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PLEASE JOIN YOUR COUNCIL IN PLEDGING YOUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE INDIVISIBLE.
AGAIN, WELCOME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS
[Approval of Agenda]
TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.[Consent Agenda]
OF ITEMS PRELIMINARILY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.THESE ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE, WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION, WITH NO DISCUSSION UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF REQUESTS THE ITEM BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND ACTION.
TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, CITY COUNCIL MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
NUMBER THREE, RESIGNATION OF A POLICE OFFICER.
FOUR IS HIRING OF SEASONAL EMPLOYEES.
FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN ARE ALL DONATIONS.
SOCCER GOALS FOR BEATERWOOD PARK.
BALLISTICS CHRONOGRAPH FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND ROUNDS OF GOLF AT LAFAYETTE COUNTRY CLUB, AGAIN, FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER EIGHT IS DISPOSAL OF PROPERTY.
BICYCLES THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER NINE, THE EXTENSION, A TIME EXTENSION FOR A TRANSIENT MERCHANT TO SELL FIREWORKS.
NUMBER TEN IS AN AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FLEET SERVICES TO THE SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND 11 AND 12 ARE SETBACK VARIANTS FOR 2090 SHORELINE DRIVE AND A HARDCOVER VARIANTS FOR...
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AMONG THE COUNCIL AND STAFF AS TO ANY REQUESTS TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ADD OTHER ITEMS TO OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO WILL BE PULLED.
WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO...
APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM NUMBER TWO.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM TWO.
IS THERE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[13) Lake Minnetonka Conservation District]
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO A PRESENTATION BY OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LAKE MINNETONKA CONSERVATION DISTRICT, MR. ANDERSON.I LIVE AT 3205 CRYSTAL BAY ROAD IN ORONO.
AND BEFORE I START, I JUST REALIZED...
I'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS IN THIS TOWN FOR 50 YEARS.
I WAS A PUNK AT 23 GOING IN BUSINESS WITH A COUPLE OF MY BUDDIES BECAUSE I HAD MONEY IN THE BANK AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
AND NOW I'M 73 AND STILL KICKING.
I STILL SIGN THE CHECK SO THEY KEEP ME AROUND.
SO THIS COULD GET OVER OUR HEADS, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH IT FAIRLY FAST.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
ONE OF MY TWO MAIN CONCERNS THAT I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT ARE OUR BUDGET AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FINANCES OF THE LMCD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE LMCD NOW THINKS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK INTO AIS, WHICH I'M GOING TO TRY TO...
SHOW YOU THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
SO BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS TREASURER, WE HAD A FUND BALANCE, AS YOU CAN SEE, OF $113,000.
AND THE ASTUTE MAYOR ASKED WHAT THE FUND BALANCE WAS HERE, AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE AUDIT.
AND I'VE TRIED TO RAISE THE QUESTION AT THE LMCD, AND THEY WANT TO WAIT FOR THE AUDIT, EXCEPT THAT...
I DON'T WANT TO BE AN ALARMIST, BUT I WANT TO BE A TRUTH SELLER ON THE FRONT SIDE SO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.
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TREASURER.IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO ONE THING I WANT TO COMMENT ON, THAT WE RAISED OUR LEVY TO $375,000 THIS YEAR FROM $255,000, AND EVERYBODY SAID, WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT USED TO BE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT IT WAS $300,000, AND THE AIS MUNICIPAL DUES WAS $75,000.
SO THAT PART IS NOT TRUE THAT WE WERE ALWAYS AT 375.
I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO IN UH SO THE CITY LEVY IN UH 2021 WAS 59 500 AND THE LEVY AND GO BACK ONE SLIDE I'M SORRY SORRY ADAM JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2022, I MADE THE MOTION BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE AIS, I MADE THE MOTION THAT THE $75,000 SHOULDN'T BE IN THE LEVY ANYMORE BECAUSE WE SOLD THE HARVESTERS AND GET OUT OF AIS.
SO WE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO $300,000 AND GOING FORWARD THERE, MAYBE THIS IS THE EASIER SLIDE TO SEE.
AND WHEN I REDUCED THE RESERVE, I GOT A MOTION TO REDUCE IT 35,000, 35%.
50, YOU'LL FIND OUT WHAT YOURS IS AT, BUT 50, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A BROKEN SEWER LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT.
SO WE USE THE SAME AUDITOR THAT YOU DO, ABDO AND TYLER.
GIVES YOU THE STUFF THAT YOU NEED, AND WE USE THE SAME PERSON, AND THEY DO.
THEY DO MUNICIPALITIES MAINLY, SO 30 TO 50 WAS WHAT HE WAS ALWAYS RECOMMENDING TO US.
BUT IN AN EFFORT TO BRING DOWN THE RESERVES FROM 113 TO 35,000, OR 35%, I'M SO SORRY, 35%, I GOT THAT APPROVED, AND THEREBY WE STARTED REDUCING THE RESERVES DOWN TO THAT 35% NUMBER.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN 2023, WE TOOK MORE OUT OF RESERVES.
REDUCE THE LEVY TO THE CITY CITIES, BUT MAINLY I THINK ABOUT ORONO 255 AND WE CONTINUE THAT TILL ALL THE WAY THROUGH 25 UNTIL THIS YEAR WHERE THEY RAISED IT TO 375 AGAIN GO AHEAD GO AHEAD ADAM OH JUST BEFORE YOU MOVE UP THAT THE TRANSFERS IN LINE THE THIRD LINE FROM THE BOTTOM IS THAT TRANSFERS IN FROM WHERE SAY THAT ONCE MORE, I'M SO SORRY.
THIRD LINE FROM THE BOTTOM, TRANSFERS IN, ADMINISTRATION, WHERE DO THOSE FIGURES COME FROM? WELL, THE TRANSFER IN WAS MONEY THAT WAS COMING OUT OF OUR RESERVES.
SO WE SET THE BUDGET, PUT THE RESERVE NUMBER IN THERE OF 125, AND THEN WITH THE 255, THE NET COST TO THE CITIES.
OVER THOSE FOUR YEARS, YOU WERE DRAWING DOWN YOUR EQUITY? WE WERE, YEP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE FIRST YEAR, THE CITY, WHEN I REDUCED IT TO 250, WHEN I TOOK THE AIS OUT, WE SAVED $11,427.
AND THEN 23 THROUGH 25, INSTEAD OF 59.5, IT WAS 48.02.
AND SO THE TOTAL SAVINGS FROM...
22 TO 25 WAS $67,000 TO THE CITY OF ORONO.
AND SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SLIDE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH.
HOPEFULLY I CAN SHOW YOU THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CALCULATE OUT 3.45 YEARS AT 375 WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SQUARE AT THE $67,000.
SO THIS IS THE WAY THE LEVIES ARE TALLIED UP FOR 2026.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE PAY 12.9%.
SO OUR LEVY THIS YEAR IS $60,000 FROM $40,000, $19,558 INCREASE.
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SHE IS NOT WILLING TO LISTEN TO ME, BUT SO WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR AUDIT JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE.HOWEVER, SHE'S GOT ALL THE NUMBERS.
YOU GUYS HAD A $100,000 SURPLUS.
THAT'S GREAT BUDGETING, IN MY OPINION.
I WATCHED THE PRESENTATION FOR FINAL BUDGET OR FINAL ANALYSIS, RIGHT? AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE RESERVES ARE.
I DIDN'T DO THAT MATH, BUT I COULD HAVE.
YOU CAN SEE IN 2025, OUR RESERVE STARTED, AND JUST IN 2025, WE HAD $385,000 IN RESERVES.
RIGHT HERE, THIS YEAR, WE HAD.
IF WE HAD PROJECTED NORMALLY AT THE END OF 2025, WE'D HAVE BEEN AT 321, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 57%.
BRING IN ANOTHER 60 IN 2026, WHICH WE BUDGETED FOR 2026, WE'D HAVE BEEN AT LIKE THE 35,000. SO THIS IS...
PREDICTING THAT IT WILL BE, IF WE STAY ON BUDGET, WILL BE DOWN TO THE 20.4% AT THE END OF THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE OVERAGE IN 2025.
SO THE 2027 LEVY, WHEN WE START BUDGETING THINGS IN TO GET TO THE 35%, THE NEW LEVY WILL HAVE TO GO UP ANOTHER 88%.
ANOTHER, IT'LL HAVE TO GO TO $689,274.
SO WE'VE GOT $824,000 TO BE AT 35% OF OUR $610,000 THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE BOTTOM NUMBER THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED FOR OUR EXPENDITURES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT TO GET TO THE MINUS $125,000, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
AND THAT GETS YOU A NUMBER THAT WE WOULD OWE $88,916. UP FROM ABOUT $60,000? YEAH.
AND SO, AND REALLY UP FROM, AND IT ALL COMES TO, I TOLD THEM TO AMEND THE BUDGET EARLY ON IN 2025.
IT'S EASY TO, IN MY OPINION, IN BUSINESS, IT'S TOUGH TO...
HAVE VOLUME COME IN, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT YOU EASILY CAN CUT EXPENSES, RIGHT? BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED, AND NOW WE'RE AT THE END OF 2025.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THE PROBLEM IS, AND I TOLD GABRIEL, I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEVY ABOUT, FROM 375, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEVY 500,000 OR 600,000, AND I JUST DID THE FINAL NUMBER TODAY, IT'LL HAVE TO BE AT 689.
SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE UP THE 10% SHORTFALL.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO 35.
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SO THAT'S THE NUMBER.SO YOU SAW THE CHART EARLY ON WHERE THE BLACK LINE WAS AT 35% AND WE WERE ABOVE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOSPEL YET, BUT IT'S SOON TO BE.
AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, IF WE DON'T GO OVER BUDGET, HAVING TO BRING IN $60,000.
LIKE LAST YEAR, WE WANTED TO BRING IN $60,000 WHEN WE BROUGHT IN.
HAD TO BRING IN FROM MISSOURI MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
THIS IS MY PREDICTION THAT AT THE END OF 2026, WE'LL BE AT 20%.
SO THAT NUMBER YOU SAW BEFORE, THE LEVY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO, WOULD CALL FOR THE 10% INCREASE TO GET TO THE 35.
PLUS YOU'VE GOT TO GO 35, SO IT'S ALMOST 50%.
WHAT'S DRIVING ALL THE SPENDING? WELL, SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
I HOPE SOMEBODY WOULD ASK THAT.
SO WE HIRED A SO THERE WAS WE HAD THREE FOLKS IN THE SHOP, AND THEN WE HAD A CONTRACT LABOR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
AND SO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THEY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT SUCCESSION PLANNING.
WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR AT LEAST NINE, HE WAS PROBABLY OUT OF THE LOOP FOR AT LEAST NINE MONTHS.
AND THE THREE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE HANDLED EVERYTHING PERFECTLY.
AND SO THEY HAD THE DESIRE, ALMOST A MANDATE, TO HIRE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
I DIDN'T GET ON THAT COMMITTEE, BUT I DID SIT IN THE FINAL DISCUSSION ON WHO THEY THOUGHT.
AND I VOTED NO, HIRE WITHIN, AND WE'D HAVE THREE PEOPLE THERE.
NOW WE HAVE A GUY THAT'S MAKING $120,000.
YOU'VE GOT $606.25 FOR FICA MEDICARE.
AND SO I DIDN'T DO THE NUMBERS EXACTLY, BUT HE'S GOT HEALTH CARE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO YOU TAKE $150,000 OUT OF THIS BUDGET, WHICH IS WHERE, IN MY OPINION, IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
THE FOLKS IN THE SHOP WERE DOING JUST A WONDERFUL JOB OF MAKING THINGS HAPPEN.
SOLID KID THERE WHO SHOULD HAVE GOT PROMOTED.
SO THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
AND THEN THEY PAID SOMEBODY $22,000 TO GO FIND THIS GUY.
WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT BRINGING IN 60,000, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF WEIRD, BUT I KIND OF EAT, SLEEP, AND DRINK THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DO IT IN MY BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, THE MAIN THING.
NOW, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING FLOWERING RUSH, AND I WANT TO MAKE THE CASE AND SEE IT.
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNLESS SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE HATED, BUT I DON'T CARE BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT.
BUT THEY WANT TO GET INTO FLOWERING RUSH AGAIN.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE IN A FLOWERING RUSH.
THE LMA IS THE MONSTER IN FLOWERING IN ALL KINDS OF AIS STUFF, UNLIKE MINNETONKA.
I COULDN'T GET YOU THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T LET ME SHOW YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY JUST GOT IT HANDLED.
IT'S OVER $100,000 IN GRANTS THAT HE GOT.
LMCD DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
ANYTHING THAT'S DONE WITH ERIC, YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE DNR.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LMCD TO GET THE PERMITS TO DO STUFF.
THE PLUS AND MINUSES OF BAY LIDS, YOU KNOW, I'M A PROPONENT OF THOSE BECAUSE I THINK IT WORKS.
BECAUSE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, I COULDN'T EVEN GET TO MY DOCK BECAUSE THE WEEDS WERE SO BAD.
BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT PRISCILLA CORE DOES FOR FLOWERING RUSH.
SO HERE IS THE PELICAN WATERSHED UP NORTH.
THIS IS THE ENHANCED PICTURE OF BEFORE.
AND SO THAT'S TREATMENT AFTER PRASILICOR FOR FLOWERING RUSH.
BACK IN THE DAY, THE LMCD HAD AN AIS COMMITTEE,
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WHICH WAS MAINLY MILFOIL.AND THEN THEY MOVED ON FROM THERE TO ZEBRA MUSSELS.
AND FLOWERING RUSH IS KIND OF A BIG DEAL.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE LMCD DID, TARGETING.
AREAS FOR UH SO THEY DID THIS STUDY I THINK IT'S 20 IT'S 2021 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LMA DID THIS SO GO ONE MORE SO THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND TREAT THE MILFOIL I'M SORRY FLOWERING RUSH AND GABRIEL AND I, THEY WERE SHORT FINANCES.
WE CAME UP WITH THE EXTRA MONEY, AND WE DID ALL OF THIS.
AND IT'S WAY UNDER CONTROL NOW.
GABE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO, BUT THEY'VE BEEN OUT LOOKING FOR IT, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD TO REDO THAT FOR TWO, THREE YEARS NOW.
SO THIS IS A STUDY THAT THE LMCD DID, 250-PAGE STUDY.
DONE BY THE LMCD IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND AND GO AHEAD SO AND THIS SO WHEN I FOUND OUT GABE AND I YOU KNOW WE BOTH SENT A LETTER TO THE LMCD ABOUT THE HARVESTERS ON MINNETONKA JUST LEAVING ALL THIS CRAP ON OUR SHORELINE AND HE SENT HIS I SENT MINE WE BOTH CAME UP AND TALKED INDEPENDENTLY WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT SO THEN MY GOAL WAS TO GET RID OF THE HARVESTERS.
NOBODY ELSE WOULD TAKE THAT ON BECAUSE THEY'D BEEN HERE.
THAT WAS THE BANNER FOR THE LMCD.
YOU SEE THE HARVESTERS, YOU ASSUME, BUT A LOT OF THIS FLOWERING RUSH THAT'S UP IN THE CORNER OF CRYSTAL BAY, THEY DEPOSITED THAT THERE.
THEY SPREAD IT BECAUSE THEIR EQUIPMENT, THEY DIDN'T COLLECT ALL THIS STUFF.
AND SO MY GOAL WAS TO GET RID OF THE HARVESTERS.
I'VE STILL GOT A BEER COMING FROM THE LMA, PREVIOUS PRESIDENT OF THAT, BECAUSE HE SAID, I NEVER THOUGHT THEY'D LEAVE.
ANYWAY, SO THE GUY THAT, SO THAT WAS NOT A WONDERFUL THOUGHT TO THE LMCD.
SO THAT WAS A $100,000 STUDY THAT THIS GUY, BILL COOK FROM GREENWOOD, SMART GUY, REALLY SMART GUY.
SO THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PUT ON, TALK ABOUT THE HARVESTERS ON AN AGENDA ITEM THE NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE I ASKED ABOUT IT.
THEY DIDN'T PUT IT ON THERE, SO I AMENDED THE AGENDA, AND WE GOT IT ON THERE.
AND THEN BILL COOK MADE THIS COMMENT, THAT BASED ON THE EVALUATION OF THE HARVESTING PROGRAM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED, THAT'S THE 250-PAGE JOBBER, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THE LMC WOULD BE INTERESTED IN COMPLETING HARVESTING AS AN ORGANIZATION.
NOW, AND SO WE GOT 100% EYES ON THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A FELLOW THAT'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM MINNETONKA BEACH THAT WANTS TO GET BACK INTO HARVESTING.
HE SAYS THAT WE CAN RAISE, SO THE NUMBERS I JUST SHOWED YOU IS IF WE DON'T RAISE THE LEVY TO $100,000 TO $200,000, WE CAN RAISE THAT AND TEAM UP WITH THE ALMA.
SO THOSE NUMBERS I SHOWED YOU IS NOT LEVYING FOR AIS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE WHY THIS MINNETONKA BEACH GUY, THEY PAY $7,000 RIGHT NOW, WE PAY $60,000.
IS ASKEW BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THAT MINNETONKA 75, ORONO, I CALL IT THE BIG FIVE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE SEVEN, BUT THEY PAY, TOGETHER WE'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, 50% OR MORE OF THE TOTAL LEVY, 135, NO, NOT QUITE, BUT ANYWAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THE GUYS THAT DON'T PAY ANYTHING TO THE LEVEE THEY GOT ALL THESE IDEAS TO SPEND OUR MONEY.
AND THEY HAVE THE SAME VOTE THAT WE DO.
I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THE UNITED NATIONS WHERE THE BIG FIVE HAVE A VETO VOTE.
THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE SET
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UP.WHO KNOWS? WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND MS. BENSON ASKED ABOUT WHY THEY WOULDN'T.
I HAVE AN IDEA BECAUSE WE HAD THIS 300-FOOT THAT I INITIATED FROM SHORE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AS A CRAWL, WALK, RUN SCENARIO, RIGHT? WE'VE HAD THREE YEARS OF CRAWLING.
BUT I WANTED TO DO A TEST PROJECT IN MAXWELL BAY.
I OFFERED TO PAY FOR IT MYSELF AND MOVE, PUT SOME MARKER BUOYS AT 300 FEET.
WE'VE ALSO ASKED TONY TO MOVE THE CHANNEL BUOYS, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, OUT TO 300 FEET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THEM ARE AT 275.
YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET ANY TRACTION ON THAT.
WE JUST GOT LIP SERVICE, SO HE COULDN'T DO IT.
THAT BUOY THERE, ONE OF THEM IS 275.
THE OTHER ONE IN THE NORTH END OF THE LAKE IS 265.
SO IF YOU MOVED THOSE OUT TO 300, WE'D PUT A COUPLE 300-FOOT BUOYS IN, WE'D BE OFF AND RUNNING.
SO MY CHAIRWOMAN AT THE LMCD, I WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION, AND SHE'S GIVING A PRESENTATION TO SHOOTING CARP, BUT SHE WON'T GIVE ME ONE.
SO AM I A THORN? I AM A THORN.
AND I'M TRYING TO BE NICE, ALYSSA, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE NICE.
SO THIS IS A VIDEO I DID WITH...
CAN YOU PLAY THIS VIDEO? SO, JUST HOLD ON A SECOND.
SO, I WENT DOWN WHEN I HAD THIS IDEA.
THIS IS OKOBOJI, WHERE I SAIL.
LAKE GENEVA IN WISCONSIN, OR YEAH, THIS IS IOWA, OKOBOJI, IOWA, A LAKE VERY SIMILAR TO MINNETONKA.
AND THEY HAVE THESE 300-FOOT BUOYS THAT ARE PUT OUT AT SPOTS FROM SHORE, AND THE VISUAL IS JUST AMAZING.
GO AHEAD, ADAM, PLAY THIS A LITTLE BIT.
SO THESE ARE 300-FOOT BUOYS ALONG THE SHORE.
BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT IF YOU COULD.
I WANTED TO SHOW THE LINE THE 300-FOOT BUOY LINE YEAH, JUST STOP SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE 300, 300, AND YOU SEE THE FAR 300 THERE? SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, LIKE IN FRONT OF OUR MARINA, THAT VISUAL LINE, YOU SLOW DOWN RIGHT THERE.
YOU SEE THAT VISUAL LINE? YOU SLOW DOWN.
IT'S SELF-REGULATING, PLUS IT'S ENFORCEABLE.
SOMEBODY, FEDERALLY, CAN SIT RIGHT ON THAT LINE.
SOMEBODY GO POWERING IN THERE, IT'S ENFORCEABLE.
YOU KNOW, NOT SURE IF I'M GIVING UP ON MY CONCEPT HERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD DO.
IT WOULD SHOW YOU WHERE TO SLOW DOWN AND SELF-REGULATE.
500 SO THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE MACRO SO IT'S IT'S LIKE AND THE WATER PATROL SAYS THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
IT'S A $100 FINE, LIKE GABE KEEPS SAYING.
THEY GOT $225,000 BOATS, $100 FINE.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SO THAT WAS JUST, I THREW THAT IN.
