASN'T WHAT IT WAS. 
          IT WAS $300,000. 
          AND SO WE WENT FROM $255,000, WHICH WAS OKAY, BUT WE EASILY COULD HAVE GONE BACK TO THE $300,000 INSTEAD OF $375,000. 
          SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT $460,000 TO $520,000, DOING THE SAME THING THAT WE DID IN 2024. 
          OUR LEVY WILL BE $74,500 TO $84,400, DEPENDING ON HOW THE BUDGET COMES IN. 
          THE 2026 NUMBER IS $60,000. 
          THE 2024 NUMBER WAS $40,000. 
          NOW, THESE ARE THE FIRST YEAR THAT I WAS THE TREASURER. 
          I TOOK OUT THAT $75,000 LINE ITEM. 
          I CAME UP, I WAS BRAGGING ABOUT SAVING $11,000 TO THE CITY. 
          I KNOW IT'S CHUMP CHANGE, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO STOP THE BLEEDING. 
          I MEAN, SHE TALKS ABOUT... 
          HENNEPIN COUNTY TALKS 
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ABOUT THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING, AND I SAW OUR LEVY IS GOING TO GO FROM 16, WHATEVER IT IS, 1664 TO 17.1. 
          AT LEAST OUR MONEY IS COMING RIGHT BACK INTO ORONO THAT WE'RE BUDGETING. 
          THIS IS GOING NOWHERE. 
          WE'RE THE SECOND HIGHEST CONTRIBUTOR. 
          MINNETONKA IS NUMBER ONE. 
          WE'RE NUMBER TWO. 
          WE HAVE THE SAME SAY AS SPRING PARK, WHICH IS GOING TO PAY ABOUT $4,000 OR $5,000. 
          AND I'M COMING TO YOU GUYS TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME SUPPORT TO PUSH BACK ON THIS, BECAUSE IT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. 
          THE LMCD HAS GOT PRESTIGE. 
          BUT WHEN WE, I WAS THE ONE THAT SOLD THE HARVESTERS BECAUSE THEY WERE SPREADING MILFOIL. 
          THAT WAS THE BANNER. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER BANNER TO MAKE. 
          THEM IMPORTANT. 
          I MEAN, I'M ON THAT BOARD REPRESENTING ORONO, AND I AM A BLACK SHEEP, BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE SITS ON THAT BOARD THINKS THEY'RE SOMETHING ELSE, AND THEY GO WITH THE FLOW, NOT TO WRESTLE FEATHERS. 
          SO ANYWAY, AND IT WILL BE DETERMINED ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU BACK ME, AND I'M OKAY EITHER WAY, AND I JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY COMMENTS FROM... 
          YEAH, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YEAH. 
          WHO DOES THE LMCD ANSWER TO? I'M SORRY? WHO DOES THE LMCD ANSWER TO? WHO GOT TO DECIDE THAT THEY COULD HIRE THIS PERSON WHEN IT WASN'T NECESSARY? WELL, THEY HAD A HIRING COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS THE OFFICERS, AND THEY HAD DENNIS CLOSE FROM MINNETONKA BEACH. 
          THEY PAID PROBABLY... 
          $5,000 OR $6,000 IN LEVERAGE. 
          AND I SAT IN ON THE DISCUSSION, BUT I WASN'T PART OF THE BOARD BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE I WOULD JUST BE OVERRULED ANYWAY. 
          BUT I SAT IN THERE AND LISTENED TO EVERYBODY. 
          I WANTED THEM TO HIRE WITHIN THAT $312,000. 
          THE KID THAT WAS MAKING THAT HAPPEN WAS ON OUR STAFF. 
          I SAID, HIRE FROM WITHIN, AND YOU ALWAYS DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          AND SO WE HIRED A FIRM TO FIND THIS GUY, $22,000, AND THEN WE PAID HIM $112,500, WHICH WITH PARA AND ALL THE OTHER CRAP IS GOING TO BE $1.50. 
          IT'S CRAZY. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW THOSE WILD FOLKS BACK THERE IN BOSTON TEAPOT THREW ALL THEIR STUFF IN FOR A SMALL TAX. 
          I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING. 
          SOONER OR LATER, SOMEONE'S GOT TO STOP THIS NONSENSE. 
          SO, I THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TAKING ANY SORT OF OFFICIAL ACTION HERE, BUT ANY OPPOSITION TO PUSHING BACK ON BEHALF OF ORONO? I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE IT. 
          WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET, WE'LL COME TO YOU GUYS. 
          DO WE HAVE A CHOICE, THOUGH, AT THAT POINT? DO WE HAVE A CHOICE TO FUND THAT BUDGET OR NOT? SAY THAT AGAIN? DO WE HAVE A CHOICE? ONCE THAT NUMBER COMES BACK TO US. 
          WELL, HERE'S OUR CHOICE, AND I'M CONSIDERING DOING IT. 
          IF I DON'T HAVE SUPPORT, THOUGH, I'M NOT SPENDING ANY MORE TIME ON IT. 
          BUT IF I HAVE SUPPORT, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE MAYORS AND GO TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU. 
          I MEAN, THE CITY OF MINNETONKA BEACH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO UP THAT MUCH. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A WATER PLANT. 
          I MEAN, WE PISSED AND MOANED OVER A VEHICLE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          ALL THESE THINGS TICK, TICK, TICK, AND THEY DON'T, THERE'S NO VALUE EXCEPT FOR DOC. 
          I CAME UP WITH THE CONCEPT TO PUT THE LIGHTS ON THE SAFETY POLICE. 
          THAT'S ONE OF OUR GOALS. 
          AND THEN SAFETY, AND THEN ALSO DOC POLICE. 
          I CALL IT DOC POLICE. 
          THEY CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH SOUNDS BETTER. 
          BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THAT IS OUR LANE, AND NOW THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT GETTING INTO OUR NEW DIRECTOR. 
          IT HAS TO JUSTIFY HIS JOB TO THINKING ABOUT GETTING BACK INTO AIS. 
          AND YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE LMA. 
          THE LMA IS THE ENVIRONMENTALIST ON OUR LAKE BY FAR AND AWAY. 
          BUT WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE WHAT I'M NOODLING AND GOING THROUGH AND OBJECTING TO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
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THANKS, RICHIE. 
          THANKS, RICHIE. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          [11) LA25-000033, Hennepin County, 3700 North Shore Drive (North Arm Public Boat Launch), Vacation, Variance, Conditional Use Permit, and Interim Use Permit - Resolution 7688]
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE VACATION VARIANCE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, INTERIM USE PERMIT FOR 3700 NORTH SHORE DRIVE. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          IN VIEW TONIGHT IS THE NORTH ARM BOAT LANDING. 
          JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER, I'M FAMILIAR. 
          THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE, THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITION SURVEY OF THE SITE. 
          THE ZONING IS THE LR1C IS LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE OF A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE LATE 1960S. THE AREA OF THE SITE IS JUST OVER AN ACRE AND A HALF IN LAND WITH ROUGHLY 70% HARDCOVER. 
          SOME ELEMENTS OF THE SITE THAT EXIST TODAY INCLUDE 67 PARKING STALLS. 
          PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH, TEMPORARY RESTROOMS, ASI INFORMATION, FENCING, BENCHES, AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SOME APPLICATION HISTORY, SO YOU DID REVIEW THIS APPLICATION AT THE APRIL 13TH COUNCIL MEETING WITH DISCUSSION. 
          AT THAT MEETING YOU HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO DRAFT A DENIAL FOR THE PROPOSED VACATION REQUEST WHICH WAS THE PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAYS THAT KIND OF BISECTED AND ABUTTED THE PID, THE PARCEL. 
          THERE WAS VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH HARDCOVER, OVERALL HARDCOVER, HARDCOVER IN THE 75, AND THEN BUILDING AND STRUCTURES IN THE 75. 
          YOU RECOMMENDED TO RECOMMEND A DRAFT RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THOSE PROPOSED VARIANCES. 
          APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WAS A SHORELINE MANAGEMENT PROTECTION OF THE FLOODWAY, WHICH WERE STRUCTURES IN THE SEAWALL, IN THE FLOODPLAIN SPECIFICALLY, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS, YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE INTERIM USE PERMIT TO ALLOW GRADING OVER 10 CUBIC YARDS WITHIN THE 75-FOOT LAKESHORE SETBACK. 
          YOU DID NOTE THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS ON THAT THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          ONE, THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY PERMITS FROM OTHER GOVERNMENT PERMITTING AGENCIES. 
          PROHIBITION OF PARKING AND OPERATION OF SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGING, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND THEN SUBMITTAL OF LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING PLANS, WHICH PROVIDE SCREENING AND BUFFERING ON SITE ACTIVITY. 
          ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT IS THAT DRAFT RESOLUTION REFLECTED OF THOSE TERMS, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY DID UPDATE THEIR PLAN FROM WHEN YOU SAW IT ON APRIL 13TH. THEY INCLUDED AN UPDATED NARRATIVE AND SITE PLAN, WITH THE MAJOR AMENDMENT BEING THAT THEY NARROWED THE WIDTH OF THE BOAT LAUNCH. 
          AS PROPOSED, THEY HAD IT AT 45 FEET WIDE, SIMILAR TO MAXWELL BAY'S LAUNCH. 
          PER YOUR DIRECTION, THEY HAVE NARROWED THAT AND MAINTAINED THE EXISTING WIDTH AT 36 FEET. 
          SO TODAY IT'S 36 FEET. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN IT AT 36 FEET WIDE. 
          THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REORIENT IT SO IT MATCHES THE CIRCULATION PLAN AS PROPOSED WITH THE NEW PARKING ORIENTATION, BUT THE WIDTH ITSELF IS PROPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED AS IT EXISTS. 
          AND SO THOSE NEW SITE PLANS ARE IN YOUR PACKET, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO CITY STAFF WAS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT. 
          AS I NOTED, THE AMENDED SITE PLAN INCLUDED A REDUCED BOAT RAMP TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING 36 FEET WIDTH. 
          OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THIS PROJECT INCLUDES RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT AND BOAT AREA, OVERALL STORMWATER, MANAGEMENT FOR THE SITE, NEW FISHING AREAS AND WALKING PATHS, INSTALLATION OF AN ACCESSIBILITY LIFT FOR ACCESS, INSTALL REFUSE CONTAINERS AROUND THE FISHING AREA. 
          UPDATE LANDSCAPING WITH REMOVAL OF INVASIVE VEGETATION AND ESTABLISH NATIVE PLANTINGS, COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY FORESTER DEPARTMENT, AND THEN REORIENT THE NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCH. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE SITE, IMPROVE CIRCULATION, AND LIGHTING AS WELL FOR THE SITE. 
          JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE ASKING FOR, AGAIN, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH ARE STRUCTURES IN THE SEAWALL SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND THEN THE INTERIM USE PERMIT IS SPECIFICALLY COORDINATED WITH THE GRADING OF THE SITE. 
          AND THEN THE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR ARE THE OVERALL SITE HARDCOVER, THE HARDCOVER WITH THE 75-FOOT LAKE YARD, AND THEN THE BUILDING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE 75-FOOT. 
          I DID HIGHLIGHT KIND OF THE AFFECTED AREAS IN ORANGE THERE IN YOUR CIRCLE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FROM THE APRIL 13TH COUNCIL MEETING, 
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COUNCIL'S ASKED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTION 7688. 
          I ALSO INCLUDED THE HEDERMAN COUNTY'S PROPOSAL THAT YOU SAW ON APRIL 13TH WHICH OUTLINED THE AREAS AND NARRATIVE OCCASION OF THEIR REQUESTS AS WELL AS THEIR RESPONSES TO PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THIS DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU TONIGHT. 
          I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, OTHERWISE THE COUNTY'S HERE AS WELL TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ON THE HARDCOVER, YOU SAID IT'S AT 73% NOW AND IT'S INCREASING TO 79? YEAH, SO WE DID HAVE TO ADJUST THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS THAT YOU SAW ANTICIPATED THE VACATING OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. 
          AND SO WE HAD TO CALCULATE THAT AREA OUT. 
          SO AFTER THAT RECALCULATION, I BELIEVE THEY WERE AROUND 70% HARDCOVER AND THEY ARE PROPOSING AT 79% HARDCOVER WITH THIS PROPOSAL BY WIDENING, MOSTLY ADJUSTING TO THE LARGER PARKING SPACES FOR THE LARGER TRAILER PARKING. 
          I WILL NOTE THAT THEY ARE INCORPORATING PERVIOUS AREAS. 
          THE WHOLE PARKING AREA IS PERVIOUS AS IT IS PART OF THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          PLAN THAT THEY'VE COORDINATED WITH MINNEHAHA CREEK, SO ALL THE PARKING AREAS ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF A LOOSE GRAVEL AND A TRUE GRID SYSTEM THAT WILL BE PART OF THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OF FILTRATION AND DRAINAGE. 
          BUT PER OUR CODE'S DEFINITION, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS STORMWATER AND FILTRATING, THAT IS STILL CONSIDERED HARDCOVER BECAUSE IT IS PARKED UPON. 
          SO BECAUSE THEY ARE WIDENING THE PARKING LOT FOR THOSE PARKING SPACES, IT IS INCREASING THE HARDCOVER TO THE OVERALL SITE. 
          SO I THOUGHT MR. JABBOUR HAD A GOOD SUGGESTION AS FAR AS PROHIBITING THE OPERATION OF SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGING, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT. 
          CAN WE LOOK TO MAYBE MAKE THAT ON SITE OR WITHIN THE SITE? THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE VERSUS JUST THE PARKING LOT. 
          I CAN SEE THAT THAT LEAVES SOME AMBIGUITY TO PILE THEIR LANDSCAPE ROCKS SOMEPLACE OTHER THAN THE PARKING LOT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE SAW, THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S A CLEAR ENOUGH CORRECTION TO REMOVE THAT FROM PARKING LOT TO THE SITE. 
          THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AREN'T ALLOWED REGARDLESS. 
          I REALLY VIEWED THIS CONDITION AS KIND OF A BELT AND SUSPENSION. 
          I DON'T WANT TO... 
          CONFUSION THAT WELL, MAYBE IT'S ALLOWED OUT. 
          I THINK CHANGING THE PHRASE PARKING LOT TO SITE DOES MAKE SOME GOOD SENSE. 
          I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND I THINK YOU KNOW ONE THING ON THAT AS I'VE WORKED WITH STAFF AND HAD OTHER INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS IT'S BECOME CLEAR TO ME AND I THINK MR. JAVOR TOUCHED ON IT IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT WAS POLICED OR NOT BUT ONE OF THE THERE ARE THIS DID BRING WE NEED TO BE CHECKING IN ON IT MORE. 
          I DO THINK THAT, IN ADDITION TO THIS RESOLUTION, IS SOMETHING I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED AT A STAFF MEETING. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE DISCUSSION. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED. 
          ARE WE HEARING A PRESENTATION AGAIN FROM THE COUNTY, OR ARE WE IN DISCUSSION? WE CAN IF THE COUNCIL SO DESIRES. 
          THEY'RE HERE. 
          THEY CAN COMMENT ON ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME GIVE AND TAKE, OBVIOUSLY, AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS. 
          NO, I DIDN'T NEED THAT. 
          I WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN SOME TIME, THAT I WAS AND STILL AM IN OPPOSITION TO NOT ONLY THE VACATION BUT THE VARIANCES AS WELL. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO... 
          CHECK THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COUNCIL AND SEE IF THE COUNCIL IS STILL INTERESTED IN GRANTING THESE VARIANCES BEFORE WE CONTINUE, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THE LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN THE VARIANCES. 
          THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I'VE LOOKED AGAIN AT OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER REVIEW OF THIS, WHICH THEY ONLY SAW ONE TIME. 
          THIS NEVER WENT BACK TO THEM. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE LIVED HERE MANY YEARS, SERVED ON PLANNING COMMISSION IN SOME CASE FOR YEARS. 
          LIVE IN THE AREA, WHO PAY TAXES IN THE AREA. 
          AND ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IN THAT MEETING, IN RESPONSE TO THIS PROPOSAL, SAID, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE USE IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE FROM THESE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND AGAIN, OUR PLANNING 
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COMMISSION VOTED THIS DOWN, VOTED DOWN THE IDEA OF VACATING GIVING THESE VARIANCES. 
          AND MY STRUGGLE WITH THESE VARIANCES AS A WHOLE IS ON A FEW DIFFERENT POINTS THAT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL. 
          WE MUST DEMONSTRATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET THESE CRITERIA. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT FIND THAT THESE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET. 
          SO I DO DISAGREE WITH OUR STAFF IN THIS CASE. 
          I DO DISAGREE THAT THE VARIANCE WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE LOCALITY. 
          THERE WILL BE NO ROAD ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL INCREASE FROM THESE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND AS ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS NOTED, THE NEAR MISSES AND THE CONGESTION THERE ARE ALREADY AN ISSUE. 
          I ALSO DISAGREE THAT THE GRANTING OF THE APPLICATION IS NECESSARY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND ENJOYMENT OF A SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY RIGHT OF THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS SITE IS ALREADY BEING EFFECTIVELY USED AND ENJOYED, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GRANTING THIS VARIANCE IS NECESSARY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND ENJOYMENT OF THIS AREA OR THIS RAMP, THIS LAUNCH. 
          ALSO, THE GRANTING OF THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL NOT IN ANY WAY IMPAIR HEALTH, SAFETY, AND SAFETY OF THE SITE. 
          ...DECOMFORT OR MORALS OR IN ANY OTHER RESPECT BE CONTRARY TO THE INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER. 
          I, AGAIN, BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, WE'VE NOT HEARD ONE LETTER OF PHONE CALL OF SUPPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY OF THIS PROPOSAL, NOT ONE. 
          WE'VE HEARD STATEMENTS OPPOSING IT AND STATEMENTS OF CONCERN FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T IMPROVE UPON THE RAMP, BUT THESE ADDITIONS AND THESE... 
          EXPANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE NOW AND MAKING IT MORE ATTRACTIVE IS GOING TO AFFECT THE WAY THIS AREA IS USED, AND I DO BELIEVE IT WILL AFFECT SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          AND FINALLY, THE GRANTING OF SUCH VARIANCE WILL NOT MERELY SERVE AS A CONVENIENCE TO THE APPLICANT, BUT IS NECESSARY, NECESSARY TO ALLEVIATE DEMONSTRABLE DIFFICULTY. 
          AGAIN, THIS SITE IS BEING USED, HEAVILY USED, BY CONTRACTORS, INDUSTRIAL, RESIDENTS. 
          COMMERCIAL, RECREATIONAL FISHING, IT'S BEING USED NOW. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO DRAW THE LENS, IF YOU WILL, WAY BACK FROM THE WEEDS OF WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AND LEGAL LANGUAGE, WHICH HAS BEEN FLYING BACK AND FORTH IN RECENT WEEKS, TO SIT WITH THIS APPLICATION FOR A MOMENT AND SAY, DOES THIS CHECK THE BOXES? IS THIS GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY? BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT... 
          STRIKES ME, AND WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PROPOSAL WAS QUITE DIFFERENT AT THAT. 
          IT HAD A SEPARATE COMMERCIAL ACCESS POINT THAT SEEMED TO INTERSECT THE PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH THAT IS THERE, AND A PROPOSED BOAT LAUNCH PAD. 
          MY OPINION IS THE ISSUES THAT POSED BEFORE THEM AND HAVE ALLOWED US TO IMPOSE THE TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN VERY LOUD ABOUT, JUSTIFIABLY SO. 
          I THINK THERE'S... 
          THERE'S NO ROOM HERE FOR THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN DONE, AND I BELIEVE WE'VE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THAT. 
          AND I THINK THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THIS WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC THERE. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT NECESSARILY SHOULD BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE. 
          REDUCES THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BY TWO, I BELIEVE, AND KEEPS THE BOAT LAUNCH AREA THE SAME WIDTH AND ELIMINATES, MOST IMPORTANTLY, ELIMINATES THE COMMERCIAL ACCESS POINT. 
          IT REALLY SENDS THE MESSAGE TO THE COMMERCIAL USERS OF THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN PUT THEIR LAUNCHES OUT, BUT 20 MINUTES IS THE MAX. 
          AND THEY CAN'T DO THE TYPE OF STAGING ACTIVITIES THAT NONE OF US WANT TO SEE THERE. 
          I GUESS I'D HAVE TO SAY I DON'T SEE THAT THEY'VE CHANGED ANYTHING. 
          I GUESS I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY AND SAY, HAVE YOU GUYS PUT ANY SIGNAGE UP IN GOOD FAITH BEFORE? IS THERE ANY SIGNAGE UP NOW? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS 
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AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SIGNAGE STATING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT COMMERCIAL STAGING AND EVERYTHING. 
          HAS THE COUNTY GONE OUT THERE AND OBSERVED OR WATCHED OR PUT SIGNS? SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT? MAYOR TUNHEIM, COUNCILMEMBER, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SIGNAGE RELATED ROUTINES. 
          WE HAD TALKED THROUGH SOME OF YOUR... 
          WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SO FAR HAVE BEEN OUTLINING THREE ITEMS WE PRESENTED THEN, OVERSIGHT ON THEM. 
          IN LIMITING COMMERCIAL STAGING, IN LIMITING TO ONE VEHICLE AND TRAILER PER STALL, AND THAT 20-MINUTE LIMIT THAT MAYOR THUNHEIM INTRODUCED, WE REACHED OUT TO FACILITIES AND COMMERCIAL OPERATORS WE KNOW WORKING OUT OF THERE TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THAT CHANGE. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE BEEN PULLING TOGETHER THAT SIGNAGE. 
          AS IT RELATES TO THAT SIGNAGE, WE DO WANT THE CITY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE OF US. 
          WE'RE NOT PRINTING OUT SIGNS THAT WE PUT OUT IN MAY AND JUNE. 
          WE REPLACED OUR NEW SIGN IN JUNE AND JULY. 
          WHEREAS WITH LITTER-MAN, AGAIN, WE HAVE THOSE SIGNS DESIGNED. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S... 
          AND WE DO NOT HAVE, IF I RECALL, ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THOSE RULES WHEN YOU PUT THE SIGNS UP. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNTY DOESN'T PLAN ON HAVING ANYBODY THERE TO IMPLEMENT IT. 
          WITH THOSE LITTER SIGNS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO PLAN TO INCLUDE INFORMATION AND FOLLOW UP WITH ANY LITTER AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          OUR CODE THAT'S LISTED ON THERE, MYSELF AND MY STAFF, SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO IT. 
          WE DO, AGAIN, HAVE OUR STAFF OUT THERE MORE. 
          I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE COMMERCIAL STAGING. 
          WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, THERE'S... 
          BEEN SOME HUGE VEHICLES OUT THERE. 
          YEP AND FOR THOSE WE'VE HAD A FEW REPORTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH TOO THAT WE'VE BEEN RESPONDING TO THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR I THINK THERE'LL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF EDUCATION WITH THIS SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THIS EXPECTATION IS AND WHAT MUST CHANGE OR WHAT IT'S WORTH AS WE'VE BEEN REACHING EACH OF THOSE AND THEY'VE BEEN WILLING TO US AND BACK IN MAY FEW HOURS DROP OFF THAT WAS MEANT TO GO TO A PARTY JUST DOWN THE ROAD. 
          CAN YOU SAY SOMEONE RESPONDED WHO RESPONDED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR MY STAFF MEMBER TONY BROUGH AND HE TALKED TO THEM YEP SO HE WAS ON SITE WITHIN A COUPLE HOURS UM WELL WE CALLED HIM INITIALLY WHILE HE WAS WORKING ON AN ATOMIC ON THE BOAT BUT THEN FOLLOWED UP WHEN HE WAS ABLE TO YOU KNOW I WAS ACTUALLY THERE THAT DAY, DROVE BY AND GOT PICTURES. 
          IT WAS MAY 15TH. 
          THERE WERE SIX PALLETS OF SOD WHEN I DROVE BY. 
          THAT WAS A REDUCTION OF WHAT HAD BEEN THERE EARLIER, AND IT WAS THERE FOR HOURS. 
          THE TRICK IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MISTAKE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE SOD PALLETS WOULD HAVE GONE IF NOT THAT LAUNCH, BECAUSE THE HOME WHERE THEY WERE BEING INSTALLED, THAT WAS JUST AROUND THE BEND, AND THERE WAS NO PLACE TO PUT THEM THERE. 
          SO THIS IDEA FOR ME OF 20 MINUTES, IT LOOKS GREAT ON PAPER. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A REALITY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE NOW. 
          AND IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION FOR ME IF WE WERE COMMITTED AS A COUNTY, AS A PARTNERING WITH A CITY, TO GIVE OURSELVES A YEAR AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW WELL THIS GOES. 
          WE'RE NOT GRANTING VARIANCES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THIS GOES ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS BY PUTTING THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART AND SEEING HOW THAT WORKS, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, DRIVING BY THERE OFTENTIMES, IT'S NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW, AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS FROM OUR CHIEF OF POLICE THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANY CITATIONS OR ANY ENFORCEMENT ON THIS AREA. 
          AND AS WE'VE HEARD, HENNEPIN COUNTY IS VERY, VERY BUSY. 
          SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE IDEA THAT WHEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WHEN THERE ARE ROCKS OR SOD OR WHATEVER ELSE, THAT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO SOMEBODY CALLING A STAFF MEMBER WHO MAYBE IS IN THE AREA TO COME OVER AND TALK TO THAT OPERATOR. 
          IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, AGAIN, 
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IT SOUNDS GREAT ON PAPER. 
          THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT WORKING NOW. 
          SO WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE WHEN IT'S NOT WORKING NOW? BECAUSE WE ALREADY IN THE CITY HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE IT SAYS NO PARKING, AND PEOPLE PARK THERE. 
          AND OUR PD DOES GO OUT AND ENFORCE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON OUR CITY STREETS. 
          AND WE HAVE A WAY OF HANDLING THAT, AND OUR OFFICERS ARE STILL BUSY, BUT THEY STILL DO DO THAT. 
          HERE, AGAIN, I'M ALL ABOUT THE PUBLIC USE AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY A MESS ON OUR HANDS, AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANY OF THIS RECONSTRUCTION OR GRANTING THESE VARIANCES, WHICH THEN ALLOWS ALL THIS WORK TO HAPPEN. 
          AS SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, WE GIVE UP ANY RIGHT OVER THESE AREAS ONCE WE'VE GRANTED THESE TO CONTROL THINGS BETTER. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE. 
          IF WE WERE GOING TO GIVE OURSELVES TIME TO WORK OUT THESE OPERATIONAL DETAILS WITH LITTER AND PARKING CONTROL, I'D SAY, FANTASTIC, I'M ALL ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT THE IDEA, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS ARE EARNING HIGH DOLLARS FOR DOING LARGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, AND THE IDEA OF A FINE OR BEING TALKED TO ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO IMPACT THAT BEHAVIOR GOING FORWARD. 
          SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT. 
          YES, I HAVE. 
          QUESTION TWO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TWO DOCS NEXT TO YOU. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING THEIR PONTOONS BECAUSE THEY'VE RENTED THEM OUT AND PEOPLE BOARDING THOSE BECAUSE THEY USUALLY PARK THEM NOW. 
          AND I'VE DRIVEN BY SEVERAL TIMES AND SEEN THESE PONTOONS WAITING FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRANSITIONING FROM ONE GROUP TO THE OTHER AND STUFF. 
          AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY RENTING THESE BOATS OUT AND STUFF. 
          IS YOUR INSPECTOR UNDER THE CANOPY GOING TO TELL THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? YEP, THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE PERSON THAT COULD DO IT. 
          I POINTED OUT THE CANOPY THAT'S THERE. 
          THAT IS ONE PERSON THAT IS ON SITE AND ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          THIS IS A REALLY CHALLENGING ITEM. 
          I THINK THIS WILL BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR. 
          FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, HAVING THAT INSPECTOR THERE WILL BE, I CAN THEN FOLLOW UP, THE STAFF MEMBER BE THAT FIRST PERSON TO, IT'S OUR PREFERENCE TO USE EDUCATION FIRST, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROPERLY LICENSED AND HAVE THE APPROVALS THEY NEED. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, MOST FOLKS THAT ARE USING THIS PROTOCOLS AND THROUGH THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH WATER. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THOSE PEOPLE PARKING IN PLACES THAT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR FISHERMEN. 
          AND INSTEAD WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING THERE WHO ARE NOW RENTING A PONTOON OR WHATEVER TYPE OF BOAT THEY'VE WANTED. 
          AND SO NOW WE'VE GOT IT BOTH ON LAND AND... 
          AND ON THE WATER. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS, TOO, BESIDES THE STAGING OF THESE COMPANIES COMING IN AND STUFF. 
          THAT'S FINE IF THEY WANT TO LAUNCH A BARGE AND BRING IT BACK IN THERE. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          I'VE SEEN A COUPLE COMPANIES DO THAT, AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME. 
          BUT WHEN THEY START TO STAGE, AND THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, FOUR GIANT VEHICLES IN THERE, ONE FULL OF BOULDERS, ANOTHER DUMP TRUCK, THAT'S WHEN I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME. 
          AND THEY'RE PULLING THEM OVER WITH, YOU KNOW, BIG CRANES, AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE. 
          FISHING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM, IT'S A LITTLE PRECARIOUS. 
          THIS ISN'T THE QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ANOTHER POINT GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION, IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED USE. 
          IT WAS ALSO THE FACT THAT THE 75-FOOT IS THE HOLY GRAIL. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME IN THE LAKESHORE CITY. 
          AND IN THIS APPLICATION, AS ONE OF THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING CHAIR ACTUALLY, I GUESS HE WASN'T HERE THEN, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT THAT, AND THIS IS WHY I CLARIFIED HIS STAFF, WE'RE INCREASING HARDCOVER IN THE 75 FOOT. 
          WE'RE PUTTING STRUCTURES IN THE 75 FOOT. 
          THESE ARE THINGS THAT DEFINE WHAT WE ARE NOT MEANT TO BE DOING IN THIS CITY. 
          AND HERE WE ARE IN APPLICATION ENTERTAINING THESE. 
          SO I, AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED USE. 
          IS THE IDEA THAT... 
          WE'RE NOT ALLOWING OR ENCOURAGING OUR RESIDENTS TO BUILD THIS WAY, AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE GOING TO BE GRANTING OR CONSIDERING GRANTING VARIANCES FOR THAT VERY THING. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION AS FAR AS THE PLANNING 
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COMMISSIONER'S POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP LAST YEAR. 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS THAT WHEN I DID CONFRONT ONE GROUP THAT WAS THERE, THEY TOLD US THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAD TALKED TO THE COUNTY. 
          WHO WOULD THEY HAVE SPOKEN TO AT THE COUNTY? THEY DIDN'T HAVE A NAME FOR US, BUT THEY SAID THAT THE COUNTY TOLD THEM THEY COULD USE THAT LAUNCH FOR STAGING. 
          SO THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT TOO, THAT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT NARRATIVES COMING FROM THE COUNTY. 
          ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MAY 15 INCIDENT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER INCIDENT. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT MY CALENDAR. 
          WHEN WE ACTUALLY, I WAS CALLED THERE. 
          THIS SPRING THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REQUESTS. 
          WE HAVE MORE FREQUENTLY AT SPRING PARK. 