MY MAIN THING IS THE BUDGET AND AIS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR REGGIE? OKAY.
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ARM? DISCUSSION? ARE YOU STAYING FOR THE NORTH ARM DISCUSSION? YEAH.I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP BEFORE.
AS FAR AS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE SAVE THE PARKING SPOTS FOR THE FISHERMEN AT NORTH ARM, AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY HAVING PEOPLE COME IN TO GET A STICKER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FREE TO DESIGNATE THAT THEY'RE THERE TO FISH, AND WHETHER THEY'D HAVE TO SHOW A FISHING...
LICENSE TO GET THE STICKER AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY COULD JUST COME INTO CITY HALL AND GET IT AND PUT IT ON THEIR CAR, BUT IT WOULD BE A FREE STICKER.
THEY'D HAVE TO JUST GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS WITH, I LIKE THAT IDEA PROBABLY, BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THE FISHERMEN WHO WANT TO FISH ON SHORE IN SINGLE CAR PARKER SPOTS, I'M NOT GOING THERE BECAUSE I'VE GIVEN UP ON THE...
LICENSE OVER THE TOP OF THE LMCD LICENSE THAT I'VE TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT, BECAUSE WHAT, AND WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S BASICALLY UNENFORCEABLE, I'M THINKING, AND I MEAN, I REMEMBER THEY SAID, WELL, WE'LL PUT UP SIGNAGE.
THERE'S SIGNAGE THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY ISSUES, AND IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, BUT GABRIEL AND I BOTH COMMENTED THESE PEOPLE ARE DOWN THERE FISHING FOR DINNER.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FISHING FOR DINNER.
AND SO I WAS DOWN THERE, I HAVE A VIDEO ACTUALLY OF EVERY SPOT TAKEN, NOT ONE FISHERMAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A PROBLEM.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, IT JUST COMES FROM HENNEPIN COUNTY, DOWN TO THE LMCD AND WATER PATROL.
AND GUESS WHERE IT LANDS? RIGHT HERE ON OUR COPS.
I MEAN, THERE'S 14 CITIES INVOLVED HERE, AND I'M JUST WONDERING, THE MISSION OF LMCD IS WIDE-RANGING.
THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE HERE, I THINK, BECAUSE IT'S VERY GENERAL ABOUT SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT AIS COMES UP AND THAT SOME BOARD MEMBERS ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT AND SOME AREN'T.
IS THERE ANY SENSE ON YOUR PART OF AN APPETITE OF THE BOARD AT THIS POINT TO MOVE INTO THAT AI SPACE FURTHER? ARE YOU THE LONE, YOU KNOW, NAYSAYER IN TERMS OF GETTING FURTHER INTO FLOWERING RUSH? LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S JUST HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE OFF OF DEAD CENTER.
THE THING THAT, THE BUOY THING, THAT'S A NO-BRAINER, RIGHT? AND SO, IF WE HAD 10 PEOPLE, 10 CITIES, DO YOU THINK THOSE GUYS IN MINNETONKA BEACH AND GREENWOOD AND SPRING PARK IS THE LOWEST PAYER? YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO NOT HAVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP PUSHING THIS.
IF I GET ENOUGH MAYORS ON MY SIDE, RATHER THAN US JUST SENDING YOU THE NEW BUDGET, THEY WANT ME TO BE ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, BUT I'VE SHOWED THEM ALL THIS STUFF, AND THEY TELL ME TO PACK SAND, SO I'M JUST GOING TO CALL THEM OUT.
AND HOPEFULLY, IF I GET THE WORD OUT.
I'M PREDICTING RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK I'M RIGHT.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE LMCD AND FOR EDUCATING US.
[Public Comments]
THANKS, RICHIE.ALL RIGHT, IT'S TIME NOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND I JUST, IN INTRODUCING THIS, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT HAS...
COMMENTS ABOUT THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO GIVE YOUR COMMENTS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE HAD OUR OFFICIAL HEARING ON, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH ARM LANDING.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, THOSE OF YOU THAT WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT, TO USE YOUR TIME DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TO DO IT.
BUT ALSO I'D ASK YOU TO BE SOMEWHAT EFFICIENT ABOUT THIS.
IF WE'RE HEARING THE SAME COMMENTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE'LL PROBABLY ASK YOU TO MOVE ON.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR YOU, I GUESS, IS THE POINT.
SO FEEL FREE TO USE THIS TIME DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TO LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP ON OUR AGENDA.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT ONE THING THAT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO HERE IS HAVE...
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HAVE FIVE MINUTES IN PUBLIC COMMENT.IT WENT DOWN TO THREE FOR SOME OBVIOUS REASONS, BUT SOMEBODY CANNOT GET THEIR POINT ACROSS IN THREE MINUTES.
I WOULD ASK YOU THAT YOU THINK ABOUT MAYBE GOING BACK TO FIVE MINUTES.
WE TRY TO BE SOMEWHAT EFFICIENT ABOUT THIS, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COMMENT.
DOUG SIPPLE, ACTUALLY SPRING PARK RESIDENT, NOT ORONO, BUT I AM ON THE SPRING PARK TABLE AS WELL.
IN GENERAL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NORTH ARM BOAT LAUNCH.
I DID READ THROUGH MOST OF WHAT I COULD IN THE PACKET, AND IT SEEMED THEIR FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AT THE BOAT LAUNCH HAD TO DO WITH LANDSCAPING COMPANIES, DOCK COMPANIES.
WHAT I BELIEVE IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE THERE IS PEOPLE RUNNING, I DON'T KNOW IF ILLEGAL IS THE RIGHT TERM, BUT BOAT RENTAL PLACES OUT OF THERE.
AND THEN THE RENTERS PARKING IN DESIGNATED TRAILER PARKING.
AND THEY ALSO OVERFLOWED THE GARBAGE, BUT I THINK THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE PACK IN, PACK OUT SUGGESTION.
ORNO POLICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR POLICING IT, BUT I SAW THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS ON THAT AS WELL, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG GAP, BUT REALISTICALLY, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF EFFORT ON THEIR TIME.
IT'S REALLY PROBABLY A SWEET SPOT EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
IF THEY JUST DID A PASS-THROUGH THAT BETWEEN 10 AND 11, THAT'S WHEN ALL THE ACTIVITY IS HAPPENING.
BUT I USE THAT LAUNCH ALL THE TIME.
AND I SEE THAT TRAFFIC WHERE THEY COME IN AND THEY PARK IN THE TRAILER PARKING.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF AN ENFORCEMENT AND SIGNAGE.
AND I KNOW EVEN THE CHIEF SAID IN HIS COMMENTS, HE'S LIKE, WELL, THEY CAN ADDRESS IT ON A COMPLAINT BASIS, BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHO TO CALL.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO CALL 911 FOR A PARKING VIOLATION.
SO I THINK THERE'S A GAP THERE IN TERMS OF THE ENFORCEMENT.
SO IF WE CAN IRON THAT PIECE OUT, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? HI, GABRIEL JABOUR, 985 TONKO ROAD.
JUST A SUMMARY OF THIS ACCESS.
RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR, RECOGNIZED BY THE GOVERNOR AND THE DNR OF OUR PUBLIC ACCESS AND OUR OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC TO ALLOW THEM ACCESS.
IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR CONSTITUTION, THE RIGHT, UNFETTERED RIGHT TO THE ACCESS.
MY PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTY IS THEY'VE TAKEN A WONDERFUL, NICE ACCESS THAT...
PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHEN I MOVED TO THIS CITY, WE USE IT REGULARLY.
PEOPLE FROM NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS USE IT REGULARLY.
PEOPLE BRING THEIR FAMILY OUT THERE.
AND I ALLOWED IT ONLY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS TO BECOME A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SITE.
IT IS NOT AN ACCESS I'M OBJECTING TO.
TO HAVING THIS PIECE OF LAND BECOME A STAGING SITE FOR SOMEBODY DOWN THE STREET WHO DOESN'T WANT THE CONTRACTOR TO PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
MY SECOND THING IS, NUMBER ONE, THIS ACTIVITY IS ILLEGAL, NON-CONFORMING.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PICTURE THEY SENT YOU.
THOSE EQUIPMENT WERE NEVER IN EXISTENCE WHEN WE WERE WRITTEN THE ORDINANCE.
AND I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED WRITE IT IN THE 70S.
I HAVE FOUR OTHER ACCESSES PERSONALLY.
I NEVER EVER WENT TO THE MOON.
I NEVER EVER CHARGED A PERSON TO USE MY ACCESS.
THAT'S WORK WITH THE VETERAN TO ACCESS, THE HANDICAPPED TO ACCESS.
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ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE THE FISHERMEN, THIS IS ANTI-ACCESS WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.WE ARE OBLIGATED TO THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, WITH THE HELP OF ARNIE CARLSON, GOING FROM 02,400 CAR TRAILERS TO 700 TO PROVIDE THE 700.
AND THE COUNT THAT EXISTS THERE WITH THOSE ACTIVITIES.
WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CAR TRAILER PARKING.
MATTER OF FACT, I WORK DILIGENTLY TO HAVE MAXWELL BAY, I WORK WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, U.S.
FISH AND WILDLIFE, TO GET GRANT TO HAVE THAT ACCESS.
THE ACTIVITY IN THIS ACCESS IS SENDING ALL THE WORKERS THERE.
EVERY PROJECT THAT PEOPLE COMING ALL THE WAY FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS.
AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE DURING THE PRESENTATION TO SHOW THE PARAGRAPH SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WITH OWNERSHIP COME PRIVILEGES.
I BEG YOU, I BEG YOU NOT TO ABANDON THAT.
I USUALLY COME MUCH STRONGER THAN THAT.
THE COUNTY, AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE REPRESENTING THEM, HAVE PROVEN THEY ARE NOT A GOOD CUSTODIAN OF THE SITE.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU HOW IT'S DILAPIDATED AND HOW THE WATERSHED IS DUMPING IN THE LAKE.
THEY MANAGED IT FOR 100 YEARS.
WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN THE LAST 100 YEARS? IT'S SELF-CONDEMNING.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON THEM OR THOSE SONS.
NOW I'M GOING TO SWITCH TO THE RMCD.
THERE'S 14 CITIES AROUND THE LAG.
WE SHARE A BAY WITH THE CITIES.
WE, PEOPLE, GO THROUGH OUR CITY TO GET TO OTHERS ON THE LAG.
I BELIEVE 11 ARE THE REMAINING 13.
WE ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED WHAT HAPPENED ON THE LAG.
THERE ARE THREE DISASTERS THAT HAPPENED ON THE LAG.
NUMBER ONE, INTRODUCING THE CARP.
NUMBER TWO, THE CITIES DUMPING SEWAGE IN THE LAKE.
NUMBER THREE, THE LMCD DRAGGING INVASIVE SPECIES AROUND THE LAKE AND TOTALLY SPREADING IT.
NOW, IF YOU READ THE ENABLING ACT, I WILL SEND IT TO YOU TONIGHT, HIGHLIGHTED.
A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT SAYS YOU MAY, INCLUDING CITY COUNCIL.
AND THIS CITY COUNCIL DID NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR MANY YEARS.
YOU MAY APPOINT SOMEBODY THERE.
AND IT'S GOING TO DINNER WITH 14 COOKS OVER THERE.
WHO IS TAKING CARE OF THE LEG? AND IF THEY GO AHEAD AND START GETTING INTO AIS, AND BY THE WAY, MAYOR, MY GOOD FRIEND RICHIE DID NOT TELL YOU, THEIR INTENTION IS TO GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATOR AND REMOVE THE LEVY LIMIT SO THEY CAN LEVY UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
NOW, DON'T LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
LOOK AT THE LEVY, BECAUSE QUITE A BIT OF THE BUDGET COMES FROM FEES, AND THOSE ARE FIXED.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE $2.50 WE DONATE...
NOT TO THE LMCD TO TAKE CARE OF THE RESOURCE, AND SPREAD IT BETWEEN THE LMA, THE LMCD, AND TWO OTHER AGENCIES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NO EFFICIENT ONE SINGLE SOURCE.
I TRUST YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT WAY.
I MEAN FOR SEVEN YEARS I'VE TRAILED IT THROUGH THE PAVEMENTS, THE SHAPE.
I THINK THE THING THAT I'M GOING TO BE THERE, I WENT FROM LIKE TWO LANES FOR THE LAUNCH UP THERE, AND I LOVE HOW THEY STRETCH.
BUT WE'VE CHANGED THE ANGLE OF TRAJECTORY AND THAT'S...
WE'RE GONNA ANGLE IT NOW A LITTLE BIT MORE BOATS
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OUT RIGHT INTO THE CHANNEL.IT'S LIKE YOU'VE GOT MORE VOLUME.
I THINK IT'S GONNA CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS TOO WITH HAVING THREE LANES THERE.
I THINK HAVING JUST TWO LANES KIND OF KEEPS IT IN.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT KIND OF GO BACK TO JUST HOW IT'S KIND OF A...
FACEBOOK, WHAT'S THERE? I LOVE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE ADA ACCESS.
I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY NEAT THAT EVERYBODY DESERVES IT DOWN THE LAKE.
SO I LIKE THE GOOD THINGS THAT ARE THERE.
I JUST DON'T WANT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE ADDED TO KIND OF MAKE IT.
AMY HERMAN 3825 CHERRY AVENUE.
ONE THING ABOUT THE NORTH ARM ACCESS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE NEVER GO THROUGH ORONO.
THEY DON'T GO THROUGH A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
NORTH ARM IS ORONO TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HENNEPIN COUNTY AND THE WAY I WOULD LIKE THE ACCESS TO APPEAR TO PEOPLE WHO COME TO ORONO IS BE FUNCTIONING, CLEAN, AND RELATIVELY LEAN.
SO BY FUNCTION I MEAN THE PARKING LOT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.
SEA WALLS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE RAMP APPROPRIATELY.
I THINK ADDITIONAL ITEMS LIKE FISHING PODS, THE AIS SHED, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S EXTRA DOESN'T HELP MAKE THE ACCESS MORE FUNCTIONING.
I THINK THE ADA ACCESS IS GREAT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN PRIORITIES SHOULD ALSO BE REDUCTION OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A SAFETY HAZARD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING INTO THE LAKE AND SEEING ORONO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN SOME CASES.
I THINK HENNEPIN COUNTY IS DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE STORMWATER, MANAGING THAT, MANAGING INVASIVE SPECIES, MAKING THE ACCESS LOOK BETTER.
BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE GARBAGE IS TAKEN CARE OF AND THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO NORTH ARM ACCESS AND SEE WHAT ORONO IS ALL ABOUT, THAT THEY SEE A REALLY GREAT, CLEAN, LEAN, FUNCTIONING PLACE.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON, NOT DIRECTLY INTO THE NORTH ARM DISCUSSION, BUT WE HAVE,
[2) Claims/Bills]
WELL, I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RICKS PULLED AND DISCUSS THAT.AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NORTH ARM PUBLIC BOAT LANDING, ITEM 13.
ACTUALLY, OUR SECOND ITEM 13, SO IT'S ITEM 14.
THE REASON I PULLED THIS IS I WANTED TO JUST DRAW ATTENTION TO PAYMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THE SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I ASKED...
MAGGIE, IF SHE COULD JUST DO A VERY QUICK EXPLANATION OF WHAT THOSE ARE, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, SINCE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR.
SO THE PAYMENT THIS ROUND FOR CLAIMS AND BILLS IS FOR THE SECOND QUARTER 2026 FIRE SERVICE TO SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
PREVIOUSLY, PRIOR TO 2023 OR 2025, WE WERE PAYING.
CITY OF LONG LAKE FOR THAT SERVICE, AND THEN WE SWITCHED TO ORONO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND NOW WITH THE JPA SIGNED AT THE END OF OCTOBER, NOW WE ARE IN CONTRACT WITH SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR FIRE SERVICE.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THIS PAYMENT IS FIRST AND SECOND QUARTER 2026 FIRE CAPITAL COSTS AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT? CLAIMS AND BILLS? NO, JUST THAT.
CARE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CLAIMS AND BILLS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[13) LA25-000033, Hennepin County, 3700 North Shore Drive (“North Arm Public Boat Launch”), Vacation, Variance, Conditional Use Permit, and Interim Use Permit ]
THANK YOU.SO NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NORTH ARM PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH.
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SO I BELIEVE MS. OAKDEN IS OUR PRESENTER HERE.WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM THE COUNTY, BUT WHY DON'T YOU LEAD US OFF.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A REMODEL OF THE NORTH ARM BOAT LANDING.
FOR THE REDESIGN, IT IS LOCATED AT 3700 NORTH SHORE DRIVE.
PART OF THE APPLICATION, THEY ARE REQUESTING A VACATION OF A PARTIAL ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AND A 14-FOOT ALLEY.
THEY ARE REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR HARDCOVER ON THE SITE, HARDCOVER IN THE 75, AND THEN OVERALL BUILDING AND STRUCTURES IN THE 75.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORELINE PROTECTION IN THE FLOODWAY, WHICH IS THE SEAWALL AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SEAWALL.
AND THEN AN INTERIM USE PERMIT IS ALSO TRIGGERED BECAUSE OF THE GRADING ON THE SITE AS WELL.
THIS IS IN THE LR1C ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE AS A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH AS IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1960S AND OUR ZONING CODE WENT INTO EFFECT IN 1975.
SO IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN THAT PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH USE.
THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE I SNIPPED AN AERIAL IMAGE UP THERE, BUT THE SITE'S ABOUT 1.8 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT HAS OVER 500 FEET OF SHORELINE.
IT HAS ROUGHLY ABOUT 73% HARDCOVER AS IT EXISTS TODAY, MOSTLY BITUMINOUS.
TODAY THERE'S ABOUT 67 TOTAL PARKING STALLS ON THE SITE.
FIVE OF THOSE ARE HANDICAPPED, 14 OF THOSE ARE ENLARGED PARKING FOR A BOAT TRAILER, AND 48 OF THEM ARE STANDARD.
THAT BEING SAID, MANY OF THE PERIMETER STANDARD STRIPED PARKING STALLS ARE ABUTTING GRASSY AREAS, WHICH ARE UTILIZED FOR TRAILER UP INTO THE GRASS AREAS AS WELL.
INCLUDED ON THE SITE, CURRENT AMENITIES AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH, THE GARBAGE DUMPSTERS, TEMPORARY RESTROOMS ARE PUT THERE THROUGH THE SUMMER, THERE'S AIS INFORMATION AND SIGNAGE, FENCING.
THERE'S SOME UNIMPROVED KIND OF FOOTPATHS AND WALKWAYS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, SOME BENCHES, AND THEN UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.
SO THIS DID GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WHERE I HAVE A SLIDE LATER DOWN WHERE I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
BUT FROM THAT, THE HEDERMAN COUNTY LOOKED AND SUBMITTED AN AMENDED PLAN BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WAS PROVIDED.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, I'M HIGHLIGHTING A FEW ITEMS HERE.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO RECONSTRUCT THE PARKING LOT AND THE BOAT LAUNCH ITSELF ON THE SITE WITH NEW FISHING AREAS AND ESTABLISHED WALKING PATHS.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE DECONTAMINATION AREA WITH AIS INSPECTION PROGRAMS AS WELL.
INSTALL NEW ACCESSIBILITY LIFT FOR ADA LAKE ACCESS.
INSTALL SOME REFUSE CONTAINERS AROUND THE FISHING AREAS, BUT REMOVE THE DUMPSTER FROM THE SITE.
IMPROVE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OF THE SITE, AND A LOT OF THAT WILL BE UTILIZED AROUND THE PARKING STALLS THEMSELVES, WILL BE UTILIZED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE THE LANDSCAPING WITH REMOVAL OF INVASIVE SPECIES AND VEGETATION ON THE SITE AND PUT IN NEW PLANTINGS, NEW TREES, AND BETTER SCREENING FOR THE SITE.
AND THEN REORIENT THE NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCH AREA AS WELL ON THE PROPERTY.
OR I SHOULD SAY THEY'RE ADDING THAT, BUT THEY REORIENTED IT FROM WHEN IT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO GOING THROUGH EACH APPLICATION AT A RELATIVELY HIGH LEVEL HERE, THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED BY PLATTED RIGHTS-OF-WAYS.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE PROPOSED TO BE VACATED IN RED FOR YOU IN THE ANNOTATION HERE.
BOTH BLUE AND RED HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT HERE IS A 40-FOOT WIDE PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A 14-FOOT WIDE ALLEY THAT BISECTS THE PROPERTY.
THE COUNTY IS PROPOSING TO VACATE THE EASTERN 20 FEET OF CHERRY AVENUE AND THE ALLEY TO KIND OF MAKE THE PROPERTY MORE UNIFORM IN THAT WAY.
THE DNR WAS NOTIFIED AS PART OF THE REQUIRED PROCESS, AND THEY SUPPORT THE VACATION BUT THEN REQUESTED TO YOU MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT OVER THOSE RIGHTS OF WAYS WHICH STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF.
SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO CONSIDER, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION LISTED ON THE APPROVALS.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS NOT AN IDENTIFIED LAKE ACCESS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE ARE OTHER, OR THESE RIGHTS OF WAYS AREN'T.
THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY OF LAKE ACCESS JUST TO THE WEST, AND MAXWELL BAY IS AN IDENTIFIED LAKE ACCESS POINT AS WELL.
FOR VARIANCES, SO THERE'S THREE BIG VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
THE OVERALL SITE HARDCOVER, SO WITH THE AMENDED PLAN, THE OVERALL SITE IS PROPOSED TO BE AT 77% HARDCOVER,
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WHICH IS A SLIGHT INCREASE.THEY ARE LOOKING TO MAKE ADDITIONAL PARKING OR MORE BOAT TRAILER PARKING TO FACILITATE AND FOR MANEUVERABILITY AND CIRCULATION TO THE SITE.
I WILL SAY THAT THE AREAS IN THE PARKING STALLS THEMSELVES.
ARE PROPOSED TO BE PERMEABLE, KIND OF GRAVEL, LOOSE ROCK TO ALLOW STORMWATER TO FILTRATE THROUGH.
HOWEVER, PER OUR CODE, ANYTHING THAT YOU PARK ON IS CONSIDERED HARDCOVER, EVEN IF IT IS PERMEABLE.
SO FOR THE VARIANCE, IT WOULD BE FOR 77%, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT 35% OF THE HARDCOVER BEING PROPOSED IS PERMEABLE, WHICH RESULTS IN A ROUGHLY 22,000 SQUARE FEET DECREASE OF CONCRETE AND BITUMINOUS FOR THE SITE OVERALL.
THE VARIANCE WOULD BE FOR THE 77%.
WHERE DOES THAT PERMEABLE WATER GO? IT GOES INTO THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, SO IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN AND FILTER THROUGH ROCK AND SAND INTO A DRAIN TILE THAT CAN THEN BE FILTERED BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE LAKE TO ALLOW THE BEST STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
I KNOW HENNEMAN COUNTY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT IN MORE DETAIL AS THEY'RE WORKING WITH MINNEHAHA CREEK ON THAT.
IS THAT IN PLACE NOW? THAT'S STORM MANAGEMENT.
SO THAT STORM MANAGEMENT ISN'T IN THERE.
I BELIEVE THERE'S STORM PONDS, SOME FILTRATION PONDS ON THE SITE AT THIS POINT, BUT NOT IN THE CAPACITY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A NEW IMPROVED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WITH THE PARKING ELEMENT ON THAT SITE.
ANOTHER VARIANCE IS HARDCOVER WITHIN THE 75, SO APPROXIMATELY 26,000 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL HARDCOVER IS PROPOSED IN THE 75-FOOT SETBACK.
JUST OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT IS PERMEABLE, BUT WE GIVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE OVERALL PARKING AREA.
AND THEN THE LISTED KIND OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES ON THE SITE, MOST OF THESE ARE WITHIN THE 75 FEET AS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS REALLY ENCUMBERED BY THAT SETBACK.
SO THERE'S SOME NEW TRASH CONTAINERS AROUND THE FISHING PIER, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED IN THE CIRCLE HERE.
SCREENING AND FENCING AROUND THE SEASONAL RESTROOMS, WHICH THEY'VE PLACED KIND OF WITHIN THE PARKING AREA.
SCREENING AND FENCING AROUND UTILITIES AND GENERATORS AND THEN A NEW CANOPY FOR THE AIS INSPECTOR AND A NEW SHED FOR THE AIS DECONTAMINATION AREA OFF TO THE SIDE HERE FOR CONDITIONAL AND INTERIM USE PERMIT.
SO AGAIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR THE SEAWALL SO THEY'RE REORIENTING THE LAKE AT THE BOAT LAUNCH THEMSELVES, WHICH WILL REMOVE PART OF THE EXISTING SEAWALL AND REESTABLISH THAT BOAT LAUNCH AND THEN THE INTERIM USE PERMIT FOR GRADING AND GRADING OVER 10 CUBIC YARDS IN THE SHORELAND OR IN THAT 75-FOOT SETBACK.
SO THIS IS REALLY TO ADDRESS MOST OF THIS GRADING TO ADDRESS THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE.
WITH THE RAMP OR THE LAUNCH AREA, WE GOT A COMMENT JUST A MOMENT AGO ABOUT REDUCING OR INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THERE.
WHICH IS IT IN THIS CONFIGURATION? ARE WE LOSING OR GAINING? THIS CONFIGURATION IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE EXISTING BOAT LAUNCH THAT'S THERE TODAY.
BY HOW MUCH UH I CAN VERIFY THAT MEASUREMENT UM BUT I I DO KNOW HENNEMAN COUNTY DOES HAVE SOME SOME FEEDBACK THEY CAN GIVE ON THE DESIGN ON WHY THEY OKAY LANDED ON THE DIMENSIONS THAT THEY DID GREAT THANKS UM AND THEN ALSO JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME GENERAL SITE PLAN UH ELEMENTS ON HERE SO TO TOUCH ON PARKING SO THEY WERE EXISTING TODAY HAD 67 TOTAL PARKING STALLS TODAY THEY'RE PROPOSING 65, SO IT'S TWO LESS STALLS OVERALL, BUT IT IS INCREASING TO 44 BOAT AND TRAILER PARKING, WHERE I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS ROUGHLY 14.
SO IT IS A LARGER PARKING LOT TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE BOAT AND TRAILER SPACES AND THE ORIENTATION AND MANEUVERABILITY.
THE PARKING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THAT TRUE GRID SYSTEM, WHICH IS THAT PAVER ROCK SYSTEM TO ALLOW FOR THAT STORMWATER FILTRATION.
FUNCTIONS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THE PROPOSED SITE WILL REFLECT LIKE I SAID TWO SMALLER OR TWO LESS PARKING STALLS FOR CIRCULATION THE EXPANDED PARKING AREA IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE MANEUVERABILITY BUT IT ALSO RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT ACCOMMODATING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE ON THE SITE WITH THAT SO AS A CONDITION STAFF IS RECOMMENDING PROHIBITING THE PARKING AND OPERATING OF SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT WHICH IS A DEFINED TERM IN OUR CITY CODE MOSTLY LIKE TRACT EQUIPMENT OR COMMERCIAL HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
SO PROHIBITING PARKING AND OPERATING THAT SPECIAL MOVER EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGING, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, AND OTHER BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
THE CITY CODE REQUIRES TRAFFIC CIRCULATION SYSTEMS TO BE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC DEMANDS, AND WHILE THE EXPANDED PARKING AREA IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE MANEUVERABILITY, IT HAS ALSO RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USE.
SO WE DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE
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TO PUT THAT CONDITION ON THE...AND ANY APPROVALS YOU WOULD CONSIDER TONIGHT? I THINK THE QUESTION HAS BEEN TO BUT WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR THAT RIGHT AND HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL YEP, YEP SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED IT BE PROPOSED AS A CONDITION FOR THE SITE AND IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY AS A FIRST REPORT OR A FIRST RESPONSE OR NO PD OFTENTIMES FIELDS THOSE IMMEDIATE RESPONSES BUT IN THE LONG TERM IF THERE'S LONG ISSUES OR CONTINUED CONCERNS WITH THAT ISSUE, WE WOULD LOOK TO HENNEMAN COUNTY TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS OR PROPOSE SOME WAYS TO ADDRESS IT.
AND I THINK THAT'D BE A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK.
AT THIS POINT, THE HENVON COUNTY HAS TOLD US THEY WOULD NOT BE THE ONES WHO WOULD MONITOR THAT, RIGHT? I THINK THEY'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
NOTING THE LIGHTING ON THE SITE, SO THERE'S THREE SINGLE-FIXTURE, 20-FOOT-TALL LIGHTING POLES TO BE INSTALLED.
ORIGINALLY, WHEN THIS WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WERE FIVE LIGHTING FIXTURES AND THEN FIVE, LIKE, PARKING BOLLARDS.
SO HEARING BACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
THE HEDERMAN COUNTY HAS AMENDED THEIR PLAN TO REDUCE THAT LIGHTING ON THE SITE.
AGAIN, NOTING ON GARBAGE, HEDERMAN COUNTY HAS ADOPTED A PACK-IN, PACK-OUT MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE AT MAXWELL BAY.
MANAGEMENT OF GARBAGE WILL BE HANDLED, AS NOTED IN THEIR AMENDED SUBMITTAL, FOR GARBAGE PICKUP TWICE A WEEK, SIGNAGE WITH PHONE NUMBERS AND CONTACT INFORMATION TO REPORT ISSUES, COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEMS, AND THEN SMALL WASTE CONTAINERS WOULD BE INCLUDED AROUND THE FISHING PIERS TO ACCOMMODATE FISHERMEN.
AGAIN, NOTING ON SIGNAGE, THERE'S NEW DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, INFORMATION ABOUT ADA LISTS, ABOUT THE AIS PROGRAMS, SIGNAGE ON PARKING AND AIS, AND THEN RAMP AND FISHING RULES AS WELL.
SO THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME ROBUST KIND OF SIGNAGE AND COMMUNICATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND THEN LANDSCAPING, I'VE INCLUDED KIND OF THE PROPOSED TREE PLAN HERE FOR YOU TO REFERENCE, YOU THE REPLACEMENT PLAN INCLUDES 39 TREES WHICH WILL FOCUS ON DIVERSIFYING THE TREE SPECIES INCLUDING PROVIDING ANIMAL HABITAT SHADING AND SCREENING, ADDITIONAL AREAS TO BE RESTORED WITH NATIVE PRAIRIE PLANTINGS TO EMPHASIZE THE POLLINATOR HABITAT AND EXISTING CATTAIL SHORELINE ON THE WESTERN BORDER WHICH IS OVER KIND OF IN THIS NOOK BAY ON THIS SIDE HERE WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED AND THE ADJACENT UPLAND SHORELINE WILL BE IMPROVED WITH NATIVE SHORELINE PLANTINGS AS WELL.
AND LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON WATER ACCESS.
THAT BOAT LAUNCH WITH THE WIDENING AND REORIENTING OF THE BOAT LAUNCH RECONFIGURED THE DOCK AND STAIRS ON THE LAKE FOR THE NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCH, THE ADA ACCESSIBLE LIFT, AND THEN NEW FISHING PIERS FOR SAFER AND EASIER ACCESSIBILITY FOR INDIVIDUAL FISHING OFF THE SHORE.
QUESTION BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SLIDE.
CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD, I'M NOT SURE WE HEARD IT TONIGHT, BUT WE'VE HEARD IT BEFORE, IS THAT THERE'S NICE SCREENING ON THAT WEST SIDE THERE NOW, ALBEIT, I UNDERSTAND, WITH A LOT OF NON-NATIVE PLANTS, INVASIVE SPECIES, INCLUDING SOME BUCKTHORN, WHICH PROVIDES A WONDERFUL SCREEN, BUT IT'S A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE PLANT THAT WOULD TAKE OVER AN AREA.
BUT WHAT I'M SEEING ALONG THERE IS A LOT OF TREES.
DOES THAT PROVIDE THE SAME AMOUNT OF SCREENING AS THE CURRENT SCREENING IS? BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE WAY TO THE WEST.
YEAH, AND I'LL LET HENNEPIN COUNTY SPEAK TO THEIR LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE PROPOSING NATIVE PLANTINGS AS WELL AS TREES KIND OF IN THIS AREA, AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO NECESSARILY ADJUST THAT WESTERN SHORELINE A WHOLE LOT, OR THEY'RE TRYING NOT TO IMPACT THAT VERY MUCH.
I WILL SAY FROM GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS ONE, THIS WAS THEIR.
KIND OF LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND I THINK IT HAD ROUGHLY ABOUT 25 TREES SO HEARING BACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE PUBLIC OF THAT MEETING THEY'VE INCREASED IT TO 39 WORKING WITH THEIR FORESTRY DEPARTMENT OKAY SO THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR LANDSCAPING UM WITH ATTENTION TO THAT WESTERN EDGE FOR SCREENING UM SO WITH THAT JUST JUMPING BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION UM THEY DID REVIEW THIS PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 17TH AND THEY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THEY HEARD FROM NUMEROUS PUBLICS AS WELL AS SOME SUBMITTED WRITTEN COMMENT AS WELL.
OVERALL, THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT DID PROVIDE A LONG LIST OF INFORMATION THAT THEY WANTED TO BE ADDRESSED, THAT THEY FELT THE INFORMATION EITHER WASN'T THERE OR WASN'T FLESHED OUT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ACT ON.
SO KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED HERE, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION OF THE PROJECT GOALS.
THEY WANTED SOME THEY WANTED SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS REGARDING COMMERCIAL USE.
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR REVISED LOCATION OF THE NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCH BEFORE IT WAS LOCATED MORE EASTWARD,
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AND THIS WAS KIND OF A SITTING AREA.HENNEPIN COUNTY HAS MOVED IT NOW TO THAT NORTHERN PEAK.
FOLLOWING THAT COMMENT, THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
THEY ALSO WERE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL POLICY INFORMATION ON THE GARBAGE MANAGEMENT AND HOW THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO MANAGE THAT.
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION FROM MCWD AS WELL AS THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT USER FEES ON THE SITE AS WELL SO HENNEMAN COUNTY TOOK THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN PROVIDED THE AMENDED PLANS THAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TONIGHT, NOT FORMAL ACTION, BUT DIRECTION FOR ME TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION TO BRING BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.
IF COUNCIL REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT TO BE SUPPORTABLE, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND A CONDITIONED APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION ON THE FOLLOWING FOUR ITEMS. SO ENSURING THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY OBTAINS ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITS FROM OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
THAT CONDITION ABOUT PARKING AND OPERATING OF SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGES, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE PARKING LOT.
THE CITY SHOULD MAINTAIN PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS OVER THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE NEWLY LANDSCAPED AND LIGHTING PLANS MUST ADEQUATELY BUFFER ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO MINIMIZE OFF-SITE IMPACTS FOLLOWING PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION.
SUBMITTED PLANS, LIGHTING PLANS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE.
I DO KNOW HENNEPIN COUNTY IS HERE AS WELL AND HAS INFORMATION THEY'D LIKE TO PRESENT.
BEFORE WE CALL HENNEPIN COUNTY UP, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS, DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING IF WE WERE TO JUST SIMPLY NOT VACATE THE EASEMENTS THAT WE HAVE? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS PLAN CAN STILL BE APPROVED, BUT WE CAN HANG ON TO THOSE EASEMENTS.
RIGHT AWAY TRUE SO WE COULD HENNEMAN COUNTY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT WITHOUT VACATING THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY FROM ANYONE USING THE SITE IT WOULDN'T PROBABLY CHANGE OR FACILITATE HOW THE SITE WOULD FEEL IT JUST IS AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE WITH THIS REDESIGN TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAYS TO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PROPERTIES BISECTED AND DISJOINTED WITH RIGHTS OF WAYS THAT THE CITY IS WHERE ARE ALREADY BEING USED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS IN THAT WAY BUT YOU'RE RIGHT YOU DO NOT NEED TO ACT OR ADOPT A VACATION AND YOU COULD STILL ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO GO THROUGH IN THAT MANNER.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. OAKTON BEFORE WE BRING HENNEPIN COUNTY UP FOR QUESTIONS? THANKS, LAURA.
ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE PROJECT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS LAND BUSINESS.
WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR UPDATED PLANS.
I'M HERE WITH CHRIS GENZEL, WHO WILL DO PART OF THE PRESENTATION, AS WELL AS GUY WONG, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER.
OH, IT MOVED TO THE WRONG THING.
LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK MY SLIDES.
THE NORTH ARM ACCESS, SIMILAR TO MANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS, HAS AGED, AND IT IS TIME TO RECONSTRUCT AS WELL AS MODERNIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS A CULMINATION OF TWO YEARS OF COMMUNITY VOICES AIMED TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY FOR RECREATIONAL USERS, WHILE PROTECTING AND ENHANCING ONE OF HENNEPIN COUNTY'S GREATEST NATURAL ASSETS, LAKE MINNETONKA.
AS YOU HEARD FROM CITY STAFF, AS YOU REVIEW THE PROJECT DOCUMENTATION AND YOU HEAR FROM US TONIGHT, WE HOPE THAT TOGETHER WE CAN TURN THIS SPACE INTO A LAKE OF ACCESS RESIDENTS ARE PROUD TO HAVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS AND HE'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE TECHNICAL UPDATES WITH THE PROJECT.
SO I WANTED TO START WITH SOME BACKGROUND ON THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, JUST TO GIVE A HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
SO THIS SITE HAS SEEN PEOPLE ON IT FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS NOW.
IT WAS OPEN WATER AS WE SEE UP HERE.
THE SITE STARTED TO BE FILLED IN THE 1960S, ABOUT 12 FEET OF FILL.
ALONGSIDE A ROADWAY PROJECT THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED ALONGSIDE THE NEIGHBORING SHORELINE DRIVE AND BRIDGE THAT WAS ADDED TO.
FOLLOWING THAT AND WHAT WAS USED UNOFFICIALLY THEN
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FOR THE NEXT ABOUT TEN YEARS, THE 1960S INTO THE EARLY 1970S.FOLLOWING THAT IN 1972 IT OFFICIALLY BECAME A PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE WAY IT LOOKS TODAY ACTUALLY MATCHES A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAW THEN AND IT HAS MORE OR LESS THE SAME FOOTPRINT.
IN THE 1990S, ACTUALLY 1996, WE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES OR DNR TO IMPLEMENT SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE, INCLUDING THE SEDIMENT BASINS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROVIDED STORMWATER TREATMENT THAT ARE OUTLINED IN ORANGE CIRCLES, OR ACTUALLY, EXCUSE ME, RED CIRCLES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR IMAGE, AND THEN SOME LIGHTING AND OTHER FEATURES, INCLUDING THOSE PARKING ISLANDS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THERE TOO.
WE'VE DONE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS INCLUDING MIDDLE AND OVERLAYS, IMPROVEMENTS ACROSS THE SITE INCLUDING A AIS PILOT WE PUT THERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO ADDRESS AIS IN THE LAKE AND NEIGHBORING LAKES, BUT THOSE HAVE REALLY STARTED TO SHOW THEIR AGE AND LIKE OTHER ASSETS THE COUNTY HAS, ROADWAYS AND LIBRARIES, THIS IS REALLY IN NEED OF A FULL REDESIGN AND UPDATE.
ALL RIGHT, GETTING TO OUR PROJECT TIMELINE.
THIS PROJECT STARTED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WITH INITIAL SCOPING.
WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR ACCESS USERS, WITH OUR OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO UNDERSTAND SITE NEEDS AND AREAS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THIS SITE.
THAT LED TO A PROPOSAL TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, OR CIP, BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY OUR BOARD IN 2024.
THAT LED TO THE FIRST CONCEPT DESIGN WE PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST TIME TO THE COMMUNITY, ACTUALLY HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
WE GOT A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS THAT ATTENDED OTHER...
OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, OUR REVIEW AGENCIES, EVEN I THINK A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ABLE TO ATTEND TOO.
WE TOOK THEIR FEEDBACK, INCORPORATED IT INTO THE DESIGN, AND UPDATED THE DESIGN, PRESENTED THAT AGAIN TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE FOLLOWING WINTER IN JANUARY, HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AGAIN, AND THEN IN A VIRTUAL MEETING THAT FEBRUARY.
WE TOOK FEEDBACK FROM THERE, AGAIN UPDATED OUR DESIGNS, MET MORE DILIGENTLY WITH OUR REVIEW AGENCIES, PERMITTING AGENCIES TO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS FOR THIS SITE AS WELL.
AND THEN PREPARED MATERIALS FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSION THAT NOVEMBER THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND CERTAINLY THAT SUMMER AND FALL WE GOT VERY DIRECT FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS THAT PROVIDED MORE COMMERCIAL USE ON THIS SITE OR THEY MANY RESIDENTS VIEWED THAT AS AN EXPANSION OF COMMERCIAL USE AND BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK WE PULLED THE VERTICAL ACCESS FROM DESIGN PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WE GOT GREAT FEEDBACK AS LAURA INTRODUCED AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE NOW PRESENTING TODAY.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE TOO WE HAVE A BE HEARD HENNEPIN PAGE WE'VE STOOD UP FOR THIS PROJECT TOO.
WE HAVE A QR CODE UP HERE THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON TO BE BROUGHT TO THE PROJECT PAGE.
OTHERWISE IF YOU JUST GOOGLE HENNEPIN COUNTY NORTH ARMY YOU GET BROUGHT THERE TOO.
WE'VE BEEN UPDATING THE PUBLIC AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THROUGH THAT WEBSITE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
ALRIGHT, SO OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES, WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, SOME OF THE UPDATES WE'VE DONE THAT WILL BE ON THE RIGHT ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSED ONES ON THE RIGHT.
ON THE LEFT, SOME OF THE AREAS WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS CONCERNS WE WANT TO INVEST IN THROUGH THIS CIP PROJECT.
SO FIRST, WE HAVE THIS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TOO.
WE HAVE A SITE HERE THAT JUST HAS A NEED FOR REDESIGN, AGAIN, AS WE WOULD SEE ON A ROADWAY OR A LIBRARY.
WE HAVE ASPHALT CONDITIONS BEYOND A SIMPLE MILL AND OVERLAY OR ASPHALT PATCHING.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER INVESTMENT AND OTHER STRUCTURAL DETERIORATION INCLUDING SOME AREAS OF RUST IN OUR STEEL SEAWALL AND OUR RAMP IS SHOWING A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT AND IS DEFINITELY SHOWING ITS AGE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THESE IS REDESIGNING OUR PARKING LOT.
AS PART OF THIS REDESIGN, A CHANCE TO KIND OF REORIENT A LOT OF THE PARKING STALLS, GET SOME OF THESE TRAILERS OFF OF THOSE GRASSED AREAS OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG SHORELINE DRIVE AND ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE WIDER AND LONGER VEHICLES WE'RE SEEING TODAY.
A LOT OF OUR STRIPING TODAY REPRESENTS THE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS THAT WE SAW BACK IN THE 70S, 80S, AND 90S, AND TODAY'S TRUCKS AND TRAILERS ARE WIDER AND LONGER.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO ADDRESS THROUGH THIS REDESIGN.
WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, INCLUDING THAT NEW PAVEMENT AND THE PERMEABLE PAVING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT PROVIDES A STORMWATER BENEFIT, AND THEN A NEW BOAT LAUNCH THAT REORIENTS IT AND PROVIDES FOR A WIDER SPACE, MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT MODERN ACCESSES TODAY, LIKE MAXWELL BAY, THAT HAS THAT WIDER ACCESS, WHICH IS 45 FEET WIDE.
INSTEAD OF THE 30 FEET WE HAVE NOW.
SO WOULD THIS BE MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE THREE BOATS AT A TIME OR STILL JUST TWO BOATS AT A TIME? IT COULD BE UP TO THREE BOATS AT A TIME OR IT COULD BE TWO LARGER BOATS, TOO, THAT HAPPEN TO BE BACKING UP AT THE SAME TIME.
AND IT PROVIDES SPACE FOR THOSE TWO BOATS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY.
BECAUSE THAT 15 FEET CAN BE CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY FOR NEW BOATERS.
MYSELF INCLUDED, WHO ONLY LAUNCHES A PONTOON ONCE A YEAR AND IT'S NOT VERY GOOD.
THIS HAS BEEN A BIG FOCUS OF OURS.
WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS FOR A WAY TO IMPROVE THIS SITE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD ABOUT IS THAT CHALLENGING BACKING MANEUVER WHERE WE HAVE TO CORNER BACK AT THIS SITE.
ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE A RENDERING THAT SHOWS A BOATER ABLE TO STRAIGHT BACK, IN THIS CASE, IN THE MIDDLE BY HIMSELF.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO REMOVE THE POSSIBILITY FOR TRAILERS TO BACK UP INTO THAT INCLINE ALONG
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SHORELINE DRIVE AND INTO THE GRASSY AREAS ALONG THE BUFFER ON THE WESTERN SIDE.AND LASTLY, ADDRESSING THE ISSUE WITH THOSE...
REALLY SHORT PARKING STALLS AND REALLY KIND OF NARROW PARKING STALLS THAT OFTEN RESULT IN BOATERS TAKING UP TWO STALLS AT A TIME.
ANOTHER ITEM WE'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THROUGH THIS IS THAT PADDLECRAFT ACCESS.
SO AT THE TIME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRESENTATION WE STILL HAD THAT ON THE CHANNEL SIDE BECAUSE WE HAD THE VERTICAL ACCESS INCLUDED ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
NOW THAT WE'VE REMOVED THE VERTICAL ACCESS WE'VE MOVED THAT PADDLECRAFT ACCESS TO THE WESTERN SIDE WHERE WE HAVE MORE QUIET WATERS FOR THEM TO LAUNCH MORE SAFELY.
ALSO WE'VE LOOKED TO REDESIGN THE LIGHTING USING DARK SKY STANDARDS WHICH IS KIND OF A FANCY WAY OF SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE LIGHT BEING BROADCAST UPWARD TRYING TO FOCUS LIGHT BEING BROADCAST TOWARDS THE PAVEMENT WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY MOST NEEDED.
THERE'S JUST A QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE ON THE RIGHT SO THAT AREA TO THE WEST OF THE DOCK THERE THAT'S HARD SURFACE AS WELL AND IS THAT JUST FOR LAUNCHING? YEP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE IT FEATURED IN THE RENDERING, BUT WE'LL HAVE PICNIC TABLES THERE AND JUST AN AREA FOR FOLKS TO STAND AND BE ABLE TO...
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE BY VEHICLES OR ANYTHING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE AIS INSPECTOR PAVILION THERE TOO THAT WILL ALSO BE THERE ON THAT SITE IN THAT PAVED AREA.
SO RIGHT ON THAT SAME PICTURE, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN WITH KAYAKS AND STUFF, THEY HAVE TO CROSS WHERE PEOPLE ARE BAGGING THE BOATS IN? YEP, SO THEY'LL, NOT NECESSARILY.
WE'LL HAVE SPACE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PARK.
THERE'S ALSO SPACE FOR THEM TO BACK UP, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE PAVED SURFACE NEAR THE PADDLE CRAFT ACCESS.
WHAT WE WOULD WANT THEM TO DO IS BACK THERE, IF THEY HAVE A TRAILER OR JUST THEIR VEHICLE THERE, UNLOAD THEIR PADDLE CRAFT, AND THEN GO AND PARK THEIR VEHICLE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON SITE, WALK ACROSS THE SITE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LAUNCH ON FOOT.
ANOTHER THING THAT AT LEAST I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, AND THIS CAME THROUGH OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NON-PROFIT WHEELCHAIRS AND WALLEYES.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING MOSTLY IN THE DAKOTAS, BUT THIS WILL BE THEIR FIRST PROJECT IN MINNESOTA TO IMPLEMENT A LIFT AND RAMP FOR THOSE THAT HAVE MOBILITY CHALLENGES THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO SAFELY LOAD AND UNLOAD FROM THEIR BOATS PRIOR TO LAUNCH.
WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP, WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THIS THE MOST, I THINK, THE FIRST TRULY ADA-ACCESSIBLE RAMP IN THE METRO AREA AND MAYBE STATEWIDE.
IT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE JUST AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO OTHER LAKE USERS AND A BROADER GROUP OF LAKE USERS.
WHO'S GOING TO OPERATE THAT? THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THROUGH, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE SPECIFICS OF THE PARTNERSHIP.
WE WILL MAINTAIN IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS UNDER THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT AND WE'LL OVERSEE ITS INSTALLATION AS PART OF OUR PROJECT.
AND ANYTHING THAT COMES UP, WE WOULD LOOK TO, IF FOR EXAMPLE SOMETHING BREAKS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TAKE ON AS PART OF OUR OTHER ASSET MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
AS MENTIONED BEFORE WE HAVE OUR SHORELINE ANGLERS FREQUENTLY USING THIS SITE.
THIS IS WE OFTEN HAVE AS MANY AS A DOZEN THERE SOMETIMES MORE BUT TYPICALLY NO LESS THAN ONE OR TWO AT A TIME THAT ARE OFTEN USING THIS FOR SUSTENANCE FISHING.
FOR THEM RIGHT NOW, IT'S A OFTENTIMES CHALLENGING ACCESS TO USE.
THEY HAVE UNEVEN SURFACE TO ACCESS THIS SITE, SO IT'S NOT ADA COMPLIANT.
THEY HAVE TO OFTEN DRAG THEIR FISH ACROSS RIPRAP THAT'S THERE NOW WHICH OFTEN RESULTS IN THEM SNAPPING THEIR LINE OR OTHERWISE HAVING TO HAVE THEIR FISH GET PRETTY BEAT UP IN THE PROCESS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE BEHIND THIS GENTLEMAN, THERE IS THOSE CATTAILS THERE, THAT'S SEDIMENT BASIN, AND ACTUALLY BOTH OF THEM ARE RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THEY SIT, AND IN SUMMER THEY CAN GET KIND OF STINKY.
SO ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS IMPROVE THEIR EXPERIENCE BY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RENDERING HERE ON THE RIGHT, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SHADE TREES, PROVIDING THE PAVED SURFACE SO THEY CAN ACCESS THESE SITES FROM THEIR BUS STOP OR FROM WHERE THEY'RE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING SHORE FISHING PODS.
THAT PROVIDE THEM EASIER ACCESS TO THE WATER THAT WILL NOT MAKE THEM HAVE TO DRAG THAT FISH ACROSS THE RIPRAP AS THEY DO CURRENTLY.
I THINK THE WATERSHED DISTRICT HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THOSE PIERS.
HAVE THEY BEEN SATISFIED YET? YEP.
SO THE BACKGROUND ON THAT IS THE FIRST RENDERINGS WE PROVIDED HAD THEM STICKING OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT OUT INTO THE FLOODPLAIN, PROVIDING MORE ACCESS WAS KIND OF OUR INTENTION THERE.
DNR WAS CONCERNED THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ABOVE THE ORDINARY HIGH WATER LEVEL IT COULD STILL HAVE FLOODPLAIN IMPACTS SO WE PULLED THAT BACK WE MET WITH HIM OVER A COUPLE MEETINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS AND THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THIS MEETS THEIR FLOODPLAIN RULES THERE'LL BE ROOM FOR HOW MANY FISHERMEN WITH THOSE APPEARS IS REDESIGNED.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE FIVE PODS SO IN THEORY, I THINK PROBABLY UP TO WELL EASILY UP TO 12 OKAY, CERTAINLY MAYBE EVEN UP TO 20 IF THEY REALLY SQUISH IN BUT IT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE FOLKS WE TYPICALLY HAVE OUT THERE IN TERMS OF NUMBERS.
AND WHAT IS THAT TYPICAL NUMBER?
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IS IT 10, 15, 20? IT IS OFTEN AROUND, WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, WHICH HAS BEEN PROBABLY MORE OFF HOURS DURING WORKING HOURS, IT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 6.BUT BASED ON OTHER, MY STAFF MEMBERS OUT THERE MORE FREQUENTLY, WE CAN OFTEN HAVE UP TO 10 TO 15 OUT THERE AT A TIME, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY.
AND HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO WE HAVE FOR THE FISHERMEN? FOR POLOS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE...
12, HOPEFULLY LAURA YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS CLOSER TO YOU, OF NON-TRAILERS.
YOU COULD HAVE TOLD US THAT TOO, LAURA, SORRY.
AND ARE THEY SPECIFICALLY MARKED FOR FISHERMEN? THEY'RE NOT, ARE THEY? THEY WILL NOT BE SPECIFICALLY MARKED FOR FISHERMEN.
THEY ARE JUST STANDARD PARKING SPOTS.
SO THAT WILL JUST BE A STANDARD PARKING SPOT THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM.
BUT THAT'S A PARKING SPOT SOMEBODY COULDN'T USE TO PARK A TRAILER ON.
NO, THERE WON'T BE SPACE FOR THEM.
OKAY, IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN THIS DESIGN FROM WHAT WE INITIALLY PITCHED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT BY NATURE ON THIS SITE STORMWATER BASINS I'VE MENTIONED THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMOVED REPLACED BY THE PERMEABLE PAVING THAT PROVIDES A WATER QUALITY BENEFIT ABOVE AND BEYOND PERMIT REQUIREMENTS WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATES FROM THE SHORELINE AREAS AND THE FORESTED AREAS ALONG THIS SITE STILL TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT BUFFER I'LL GET INTO THIS IN A FUTURE SLIDE TOO, BUT ONE OF OUR FOCUSES IS UPDATING THIS DEGRADED FOREST IN THIS TREE CANOPY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA WHILE TRYING OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN THAT BUFFER THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORS IS REALLY CRITICAL NEXT ALSO WILL BE INTRODUCING SOME OTHER PRAIRIE SPECIES TRYING TO FOCUS ON IMPROVING POLLINATOR HABITAT WE SEE THIS IN THE RENDERING TO THE RIGHT A PRAIRIE PLANTING WILL HAVE ALONG NORTH SHORE DRIVE WE ALSO HAVE SOME BEE LAWN WILL BE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT THAT HAVE WE MOW A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN YOU WOULD KENTUCKY TURF GRASS BUT PROVIDE SOME GREAT POLLINATOR BENEFIT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, TOO I ALSO WANT TO MENTION TO THE AIS DECONTAMINATION STATION, SO AIS BEING AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES, WE'LL BE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT A HOT WATER DECONTAMINATION SYSTEM, AND IT WILL BE AN ON-DEMAND SYSTEM, AND IT WILL BE, I THINK, THE SECOND IN THE STATE NOW, IF IMPLEMENTED.
IT WOULD PROVIDE A CHANCE FOR US TO, AS BOATS COME OFF THE LAKE, HOT WATER DECONTAMINATE THEM TO REMOVE ANY AIS THEY HAVE ON THE BOAT, ON THE TRAILER, IN THE BUNK BETWEEN THE BOAT AND TRAILER.
THAT WILL HELP TO PROTECT NEIGHBORING LAKES.
AT THE SAME TIME, BOATS COMING INTO THIS LAKE CAN ALSO STILL USE IT, TOO, BEFORE THEY ENTER LAKE MINNETONKA, KEEPING OTHER INVASIVE SPECIES LIKE SPINY WATER FLEA AND OTHER ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INTRODUCED YET FROM ENTERING THIS LAKE.
SO THAT WON'T BE IMPLEMENTED BY A PARK RANGER-TYPE PERSON LIKE WE'VE SEEN OUT THERE IN PAST YEARS? IT'LL BE BOATERS USING IT THEMSELVES? WE HAVE A CERTIFIED INSPECTOR.
OH, THERE WILL BE? WE'LL BE OUT THERE, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE ARE SPECIAL...
TRAINING THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THAT SAFELY AND THEY WILL BE THE FOLKS OPERATING THAT WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THROUGH OUR EFFORTS IT'S POSSIBLE YOU DO APPLY FOR A GRANT OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING THROUGH OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM AND OUR LIFE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
HOW OFTEN WOULD THEY BE STATIONED? IT WOULDN'T BE THROUGHOUT THE DAYLIGHT HOURS.
IT WOULD BE DURING WHEN WHEN WE HAVE THE MOST ACTIVITY OUT THERE WE'D WORK WITH DNR ON THAT TOO.
WE COULD DO THIS WITH DNR AS WELL IT WOULD BE DURING THE KIND OF PEAK TIMES OR THE TYPICAL OPERATING TIMES WE'D HAVE AN INSPECTOR OUT, WHICH IS OFTEN, YOU KNOW, FROM EARLY MORNING TILL AROUND 5 P.M.
HOW IS THAT CURRENT AIS STATION SERVICED AT PRESENT? YEAH, THE CD3 STATION THAT'S THERE NOW, IT'S MAINTAINED AS THE OTHER CD3S THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTY.
RIGHT NOW IT HAS BROKEN, I'LL BE HONEST.
THE GRABBER TOOLS STILL WORK, THE VACUUM DOESN'T.
SINCE WE HAVE THIS REDESIGN PROPOSED, WE HAVEN'T WANTED TO REPLACE IT YET BECAUSE THE REPLACEMENT COSTS ARE NOT NOTHING.
WE'VE WANTED TO REPLACE IT AS PART OF THIS.
SO FOLKS THAT ARE STILL USING THAT ACCESS ARE STILL USING IT FOR THAT THOUGH.
AND WHEN WAS THAT INSTALLED? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEEN CLOSE TO 10 YEARS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PILOTS WE DID WITH THAT TYPE OF STATION.
AND WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT, OR LIFESPAN OF ONE OF THOSE, AND HOW HAS IT BEEN MAINTAINED ANNUALLY, OR IS THERE A PROGRAM FOR THAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY THAT WILL REGULARLY MAINTAIN THEM, AND YOU WINTERIZE IT, YOU MANAGE IT AS YOU WOULD ANY OTHER PIECE OF MECHANICAL.
I HONESTLY CAN'T GET INTO THE SPECIFICS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THEM, BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION AFTER.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE HAVE SOMETHING NOW THAT IS EITHER BROKEN, NOT BEEN MAINTAINED, SERVICE CONTRACTORS AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY...
MAYBE HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED TO DO.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT IS JUST HOW ARE WE KEEPING UP WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND MAINTAINING.
SO THAT'S, I DON'T NEED ANY MORE SPECIFICS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW, THAT'S FINE.
YEAH, I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT I THINK IT'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.
FOR A LOT OF THAT EQUIPMENT, THAT IS THE LIFESPAN.
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I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, BUT I KNOW IT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED OVER THE PAST ANNUALLY AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT.SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED.
IT'S JUST THAT I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT'S PROBABLY ADD ITS DESIGN LIFE.
I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING IN THIS SLIDE.
I DON'T ALREADY COVER IN A DIFFERENT SLIDE, SO I'M GOING TO KEEP US MOVING.
I WANT TO SPEND A FAIR BIT OF TIME ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONERS AND FROM THE PUBLIC AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO WE HAVE THIS IN GREATER DETAIL IN OUR PROPOSAL, BUT I DO WANT TO HIT ON SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
ESPECIALLY THE FEW COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD THE MOST OFTEN.
THE BIGGEST ONE BEING THE COMMERCIAL ACCESS.
I MEAN, REALLY, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO STAKEHOLDERS AND THE PUBLIC.
THIS HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT'S COME UP THE MOST CONSISTENTLY AS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.
WHAT WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IS THAT THEY WERE AFRAID THAT THAT VERTICAL ACCESS THAT WAS BEING INCLUDED REPRESENTED AN EXPANSION OF COMMERCIAL USE.
OUR INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE A SAFER SPACE FOR THEM TO OPERATE THAT WAS NOT GOING TO HINDER THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE RAMP THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM A LOT OF THE BARGES, ESPECIALLY OPERATING THERE, AND PROVIDE A SAFER SPACE FOR THEM TO OPERATE SEPARATE FROM THE VERTICAL ACCESS WHERE WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC OPERATING FROM.
BUT THAT WAS NOT HOW IT WAS TAKEN, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS REMOVED.
IT IS NOT OUR INTENT TO EXPAND COMMERCIAL USE HERE.
AFTER FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE LOOKED INTO SOME OPPORTUNITIES WE HAD FOR FURTHER RESTRICTING COMMERCIAL USE ON THIS SITE.
AND THAT IS REFERENCED IN GREATER DETAIL IN THE PROPOSAL.
BASED ON THAT RESEARCH, WE HAVE SOME AVENUES THE COUNTY DOES FOR DOING THIS FURTHER, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A MULTI-AGENCY PROCESS THAT WOULD LIKELY TAKE YEARS.
THE SHORTER TERM OPTION, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE REPRESENTED HERE IN THE MATERIALS IN FRONT OF YOU, IS UTILIZING OUR JOINT CITY AND COUNTY AUTHORITY, ESPECIALLY THE CITY AUTHORITY, TO MANAGE THIS LAND USE TYPE.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW INCLUDES PARKING RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE CLEAR THAT NO STAGING IS ALLOWED, COMMERCIAL STAGING SPECIFICALLY.
THAT LIMITS THE USE OF EACH VEHICLE TO ONE STALL PER USER OR PER VEHICLE AND LIMITS THE USE OF THE RAMP TO 20 MINUTES, WHICH ALIGNS WITH A RECENT LAKEMONTOWN CONSERVATION DISTRICT POLICY TO LIMIT USE OF OUR ACCESSES AND DOCKS TO 20 MINUTES.
IN ADDITION, WE SUPPORT THE CONDITION INTRODUCED BY THE CITY TODAY TO LIMIT SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT.
WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND WOULD SIGN THAT AND ENFORCE IT THROUGH THIS EFFORT.
IN ADDITION TO WE ARE LOOKING AT A MORE HOLISTIC SOLUTION FOR MANAGING BARGE TRAFFIC, OUR COMMISSIONER ELLISON IN THIS AREA IS LOOKING TO SPEARHEAD THAT EFFORT AND HAS BEEN SPEAKING WITH A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO WORK ON FURTHERING COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE OUT OF THIS ACCESS TO MAKE CLEAR WHAT THIS POLICY CHANGE MEANS TO THEM.
I KNOW WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENFORCEMENT TOO AND ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE WOULD TAKE IS JUST BEING CLEAR AS THE STAKEHOLDER FOR THIS AND AS THE MANAGER OF THIS SITE, HOW WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS AND MAKE CLEAR TO THE BUSINESSES HOW WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT.
I DON'T THINK ANY BUSINESS WANTS TO GO AGAINST THE LAW HERE ONCE WE HAVE THIS PROPERLY SIGNED, AND TO MAKE ENFORCEMENT CLEAR TO THEM WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D LOOK TO DO IMMEDIATELY, IS TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THEM.
CAN I ASK YOU, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST...
I GUESS CULPRIT IN DESTROYING THE RAMP.
SO DO WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE BRINGING IN BARGES OR BOATS OR SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RAMP ITSELF, THAT IT'S DETERIORATING UNDER THAT TYPE OF USAGE? YEAH, I THINK THE TWO THINGS I'VE HEARD MOST CONSISTENTLY, I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO MY STAFF TO KNOW THE BETTER ANSWER FOR THAT.