          IF WE GET REQUESTS FOR MOVING LARGE BOATS, LIKE THE C-NOTE NOTABLY LAST YEAR, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY LIKE THAT AT NORTH ARM STREET. 
          IF THEY WERE TOLD THAT, THAT'S NOT GIVING THEM. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY I REMAIN CONCERNED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AS HAS BEEN RAISED HERE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY... 
          IT DOESN'T PUT US IN A WORSE POSITION AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT IS CONCERNED. 
          IT PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING THESE CONDITIONS ON THE PERMIT THAT WE WOULD BE GRANTING HERE. 
          AND I THINK THE BENEFITS TO SAFETY, WATER QUALITY, I KNOW IT'S TECHNICALLY MORE HARDCOVER, BUT WITH THE TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING USED, IT BENEFITS THE WATER QUALITY. 
          I THINK IN TERMS OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE NOW. 
          IMPROVING ADA ACCESS, AND I THINK OVERALL IMPROVING THE BOAT LAUNCH EXPERIENCE. 
          AND I THINK THOSE BENEFITS ARE REAL. 
          AND WE'VE GOT THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE EITHER WAY, AND I THINK WE PUT OURSELVES IN A BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT. 
          BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TODAY. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW SAYING NO IMPROVES OUR ENFORCEMENT. 
          MY, IDEALLY, THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD ALREADY BE ADDRESSED AND IT'S NOT. 
          WE'VE HAD NO TEST CASE THUS FAR WHERE FOLKS ARE IN COMPLIANCE, AND WHY DON'T WE SPEND A YEAR EDUCATING AND SEE HOW THAT GOES BEFORE GRANTING VARIANCES? BECAUSE ONCE WE GRANT THOSE VARIANCES, THEY FOLLOW THAT LAND. 
          THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF TRYING TO EDUCATE AND GET PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN THAT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, NOT WORK. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING IS HOW WELL WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR WE'RE BEING ASKED TO GRANT THREE VARIANCES. 
          ONE IS FOR THE HARDCOVER THAT TECHNICALLY INCREASES A BIT, BUT REALLY, I THINK, BECAUSE IT'S IMPROVED STORMWATER, IT'S LIKE DECREASING IT. 
          THE OTHER TWO VARIANCES ARE HARDCOVER WITHIN 75 FEET OF THE SHORE. 
          WE'VE GOT THAT NOW. 
          AGAIN, IT'S IMPROVED, AND THEN ALLOWING STRUCTURES. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, IS AN AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES, AND THE OTHER IS A FACILITY THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CLEAN THE BOATS, AGAIN, TO FIGHT AN AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES. 
          SO, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE HOW WE GET IN A WORSE POSITION BY APPROVING THESE VARIANCES. 
          AND AGAIN, I CAN SEE THAT, AND I STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT THAT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT JUST WITH THAT VERTICAL ACCESS WALL, DID NOT SEE IT IN THEIR WISDOM TO GRANT THESE VARIANCES. 
          AND THAT TROUBLES ME, BECAUSE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THESE ARE FOLKS WHO ADVISE US ON LAND USE, WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THAT COMMISSION, OUR ADVISORY COMMISSION, WAS NOT IN SUPPORT OF GRANTING THESE VARIANCES. 
          AND THAT'S ASIDE FROM, IT IS ASIDE FROM THAT VERTICAL ACCESS WALL BEING REMOVED. 
          THAT IS SIMPLY ABOUT THAT HARDCOVER. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THIS WAS A 
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STORMWATER RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT. 
          THIS IS ABOUT MAKING LOTS OF OTHER CHANGES IN THE 75 FOOT. 
          AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WAS RECOMMENDING AGAINST IT. 
          SO THAT, I GO BACK TO THEM AND THEIR WISDOM AND I SUPPORT THEIR ASSESSMENT OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, THE ONE THING, MY UNDERSTANDING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NOT SEEN THIS PROPOSAL. 
          THEY MADE THE DECISION BASED ON SOMETHING ELSE WITHOUT ANY SKETCHES, WITHOUT ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED. 
          SO THEY'VE COME BACK AND MADE CHANGES BASED ON DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK AT, WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THAT WORK DONE INSIDE THE 75 FEET. 
          AND STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT, IT'S A SITE THAT CAN BE IMPROVED UPON. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS IMPROVED UPON SITE IS GOING TO INCREASE THE USABILITY OF THE COMMERCIALIZED SPACE ON THAT. 
          IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND FOR ME, THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN, IS THE SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT, FISHING OR WHATEVER THERE, SAFETY WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THERE, AND SAFETY ON THE PARKING ISSUES. 
          I THINK OVERALL IN THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ON THOSE VARIANCES. 
          I THINK IT IMPROVES THAT TREMENDOUSLY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS EVEN ON THE GRASS STRUCTURE THERE, BEING ABLE TO PARK UP AND BACK THAT, MAKE THAT MORE PARKABLE, MAKE THAT BETTER. 
          AND THEN THE TREE STRUCTURE ALONG THERE, WE GOT, YOU KNOW, BUCKTHORN THAT'S SITTING THERE NOW, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT IMPROVES THAT TREMENDOUSLY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE WHAT THEY DID, AND I THINK THEY CAME BACK TO... 
          WORKING WITH THE LMCD, IS THEY REDUCE THOSE FISHING PIERS, TAKING THEM AWAY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS NOT A GOOD THING. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT WITH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT THESE. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY A VERY SILLY QUESTION, BUT PARKING SPOTS 4 THROUGH 19. 
          SO YOU DRIVE IN, AND THEN YOU GO AND LAUNCH THE BOAT, AND THEN YOU COME BACK AROUND AND YOU FACE, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE NOT BACKING THE TRAILERS IN NOW, WE'RE PULLING STRAIGHT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM ANYMORE OF PEOPLE PARKING THEIR TRAILER ONTO THE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I JUST ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE A POLLINATOR GARDEN BETWEEN THE... 
          I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT TALKED ABOUT HERE. 
          I SEE THIS AS A NET POSITIVE FOR THIS AREA. 
          I THINK THAT I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE CLOSE TO 20 TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO MONTHS, AND I HAVE SEEN... 
          IN ONE INSTANCE, SOME ACTIVITY THAT WAS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY DOWN THERE, SO MAYBE I'M GOING AT THE WRONG TIME, BUT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BOATS DOWN THERE BEHIND VEHICLES AND WHATNOT, BUT FAR LESS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THAN OTHERS HAVE OBSERVED. 
          I SEE THIS AS A VERY NET POSITIVE GAIN FOR THIS SPACE. 
          I THINK IT DOES A LOT TO IMPROVE IT. 
          I THINK THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. 
          THE REALITY IS I TEND TO THINK THAT IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE ANYWAY. 
          IF WE GO THROUGH AND APPROVE, PASS THIS RESOLUTION, AS WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS THAT SEEM TO ALREADY START TO HAVE SOME TRACTION, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED TO HAVE GENERALLY BEEN VERY UNDERSTANDING OF THE EXPECTATIONS, THAT TO ME IS A POSITIVE. 
          SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN. 
          IT'S NOT A PLAN THAT THE... 
          PLANNING COMMISSION HAD REVIEWED, AND I THINK THAT WHAT'S COME BACK AND CONTINUOUSLY BEEN PRESENTED IS UPDATES BASED UPON FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL. 
          SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS RESOLUTION. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THAT, I HAVE BEEN BY THIS PLACE 20, 30 TIMES OVER THE LAST, ALL THE TIME, CHECKING FOR... 
          BRIDGE PICKING UP IN ACTION AND AWAY AND I HAVE NOT HAD THAT COMMERCIAL I'VE GOTTEN PHONE 
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CALLS I'VE GOTTEN FIT TEXTS AND I'VE GOTTEN THAT FOR PEOPLE THERE I HAVE NOT HAD THAT AND I WILL GO FROM THAT ONE AND OBEY YEAH THE DNRS AND I'M GOING WHAT WOULD IF YOU'RE UH NOW I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH MAXWELL BAY BRIDGE AND UNDER UNDERNEATH THERE, BUT THAT ISN'T WELL PRESERVED, COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS OVER HERE. 
          AND I'M GOING, WHY AREN'T THEY OVER HERE DOING THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? UNDERSTAND LOGISTICALLY, IT DOESN'T, CAN'T MAKE SENSE IF YOU'RE WORKING AT NORTH ARMOUR ON CRYSTAL BAY, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO DROP YOUR SOD OR YOUR BOULDERS OVER THERE, GET THAT. 
          BUT IT'S LIKE, I GO BETWEEN THE TWO AND I LOOK AT HOW MAXWELL BAY IS WELL-PRESERVED, I THINK. 
          I DON'T SEE MUCH TRASH AROUND THERE. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT. 
          AGAIN, IN MY EXPERIENCES, I'VE BEEN THERE. 
          AND THAT MAKES THAT GOING TO BE A DIFFERENCE ON WHY WE CAN'T HAVE IT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          SPEAKING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE THIS A SECOND TIME AND LIKELY WON'T, WHAT... 
          THEY TOOK ISSUE AND ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT THIS DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF STAFF CAN CLARIFY FOR US WHAT HAS CHANGED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS PLAN THAT NOW DOES MEET THOSE CRITERIA. 
          SO THE INFORMATION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW, STAFF WAS SUPPORTING THE APPLICATIONS THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FOUND THAT THERE WAS REASONS TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AT THAT TIME. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION, HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          COMMENTS AS WELL AS KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE ANALYSIS THEY TOOK QUESTIONS ON WANTING JUST MORE INFORMATION MOST MOST OF THEIR QUESTIONS WERE RAISED ABOUT JUST WANTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND FINDING KIND OF MISSING INFORMATION OR MISSING DIAGRAMS MISSING SITE PLANS OUT OF THE APPLICATION TO SUPPORT KIND OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY WERE HAVING SO THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL KIND OF INFORMATION ON SUPPORTING THE VARIANCES WITH THE COUNTY WORKING THROUGH ADDITIONAL NARRATIVE ON PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY STANDARDS, WHICH THEY ALSO WORKED THROUGH A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT ITEMS WHERE THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON LANDSCAPING PLANS, LANDSCAPING TYPES, MORE BETTER COUNTS ON TREES. 
          THEY NEEDED CLARIFICATION ON THE WETLAND IMPACTS BECAUSE WHEN THIS WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION THE WETLAND STILL WAS WORKING THROUGH THE MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED AND THE DETERMINATIONS AND CLASSIFICATIONS ON WETLANDS HADN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET. 
          SO PLANNING COMMISSION WAS KIND OF MISSING THAT INFORMATION AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION THEY WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON THE LIGHTING PLAN. 
          THEY ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ON KIND OF USER FEES AND ROAD ACCESS TO THE SITE WAS AN ELEMENT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON AND THEN THEY HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VERTICAL LAUNCH ACCESS WHICH WAS AN ELEMENT OF THE SITE THAT HAS BEEN SINCE REMOVED AS WELL AS KIND OF THE LOCATION OF THE NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCH IN RELATION TO KIND OF SOME OF THE PARKING STALLS AS IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE SITE. 
          SO IT WAS INFORMATION THAT THEY WANTED MORE OF, AND AS THEY WORKED THROUGH THOSE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES, THEY JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT INFORMATION SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION. 
          AND AT THE TIME, JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL COLOR TO THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS AT A NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND SO KNOWING THAT WE WERE STILL WORKING UNDER A CERTAIN 60-DAY RULE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CALLED TO VOTE TO MOVE THE APPLICATION UP FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION. 
          SO THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM, PARTLY IN ORDER TO MOVE IT ALONG TO YOU GUYS, AS THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT TABLING IT WOULD SUFFICE, KNOWING THAT TIMING. 
          REQUIRED TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION. 
          DO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THAT ONE OF THE STICKING POINTS WAS THE INCREASE IN HARDCOVER AND THAT WAS A NON-STARTER FOR THE COMMISSION? I DON'T KNOW IF I CLASS, I THINK THEY WORKED THROUGH THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR THE HARDCOVER OVERALL HARDCOVER FOR THE THREE VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED. 
          THEY WORKED THROUGH THOSE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AND THEY FOUND, I DON'T I WON'T BE ABLE TO QUOTE THEM FROM THIS AS THIS WAS THE NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION BUT THEY JUST THANK YOU. 
          AGREED THAT THEY DIDN'T FIND NECESSARILY THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY ELEMENTS BEING MET BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN 
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BROUGHT UP TONIGHT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS RESOLUTION BUT I'D LIKE TO FURTHER EXPLORE IS TRYING TO REGULATE THE... 
          USE OF RENTAL BOATS FROM THAT SITE. 
          THAT ALSO SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM AND SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN COMPLAINED ABOUT PRETTY LOUDLY BY OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR THERE. 
          I LIVE ON NORTH ARM. 
          IT'S ON, PARTICULARLY ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, IT'S A MESS WHERE WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE PARKING THERE AND THE BOATS BEING PARKED AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US TRY TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT AND FOLLOW THE LMCD LICENSING PROCEDURE TO TRY TO REGULATE THAT IN THE SAME WAY AS SURFSIDE HAS DONE. 
          MR. MAYOR, THAT CAN BE TAKEN UP AS A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO RAISE IT AS SOMETHING THAT'S TANGENTIAL TO THIS, CERTAINLY, BUT NOT A PART OF THE RESOLUTION. 
          WE HAD A WORK SESSION ON THAT IN PART, AND I'D LIKE TO REVISIT IT. 
          BECAUSE I'M VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING OUR ARMS AROUND THAT WITH THE HELP OF OUR REPRESENTATIVE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 7688 AS DRAFTED, WHICH DENIES THE REQUEST TO VACATE. 
          IT'S REQUESTED RIGHT AWAY AND APPROVES THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, INTERIM USE PERMIT, AND VARIANCES TO SUPPORT THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE NORTHARM BOAT LANDING REDESIGN SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          HENNEPIN COUNTY, THE OWNER MUST OBTAIN ALL PERMITS AND APPROVALS FROM OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. 
          PROHIBITION OF PARKING AND OPERATION OF SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGING, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT UPDATED UNDER C-5 WITHIN THE RESOLUTION. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, SUBMITTAL OF LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING PLANS, WHICH PROVIDES ADEQUATE... 
          SCREENING AND BUFFERING ON OFF-SITE ACTIVITY LIGHTING FOR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE OFF-SITE IMPACTS. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I'LL SECOND. 
          DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. 
          ACCESS DOES NOT HAVE A CLOSE DATE. 
          WE DO HAVE LIGHTS GOING OFF AT 10 P.M. 
          SO THAT WOULD... 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE LIGHTING. 
          DO YOU USE SPECIFIC TYPES OF BULBS THAT DO NOT INTERFERE WITH INSECT POPULATIONS AND OR MIGRATORY BIRDS? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT DETAIL. 
          I NEED TO GET THAT FROM SOMEONE. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          YEAH, I'M GUY WITH THE HENNEPIN COUNTY PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE LIGHTING PLAN THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED KEPT GETTING REDUCED. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE IDEA OF ALWAYS USING LOW-MOUNTED WALLS SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T GET GLARE. 
          WE WORK WITH STARRY SKIES, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, DARK SKIES, SO THERE'S NO UPLIGHTING COMPONENT TO IT. 
          IN TERMS OF THE COLOR TEMPERATURE, WE ARE PROPOSING 03,000 K. 
          WHICH IS MUCH LOWER THAN THE 4000K, WHICH IS THE BLUISH LIGHT. 
          WE WOULD GO DOWN TO 2700K, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY A LIGHT TEMPERATURE THAT IS OFFERED IN A COMMERCIAL SETTING. 
          THAT'S MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT HOME, INCANDESCENT LIGHT, YOU KNOW, A LAMP AT A TABLE. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING CONTROLS, BEYOND JUST, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS THAT WE HAVE OF SUNRISE TO PRETTY MUCH 10 P.M., WE ALSO HAVE IT SO THAT IT IS DIMMABLE. 
          EVERYTHING WILL BE DIMMABLE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ABLE TO BE ADJUSTED JUST IN CASE IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S ANYBODY YOU KNOW THAT TAKES AN EXCEPTION TO IT WE CAN JUST FINE-TUNE IT. 
          I'VE LEARNED THAT THIS SITE REALLY NEEDS MINIMAL LIGHTING YOU KNOW EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW MORE LIGHTING IS SAFER BECAUSE 
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I LIVE IN MINNEAPOLIS BUT ORONO IS A DIFFERENT CITY SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS MINIMIZE THE LIGHTING AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, BE A NUISANCE TO ANYBODY. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUISANCE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          OUR LAKESHORE CITY IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, AND THIS IS GOING TO INTRODUCE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ELEMENT TO THAT AREA. 
          SO WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING IS IF THERE'S CERTAIN TYPES OF BULBS THAT ARE AMBER COLORED OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WILL DEFLECT INSECT POPULATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR OUR WILDLIFE. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT? WELL, IT'LL BE LED BULBS BECAUSE THEY'RE MOST EFFICIENT. 
          A COLOR TEMPERATURE OF 3,000 K, WHICH IS ON THE WARMER END OF THE SPECTRUM. 
          LIGHT POLES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT 30 FEET TALL, BUT LOWER THAN THAT. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE PHOTOMETRICS, THERE'S GOING TO BE ZERO LIGHT SPILLAGE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE SHIELDED, SO RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WE HAVE ZERO IN TERMS OF THE PHOTOMETRICS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? NOW I'LL CALL THE QUESTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. 
          AYE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES, I BELIEVE, 3-2. 
          [12) Public Works Commodities Yard and Salt Shed (24-035)]
THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS UNDER CITY ADMINISTRATOR ENGINEER REPORT. 
          SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. EDWARDS. 
          MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMODITIES YARD AND SALT SHED. 
          THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY WAS FINISHED CONSTRUCTION IN 2024. 
          THE COMMODITIES YARD AND SALT SHED WAS ELIMINATED FROM THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF CONSTRUCTION TO MEET SOME COST RESTRICTIONS. 
          WE BEGAN REDESIGNING THAT PORTION OF THE... 
          THE FACILITY IN 2024 AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE COUNCIL PACKET WE CARRIED THAT UP THROUGH 2025 AT WHICH TIME THE COUNCIL HAS TO PAUSE DESIGN EFFORTS ON THAT SO WE DID PAUSE IT THIS YEAR DURING THE COUNCIL GOALS ESTABLISHMENT PROCESS IT WAS BROUGHT BACK UP TO STAFF THAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REINITIATE THAT PROJECT SO THEREFORE I'VE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO SEE COUNCIL GUIDANCE. 
          ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD REINITIATE AND COMPLETE THE DESIGN WORK FOR THAT. 
          AT THIS TIME, I HAVE NOT GONE AND REALLY EXPENDED ANY STAFF OR CONSULTANT TIME IN DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF UPDATES. 
          I EXPECT COSTS TO BE RELATIVELY THE SAME, WITH OBVIOUSLY A YEAR HAS GONE BY, SO YOU WOULD EXPECT... 
          THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, IF WE'RE RESTARTING THIS, WOULD BE TO REASSEMBLE THE DESIGN TEAM, GET SOME UPDATES, FINISH THE DESIGN AND THE BID PACKET, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF BIDS WE COULD GET. 
          POSSIBLE, DEPENDING ON TIMES AND OUR CONSULTANT AVAILABILITY, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THIS DONE AND OUT FOR BID YET THIS SUMMER, MAYBE CONSTRUCTED YET THIS YEAR, AND IF NOT, CONSTRUCTED IN THE 20TH. 
          QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I'D LIKE TO HOLD OFF ON THIS, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE EYES ON THIS PROJECT AND GIVE US HIS BLESSING, SO TO SPEAK, ON THIS PROJECT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO MAKE HIM MORE SUCCESSFUL IN HIS POSITION. 
          RATHER THAN THROW THEM INTO SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. 
          SO THAT IS WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          OTHER THOUGHTS? I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TIMING HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO NEW VERY CRITICAL POSITIONS IN OUR CITY, AND ONE OF THESE POSITIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS IS A PAY GRADE INCREASE, AND WE'VE ASKED FOR A VERY DIFFERENT SKILL SET. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE IDEAS IS BUDGETING, CAPITAL PURCHASING, PLANNING, FUTURE PLANNING. 
          PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. 
          AND THIS ITEM IN PARTICULAR IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO GET A DIFFERENT SET OF EYES ON TO INFORM US ABOUT OUR OPTIONS, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S POSSIBILITIES OF CUTTING COSTS OR RECONFIGURING. 
          I WOULD HATE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT THAT HAS STARTED 
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WITH THE PREDECESSOR AND NOT BE ABLE TO INCLUDE OUR NEW DIRECTOR IN THIS CURRENT PLAN. 
          SO I WOULD... 
          BE AN AGREEMENT AND I WOULD... 
          SO JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THE NEW DIRECTOR STARTS ON MONDAY, SO HE WILL VERY MUCH BE PART OF THE PROCESS, 100%. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          LET ME CLARIFY WHAT I MEAN BY THIS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE PROJECT. 