THE SPUDS THAT THE BARGES OFTEN USE TO KIND OF STABILIZE THEMSELVES AS THEY'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING CAN BE A BIG CULPRIT FOR...
DETERIORATION WE SEE IN THE PLANKS OF THE RAMP.
ALSO, BOATS AS THEY LOAD AND UNLOAD, I DON'T KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THEY GO DOWN ON THEIR THROTTLE REALLY HARD, CAN CHURN UP A LOT OF SEDIMENT AND OVER TIME THAT CAN DEGRADE THE CEMENT TOO.
I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO I HEARD MOST CONSISTENTLY.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES.
BECAUSE I'VE READ ALL THE GOOGLE REVIEWS OF THIS SITE, WHICH IS A HELPFUL THING TO DO.
WHY HAS THE COUNTY EVER GONE IN AND REPLACED THOSE PIECES OF THAT RAMP THE ONES THAT ACCORDING TO GOOGLE REVIEWS HAVE REBAR STICKING OUT OR HOLES IN THEM OR WHATEVER ELSE HOW MANY TIMES HAS THE COUNTY GONE IN AND REPAIRED? THOSE ISSUES I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME AND I CAN GET IT TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING FROM THE STAFF OKAY, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME WORK TO REPAIR THOSE OVER THE YEARS.
OKAY? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIMING OF IT THOUGH, BUT I'LL GET THAT FOR YOU.
THANK YOU COULD SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS TO HELP MAINTAIN THAT IS HAVING VIDEO THERE.
SO WE'LL CATCH THAT KIND OF CULPRIT WITH THOSE THINGS,
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USING THE STAGING, USING THAT TO HELP AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES.YEP, THAT'S CERTAINLY ON THE TABLE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO DO IT WITHOUT BRINGING CAMERAS OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT INTRODUCES OTHER CHALLENGES TOO, ESPECIALLY WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE DATA AND HOW THEY'RE USED.
BUT IN TERMS, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL USE, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY.
YEAH, I MEAN, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT NEW PROPOSED CONDITION, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION WITH THAT ABOUT DO WE HAVE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF THE ONUS COMES DOWN TO.
CITY HERE HAVING ENOUGH ABILITY AND MANPOWER TO ENFORCE THAT CONDITION.
OUR STRONG PREFERENCE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING MORE RECENTLY WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF STAFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUT THERE.
WE HAVE CENSUS-DISTURBED CREWS OUT THERE TWICE A WEEK ALREADY, SO WE ALREADY HAVE EYES ON THERE ALMOST DAILY.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE A DNR INSPECTOR OUT THERE MORE REGULARLY, WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH US, AND WE CAN TRAIN THEM ABOUT WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
AND HAVE THEM WORK DIRECTLY WITH STAFF, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE BUSINESSES FIRST TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS NO LONGER ALLOWED.
IF THAT WERE TO CONTINUE, AND LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A BUSINESS OWNER WERE TO CONTINUE USING THIS ACCESS DESPITE THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THIS, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH MORE THOROUGH AND POTENTIALLY MORE SIGNIFICANT ENFORCEMENT, AND THEN WORK WITH COUNTY AUTHORITIES PROBABLY TO DO THAT.
THAT HAS BEEN THE MORE RECENT DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
A CAMERA COULD HELP IN JUST MONITORING THAT MORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY, IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, WHEN WE FIRST IMPLEMENT IT.
CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT MAKING THE RAMP WIDER? WAS THERE A REASON THAT YOU'RE MAKING IT A LOT WIDER? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE REORIENTATED IT, SO IT SHOULD BE EASIER TO GO IN AND OUT, BUT DOES THAT NECESSITATE IT BEING 15 FEET WIDER AS WELL? YEAH, SO WHEN WE MADE THAT DECISION, IT WAS IN CONCERT WITH OUR PARTNERS, INCLUDING THE DNR, WHO HAVE DONE THAT FOR SOME OF THEIR MORE RECENT ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE MAXWELL BAY.
WHICH NOW HAS THAT WIDER ACCESS TYPE.
IT HAS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF AND STAKEHOLDERS I'VE WORKED WITH, IT HAS PROVIDED FOR SAFER CONDITIONS FOR THOSE THAT ARE USING IT.
YOU DO TEND TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE PEOPLE NOW FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE USING IT AS OPPOSED TO THOSE SKINNIER RAMPS THAT ARE JUST MORE CHALLENGING TO USE, ESPECIALLY AT HIGH-FREQUENCY SITES LIKE THIS ONE.
AND FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM DNR, THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING AT THIS ACCESS WOULD WARRANT THAT CHANGE.
RELATIVE TO THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE ARE YOU PLANNING TO STRIPE IT FOR THREE LANES OR JUST WOULD IT BE NOT STRIPED AT ALL? WE WOULD WE WOULD PROBABLY STRIPE IT FOR THREE.
I THINK THAT'S ABOUT I UNDERSTAND I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO STAFF TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD BE STRIPED ALONGSIDE ALL THE OTHER STRIPING THAT GOES ALONG AT THIS SITE BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A SPECIFIC STRIPING WITH THAT OH, YOU KNOW MAKES CLEAR WHERE TO GO LIKE FOR THE DECONTAMINATION WITH STRIPING THEY OFTEN DON'T FOLLOW THAT LIKE YOU SAW THE MY EXAMPLE HERE THAT BY COMING STRAIGHT DOWN SO THERE WOULD BE CHALLENGES WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO STRIPE IT TO MAKE CLEAR THE OPTIONS THAT FOLKS HAVE WITH UP TO THREE BEING ABLE TO BACK IT.
HAVE YOU STUDIED THE IT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP EARLIER TONIGHT WAS THAT BY REORIENTING THE DIRECTION OF THAT, THERE'S A BIGGER CHANCE THAT IT WOULD GO RIGHT INTO THE CHANNEL WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF BOATS GOING THROUGH.
RICH, HAS THAT BEEN STUDIED AND ANALYZED AT ALL? YEP, WE'VE HAD OUR DESIGN TEAM LOOK AT THAT.
KIND OF BALANCE THE CHOICES OF HOW DO WE BEST REORIENT THAT TO ALLOW FOR A STRAIGHT BACK, BETTER ACCOMMODATE THE BOATER TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE, IN THIS CASE THE WIDENING OF IT, AND ORIENT IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT MATCHES THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND THIS ORIENTATION PROVIDED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THAT BALANCE.
WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY ORIENTED IT MORE, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE PUT IT FURTHER INTO THE CHANNEL TRAFFIC.
SO WE DO FEEL THAT THIS STRIKES THAT BALANCE BETWEEN EACH OF THOSE VARIABLES WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE IMAGE THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ORIENTATION TOWARDS THE CHANNEL.
THAT WILL REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE MANEUVERING.
REGARDING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU'D HAVE SEVERAL OPEN HOUSES.
I KNOW I ATTENDED ONE OF THEM.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY RESPONDENTS HAVE YOU HEARD FROM? EITHER PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP OR, I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU DID AN ONLINE SURVEY, THAT TYPE OF THING.
HOW MANY NUMBERS ARE WE TALKING HERE IN TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT? I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE MATERIAL TO KNOW AN EXACT NUMBER.
I CAN'T SAY WHEN WE REACHED OUT WE WERE WE TRY TO BE COMPREHENSIVE IN TRYING TO REACH OUT TO FOLKS INCLUDING HAVING HAVING SIGNAGE AT THE ACCESS WE MAILED MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN A PROXIMITY OF THE ACCESS AND USED BOTH CITY CHANNELS AND COUNTY CHANNELS TO GET A HOLD OF PEOPLE WE WERE HOPING FOR MORE RESIDENTS TO ATTEND THOSE BUT I YOU KNOW THE THE TIMING OF IT MAYBE DIDN'T WORK AND WE JUST DIDN'T WEREN'T ABLE TO REACH AS MANY FOLKS AS QUICKLY I THINK WE HAD AROUND A DOZEN AT EACH EVENT IF I HAD A BALLPARK YET BUT IT DID VARY WITH EACH.
SO PROBABLY ON THE ORDER OF 25 TO 50 RESIDENTS ACROSS ALL
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THREE OUTREACH EFFORTS.WITH YOUR SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE SITE, ARE WE GOING TO MAYBE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE SPRING PARK ACCESS RATHER THAN THIS ACCESS FOR COMMERCIAL, OR IS THAT ACCESS ALSO NOT ONE THAT WE WANT COMMERCIAL? YOU SAID WE HAVEN'T TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT HOW TO ENFORCE ANY COMMERCIAL RULES AT SPRING PARK I MEAN FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.
IT'S PROBABLY EASIEST TO ENFORCE THEM SIMILARLY AS YOU'RE OPERATING WITH EACH, BUT OKAY, I'LL LET LISA SPEAK TO THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT I CAN SHARE.
AND THE MAYOR HAS BEEN PART OF SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS.
COMMISSIONER EDELSON HAS REALLY BEEN HAVING MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BARF OPERATORS, WITH OTHER OPERATORS OF DIFFERENT LAUNCHES, IN ORDER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNICATION STRATEGY PERMITS.
PROTOCOL WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE LAKE SO THAT IT'S NOT THIS LAUNCH VERSUS THAT LAUNCH AND THE OVERALL SAFETY OF THE LAKE CAN BE IMPROVED IT'S JUST THAT WE KNOW THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS AT THE SPRING LAKE SO IT IS MUCH EASIER TO ENFORCE THINGS RATHER THAN AT NORTH ARM YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE SURE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS TOPIC? I GUESS MAYBE ONE MORE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PLAN CONTEMPLATES DOING ANYTHING ABOUT.
THE BOAT RENTAL COMPANIES, THAT'S ANOTHER COMMON COMPLAINT WE GET, THAT THEIR BOAT RENTAL UNITS ARE OPERATING OUT OF THERE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN RESTRICT THAT.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE THAT'S A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE'VE SEEN AT THE NORTH ARM LANDING WHERE THESE BOAT RENTAL COMPANIES ARE TAKING UP ALL THE PARKING SPOTS.
REALLY CLOGGING IT UP AND ONE OF THE INTENTIONS OF THAT 20-MINUTE LIMIT IS TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF CASES TO AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE AT SPRING PARK THAN NORTH ARM BUT WE'VE SEEN IT AT BOTH WILL HAVE THE RENTAL COMPANIES MOORING THEIR CRAFT AT OUR DOCK FOR OFTEN LONG PERIODS OF TIME YOU HAD EVEN HOURS AS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ONE GROUP TAKE IT IN THE MORNING LET'S SAY ANOTHER GROUP IN THE AFTERNOON.
THEY MIGHT NOT OVERLAP SO THAT ITEM SPECIFICALLY IS TO ADDRESS AGAIN.
WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT? AGAIN, OUR BIGGEST ISSUE SO AND WITH HAVING MORE PEOPLE AT THIS ACCESS ON A DAILY BASIS THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIMARY WAYS TO ENFORCE THIS I'LL GET AT THIS I BELIEVE IN THE NEXT SLIDE ACTUALLY, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPORTING SYSTEM FOR LITTER MANAGEMENT IT WILL ALSO HAVE SIMILAR CALL OR FOR ISSUES LIKE THIS.
IT WILL PROVIDE TO THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL SO IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES FROM ACCESS USERS OR NEIGHBORS, EACH CAN REPORT IT TO US.
SO THAT EVEN AT OFF HOURS, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AT 7 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, IF WE DON'T HAVE AN INSPECTOR THERE, WE DON'T HAVE STAFF THERE, THEY HAVE A WAY TO REPORT DIRECTLY TO STAFF THAT CAN FIND A WAY TO RESOLVE IT.
DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER THEY WANT TO, I GUESS, FIND PEOPLE AND MAKE ORDINANCES THAT WOULD FIND PEOPLE FOR USING THIS AS A STAGING PROPERTY OR AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT AND STUFF OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO AS A CITY? IF IT WERE THE COUNTY ENFORCING WE WORK WITH THE MODES WE HAVE THROUGH OUR CURRENT EITHER SECURITY OPERATIONS OR WATER PATROL SO IF THOSE WEREN'T EFFECTIVE OR YOU WANTED TO FIND A DIFFERENT SOLUTION I WOULD RECOMMEND A CITY IN THAT CASE.
ALL RIGHT ONE MORE QUESTION IS THE IS ANY PART OF THE GOAL OF THIS REDESIGN TO INCREASE USAGE AT THIS LANDING? NO IT IS NOT.
IT'S TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT USERS THAT WE HAVE ON SITE WITH A FOCUS ON THE RECREATIONAL USERS.
IN YOUR ESTIMATION WILL THIS INCREASE USE? IT MAY, IF, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THOSE WIDER, WITH THAT WIDER ACCESS FOR IT.
I THINK THE REALITY IS THOUGH THAT WE ARE SITE LIMITED HERE WITH THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WE HAVE.
SO FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO LAUNCH A BOAT, FOR EXAMPLE, MOST USERS ARE GOING TO NEED TO PARK THAT BOAT AT THE LAUNCH.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, THEY HAVE NO ADDITIONAL SPACES RELATIVE TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE CURRENTLY.
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SO WE REALLY COULDN'T EXPAND IT FURTHER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW FOR OUR RECREATIONAL USERS.AND WITH THE FURTHER COMMERCIAL RESTRICTIONS, THAT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE THE USAGE FROM OTHER COMMERCIAL OPERATORS THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PARKING AGAIN, BUT...
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LOT OF THE STANDARD PARKING ACTUALLY DESIGNATED FOR FISHERMEN, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU HAVE THESE NEW PODS DEVELOPED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PARKING AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO USE THOSE.
WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT TRASH AND LITTER MANAGEMENT AT BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THE OUTREACH PRECEDING IT.
CONCERNS WITH THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE, HOW IT WAS IMPLEMENTED, AND THE TRASH OVERFLOWS WE OCCASIONALLY SAW IN THE DUMPSTER.
DO SOME OF OUR SOLUTIONS DO MIRROR WHAT WE PRESENTED AT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ONE OF THOSE BEING THAT PACK AND PACK OUT POLICY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER ACCESSES MAXWELL BAY AND GRAYS BAY AND IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR NEW WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN THE ZERO WASTE PLAN THAT TRIES TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WASTE THAT WE GENERATE SO THIS IS SOMETHING OUR BOATERS WILL BE READY FOR HAVING DONE THIS AT OTHER ACCESSES ANYWAY WHERE WE STILL WILL BE PROVIDING SOME TRASH RECEPTACLES FOR OUR SHORE FISHING FOLK SO THOSE HAVE BEEN IN THE DESIGN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ONE OF THE ITEMS I DID JUST MENTION HERE THOUGH IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REPORTING ISSUES ON SITE SO WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE THAT CLEARLY PROVIDES A NUMBER AND WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT A REPORTING PROCESS THAT ENSURES THAT WE RESPOND WITHIN TWO DAYS WITH ANY CONCERNS AND QUICKLY ADDRESS THEM.
WE ARE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO HAVE OUR CENSUS SERVER SDS CREW ON SITE TWICE A WEEK TYPICALLY BEFORE AND AFTER WEEKENDS.
WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE THEM OUT THERE THREE TIMES A WEEK IF WE HAVE SAY BUSIER WEEKEND OR THE 4TH OF JULY OR MEMORIAL DAY, WE DO HAVE THEM OUT THERE MORE FREQUENTLY, AND THAT WILL CONTINUE.
AND HOW ABOUT MAINTENANCE OVER THE WINTERTIME AS WELL? WE HAVE NOT HAD THE DUMPSTER OUT THERE OVER WINTER.
WE WILL PUT IT OUT MEMORIAL DAY AND THEN TAKE IT OUT AFTER OR AROUND LABOR DAY DURING THE PRIMARY BOATING SEASON.
SO HISTORICALLY, WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED TRASH, LIKE A DUMPSTER, OUT THERE OVER THE WINTER.
BUT WHAT IF THERE'S BEEN TRASH LEFT THERE IN THAT AREA.
THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR FOLLOW-UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT USED IN THAT WAY.
BASE FISH ARE OUT THERE AT THEIR DUMP.
THEY'RE USED TO JUST DUMPING IT AND LEAVING.
I THINK THAT REFLECTS THAT DUMPSTER BEING THERE FOREVER.
THEY ASSUME THAT WE HAVE TRASH MANAGEMENT THERE OVER THE WINTER.
THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER REASON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THIS POLICY IS TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THERE WILL NOT BE THAT OPTION ANYMORE, AND I EXPECT IT WILL TAKE A YEAR OR TWO FOR FOLKS TO LEARN THAT.
BUT WE'LL BE EDUCATING AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MAKE THIS CLEAR.
THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE LIKE YOUR OTHER ACCESS EXPERIENCES ACROSS LAKE MINNETONKA.
IS CIGARETTE SMOKING PROHIBITED AT THIS ACCESS OR NOT? COUNCIL MEMBER, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
I WAS GOING TO OFFER THAT I PICKED UP, I'LL SAY CONSERVATIVELY, A HUNDRED CIGARETTE BUTTS THERE TWO DAYS AGO.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING, THERE WOULD NOT BE AN INSTALLATION OF ANY TYPE OF RECEPTACLE FOR THAT TYPE OF, IF THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, IT WOULD NOT BE A RECEPTACLE FOR CIGARETTES PUT INTO A PLAN LIKE THIS.
AND FOR LANDSCAPING PERIMETER BUFFERS, I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED SEVERAL OF THESE, SO I'LL BE BRIEF ON THIS SLIDE.
BUT WE HEARD AN EXPRESSED INTEREST IN HAVING A DYNAMIC AND BENEFICIAL NATURAL RESOURCE IMPROVEMENT ON THIS SITE, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THAT PERIMETER BUFFER, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST.
SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE, AND HAS ALREADY BEEN, I THINK, INTRODUCED VERY WELL, IS A REESTABLISHMENT OF THE FOREST HABITAT, REMOVING THOSE DISEASED AND INVASIVE TREES, REPLACING THEM AT A GREATER THAN ONE-TO-ONE RATE WITH...
MINNESOTA NATIVE CLIMATE RESILIENT TREES THAT HAVE BEEN CHOSEN SPECIFICALLY BY OUR FORESTER AND THAT'S INCLUDING THAT PLANTING PLAN I THINK IT'S ABOUT A DOZEN SPECIES THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING ACROSS THIS SITE BUT ESPECIALLY WITH HIGHER DENSITY ON THAT WESTERN BUFFER TO MAINTAIN AS BEST WE CAN WHAT WE HAD HERE HE ALSO CHOSE TREES THAT WERE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO USE HIS WORDS AND WE'RE ALSO FAST-GROWING BECAUSE WHEN WE PLANT THESE THEY WILL BE SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT SPECIES THAT ARE OUT THERE OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF OLDER TREES WE WANT SOMETHING THAT CAN QUICKLY REESTABLISH WITHIN A FEW YEARS AND THOSE WERE CHOSEN SPECIFICALLY ALONG THAT PERIMETER BUSK
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WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH WELL A LOT OF THE VARIANCES HERE SO I'LL BE QUICK OR THE THREE VARIANCES THAT WERE INTRODUCED WE WALKED THROUGH IN OUR PROPOSAL HOW WE FEEL THAT WE MEET THE NEED FOR THIS EACH OF THESE VARIANCES WILL BE REQUIRED FOR US TO IMPLEMENT THE DESIGN INCLUDING THE HARDCOVER WITHIN THE 75-FOOT LAKE YARD THAT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC ACCESS HERE.IT'S CRITICAL FOR PROJECT SUCCESS.
THE OVERALL SITE COVER, IT WELL EXCEEDS 25%.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE 4% HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT SITE, MUCH OF THAT IS PERMEABLE PAVEMENT.
IT WILL REACT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD FOR TURF GRASS, INFILTRATING THAT FIRST INCH OR TWO OF RAIN AND SENDING IT THROUGH THAT TREATMENT SYSTEM BEFORE IT ENDS UP IN THE LAKE OR INFILTRATES THROUGH THE GROUNDWATER.
AND LASTLY, THE BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES IN THE 75-FOOT SETBACK.
WE HAVE THAT DECONTAMINATION SHED THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT HOT WATER ON-DEMAND SYSTEM, AND THEN THAT SHADE CANOPY FOR AS INSPECTORS.
THE SHADE CANOPY IS IN THAT LAKESHORE BECAUSE WE WANT IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAMP.
SO AS BOATERS ARE COMING OFF THE LAKE, THEY'RE ABLE TO EDUCATE THEM RIGHT AWAY, REMOVE ANY OF THOSE INVASIVES, AND DIRECT THEM TO THE DECONTAMINATION SHED.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT ON THE WESTERN SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S THE EASIEST FOR SITE FLOW.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE FAR ENOUGH UPLAND THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THAT WATER SAFELY AND TREAT IT BEFORE SENDING IT BACK INTO THE LAKE SO BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS WERE SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN FOR THIS SITE LASTLY IS THAT CAN IT SO SORRY IS THAT CANOPY? PERMANENT OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU TAKE DOWN IN THE FALL AND PUT UP IN THE SPRING IT LOOKED A LITTLE BIT LIKE IT WAS NOT A PERMANENT ITS ATTENTION IS TO BE PERMANENT.