          THOSE OF US WHO HAVE COME INTO COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE STEP IN, SOMETIMES WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE, AS YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, WHATEVER'S COMING AT US. 
          WE HAVE THE ABILITY AS A COUNCIL TO ALLOW OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO LEARN OPERATIONS, SPEND TIME WITH STAFF. 
          GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WELL THINGS ARE WORKING OR NOT. 
          AND MY OPINION IS THAT INTRODUCING IN THE FIRST NUMBER OF WEEKS A MILLION-DOLLAR-PLUS PROJECT THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS HAD NO PART IN RECOMMENDING OR DESIGNING IS GOING TO START WITH THAT ON THEIR PLATE. 
          SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT DO THAT, AND IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO TAKE TIME TO LEARN. 
          TO ALLOW OUR NEW DIRECTOR TO LEARN AND TO ADVISE COUNCIL ON THE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THIS ONE PROJECT. 
          SO IT IS GREATER THAN THIS ONE PROJECT. 
          OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THIS IS VERY MUCH CITY ENGINEER. 
          THE DIRECTOR WILL BE PART OF IT. 
          I KNOW OF A GREAT DEAL OF CONTINUITY. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE WITH TAKING A STEP BACK ON THIS. 
          HOWEVER, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT OUR CURRENT SALT SHED SITS ON THE EDGE OF A WETLAND, AND I THINK WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE WITH KEEPING THAT IN OPERATION ON ANY SORT OF LONG-TERM BASIS. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION OF GETTING THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS BUY IN ON THAT. 
          WAIT YEARS TO DO THIS EITHER. 
          I ALSO THINK THE NEW SALT SHED WILL BE AT THE TOP OF A HILL WHERE THERE IS A WATERSHED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL. 
          SO YEAH, YEAH EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MOVE IT BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE DESIGNED IT AND BUILT IT INTO A PLAN THAT IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THAT WETLAND WITH ALL OF THE STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE JUST TO DO THAT WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE AT THE OLD LOCATION. 
          I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO BUILD. 
          WHAT WE HAVE, THE OLD LOCATION, WHERE IT IS AND HOW IT IS TODAY. 
          SO THAT IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST THINGS, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, OF TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND GET OUR COMMODITIES AND SALT INTO AN ENVIRONMENTALLY MORE RESPONSIBLE CONFIGURATION THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          WE DO HAVE FOUR BAYS AND F BAYS AND SEPARATORS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF ALREADY BUILT. 
          READY TO RECEIVE THIS, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT INTO PLACE AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN AND SITE CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO THE BIT THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT IS WHAT SITS ON TOP OF IT, WHICH IS THE ASPHALT, THE WALLS, AND THEN... 
          THIS PLANT ALREADY HAS A SALT SHED WITH SIZE AND SHAPE. 
          TO ME, I GUESS I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT... 
          HOW LARGE OF A SALT SHED DOES ORONO NEED? I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER BENSON AND I VISITED SEVEN SALT SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITIES, AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY LARGE SHED COMPARED TO SOMEBODY LIKE CORCORAN, WHO HAS A GROWING POPULATION, WHO HAS A MUCH SMALLER SALT SHED THAN THIS, PLUS A MUCH SMALLER PUBLIC WORKS THAN WE HAVE, YET THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. 
          MORE OF A ROAD THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF. 
          SO I GUESS I JUST WANT NEW EYES ON THIS. 
          SURE, YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO, IS TO RESTART THAT PROCESS AGAIN. 
          YOU'RE ASKING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH THIS TO GET THIS THING BUILT THIS YEAR. 
          IT COULD BE, IF WE COULD MOVE IT THAT FAST. 
          I ALSO SEE THAT WE HAVE A BIG PROJECT WITH HACKBERRY DISCUSSION COMING UP RIGHT AFTER THIS, SO I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME DOING BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THAT'S JUST ME. 
          THAT'S JUST ME. 
          SURE. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M ONLY ONE PERSON UP HERE. 
          YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS THE CAPACITY. 
          WE'VE HANDLED MUCH MORE IN THE PAST. 
          ANY OBJECTION TO PUTTING THIS ON THE SHELF FOR THE TIME BEING? YEAH, I SAY I FALL FOR PUTTING IT ON THE SHELF. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN OFFICIAL ACTION HERE. 
          I ONLY WANT AN OFFICIAL ACTION IF YOU WANT ME TO RE-ENGAGE. 
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YEAH. 
          SO THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDANCE THAT THE COUNCIL GAVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. 
          SO IF THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF ON IT, THAT'S FINE. 
          I WILL HOLD OFF AND WE'LL UPDATE THE COUNCIL GOALS APPROPRIATELY. 
          I THINK THAT GUIDANCE CAME ALSO WHEN WE'RE IN A VERY DIFFERENT POSITION WITH OUR STAFF. 
          SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED, AND I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE GAVE SOME BREATHING ROOM AND, AS YOU SAY, A SECOND SET 
          [13) Hackberry Park Revitalization Project (24-028) Award]
OF EYES AND HOLD OFF. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 13, HACKBERRY PARK REVITALIZATION PROJECT. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE AWARDING OF BIDS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          BACK TO MR. EDWARDS. 
          MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE DID RECEIVE BIDS LAST WEEK FOR THE HACKBERRY PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          WE RECEIVED FIVE BIDS, WHICH ARE OUTLINED IN THE COUNCIL ACTION. 
          UNLIKE MOST OF THE TIME WHEN I BRING AN AWARD TO YOU AND I EASILY CAN TELL YOU THE RECOMMENDED LOW BIDDER IS X, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE HAVE BID ALTERNATES INVOLVED IN THE BID PROCESS AND THE WAY THAT THE BIDS CAME IN, THE ANSWER ON WHO THE RECOMMENDED LOW BIDDER IS DEPENDS ON THE DECISIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAKES. 
          JUST AS A REVIEW, THE WAY THAT WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS, WE HAVE A BASE BID WHICH COVERS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT, SO THE GRADING, PARKING LOT, STORMWATER, AND THE ATHLETIC FIELD WORK. 
          WE HAD THEN BID ALTERNATE NUMBER ONE, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE PROVISION OF A PAVILION. 
          STRUCTURE THAT INCLUDES OUTDOOR PICNIC TABLE SPACE AS WELL AS FUNCTIONING TOILETS AND A LITTLE BIT OF STORAGE, INTERIOR STORAGE, A FULLY PLUMBED FACILITY. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ADDED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING RIGHT BEFORE WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS, BID ALTERNATE NUMBER TWO, WHICH CONSISTED OF TAKING THE SPORTS COURT FACILITY ON TOP OF THE HILL, THE EXISTING BASKETBALL COURT. 
          THE REQUEST THEN WAS TO LOOK AT TURNING IT 90 DEGREES, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITIES TO THAT. 
          I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR BID ON THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE PUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY ASSOCIATE WITH ANY KIND OF SPORTS COURT IN THERE BECAUSE IT HAD COME SO LAST MINUTE WE WEREN'T EXACTLY SURE HOW MUCH TO INCLUDE SO THAT WE COULD BACK ANYTHING OUT YOU DIDN'T WANT. 
          SO I GUESS IF... 
          SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO BID JUST THE BASE BID, THEN WE'LL NEED A RES FOR THAT. 
          IF WE WANT TO DO ALTERNATE ONE, THEN IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION. 
          IF WE WANT TO DO ALTERNATE TWO, THEN I WOULD ALSO ASK FOR SOME COUNCIL GUIDANCE ON SOME OF THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THAT BECAUSE WE QUITE FRANKLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DESIGN THAT LIKE WE DID EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          WE SPENT A YEAR ON. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YOU MENTIONED THERE WERE FIVE BIDS, BUT I ONLY SEE THERE ARE TWO COMPANIES LISTED HERE. 
          WERE THERE THREE OTHER COMPANIES WHO PUT IN BIDS? YES. 
          THEY SHOULD BE IN THE BID TAB. 
          THAT ONE? OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR AGENDA ITEM. 
          YEAH, THERE'S TWO LISTED THERE BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE. 
          YES, YES. 
          I GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK AFTER TALKING TO RESIDENTS AND TALKING TO COUNCIL MEMBER PERSHING, I WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND LOOKED AT THE BASKETBALL COURT AND THE ALTERNATIVES AND I MAY BE SPEAKING FOR YOU, SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          BUT WE FOUND IT UNFAVORABLE TO LOSE ANY MORE TREES THERE THAN WE HAVE TO. 
          AND TO YOUR POINT, IF WE WERE TO TURN IT, WE WOULD LOSE ONE OR PERHAPS TWO TREES. 
          SO THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO. 
          SO AT THE MOST, I THINK WE WOULD MAYBE LIKE ONE OTHER HOOP ADDED, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING REALLY CHANGED AS FAR AS THAT BASKETBALL. 
          I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT PAINTED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONDITION, YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON THE CONDITION OF THE COURT ITSELF, WHETHER THAT HAS TO BE RECONDITIONED OR... 
          UM WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS I KNOW AT THE BEGINNING YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO NOTHING AT THIS POINT CORRECT SO YEP SO THE THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION IS OUR PLAN AS WE WENT THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND EVERYTHING FOR THE PARK AS OVERALL WAS FOR THIS PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW THE IDEA WAS LEAVE EVERYTHING KIND OF ON THAT TOP 
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OF THAT HILL PLAYGROUND BASKETBALL COURT THAT WHOLE AREA WOULD JUST WOULD BE LEFT ALONE FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECTS, BUT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS. 
          AND SO I GUESS IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TURNING THE COURT AND PUTTING UP A BUNCH OF FENCING AND DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT TO BE NOT TO AWARD BID ALTERNATE TO. 
          THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER BASKETBALL HOOP OR EVEN DOING SOME STRIPING OR DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESURFACING WE COULD EASILY DO AS A SEPARATE PROJECT. 
          AND SOME OF THAT, LIKE IF IT'S JUST INSTALLING ANOTHER BASKETBALL HOOP, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PROCURE AND HAVE OUR STAFF DO AS TIME PERMITTED TO INSTALL SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT DOES SIT WITHIN THEIR SKILL SETS TO BE ABLE TO DO. 
          AND IT'S ASPHALT UP THERE, SO IF WE WERE GOING TO RESURFACE, THAT WORST PUSH COMES TO SHOVE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT REDOING THOSE ROADS IN TWO YEARS, DO A LITTLE BIT OF ASPHALT WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT. 
          I THINK INCLUDING THE ALTERNATE TWO AROUND THAT AREA IS SOME CEMENT, SOME POTENTIAL PADS FOR TABLES. 