YES, SO THAT WILL BE THERE THROUGHOUT THE SEASONS FOR THAT AND AS I NOTED THE PROJECT CAN'T BE REDESIGNED TO AVOID THESE VARIANCES WE HAVE CHANGED SOME FEATURES FROM THIS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR EXAMPLE REDUCING THE HARDCOVER ON THIS SITE BUT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT BELOW 25% WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAY WITH OUTSIDE OF THE 75 FOOT SETBACK BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE REQUIRED AND THOSE STRUCTURES ARE BENEFICIAL FOR THIS PROJECT IN THE SITE OVERALL FROM OUR LASTLY IN THE CITY VARIANCE ANALYSIS STAFF AGREED THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF AND COUNCIL NEED TO SO I'LL LET THE CITY STAFF SPEAK TO THOSE SPECIFICS THOUGH AS WELL, SO WE HOPE OUR UPDATED APPLICATION CONVERSATIONS AND PRESENTATION DEMONSTRATE OUR COMMITMENT TO WORKING WITH YOU YOUR RESIDENTS AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY TO REVITALIZE THE NORTH ARMS SITE I SAID EARLIER WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND A GOOD PARTNER.
WE CAN'T OUTRIGHT BAN COMMERCIAL ACCESS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AND BE OPEN TO THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS AND WE'RE OPEN TO EXPLORING THOSE OPTIONS WITH YOU, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH THE WORK THAT COMMISSIONER EDELSON HAS STARTED WITH ENGAGING OTHER LAUNCH...
OWNERS, LARGE COMPANIES, AND OTHERS, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH A BROADER ORDINANCE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD PASS REQUIRING A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL PARTNERSHIP IN ORDER TO DO THAT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TALK ACROSS AS MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENCY FOR ORDINANCES AND OR THE CITY PUTS CONDITIONS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY TO MANAGE.
SO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COUNTY PUTTING RESTRICTIONS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE HOOPS YOU'D HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO DO THAT? SO IN OUR QUICK WORK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DATE IS THE COUNTY WOULD.
PASS AN ORDINANCE, BUT WE WOULD NEED EVERY COUNTY TO PASS AN IDENTICAL ORDINANCE.
WE MAY ALSO NEED OTHER CITIES TO TAKE ACTION IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE ORDINANCES APPLY.
IT JUST TAKES TIME AND PARTNERSHIP AND EDUCATION AND UNDERSTANDING AND PROCESS.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON OUR RESTRICTIONS OTHER THAN WE CAN'T BAN COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M CONFUSED BY US NOT BEING ABLE TO BAN COMMERCIAL.
I KNOW WE'D LIKE TO HIGHLY DISCOURAGE IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMERCIAL USE HAS BEEN...
PART OF THE REASON THAT WE HAVE A MORE OR A FASTER BREAKDOWN IN THE RAMP AND SUCH.
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OUR OPTIONS ARE.SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP.
WHEN LAURA AND I WERE LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK LAURA HAS A PROPOSED CONDITION, AND SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THESE STATEMENTS ABOUT, WELL, WE CAN'T BAN COMMERCIAL.
WELL, WHAT WE CAN BAN, IN MY OPINION, IS THE TYPE OF USE THAT'S THERE.
SO I THINK THE STAGING AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP.
YOU KNOW, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS ADVISED THEIR STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO, BUT IN MY OPINION, WE CAN IMPOSE SOME CONDITIONS AROUND COMMERCIAL, AND I THINK THE EASIEST TO ENFORCE ARE SOME OF THOSE WHICH LAURA'S PUT IN HER SLIDE DECK THERE.
IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TRULY LOOK AT WHAT THE WORD COMMERCIAL MEANS, WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE TOUGH IS RENTAL.
WHETHER I SHOW UP WITH A BOAT I OWN OR WHETHER I SHOW UP WITH A BOAT THAT PERHAPS I'VE RENTED FROM SOMEONE, ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT A COMMERCIAL USE OR NOT? HOW DO YOU POLICE THAT? IT GETS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT IN TERMS OF MATCHING TITLES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO LAURA, THE PRIMARY ISSUE, I MEAN, ALL COMMERCIAL, YES, BUT THE PRIMARY ISSUE...
RELATED TO BARGES AND ACTIVITIES ON THE ACTUAL PARKING SURFACE THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I THINK WE HAVE FULL SCOPE TO REGULATE THAT OKAY, I THINK FROM MY OBSERVATION.
I LIVE ON NORTH ARM THAT ACTIVITY JUST BLOSSOMED IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS I DON'T THINK WE HAD THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY GOING ON BUT IN PART MAYBE BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS WAS PROPOSED TO EXPAND THIS TO TO HAVE THAT SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL LOADING AREA THAT THE MESSAGE WENT OUT TO THE COMMERCIAL OPERATORS, OH, NORTH ARM IS FAIR GAME.
SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO RESTRICT THAT, I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THIS IS ZONED, LAURA, FOR RESIDENTIAL, THIS AREA.
THIS IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE FOR A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH AS THE BOAT LAUNCH HAS BEEN OPERATING BEFORE OUR ZONING PUT INTO PLACE.
SO IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE OPERATIONS OF A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH HAVE BEEN OPERATING BEFORE OUR ZONING.
MY CONDITION, LIKE SOREN HAS NOTED, IS A RESTRICTION ON...
SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS OFTEN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGING, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, PROHIBITING THAT USE ON THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
SO IT'S REALLY REGULATING AND TIED TO THE USE ORIENTED WITH THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THOSE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE GRANTING FOR HARDCOVER VERSUS REGULATING THE USERS OF THE LAUNCHING ACTIVITY.
IT'S MORE REGULATING THE USERS ON THE PARKING LOT ITSELF IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION, I MEAN, THE VOTE WAS 7-0.
IT DIDN'T MENTION THAT IN THE COVER PAGE, BUT IT WAS A 7-0 VOTE TO DENY.
AND PART OF MY UNDERSTANDING IN LOOKING AT THAT WAS THAT THIS IS AN EXPANSION OR POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF NONCONFORMING USE.
AND WHILE WE MAY SAY WE CAN'T PREDICT OR WE'RE NOT INTENDING FOR THIS TO INCREASE THAT USAGE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT...
FANTASTIC-LOOKING BRAND-NEW BOAT LAUNCH THAT HAS PICNIC AREAS AND FISHING PODS AND WHATNOT, IT'S LIKELY NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME EFFECT OF PREVENTING FURTHER USE.
IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF HOSTILE ARCHITECTURE DESIGN.
THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE STAFF'S THOUGHTS ON THAT? THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, SO STAFF, THEIR INTERPRETATION IS THAT THIS IS, LIKE I NOTED, A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH, AND SO OPERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH AND ANCILLARY TO A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH ARE EXISTING TODAY, WHETHER IT'S FISHING AND THE ASI USE OR PEOPLE.
KIND OF MAYBE NOT FORMALLY PICNICKING BUT KIND OF HANGING OUT ON THE SITE ARE ALL KIND OF ANCILLARY TO THAT PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH THAT THE SITE'S CURRENTLY OPERATING TODAY.
SO STAFF'S INTERPRETATION IS THAT THIS IS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE AS IT OPERATES TODAY.
THE REDESIGN OF THE ELEMENTS, ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR INTENSIFICATIONS, AS YOU WOULD SAY, ARE TRIGGERING THE VARIANCE NEEDS.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS ASSOCIATED FOR INCREASED HARDCOVER.
A MORE INTENSIFIED BUILDING AND STRUCTURES ON THE SITE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING MANY OF THESE VARIANCES PROCESS IT'S NOT AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT BECAUSE IF IT WAS IN KIND IT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH THESE PROCESSES TO NOTE THAT THESE THEY ARE IMPROVING THE SITE IN CERTAIN WAYS BUT STAFFS INTERPRETATION IS THE USE OF THE SITE IS IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING USE THAT'S BEEN OPERATING.
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QUESTIONS AND THE LANGUAGE AROUND SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL STAGING, MATERIAL STAGING, WOULD THAT BE INTERPRETED TO INCLUDE NOT ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO DUMP RIPRAP ROCKS THERE, THAT SORT OF THING? WE COULD STOP THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.YEP, SO SPECIAL MOBILE EQUIPMENT IS...
SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN OUR CODE, OFTEN RELATED TO LIKE TRACKED EQUIPMENT OR LOADERS OR SKID STEERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, STAGING MATERIALS AS DESCRIBED IN THIS CONDITION WOULD DIRECTLY REFLECT PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT TO STAGE RIP-RAP.
SO THEY DROP ROCK OR THEY DROP MAYBE BUILDING MATERIALS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO SHIP IT OUT TO BIG ISLAND OR WHATEVER THAT NATURE IS.
BUT IF YOU'RE UNLOADING MATERIALS AND THEN PICKING THAT MATERIAL UP TO PUT IT ON TO A BARGE OR SOMETHING TO THAT DEGREE IS DIRECTLY I...
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT WITH THAT CONDITION.
AND IS STAFF PROPOSING ANY PENALTIES WHEN WE FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THESE RULES? SO THIS IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO IT WOULD BE THE HENNEMAN COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT THEIR SITE IS OPERATING WITHIN THE APPROVALS GIVEN TO THE SITE.
SO THERE'S TWO PATHS OF ENFORCEMENT.
THESE APPROVALS ARE FROM THE CITY TO THE COUNTY.
AND SO YOUR REMEDY, IF THEY'RE VIOLATED FROM HERE, IS TO TALK ABOUT PERHAPS REVOCATION OF THOSE APPROVALS.
THAT WOULD BE A REVOCATION OF A VARIANCE IF THE TERMS WEREN'T TO BUY WITH THE CUP.
THESE ZONING APPROVALS DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO FINE THE PUBLIC OR TO ENFORCE IT LIKE A LAW.
WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IS PERHAPS AN ORDINANCE, OR IF THE COUNTY LOOKED AT AN ORDINANCE.
THAT IS WHAT ALLOWS YOU TO, IN FACT, FINE THE PUBLIC.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT A DETERRENT.
YEAH, SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, WE COULD HAVE A COMPANION ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD APPROVE TO.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S ZONED, NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS ALLOWED ON THAT.
IF WE SEE THAT, WE HAVE SOME TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US RIGHT NOW.
IF WE SEE THAT THAT ISN'T ENOUGH OR IT'S NOT DEFINITIVE ENOUGH, WE CAN FURTHER LOOK AT IT.
BUT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AREN'T ALLOWED ON THAT SITE RIGHT NOW.
IT HASN'T STOPPED THEM, THOUGH.
JUST BECAUSE, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS LANDING A BARGE, IS THAT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY? YEAH, I MEAN, JUST IN AND OUT, WHAT'S THE ACTIVITY? AND THAT'S WHERE LAURA AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT JUST USAGE OF THE SLIP OR THE LANDING, WHETHER THAT TRULY CONSTITUTES A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
I'M NOT SURE OUR CODE IS EXPLICIT ON THAT.
PUTTING MATERIALS ON THE AREA, THAT IS OPERATIONAL, IF YOU WILL.
SO I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ON THAT.
IF WE WANTED TO REALLY GET AND SAY NO BARGES, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING JUST MORE SPECIFIC.
BUT WE COULD DO THAT? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, TO BE CANDID.
FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE TO THAT DEGREE.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE WEIGHT LIMITS ON OUR ROADS, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THE...
THE CONDITION IS MEANT TO, I THINK, TRY AND REGULATE WHAT WE HEARD WAS THE MOST OFFENSIVE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES GOING ON.
I THINK IF SOMEONE PUTS IN A PONTOON THEY DON'T OWN BUT IS RENTED...
IS IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF SOMEONE OWNS IT AND PUTS IT IN? MAYBE.
IT INCREASES THE TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TOO.
SO WE'D WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO REGULATE AND WHAT'S THE OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOR BEFORE WE JUST USE THIS TERM COMMERCIAL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
ARE WE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO POSSIBLE LIABILITY IF WE ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE? POTENTIALLY, YEAH.
THE LAKESHORE AREA, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LAYERS OF REGULATION ON THERE IN TERMS OF WHEN IT STOPS BECOMING THE LAND AND STARTS BECOMING THE WATER.
WHO HAS JURISDICTION THERE? SO I DO, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY HAS SAID, NO, IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE LOOKING AT TOO, A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL EFFORT.
I DO THINK THAT'S THE MOST PRODUCTIVE.
OF COURSE, THAT IS TIME CONSUMING.
I'M KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE LANDING AREA.
THAT MAY ENCOURAGE MORE USAGE THAN WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, AS SOMEBODY THAT USES THAT AND HAS TO BACK MY TRAILER DOWN THERE, THE MORE SPACE, THE BETTER.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE AREN'T, BY MAKING IT THAT WIDE, ENCOURAGING USAGE OF THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT CONSIDER MAKING THAT A LITTLE NARROWER.
MAYBE NOT APPLES TO APPLES, BUT I THINK ABOUT FREEWAY DESIGNS.
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ON FREEWAYS, PEOPLE GO FASTER AND MORE PEOPLE DRIVE.SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT ACCOMMODATING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT I WOULD SAY ALMOST BY DEFINITION, WHEN WE INCREASE THE WIDTH OR THIS DESIGN, IT'S INVITING MORE.
WITH THE ORIENTATION, WITH THE WIDTH.
SO MY THOUGHT ON THIS IS THAT ANYTHING SHORT OF...
MAINTAINING OR I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID GIVE A FACELIFT, BUT SORT OF IMPROVE UPON WHAT IS THERE, THE ADDITIONS, ALL OF THEM, ESPECIALLY THE WIDTH OF THAT RAMP IS NOT GOING TO DISCOURAGE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE STILL IN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, BUT I'M READY TO DISCUSS.
SO I WON'T GO ANY FURTHER IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
IS THAT MATERIAL THAT'S GOING TO BE USED ON THE GROUND, SO THEY'RE DROPPING OFF BOULDERS, AND THEN THEY COME WITH THEIR SKID STEER TO LOAD THEM UP AND PUT THEM ON THERE.
HOW PERMEABLE IS THAT, OR HOW WOULD THAT GET DAMAGED ENOUGH? AND THEN IT'S THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOLID ASPHALT AS IT IS NOW, THAT DAMAGE THAT CAN OCCUR TO THAT SURFACE WILL...
JUST WITH NORMAL TRAFFIC YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, NORMAL TRAFFIC.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE BANNING IT, BUT STILL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, OKAY, LET'S JUST SAY NORMAL TRAFFIC.
IS THAT DURABLE ENOUGH TO NOT HAVE DAMAGE? IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO FIX IN FIVE YEARS.
SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IS NOW, RIGHT? SO ALL OF A SUDDEN.
PUTTING INTO PLACE ALL THE STORMWATER ISSUES HELPFULNESS AND MAKING IT MORE ENVIRONMENTAL WHICH IS ALWAYS GOOD BUT AT THE SAME TIME IS IS THAT NOT AS DURABLE AS MATERIAL TO DO THAT ANYBODY FROM THE COUNTY WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT UM SO I CAN JUST SPEAK TO I PULLED UP THE STORMWATER PLAN HERE SO YOU GUYS CAN KIND OF SEE ALL WHERE THE GRID THAT HEXAGON GRID KIND OF ITS PLACE IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT TRUE GRID SYSTEM WHICH IS GOING TO BE KIND OF I'M NOT AN EXPERT SO I'LL LET THE COUNTY SPEAK TO MORE OF IT BUT I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE THAT PERMEABLE KIND OF ROCK TYPE NATURE AND THEN THE CONCRETE AND BITUMINOUS IS GOING TO BE MORE OF THE DRY VIALS SO IF LIKE WE NOTED I AM SUGGESTING TO PROHIBIT THAT STAGING AND MATERIAL STAGING BUT REGARDING THE DURABILITY OF THE TRUE GRID SYSTEM AND THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, I CAN LET THE COUNTY SPEAK TO THAT.
I WILL DEFER TO OUR ENGINEER IN THE AUDIENCE FOR ANY REALLY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THE WAY I WOULD VIEW IT IS THAT TRUE GRID MATERIAL THAT YOU SEE, THE BLUE HEXAGONAL MATERIAL, WILL FACILITATE TRAFFIC.
IT IS TRAFFIC GRADE, SO IT WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY OF THE WEIGHTS OF A TYPICAL TRUCK AND TRAILER.
AND DOES AS WE NOTED THE AREAS WERE EXPECTING MANEUVERABILITY AND A LOT MORE TRAFFIC WE PURPOSELY HAVE KEPT OUT OF THE PERMEABLE PAVING ESPECIALLY THOSE AREAS FROM THE RAMP FURTHER SOUTH TO THE ISLAND AND WEST ALL THOSE AREAS ARE CONCRETE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOMETHING VERY DURABLE TO BE TAKING THOSE REGULAR TRAFFIC LOADS, AS OPPOSED TO THE PERENNIAL PAVEMENT, WHICH WILL ONLY BE TAKING MORE IRREGULAR TRAFFIC LOADS OR MORE STATIONARY LOADS.
BUT THAT MATERIAL IS DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND A TYPICAL TRUCK AND TRAILER.
HOW ABOUT PLOWING IN THE WINTER? BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT USE THAT RAMP TO GET OUT ON NORTH.
AND AS WE UNDERSTAND, TOO, I THINK THE ORNER POLICE OFTEN WILL STAY HERE.
WE DO OFTEN PLOW THIS THROUGHOUT THE WINTER.
SINCE YOU'RE UP HERE, ANOTHER QUESTION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THIS, BUT HOW MANY OTHER RAMPS ARE THERE THAT ARE 35 FEET ON LAKE MINNETONKA? DO YOU MEAN THE 45 FEET? 45 FEET, EXCUSE ME, YEAH.
MAXWELL IS? I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU, COUNCILMAN HURD, ON THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I CAN INCLUDE THAT WITH THE FOLLOW-UP THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU THE COMPLETE LIST.
I KNOW MY STAFF MEMBER HAS THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
HOW WIDE IS IT RIGHT NOW? IT'S 30? 30.
WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE IT SAFER AT 35 WITHOUT EXPANDING IT INTO A THREE LANE.
AND WE DID HAVE A NARRATIVE REQUEST FROM THE WATERSHED DISTRICT TO INCLUDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT WIDENING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO STAFF AS WELL.
WE'RE ALREADY PREPARING THAT ANYWAY, SO IT'S AN EASY ADD.
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TO PROVIDE SOME...DO THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? OH, THEY WERE JUST CURIOUS, YEAH, BECAUSE IT IS ON THE SHORELAND.
SO THEY JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF THE BASIS FOR THAT, AND WE'RE ALREADY PREPARING THAT NARRATIVE ANYWAY.
I THINK OUR LAST CONVERSATION, THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BOAT RAMP, THE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION PLAN, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOME BACKGROUND THAT WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
I'VE DELVED INTO THIS ISSUE A LOT FURTHER SINCE I WENT TO THE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD HERE AT THE CITY TO REVIEW THE PLANS, THE OPEN HOUSE.
AND THE MORE I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THE MORE TIME, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT, THAT I'VE SPENT AT THE LANDING.
I HAVE MANY CONCERNS ABOUT HOW OUR CITY, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR STAFF, AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE ARE BEING IMPACTED AT PRESENT BY CURRENT CONDITIONS.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ASPHALT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR THAT TYPE OF THING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ENFORCEMENT AND THE ISSUE OF COMMERCIAL USE, THE ISSUE OF REFUSE.
AND GENERALLY HOW THAT SITE IS BEING MAINTAINED.
AND THIS IS WHY I'VE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY SERVICING THE AIS OR TRASH COLLECTION.
BECAUSE I KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, I FILLED A BAG THE OTHER DAY.
AND THE REALITY IS YOU CAN PUT UP A SIGN THAT SAYS NO DUMPING, WHICH WE HAVE AT...
ONE OF OUR OTHER PARKS AND I PICKED UP A WEED WHIP AND A METAL TABLE THERE TWO DAYS AGO RIGHT NEXT TO THE NO DUMPING SIGN.
SO A SIGN ITSELF, AND WE ALL KNOW THIS, IS NO GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE ARE EITHER GOING TO ABIDE BY A PARKING SPACE THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR FISHING ACTIVITY OR THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO THROW AWAY GARBAGE OR DUMP.
SO THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VERY COMPLEX ISSUES THAT INVOLVE HUMAN BEHAVIOR, THAT INVOLVE WANTING PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, WHICH SOMETIMES THEY DON'T, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE CONVERGED IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE CAUSED QUITE AN ISSUE.
AND ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT, I DO, THE LIBRARY, HENNEPIN COUNTY LIBRARIES WERE MENTIONED EARLIER, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I DID LOOK INTO HENNEPIN COUNTY POLICY ABOUT ROOM RENTAL AT LIBRARIES, AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S VERY CLEAR CLEAR IN HENNEPIN COUNTY WEBSITE THAT PATRONS MUST REVIEW AND AGREE TO THE MEETING ROOM PUBLIC USE AGREEMENT BEFORE A RESERVATION REQUEST CAN BE APPROVED.