          WOULD WE PUSH THAT OFF AS WELL UNTIL WE WERE TO KIND OF TAKE ON THAT ENTIRE SPACE? UP THERE UNDER THE YOU KNOW WHERE THE PLAYGROUND AND THE BASKETBALL AREA IS YEAH AND THAT WELL THAT WAS KIND OF THE PHILOSOPHY EARLY ON WAS THAT YOU KNOW THE PLAYGROUND IS RELATIVELY GOOD CONDITION BUT IT'S GOING TO NEED SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW THE FIVE TO TEN YEAR POINT AND AT THAT TIME THEN YOU KNOW THE THE CITY THE PARKS COMMISSION COUNCIL KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT THAT AREA UP THERE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND AND EVERYTHING IS A SEPARATE PROJECT. 
          IT COULD BE. 
          WE COULD DO SOMETHING, SMALL CONCRETE PADS WE CAN DO. 
          WE'VE DONE THOSE OURSELVES IN THE PAST, AS TIME PERMITS, OR WE COULD TACK ON TO ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          AGAIN, I THINK TO KEEP THIS PROJECT SIMPLE, IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT TURNING THAT SPORTS COURT AND EVERYTHING, I WOULD SAY NO TO BID ALTERNATE TWO. 
          TO FOCUS OUR ENERGY ON THE OTHER, THE PARK, AND THEN WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          SPEAKING OF KEEPING IT SIMPLE, MY PREFERENCE IS TO NOT TACKLE THIS PAVILION BATHROOM, AND IT'S FOR A COUPLE REASONS. 
          AT THIS TIME, ANYWAY, WE'RE LOOKING, WE JUST HAD A BUDGETING DISCUSSION, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY KEEP COSTS LOW, AND THIS PROJECT... 
          REALLY STARTED BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE AND WANTING TO UPDATE THOSE BALL FIELDS AND WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. 
          SO MY FEELING ON THIS PAVILION IS THAT IT ADDS INFRASTRUCTURE, IT COULD ADD POTENTIAL SAFETY CONCERNS GIVEN THAT A PARKING LOT IS RIGHT THERE AND FOLKS GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS WITH LITTLE ONES RUNNING WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE KIDS RUN THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PAVILION. 
          IT'S ALSO MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          NOT JUST TO BUILD, BUT TO MAINTAIN. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE HAVE A PORTA POTTY, I'M GUESSING THAT THE COMPANY WHO SERVICES THAT IS THE ONE TAKING CARE OF THAT, NOT OUR CITY STAFF. 
          OUR CITY STAFF WILL BE DEALING WITH ANY DEFACING OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH TENDS TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE, UNLIKE TREES AND THINGS. 
          IT'S VULNERABLE TO THAT. 
          IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS TO CLEAN AND SERVICE. 
          AND I'M LOOKING OPERATIONALLY AT THE WAY OUR STAFF IS SPREAD RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED ABOUT CURRENT PARK MAINTENANCE, AND I ALWAYS SAY OUR STAFF WORKS INCREDIBLY HARD. 
          THEY CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AT EVERY TIME. 
          AND SO I'M JUST MINDFUL OF ADDING IN TOO MUCH AND SPENDING MORE MONEY, REQUIRING MORE OPERATIONAL DOLLARS, MORE REPAIR DOLLARS, AND NOT LIVING IN THIS SPACE AS YOU WOULD MAYBE WITH A HOME REMODEL, WHERE YOU BITE OFF A LITTLE BIT, SEE HOW IT GOES. 
          SEE WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS, SEE IF IT'S ENOUGH, AS OPPOSED TO GOING ALL OUT AND REALIZING, WOW, WE EITHER DIDN'T NEED IT OR MAYBE IT'S CAUSING SOME UNFORESEEN ISSUES. 
          MY FEELING, MY OPINION ON THIS IS THE PLAN LOOKS GOOD AT THIS POINT, AND I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF PROCEEDING WITHOUT BIDDING OUT MORE WORK ON ALTERNATIVES. 
          SO GREAT, THAT PLACE NEEDS A REVAMP. 
          SO THE SPORT COURT, I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU'RE WAITING ON THAT BECAUSE THE SPORT COURT, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE THIS THREE-ON-THREE BASKETBALL. 
          YOU NEED ONE HOOP, SMALLER COURT. 
          I'VE BEEN JONESING FOR A SPORT COURT FOR THESE KIDS DOWN HERE IN CRYSTAL BAY THAT COME OUT THERE, ORDER PIZZA, AND THEY'RE PLAYING THREE-FOUR. 
          I WILL DONATE AS YOU GO 
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FORWARD. 
          I WILL DONATE $25,000 TO A THREE-ON-THREE SPORT CODE AS YOU PURSUE THAT. 
          IT IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          I'M JONESING THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS UP. 
          SO MY COMMITMENT'S THERE, AND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THIS THREE-ON-THREE BASKETBALL SPORT CARD. 
          GOT THE LINES THERE AND ONE HOOP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, RICHIE. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE TRY TO STAGE THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE PROBABLY NEED SOME PORTA-POTTIES THERE, EXPENSIVE TO PUT IN. 
          SO, AND JUST SO, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT BEFORE. 
          THE BASE PROJECT, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, DOES INCLUDE THE RUNNING OF UTILITIES TO THAT SITE FOR A FUTURE PAVILION, AND THEN WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY CONCRETE AT LEAST PART OF THE CONCRETE PAD THERE FOR... 
          PORTA POTTIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A SPOT IDENTIFIED AND THAT WHILE WE'RE TEARING UP THE GROUND, IF WE'VE GOT TO RUN A COUPLE PIPES AND GET THEM TO THE RIGHT PLACE, THAT WE DO THAT AS A PROJECT. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          ALSO, JUST ON THE PAVILION, I DID HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION. 
          THE LIONS CLUB MAY BE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING SOME FUNDING, NOT THE TOTAL. 
          THEY MAY BE. 
          AND THEN ALSO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE I KNOW THE BASEBALL ASSOCIATION IS HERE AND IS IN SUPPORT OF THE BASE PROJECT AND HAS NOT COMMITTED A DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT HAS AND HAS IN THE PAST ALWAYS BEEN WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON THE BASEBALL SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WELL, I'LL COMMENT A LITTLE BIT. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF THE BASE PACKAGE PLUS ALTERNATE ONE. 
          I GUESS I VIEW TACKLING PROJECTS MAYBE PERSONALLY DIFFERENTLY. 
          WHEN I'M DOING THINGS AROUND MY HOUSE, I FIGURE IF I'M GOING TO DO A REMODEL, I'M GOING TO DO ALL THREE LEVELS. 
          AND I DO IT ONCE, DO IT RIGHT, AND MOVE ON. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE PAVILION DOWN HERE STARTS THE PROCESS OF REFLECTING BEST-IN-CLASS PARKS. 
          I THINK IT ALSO DOES A VERY NICE JOB OF... 
          MAKING THIS A SHOWCASE PARK FOR THE CITY OF MORNEAU. 
          AND I THINK THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SHUTTING IT DOWN AND TEARING IT UP FOR QUITE SOME TIME, IT SEEMS TO ME TO MAKE A TON OF SENSE TO GET THIS PARK TO A POSITION AND REPRESENT WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE DOING IN FUTURE PARKS. 
          AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING... 
          THE BASE PACKAGE AND ALTERNATE ONE, I DO THINK IT ADDS A LOT OF VALUE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD LOOK FANTASTIC DOWN THERE, AND THAT'S MY POINT. 
          I THINK IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. 
          I HAVE HESITANCY. 
          GOING AHEAD WITH THAT PART. 
          LIKE THE BASE PLAN, IT IMPROVES IT. 
          I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND THE KIDS ALL PLAY IN THERE. 
          AND GETTING THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE TAKEN CARE OF, GETTING THOSE FIELDS PLAYABLE, GETTING THE SAFETY OF THE BACKSTOPS, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE IT NOT LOOK LIKE IT DOES NOW. 
          AND LOSING THE DEAD TREES THAT WE HAVE THERE AND REPLACING THEM WITH. 
          GOOD TREES THAT ARE, I THINK, AS MUCH AS I LIKE THAT PAVILION AND HAVING THAT AND STEPPING RIGHT OUT TO IT, I LIKE TAKING IT ONE STEP AT A TIME. 
          CAN I ASK YOU, ADAM, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A PAD THERE, WOULD YOU MAKE THE PAD AS LARGE AS YOU WOULD FOR THE PAVILION AND FOR THE WHOLE PAD? NOT NECESSARILY. 
          I'M GUESSING WE WOULD LEAVE THE PORTION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE UTILITIES UP. 
          BEAR FOR RIGHT NOW SO THAT WHEN WE PIPE STICKING OUT OF THE CONCRETE PAD IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARK BUT PROBABLY I'M JUST GUESSING IT WILL ALTER IT A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU KNOW WE WOULD HAVE A SUFFICIENT PAD THERE TO PUT THE PORTA POTTIES AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BUT UH I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING UM AN ISSUE RAISED BY THE PARKS COMMISSION ABOUT FENCING UM BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FENCING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ESSENTIALLY JUST REPLACES WHAT WE HAD. 
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CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SO THERE'S DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF FENCING. 
          SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT FENCING AROUND THE SPORTS COURT. 
          THEN DOWN AROUND THE REST OF THE BALL FIELD, WE HAVE 12-FOOT BACKSTOPS FOR THE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS. 
          WE THEN HAVE SIX FOOT TALL. 
          FENCING IN FRONT OF WHAT YOU CALL THE DUGOUT AREA WHERE THE PLAYERS ARE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE 42-INCH FENCING THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THAT ALONG THE BASELINES. 
          THAT 42-INCH FENCING, I THINK, IS THE ONE THAT KEEPS CAUSING THE CONFUSION. 
          SO THERE IS EXISTING 42-INCH FENCE OUT THERE. 
          THERE WAS MORE 42-INCH FENCING OUT THERE. 
          WE TOOK SOME OF IT OUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT WAS UNSAFE, AND SO WE REMOVED IT. 
          AND A LARGE PART OF YOU THE 42-INCH FENCING IS ALONG THE SIDE NEXT TO WILLOW ROAD, SO IT'S IN BETWEEN THE BALL FIELDS, NOT JUST THE BASEBALL FIELDS, BUT THE SPORTS FIELDS AND THE PARKING LOT, AND THE SPORTS FIELDS AND THE STORMWATER, AND THEN IT'S ALSO ON THE ENDS OF WHERE THE SPORTS FIELDS COULD BE SITUATED FOR THE FIELD SPORTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP BALLS AND SMALL CHILDREN FROM... 
          INADVERTENTLY RUNNING OUT INTO THE ROADWAY. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT WE PUT AND EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO COVER THE END. 
          SPORTS FIELDS ARE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BY, LIKE, THE LACROSSE COMMUNITY. 
          PITCH A LACROSSE BALL TENDS TO BOUNCE AND GO A LONG WAY, AND THEY WANTED SOMETHING THAT WOULD. 
          COULD YOU PULL UP THAT GRAPHIC SO WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT? WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PARKS COMMISSION HERE THAT CAN SPEAK TO THE CONCERN DIRECTLY. 
          I JUST WANT TO REFLECT THAT WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING, AND WE WERE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER IN THE PROCESS. 
          WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          BUT WE VOTED 5-0 TO RETAIN THE FENCING ONLY TO THE INFIELD BECAUSE WE FELT THERE WAS TOO MUCH FENCING. 
          AND REALLY, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT HAS TO HAVE SPORTS FIELDS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT FEELING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE VOTED 5-0 TO STOP THAT FENCING, THE LAST PIECE THAT ADAM TALKED ABOUT, JUST WITH THE INFIELD. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHARED WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE IT ENDS NOW AT THAT FIELD. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THE INFIELD. 
          AT THE INFIELD. 
          IT STOPS AT THE END OF THE BASIS AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SAID THEY'D LIKE THE FENCING TO STOP THERE. 
          WHERE IT DOES NOW. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, SO NOT TO HAVE THE LONG TAILS ON THE SIDE. 
          I THINK THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          IF THIS WAS JUST SIMPLY USED FOR SOFTBALL, T-BALL, WHATEVER'S BEING PLAYED THERE, IT WOULD BE VERY COMMON TO END THAT FENCING WHERE IT DOES TODAY, WHICH IS RIGHT AT THE INFIELD, WHERE THE INFIELD ENDS. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION HAS BECOME, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE USED WITH MORE ACTIVITIES, DOES IT MAKE SENSE IF THERE'S COMMON, REGULAR USE? OF THESE OTHER SPORTS TO EXTEND THIS FURTHER? AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN OTHER SPORTS ARE USING IT. 
          IF OTHER SPORTS DON'T USE IT THAT MUCH, IT SEEMS TO ME TO MAKE SENSE TO END THAT FENCING WHERE IT DOES TODAY, WHICH IS JUST ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE INFIELD ENDS. 
          IT WAS EXTENDED AT THE REQUEST OF SOME OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SAID THAT THE REASON THEY DON'T USE IT MORE IS BECAUSE THAT'S STUFF THAT WE GOT FROM STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AS WELL. 
          I DON'T REALLY PERSONALLY CARE. 
          IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO BUILD FENCE, I WON'T BUILD FENCE. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS PUT IT IN LATER. 
          FENCING'S NOT HARD. 
          KIND OF THOUGH TO THE PERIOD IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE OUGHT TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, BUT IF FENCING'S WHAT'S GOING TO HOLD UP THIS PROJECT, THEN... 
          I KNOW FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD... 
          THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN NOT TO HAVE FENCING PAST THE INFIELD. 
          MY CONCERN, AND I SAID THIS WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US LAST TIME, IS THAT IT WOULD CHANGE THE WAY THE PARK FUNCTIONS AND THE WAY IT LOOKS. 
          THIS IS NOT A SPORTING COMPLEX. 
          IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. 
          AND I THINK, AGAIN, TALKING TO NEIGHBORS AND SEEING HOW IT'S USED AND SPENDING MANY, MANY TIMES WITH SMALL KIDS OVER THERE IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE THAT... 
          WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS PARK, HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARY. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN BY JUST FINE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTS OR COMPLAINTS COMING INTO THE CITY ABOUT BALLS THROUGH THERE, AND WE'RE HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. 
          SO MY FEELING, AGAIN, 
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LESS MONEY SPENT, LESS MAINTENANCE IS A GOOD THING. 
          YEAH, AND IT CAN ALWAYS BE ADDED. 
          AND AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CHARACTERIZE IT ADDED BECAUSE OUR YOUTH SPORTS PARTNERS. 
          WAS THAT LACROSSE OR? LACROSSE, I HEARD IT FROM THIS COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN ALSO IN TALKING TO THE SOCCER FOLKS, I DID NOT HEAR IT FROM THE FLAG FOOTBALL FOLKS. 
          ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? SO IN THE COUNCIL ACTION, I PUT A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE MOTIONS THERE FOR YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THIS FIRST ONE HERE IS IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE BASE AND THE ALTERNATE. 
          THIS ALTERNATE THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE IS A. 
          THAT I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED, THAT WOULD BE IF YOU JUST WANTED TO DO THE BASE TOO MOST LIKELY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION THEN, ADAM. 
          IS BLACKSTONE NOT ABLE TO DO BASE ONLY? THEY ARE, BUT THEIR BASE ONLY IS HIGHER. 
          IT'S HIGHER. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SUNRAM HAD A LOWER BASE ONLY BID. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY, OKAY. 
          BUT BLACKSTONE HAD A LOWER BID IF YOU DO BASE PLUS ALTERNATE ONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          MOTION TO AWARD THE HACKBERRY PARK REVITALIZATION PROJECT BASE BID ONLY TO SUNRAM FOR $711,987 AND TO AUTHORIZE BOLTMAN MINK TO PERFORM CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT FOR A FEE NOT TO EXCEED $95,000. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          SECONDED. 
          IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. 
          DOES THAT NEED TO BE PART OF THE MOTION? OH, I JUST NEED GUIDANCE FROM YOU. 
          I'LL BRING BACK A CHANGE ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS THE GUIDANCE WOULD BE TO LIMIT THE FENCING TO INFIELD ONLY. 
          DO I HAVE THAT CORRECT? I THINK THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          TO AUTHORIZE BASE BID ONLY TO SUNRAM BENSON, PLUS THE CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT FEE NOT TO EXCEED $95,000. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. 
          [Mayor and Council Report]
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL REPORTS. 
          ANYTHING TO... 
          ANYTHING TO REPORT? WE SHOULD ALSO ASK COUNCIL IF THERE'S ANYTHING, I GUESS. 
          IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE ALWAYS ASK. 
          NO. 
          WELL, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE TWO. 
          YEAH, THERE IS SOMETHING TO UPDATE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WE DID GET A COURT OF APPEALS OPINION ON AN ITEM THAT THE CITY HAD INVOLVED IN SOME LITIGATION. 
          IT WAS THE TAUNTON'S HAD SUED A CITY OVER THE DENIAL OF A VARIANCE. 
          IT PREVAILED AT DISTRICT COURT, AND THE COURT OF APPEALS DID RECENTLY UPDATE. 
          WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE IF THEY PETITIONED THE SUPREME COURT. 
          THAT'S A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW OF SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE IT UP. 
          SO WE SHOULD KNOW WITHIN 30 DAYS WHETHER THAT'S BEEN, QUOTE, FINALIZED. 
          THE CITY HAS A NICE PROVISION LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT A LAND IS EITHER APPROVAL OR DENIAL. 
          SECOND ITEM IS I WILL SHOOT OUT AN EMAIL TOMORROW MORNING REGARDING COUNCIL SALARIES. 
          I KIND OF DOUBLE-CLUTCHED WHEN ASKED. 
          IT IS THE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE THE SALARY, IT NEEDS TO TAKE EFFECT AFTER THE ELECTION, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO REDUCE, THERE ARE OPTIONS BEFORE THE ELECTION. 
          SO I CAN SEND THAT EMAIL. 
          I'LL WATCH YOU ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN PERPERSIAN. MR. MAYOR. MIGHT JUST HAVE ONE STAFF UPDATE FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE OUR COMP PLAN OPEN HOUSE ON WEDNESDAY, THIS WEDNESDAY HERE IN CITY HALL FROM 5 TO 7 P.M. OKAY, YEAH, I'LL GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE. 
          THIS WEDNESDAY WE HAVE A SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT BOARD MEETING. TOPICS, JUST PRIMARY TOPICS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED ARE THE 2027 BUDGET, SO WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY. ALSO, PROCESS AND TIMING FOR HIRING A FIRE CHIEF WILL BE DISCUSSED AND SHARED. AND THEN THE LAST MAJOR HIGHLIGHT THAT I'LL SHARE IS WE'RE LISTENING TO A CONSULTANT REPORT ON FIRE 
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DEPARTMENT OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH LONG LAKE AND WYZETTA AND SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO IT SHOULD BE A REALLY INTERESTING MEETING. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT AND THANK BOTH THEM AND THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I ATTENDED. MY SON'S HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION ALONG WITH MANY OTHER STUDENTS LAST WEEK AND THERE WAS A WEATHER EVENT SO THE ENTIRE GRADUATION MID-CEREMONY HAD TO MOVE FROM THE FIELD INSIDE WHICH IS NO SMALL FEAT AND EVERYONE DID SUCH AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF ORGANIZING SHORELINE FIRE WAS THERE OPD AND IT WAS VERY EFFICIENT IT WAS VERY SAFELY DONE EVERYONE WORKED TOGETHER AND IT WAS JUST A VERY VERY NICE CEREMONY DESPITE THE WEATHER AND JUST SEEING THAT LEVEL OF COMMITMENT AND TEAMWORK. 
          ALONG WITH OUR SCHOOL PARTNERS. SO, NICELY DONE. I ATTENDED THE PARKS COMMISSION MEETING, AS KIM MENTIONED. THEY DID TAKE A VOTE ON HACKBERRY AFTER SOME DISCUSSION. THEY ALSO HAD SOME VERY GREAT DISCUSSIONS ON THEIR GOALS, AND THEY WERE DOING SOME WORK AND BUILDING ON A FEW THINGS THAT AN OLD COMMISSIONER... JANIE DELANEY HAD WORKED ON, AND IT WAS A VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING, SO KUDOS TO THE PARKS COMMISSION. GOOD. EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. OH, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT. I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE TO REPORT IS I ATTENDED A REGIONAL COUNCIL MAYOR'S MEETING TODAY OVER THE NOON HOUR. VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION ABOUT DATA CENTERS, AS WELL AS AI FOR CITIES, HOW TO POSSIBLY USE AI TO, IN EFFECT, REDUCE HEADCOUNT. VIEW OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THE THIRD THING AS WELL, I GUESS WE GOT A STATE DEMOGRAPHER GAVE A PRESENTATION ON HOW OUR POPULATION IN MINNESOTA IS OCCASIONS OF THAT FOR POLICY MAKERS. IT'S A VERY INTERESTING MEETING AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE ANY DETAILS WITH ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT MAY BE INTERESTED. ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE THE MEETING? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8.17. THANK YOU ALL FOR HANGING IN THERE WITH US.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.