RESERVE SPACE MAY NOT BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSACTING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
AND IF PARTIES THAT USE THE ROOMS DO NOT CLEAN UP OR CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE ROOMS, FUTURE RESERVATIONS MAY BE DENIED IF THE PATRON DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE MEETING ROOM PUBLIC USE AGREEMENT.
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO POLICE AND REGULATE AND ENSURE THAT PATRONS ARE ABIDING BY A LIBRARY MEETING ROOM THAN...
WE HAVE BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE AT THIS PUBLIC LAUNCH, AND THAT IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE.
AND I THINK IF THIS WERE AN APPLICATION THAT WAS LOOKING AT ASPHALT RESTRUCTURING, I'M A BIG FAN, AND IT WAS ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS TO ADD IN THE NATIVE PLANTING, TREE DIVERSIFICATION.
THOSE THINGS ARE ALL, I THINK, FANTASTIC, AND I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THOSE.
THE ISSUE I HAVE AT THE APPLICATION IS THAT WE WERE BEING ASKED OR LOOKED AT A VACATION OF PUBLIC LAND, WHICH I HISTORICALLY HAVE JUST, I DON'T THINK, WELL, I'VE NEVER APPROVED ONE OF THOSE IN THIS CITY IN HISTORY.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A GOOD PUBLIC BENEFIT WHEN YOU'RE VACATING LAND.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OWNS, AND I VIEW THIS LANDING AS ONE WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT, WE DON'T HAVE OUR HANDS AROUND SOME OF THESE ISSUES, WHETHER IT BE COMMERCIAL USE, THE LITTERING, WHATNOT.
AND THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION FOR REPAIRING.
IT IS AN APPLICATION, AS IT SAYS, TO MODERNIZE.
AND THAT'S THE WORD THAT I'M HUNG UP ON BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MODERNIZE MEANS.
WHAT I KNOW IS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ISSUES THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT AND ADDRESS.
SO I AM NOT INCLINED, GIVEN THAT, TO MAKE THIS LANDING.
ARGUABLY MORE ENTICING, LARGER,
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MORE ACCOMMODATING, FOR NOT JUST COMMERCIAL USE, FOR EVERYONE.I PICKED UP A HOT DOG BUN THAT WAS ON THE GROUND WHEN WE HAVE PICNIC AND MORE HARDCOVER RIGHT AT THE LAKESHORE, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS CURRENTLY WHERE PEOPLE SOMETIMES ARE IDLING.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW A PICNIC STRUCTURE RIGHT NEXT TO THE WATER IS GOING TO IMPROVE WHAT ALREADY IS.
A REALLY DELICATE ECOSYSTEM THERE ABOUT HOW PEOPLE USE THIS.
AND I THINK IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IT IS A LEAP OF FAITH FROM MY STANDPOINT TO SAY, ON PAPER, THIS LOOKS MODERN, IT LOOKS APPEALING, BUT THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THIS ALL COMES TOGETHER IS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ISSUE.
SO I STRUGGLE WITH THE VACATION OF PUBLIC LAND, AND I'M NOT INCLINED TO BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
AND REGARDING THE HARDCOVER, THE VARIANCES, WE SEE...
THESE TYPES OF VARIANCES QUITE OFTEN WHEN IT'S SIMPLY AN IMPROVEMENT NEAR THE LAKESHORE, WHICH IS ONE THING.
THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S EXPANDING HARDCOVER.
AND AGAIN, IN THE EFFORT TO MAKE THE SITE MORE SAFE, MORE FUNCTIONAL, MORE USABLE, I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ON BY DOING THESE THINGS IS GOING TO IN ANY WAY ACCOUNT FOR WHAT LITTLE GAIN THERE MAY BE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, AND ARGUABLY IT WOULD BE MAYBE MORE BEAUTIFUL, BUT I QUESTION MODERNIZATION AND I QUESTION SOME OF THESE PLANS.
THERE WAS REFERENCE TO MAKING PAVED PATHS SO THAT FISHERMEN CAN EASILY ACCESS THE LAKE.
WELL, I HAD NO TROUBLE PARKING THERE AND WALKING STRAIGHT TO THE LAKE FROM THE PARKING SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF...
IT COULDN'T BE MORE ACCESSIBLE.
DOES IT NEED WORK AND UPKEEP REALLY IS THE WORD THAT I THINK OF.
YES, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR RAC TO TAKE ON.
AND IN FACT, I'VE NOT RECEIVED, OR WE, THE COUNCIL HAS NOT RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM RESIDENTS OR TAXPAYERS, NOR HAVE I RECEIVED ANY PHONE CALL OR EMAIL IN SUPPORT OF THIS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
NOT JUST THE FOLKS WHO LIVE NEAR THERE, BUT THE OTHER FOLKS.
SO AS MUCH AS I LOVE BEING OUTSIDE, WHICH I REALLY DO, AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT TRASH PICKUP BECAUSE I ACTUALLY LIKE DOING THAT.
IT'S A NICE THING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I ENJOY IT.
HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT THIS IS BITING OFF MORE THAN WE'RE PREPARED POTENTIALLY TO CHEW, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT BY ADDRESSING A PROBLEM, WHATEVER THAT PROBLEM IS, WE MAY BE CREATING TWO TO THREE MORE.
THE SHERIFF AND ALSO OUR POLICE CHIEF WITH THOSE CONCERNS, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS ITS HANDS FULL.
AND I DON'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS EASIER ON DEPARTMENT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS DON'T DO THIS OR DON'T DO THAT.
THE WAY, IN MY OPINION, IS TO DESIGN OR REDESIGN OR FIX THESE ISSUES TO NOT ENCOURAGE WHAT IS ALREADY OCCURRING THERE AND IN FACT TO DISCOURAGE, IF POSSIBLE, MORE OF THOSE THINGS.
I WILL SAY, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS DIRECTION, CORRECT? FOR BRINGING A RESOLUTION TO THE NEXT MEETING? YEP, SO I'M LOOKING FOR COUNSEL TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT ME TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION.
AND THEN WHETHER IT'S FOR OR AGAINST OR WHEREVER YOU GUYS LAND, SOME BACKGROUND FOR THAT RESOLUTION.
ARE WE GOING TO SPLIT IT UP AS FAR AS, YOU HAD THREE SEPARATE THINGS THAT YOU WERE KIND OF ASKING FOR, WEREN'T YOU? CAN YOU GET BACK TO THAT? SO THESE ARE THE FOUR APPLICATIONS, THE VACATION, THE VARIANCE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND THE INTERIM USE PERMIT.
YOU CAN ACT AS ONE, AS A GROUP, OR SEPARATE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GUYS, HOW YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR MOTION.
I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BENSON JUST STATED THAT SHE'S NOT INTERESTED IN VACATION, AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY I'M NOT EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FEELS.
YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
SO, YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE...
AND I THINK YOU SAID EARLIER THAT IF WE'RE NOT VACATING, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THIS DESIGN AT ALL.
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PERHAPS? POTENTIALLY IT MIGHT INCLUDE I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO TO SOREN BUT IT POTENTIALLY COULD INCLUDE MAYBE SOME SORT OF ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT THEN WELL YOU KNOW I I LIKE A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY HAS PROPOSED IN TERMS OF MAKING NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THAT THAT AREA IS IN NEED OF IT I HATE TO SORT OF SLAM THE DOOR ON THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE HERE WE HAVE THE COUNTY WILLING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO IMPROVE AN AMENITY IN OUR CITY.I LIKE THE ADA COMPLIANCE ASPECT OF IT.
I LIKE MAKING IT EASIER FOR OUR FISHERMEN.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN THERE ARE, I THINK AS CHRIS EARLIER SAID, THEY'RE FISHING FOR THEIR DINNER.
AND I'VE BEEN BY THERE HUNDREDS OF TIMES ON MY BOAT AND WHEN THE WATER LEVEL IS HIGH, PEOPLE ARE STANDING WITH WATER UP TO THEIR ANKLES IN MUD.
MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE A, NOT JUST NICE TO HAVE, A NEEDED TO HAVE FOR THE FISHERMEN THAT USE THAT AREA.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT A BOAT LAUNCH THAT ISN'T AT A COCKEYED ANGLE ANYMORE, THAT'S SAFER.
I'M NOT SURE I LIKE THE 45 DEGREES WIDE.
PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE NARROWER.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE STORMWATER IS THE SURFACE THAT ALLOWS THE STORMWATER TO GET FLUSHED THROUGH ROCK AND OTHER PURIFYING MEANS BEFORE IT GOES BACK INTO THE LAKE.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW.
SO THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THIS, AND I HATE TO SLAM THE DOOR ON IT.
I'LL JUST ADD, AS I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT FROM CITY STAFF AS WELL AS THE PRESENTATION TODAY, I LOOK AT THIS AND I SEE AN INVESTMENT THAT'S BEING MADE BY THE COUNTY TO IMPROVE.
AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M NOT A BOATER, I'M NOT A LAKE PERSON, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE INVESTMENT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IN THIS TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO USE THIS, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO STAY AND FISH OR THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT ON THE LAKE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN MEANINGFUL IN THINKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
I THINK THE BIG HANGOUT FOR ME IS THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE COMMERCIAL USE.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT A WIDER BOAT RAMP ENCOURAGES MORE COMMERCIAL USE OR LESS.
I THINK PEOPLE, IF THEY WANT TO GET ON THE LAKE, THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
I THINK IF WE WANT TO HAVE IT SO THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRASH OR LITTERING, YOU HAVE TO INSPECT WHAT YOU EXPECT.
I THINK THAT IF YOU GO TO ANY PUBLIC LANDING AROUND THE LAKE, YOU'LL PROBABLY FIND TRASH THAT YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT THERE OR APPRECIATE THERE.
SO I'M ONE THAT THINKS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE KICKED BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
DISCUSSION OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
BUT I, FOR ONE, THINK THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF LISTENING TO A GREAT DEAL OF INPUT TO COME UP WITH THIS NEXT PHASED DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT.
I AGREE WITH YOU, BOB, THAT IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO JUST SLAM THE DOOR ON IMPROVEMENTS.
THE COMMERCIALIZED PIECE, IT'S A CHALLENGE.
I THINK IT'S QUITE CLEAR, WHICH IS WHY I CONTINUE TO GO BACK TO MAINTENANCE.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, AND I THINK IT WAS EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION, THE PHRASING WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THE COUNTY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS FAIR.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, ONE OF OUR MAIN JOBS HERE IS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY, OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW...
WELL-BEING, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, THE BURDEN ON STAFF, ALL OF THESE THINGS.
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SO WHEN I SAY I'M NOT CONVINCED, I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS THERE A WAY TO SCALE BACK AND OR, LIKE WAS DISCUSSED FURTHER, DO WE NEED TO DO A COMPLETE OVERHAUL AND MODERNIZATION OR IS THIS A SITUATION WHERE LESS COULD BE MORE? AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITH POTENTIAL UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES THAT ONCE IT'S BUILT, WE WILL BE THE ONES FIGURING OUT ENFORCEMENT AND ALL THE REST OF IT, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE DOING NOW AND IS CURRENTLY A REAL CONCERN.SO I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
BUT I AGREE THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT.
A LOT OF THOUGHT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THIS.
I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT WHAT...
WE ARE OPENING THE COMMUNITY TO BY PUTTING THIS IN PLACE.
I ALSO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN THIS.
I LOVE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
I LOVE THEM TAKING A LOOK AT THE REFUSE CONTAINERS.
THE DUMPSTER HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD SOLUTION.
I'VE SEEN MORE, I'VE SEEN WINDOWS CUSHIONS FROM COUCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE.
SO I DON'T THINK THOSE JUST CAME OFF A BOAT.
AND IF THEY DID, IT WAS A COMMERCIAL BOAT.
I LOVE US REMOVING THE INVASIVE VEGETATION AND STUFF.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE BOAT LAUNCH.
IT OPENS UP PEOPLE THINKING THAT WE ARE GOING TO ATTRACT MORE VOTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO THIS SITE, ALTHOUGH THERE IS THE RESTRICTION THAT THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PLACES TO PARK, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY C&T SPOTS AVAILABLE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT NARROWED IN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE LIFT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GREAT, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK MORE INTO THE WALLEYE.
WHAT WAS IT, WALLEYE AND WHEELCHAIRS? WHEELCHAIRS, THANK YOU.
I HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS SON, SO I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET SOMEBODY IN A BOAT, SO I DO LOVE THAT IDEA, BUT I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT...
ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL, I'M JUST NERVOUS ABOUT HOW WE REGULATE THIS.
BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE IT GOING ON AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CONTROL IT RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO TRY TO CONTROL IT.
WELL, CURRENTLY WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO, RIGHT? SO THIS WOULD GIVE US THE MEANS, POTENTIALLY, IF WE PUT THOSE LIMITS ON THERE AND PERHAPS ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD...
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS...
IT'S ILLEGAL ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL, SO COMMERCIAL ISN'T ALLOWED AS IT IS, RIGHT? THAT'S A QUESTION I DID HAVE FOR STAFF, OR MAYBE SOREN.
RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CALL OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAY THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL LOADING GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT NORTH FARM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WOULD OUR POLICE RESPOND? WOULD THEY NOT RESPOND? IF THEY RESPONDED, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? I'D HAVE TO ASK COREY EXACTLY HOW HE RESPONDS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS OPERATING AS A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH, AND IT'S NOT LIMITED BY TYPES OF PEOPLE USING IT.
SOREN, IS THAT? WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION BECOMES COMMERCIAL ISN'T ALLOWED OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS.
WHEN THE POLICE SHOW UP TO CITE SOMEONE TO SHOW THAT IT'S ILLEGAL, IT NEEDS TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR.
AND SO ZONING ORDINANCES, IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO FILE A REPORT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD FEEL THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH TO CITE, DO A CITATION.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, ONE, JUST SHOW THAT IT'S AN ACTUAL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
YOU START GETTING GRANULAR ON SOME OF THAT.
IS JUST SCOOPING SOME DIRT A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY? I MEAN, WE THINK IT IS.
WE ASSUME IT'S A CONTRACTOR, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE STATEMENTS.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A FISCAL TRANSACTION GOING ON.
THE PROVISIONS WE'RE TRYING TO INSTALL ON THE PERMIT ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED.
DO I THINK THAT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS ALLOWED OUT THERE? NO.
DO I THINK THAT? AN OFFICER WHO'S USED TO ENFORCING TRAFFIC AND OTHER THINGS UNDER 609 IS GOING TO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO OPEN UP THE ZONING ORDINANCE ON THE FLY TO FIGURE ALL OF THAT OUT.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE FACING.
THEY'RE NOT GEARED AND TRAINED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
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I GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT.THEY MAY GO OUT, DOCUMENT WHAT THEY'VE SEEN, TAKE PICTURES, SEND IT IN TO A PROSECUTOR.
MAYBE WE GET WHO'S DOING IT, MAYBE WE DON'T.
OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ENFORCE ZONING REGULATIONS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE A ZONING REGULATION, WE ENFORCE THAT WITH THE LANDOWNER, THE USER OF THE SITE, NOT NECESSARILY WITH HOW THE PUBLIC IS USING THE SITE.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS EQUIPPED OR TRAINED TO DO.
SO YOU WOULD NEED SOME OTHER ORDINANCE THAT IS ENFORCEABLE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? IT IS SORT OF ONE OF THE WEIRD DYNAMICS ABOUT THIS SITE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE END USER IS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL WHO YOU'RE GOING TO CITE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY AS THE OWNER AND MANAGER OF THE SITE.
SO IT REALLY GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ON THE IMMEDIATE ENFORCEMENT IS TO SAY YOU'RE NOT ABIDING COUNTY IN MANAGING YOUR PROPERTY BY THE TERMS AND CONTROLS OF THESE APPROVALS WE GAVE.
WHICH PUTS YOU IN A WEIRD SITUATION, TOO, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THESE APPROVALS ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION TO HAPPEN.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE REVOCATION OF A VARIANCE FOR AN EXISTING PARKING? I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS AND CONTROLS AROUND ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S SOMEWHAT LIMITED, BUT CANDIDLY, IT MIGHT JUST BE ABOUT MORE DILIGENT POLICING, MORE DILIGENT PRESENCE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN...
LOADED IS YOU KNOW PERHAPS THE COUNTY WOULD WOULD HELP FUND SOME SOME ADDITIONAL LOCAL POLICE ENFORCEMENT THAT'S BEEN RAISED UP THE FLAGPOLE WITH THE COUNTY AT ALL, BUT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED CERTAINLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES NOT TO DO AN ADEQUATE JOB OF IT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK I LOOK AT IT AS IS THAT MODERNIZATION DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO GET MORE UTILIZED.
IT'S GETTING UTILIZED A LOT NOW, AND IT'S HAPPENING WITH THE DISPERSION OF THE GARBAGE AND ALL OF THAT ALREADY IN A PLACE THAT'S NOT MODERNIZED.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS INCURRING THAT FOR MORE.
IT'S JUST TAKING WHAT IS THERE AND MAKING IT BETTER AND IMPROVING A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS THERE.
BUT I THINK, AS THE CITIZEN HERE HAS POINTED OUT, IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, THE GARBAGE ISSUES HAVE BEEN A BIG ISSUE THERE.
AND WHETHER IT'S IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION OR IF IT'S MODERNIZED, IT CAN STILL BE AN ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK MODERNIZATION OF IT IS GOING TO SAY, THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW ON THAT, IS THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE USED FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR.
AND IF THERE'S WAYS TO HELP CONTROL THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S VERY, OUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS HERE, HOW DO WE ENFORCE THIS, WORKING TOGETHER WITH THAT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I DON'T THINK MODERNIZATION IS GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE IT IN ALL THOSE AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, FROM STRUCTURE TO SAFETY TO WHETHER IT'S 45 FEET OR 30 FEET.
FORTY-FIVE FEET AT NORTH ARM, JUST DOWN THE ROAD THERE.
AND WHY IS THERE NOT THE ISSUES OF GARBAGE THERE AS MUCH? THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PLANTINGS AND MAKING THOSE NATIVE GRASSES AND THAT, I THINK IT MAKES A BETTER AREA IN REGARDS TO THAT.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS GOING TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS MORE MODERN NOW HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER DONE WITH THAT INTENTION.
BUT AGAIN, HAVING BEEN OUT THERE AND COLLECTED GARBAGE ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, WHEN WE'RE PUTTING IN PICNIC BENCHES AND A PICNIC STRUCTURE, THAT ENCOURAGES RIGHT NOW PEOPLE DO NOT PICNIC AT NORTH ARM.
AT LEAST WHAT THEY DO, ALMOST LIKE A TAILGATING SITUATION, WHERE THEY'LL COME OFF THE LAKE MAYBE AND HANG OUT BY THEIR BOAT.
BUT WHEN WE GET A GROUP THAT'S COMING IN FOR RENTING JET SKIS, WHICH IS, AGAIN, AN ISSUE ALREADY, AND THEN PEOPLE STAY AND HANG OUT.
AND I'M NOT ONE TO DISCOURAGE COMMUNITY USE OF OUR SYSTEMS.
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IT'S ALREADY AN ISSUE, AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT BY MAKING IT MORE FAVORABLE TO PEOPLE SPENDING MORE TIME THERE, PICNICKING, WHEN YOU PICNIC, YOU LEAVE REFUSE.I'M OF ALL OF THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE NATIVE, THE STORMWATER, THE ECOLOGICAL, IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT, OUR CITY IS ALL ABOUT LAKE PROTECTION AND THE PRESERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
SO WERE THIS DESIGN TO BE USER-FRIENDLY FOR BOATERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE UTILIZING IT AND ALSO BE ABLE TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE LAKE, CAN THAT BE DONE WITHOUT? MAKING THIS SITE REQUIRE THESE VARIANCES? COULD WE BE IMPROVING ON WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND SIMPLY NOT BY MODERNIZING, WHAT WE MEAN IS BY MAKING SOMETHING EASIER TO USE OR MORE APPEALING FOR PEOPLE TO USE? I THINK THERE'S A CATCH POINT THERE WHERE IF WE ARE THE ONLY, I THINK WE WOULD BE THE ONLY ADA, WHICH I'M NOT AGAINST, BUT IN A STATE.
TO HAVE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT LIKELY IS GOING TO INVOLVE MORE PEOPLE COMING.
AND IT'S NOT A REASON NOT TO ACCOMMODATE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN OTHER CRITICISMS ABOUT IT'S HARD TO GET INTO A CANOE THERE AND WHATNOT.
I JUST THINK THIS IS WAY MORE COMPLEX THAN SAYING WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES WHEN WE GET THERE.
SO I'M NOT INCLINED TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS DESIGN.
WE'RE AT A REDESIGN WITH PLANTINGS AND NEW ASPHALT.
GIVING THIS AREA SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, NOT MODERNIZATION, BUT A FACE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IT, MAKING IT LOOK CLEAN AND WELL MAINTAINED.
BECAUSE IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THERE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I QUESTION DOING, WHAT, 30% GREATER WIDTH OF THE RAMP, WHICH INCREASES USAGE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
BEFORE YOU DO THAT, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT EXPLORING SOME GUIDANCE TO THE CITY THAT WOULD SAY WE LIKE 80% OF THIS, 90% OF THIS.
DON'T LIKE THE PICNIC AREA BECAUSE THAT ENCOURAGES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE.
DON'T LIKE THE WIDE RAMP BECAUSE THAT ENCOURAGES MORE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE.
WE LIKE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THIS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A PLACE WE CAN GO THAT SATISFIES YOUR CONCERNS.
BECAUSE I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THE WHOLE THING IS ENFORCEMENT.
AND THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO ACTUALLY...
IMPROVE OUR CHANCES OF ENFORCING IT.
WITH THE COUNTY AS A PARTNER, WITH MAYBE MORE RESOURCES BEING DEVOTED TO IT, WITH A DNR PERSON THERE TO MONITOR IT DURING THE DAY, HAVING SOMEBODY THERE I THINK WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
NO, AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT THAT'S CONTINGENT AGAIN ON FUNDING, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS THAT CAN DO ONE OF THESE OVER TIME, AND POSITIONS LIKE THAT COULD BE CUT.
AGAIN, MAYBE I'M UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON A RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? STAFF IS ASKING FOR DIRECTION IN ORDER TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION.
YOU CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE COUNTY.
I'M SURE THEY'D BE OPEN TO HEARING FEEDBACK FOR POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS AS THIS DOES NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASING USE OF THE SITE AND DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE BEING WITH INCREASES OR PICNICKING SHELTERS.
REGARDING THE FISHING PIER OR PODS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT HAD CONCERNS ABOUT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY WERE JUTTING OUT INTO THE LAKE.
AND THAT'S BEEN AMENDED, I UNDERSTAND.
HOWEVER, THAT CONCEPT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T, HOW SHOULD I PUT THIS? WE HAVE, THERE'S A RURAL AESTHETIC IN ORONO, AND I TALK
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ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME.AND ONE OF MY, SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT AS IN FAVOR OF IS AMENDING LAKESHORE TO LOOK MORE, LESS UNIQUE.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TYPE OF DESIGN NOT LOOKING AS ECOLOGICAL AS IT MIGHT.
AND I'M JUST, THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THIS.
I WOULD MUCH PREFER RESTORATION OF AN AREA RATHER THAN MORE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SIMPLY REINFORCING SHORELINE, THAT'S ONE THING.
NATURE ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S DESIGNED IN TERMS OF ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.
AND I REACT A BIT NEGATIVELY TO THE IDEA OF PODS.
I LIKE TO SEE DESIGN WORK THAT IS LESS STRUCTURED.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY OF HAVING, AGAIN, WE HAVE A GRAVEL PATHWAY RIGHT THERE.
I'M NOT SEEING A BENEFIT TO HAVING THAT LEVEL OF STRUCTURE ON A NATURAL AREA THAT MANY, MANY BOATS CURRENTLY PASS BY THAT LOOKS, AGAIN, MORE RURAL.
AND I LIKE THE NATIVE PLANTINGS, BUT IN GENERAL I FEEL THAT THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE REDESIGNED WITHOUT LOOKING TO NEED ALL OF THESE VARIANCES AND ASKS FROM THE CITY, INCLUDING THE VACATION OF THE LAND.
SO SCALE IT BACK OR FIX WHAT WE'VE GOT CURRENTLY THERE.
I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE FISHING PODS IS FIX WHAT WE DON'T.
TO ME, THAT'S NOT AN INVITING PLACE FOR SOMEBODY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT OVERALL THE DESIGN LOOKS GOOD.
I THINK IF WE COULD NARROW THE BOAT RAMP, A LOT OF IT WORKS FOR ME.
WHAT ABOUT THE PICNIC AREA? DOES THAT BOTHER YOU? NO, I MEAN, I THINK OVER TIME IT WOULD PROBABLY TURN INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR IT WOULD BE AN OPEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D NEED TO HAVE IT TO START AND PUT THIS IN, BUT I THINK IF THIS IS A PARK AND PEOPLE ARE GOING DOWN THERE TO, YOU KNOW, LAUNCH THEIR BOAT OR DO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE FISHING MAY GO OVER AND SIT AT A PICNIC TABLE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK IS NECESSARY HERE.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THE PICNIC TABLE AS LONG AS PEOPLE CLEANED UP AFTER THEMSELVES.
YOU KNOW, IF SOME FAMILY WANTS TO COME IN AND HAVE LUNCH BY THE LAKE, IT'S THE SAME THING.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WON'T CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THE DUMPSTER THERE.
PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE AND THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S THERE.
SO PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND IT HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT STUFF WASHES UP ON THEIR SHORE.
AND THEY'VE GOT TO CLEAN IT UP.
AND YOU HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ACROSS FROM LORD FLETCHER'S.
THEY'RE PICKING UP STUFF OFF THE SHORE ALL THE TIME, TOO.
IT REALLY, TO ME, COMES DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT.
I THINK THE RAMP SHOULD BE NARROWED, AND WE'VE GOT TO REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO ENFORCEMENT AND MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE THING.
I THINK MAINTENANCE REALLY IS A BIG PART OF THIS AS WELL.
BUT I LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO FISH.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ENFORCE THAT, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET CREATIVE WITH THAT AS WELL.
JOHN, YOUR THOUGHTS? YOU KNOW, 45 FEET OR 30 FEET, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL.
AGAIN, PICNIC TABLES, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE THERE TO UTILIZE IT.
TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER BENSON SAID WE CANNOT.
WE CANNOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT WE CAN ENCOURAGE, AND I THINK THE ENFORCEMENT PART IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST THING HANGING OUT THERE, AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND I THINK IT'S, I LOVE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THIS, BUT ENFORCING IT, AND, YOU KNOW.
I STILL GO BACK TO WHY HAS THIS SPOT IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, ALL THESE THINGS OCCURRED AS FAR AS THE GARBAGE, YOU KNOW, AND BEING USED LIKE THAT.
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ACTUALLY SWIMMING RIGHT THERE AT THE PLACE WHERE THEY'RE AT THE BOAT LAUNCH.THINGS THAT ARE NOT INTENDED FOR THAT, RIGHT? AND UNSAFE.
IT'S HAPPENING AT OTHER PLACES THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF.
AND I AM NOT FOR VACATING THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD VACATE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE'VE GOT THERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD DO THAT WITHOUT IMPACTING THIS PROJECT.
I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A NARROWER RAMP.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO STAY AT 30 FEET, MAYBE IT'S 35, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING LESS THAN 45 BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'LL JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THREE LANES.
I THINK THAT'S INVITING SOME ISSUES.
LIKE THE FISHING PIER, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, LIKE THE NATIVE PLANTINGS, I THINK A LOT ABOUT THIS, I LIKE STORMWATER.
SO I'D BE INCLINED TO SAY, LET'S LOOK AT NARROWING THE BOAT RAMP.
YOU WANT TO MAKE? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMPLETE WITH THE DISCUSSION, THE ACTION I'M LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS A MOTION TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR WOULD BE MOTION TO DENY THE VACATION AS APPLIED AND THEN MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMAINING LAND USE APPLICATION REQUESTS AS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU MAKE THAT MOTION THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT THOSE ARE INCLUDED AT YOUR DIRECTION, OR WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE FIT, OR AT LEAST THEY'RE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BREAK THESE APART, THE VARIANCES VERSUS THE VACATION? IS THAT OKAY? SO, YEAH, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHILE I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CURRENT PLAN, INCLUDING THE VARIANCES, BECAUSE I'M...
I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A POSITIVE IMPROVEMENT OVERALL BECAUSE OF THESE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
WE'VE GOT THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES REGARDLESS.
MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF I COULD, I WOULD MAYBE OFFER A SINGLE MOTION THAT COULD BE MADE, WHICH WOULD BE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE FINDINGS TO DENY THE VACATION.
REPAIR FINDINGS APPROVING THE REQUESTED LAND USE APPROVALS, WHICH ARE THE VARIANCES, THE CUP AND THE IUP, WITH THE ASSOCIATED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS CONTACTING HENNEPIN COUNTY ABOUT PERHAPS NARROWING THE RAMP.
AND THEN ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A CONDITION, BUT BRING BACK OTHER IDEAS REGARDING CONTINUED ENFORCEMENT.
IF FOLKS WANT TO JUST ADOPT THAT, IF I'VE CAPTURED IT, THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSED MOTION THAT YOU COULD MAKE.
WITH JUST ONE SINGLE QUESTION, I'M CURIOUS IF ON THE 45 FEET THERE'S DISCUSSION AROUND THE THREE LANES.
IS THAT, IF YOU STRIPED IT FOR TWO LANES BUT KEPT THE WIDTH, DOES THAT RESOLVE YOUR CONCERNS OR IS IT MORE ABOUT...
OTHERWISE, THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS TO GO BACK TO HENNEPIN COUNTY AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? WELL STATED, SOREN.
ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? FOLLOWED IT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THE MOTION? YEP.
A MOTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS A MOTION TO DENY THE STREET VACATION, TO APPROVE THE THREE VARIANCES, THE CUP AND THE IUP AS PROPOSED, AS WELL AS INCORPORATE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT, TALK TO HENNEPIN COUNTY ABOUT NARROWING THE ACCESS POINT, AND TO BRING BACK IDEAS REGARDING ONGOING ENFORCEMENT OF THESE CONDITIONS.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT MOTION? I AGREE WITH THAT MOTION, YES.
AND IT HAS BEEN SECONDED, SO DOES OUR SECOND AGREE WITH THIS AS WELL? FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[15) LA26-000011, 2745 Kelley Parkway, Extension- Orono Apartments- 6th Extension - Resolution 7678]
THANK YOU.[02:45:01]
ALL RIGHT.WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE ITEM 15 ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS...
AN EXTENSION, A PROPOSED EXTENSION FOR THE APPROVAL OF PUTTING IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING NEAR THE DENTIST'S OFFICE, OLD HIGHWAY 12.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT? YES.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXTENSION TO THEIR FINAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT APPROVED A 56 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
IN APRIL OF 2020, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A FINAL MASTER PLAN FOR A 56 UNIT, TWO AND A HALF STORY APARTMENT BUILDING ON A VACANT PIECE OF LAND JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE.
THE STAFF WAS ABLE TO GRANT A ONE YEAR ADMINISTRATIVE EXTENSION THAT WENT TO APRIL OF 2022.
SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD.
ANNUALLY FOR REQUESTED EXTENSIONS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE CITY CODE DOES NOT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EXTENSIONS ALLOWED BUT COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO DENY OR LET IT EXPIRE IF YOU SEE FIT AND THEN THERE'S FURTHER ACTION FOR REZONING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED TWO LETTERS INCLUDED EXHIBIT B AND PREVIOUSLY IN THEIR EXTENSION REQUEST THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THE COVID PANDEMIC WAS A LARGE COST OF THE DELAY.
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, AND THEN CURRENTLY THEY'RE WORKING FOR REESTABLISHING FINANCING FOR THE PROJECT.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT.
A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL OF EXTENSION IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT IF YOU WISH TO TAKE ACTION.
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
COULD WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, PLEASE, AS TO CURRENT PLANS? I'M NEIL WEBER.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, FOR JOHN IS THE OWNER.
AND, WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FIRST? I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AS WE EXTEND THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR HEARING THAT IF RATES COME DOWN, THIS WILL BE A VIABLE PROJECT.
IS THAT STILL YOUR STANCE? LET ME TRY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE.
AS AN ARCHITECT, I'VE REPRESENTED A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, AND SOME ARE VERY BIG AND OTHERS AREN'T.
PATCH OWNS ABOUT 300 UNITS, AND COMMUNITY, AND MAPLE PLAIN, ORONO, AND WAYZATA, BASICALLY.
AND HE TENDS TO BUY, OWN, RENT, MANAGE EVERYTHING HIMSELF.
HE'S BASICALLY A LOCAL RESIDENT.
HE OPERATES DIFFERENT THAN MAJOR DEVELOPERS.
GRAYSTAR, BRAD HOYT, ALL THESE OTHER DEVELOPERS, THEY HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL JUST TO GO AHEAD.
AND IF THE MARKET ISN'T JUST RIGHT FOR IT...
THEY GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT IN TWO OR THREE YEARS.
AND SO THEY SELL IT ON THE BENEFITS TO COME.
HE OWNS AND HE VERY RARELY SELLS ANY PROPERTY.
AND WHEN YOU OWN 300 UNITS AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD 50-SOME UNITS, THAT'S A HIGH PERCENTAGE.
AND SO FOR HIM, THAT'S A HUGE RISK.
AND SO IT'S A VERY FINE-TUNED THING.
WHEN I WAS HERE LAST YEAR, JOHN HAD TOLD ME IF THE FED HAD DROPPED THE RATE A POINT AND A HALF, HE WAS READY TO GO.
WELL, THEY DROPPED IT, WHAT, 0.5 IN THE LAST YEAR, AND NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP AGAIN.
SO HE HAS HAD, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT MANY OFFERS OF PEOPLE CALLING HIM AND WANTING TO BUY.
HE OWNS THE LAND FREE AND CLEAR, AND HE'S PAYING TAX.
BUT HE DOES NOT WANT TO SELL IT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER.
IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ME BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECT BUILT, AND I'M SURE YOU DO TOO.
WE AS A CITY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT BUILT, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE NEW MET COUNTY.
YEAH, AND SEE, WHAT JOHN WANTS TO DO, HE WANTS TO BUILD A PROJECT THAT IS MARKET RATE FAIR.
LARGER DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD DO IT, I MEAN, BRAD HOYT TOLD ME THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES.
HE LOVES BUILDING RENTAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T RENT, YOU LOWER THE RENT AND THEN SELL IT IN THREE YEARS.
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THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR JOHN.HE'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEVELOPER.
I'VE BROUGHT HIM PROJECTS IN WACONIA AND WHATEVER.
HE WANTS TO BE IN MAPLE PLAIN, ORONO.
IT'S FRUSTRATING, IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR YOU GUYS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT HE HAS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING AHEAD.
AND HIS INTENTION STILL IS, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, WILL ALWAYS BE...
SO, I MEAN, MAYBE I'VE SAID TOO MUCH HERE, BUT...
YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL BACKGROUND.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CHOOSE TO NOT EXTEND THIS? I KNOW THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE ABOUT REZONING IT.
YEAH, SO IF YOU OPTED NOT TO EXTEND IT, THE APPROVAL WOULD EXPIRE.
AND WITH THAT, THE APPROVAL WAS...
CONTINGENT ON REZONING TO A PUD FOR THE DISTRICT.
AND UNDER OUR PUD ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT IF A PROPERTY APPROVAL WERE TO EXPIRE OR YOU WERE TO NOT EXTEND IT, WE'D THEN HAVE TO REZONE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING, WHICH IS LIKE A B6, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THIS PROJECT CAME THROUGH.
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS.
SO IT JUST WOULD BE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ADDITIONAL AT PROCESS THAT WOULD NEED IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO EXPIRE TO RECONCILE THE ZONING BECAUSE THE ZONING THE PUD ZONING IS SPECIFIC FOR THIS PROJECT YEAH OTHER QUESTIONS OR DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION GRANTING ONE-YEAR EXTENSION TO THE ORNALD APARTMENT PROJECT AT 2475 KELLY PARKWAY SECOND A FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEE US AGAIN, MR.
[16) City Hall Office Furniture Replacement]
WEBER.OKAY, NEXT ONE IS CITY HALL OFFICE FURNITURE REPLACEMENT, AND I BELIEVE THAT GOES TO MS. JIN.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO TONIGHT, STAFF IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FURNITURE REPLACEMENT PROJECT FOR 13 OF CITY HALL OFFICES.
SO CITY HALL WAS BUILT IN 1992, AND THE CURRENT DESK IN EACH OF THOSE OFFICES THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT HAS DESKS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY OVER TWO DECADES OLD, IF NOT OLDER.
SO WITH THOSE DEATHS, THOSE DEATHS HAVE FALLEN APART THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
WITH PIECES BEING REPLACED AS NEEDED, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ITEMS THAT CAME WITH THE DESK, SUCH AS WALL STORAGE, HAS FALLEN DOWN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, THERE'S LESS STORAGE NOW WITH SOME OF THOSE CONFIGURATIONS.
THEY'VE TAKEN DOWN WALLS WITH IT.
AND THEN ALSO OFFICES WITHIN CITY HALL ARE CURRENTLY NON-UNIFORM AND LACK STANDARDIZATION.
CURRENT DESKS DO NOT PROMOTE ERGONOMICS AS THEY'RE A STABLE DESK THAT CAN'T GO UP AND DOWN, JUST A REGULAR STANDARD DESK.
AND THEY DON'T PROMOTE ERGONOMICS, WHICH I SAID, WORKPLACE COMFORT AND PRODUCTIVITY.
IT'S NOT ABLE TO ADJUST TO THE EMPLOYEE AND NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT THE NEED OF HEALTHY WORK.
WORKING POSTURES THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AS YOU KNOW, CITY HALL STAFF WERE IN THE OFFICE MAJORITY OF OUR WORKING DAY, IF NOT THE WHOLE DAY.
SO PROLONGED SITTING HAS BEEN SHOWN TO CONTRIBUTE TO DISCOMFORT AND POTENTIAL LONG-TERM HEALTH AND ALSO LACK OF FOCUS AS WELL.
CURRENTLY, SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES WITHIN CITY HALL DOES HAVE A ADD-ON CONVERTER TO THEIR OFFICE TO THEIR CURRENT DESK.
LAYOUT, HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE ERGONOMICS AS THAT ONLY ADJUSTS TO BE ONE LEVEL AND NOT THE EMPLOYEE'S LEVEL.
AND IT'S ALSO A VERY MANUAL PROCESS.
IT DOES BECOME LESS STURDY OVER TIME, AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR WORKPLACE INJURY AS WELL BECAUSE OF IT BEING A MANUAL PROCESS OF HAVING TO MANUALLY LIFT IT UP AND PUSH IT BACK DOWN AND POTENTIAL.
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FINGERS GETTING JAMMED WITHIN THE HINGE AS WELL.AND ALSO IT ONLY LIFTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WORKSPACE, SO IT DOESN'T LIFT THE WHOLE WORKSPACE THAT OFFICE STAFF USES.
AND THEN YOUR PHONE IS ON ONE LEVEL, WHEREAS YOUR KEYBOARD COULD BE ON ANOTHER LEVEL, DEPENDING ON THE ADD-ON THAT WAS PURCHASED.
AND THEN YOU STILL CAN'T CUSTOMIZE YOUR MONITOR HEIGHT WITH THOSE.
SO TRANSITIONING TO A FULLY FUNCTIONAL SIT-STAND DESK WOULD PROVIDE A LARGER AND CLEANER WORK SURFACE MOVEMENT.
WITH THE QUOTES, I DID ASK FOR AN L-SHAPED SIT-STAND OPTION WITH THE BACK, WITH THE BACK IF THERE'S ROOM IN THOSE OFFICES TO BE A ONE LEVEL SURFACE.
ADJUSTABLE SIT-STAND DESK ALLOWS EMPLOYEES TO ALTERNATE POSITION, CUSTOMIZE IT TO THEIR HEIGHT NEEDED, BECAUSE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES ARE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS, SO THEN THEY NEED THE SURFACE TO BE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS TO ENSURE THAT ERGONOMIC SETTING, AND IT ALIGNS WITH BEST PRACTICE.
THIS WOULD SUPPORT EMPLOYEES' WELL-BEING, MINIMIZE THEIR FATIGUE, RISK OF MUSCULOSKELETAL ISSUES, AND ENHANCE THEIR PERFORMANCE.
I ALSO ATTACHED WITHIN THE COUNCIL PACKET EXHIBIT FROM LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES IN REGARDS TO ERGONOMICS AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE CONFIGURED.
STAFF DID REACH OUT TO FIVE DIFFERENT VENDORS.
ONE OF THE VENDORS ACTUALLY GAVE FIVE DIFFERENT QUOTES RANGING FROM 48,000 TO UPPER 60,000.
SO, BUT I ONLY INCLUDED TWO OF THEIR QUOTES WITHIN THAT.
AND THEN AT THIS TIME STAFF IS RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD WITH PREVOLVE AS THE VENDOR WITH THE PROJECT NOT TO EXCEED $45,000.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DESK, THE CABLE MANAGEMENT, AND THEN THE MONITOR ARMS THAT WOULD FIT WITH THE DESK.
AND THAT'S FOR EVERY MEMBER OF STAFF, IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S 13 OFFICES.
SO THERE'S THE FRONT DAS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THAT'S A BUILT-IN DESK SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST OFFICE WAS JUST OUTFITTED, I BELIEVE, IN 2024.
WE'VE HAD THESE OTHER ONES FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WITH THE NEWER FURNITURE, HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE EXPECTED TO GET OUT OF THE NEWER ERGONOMIC FURNITURE? SO AT LEAST...
I WOULD SAY AT LEAST IN DECADE THERE'S A LIFETIME WARRANTY ON THE DESK.
AND THEN WITH CERTAIN MOVING PARTS HAVING A 5 TO 12 YEAR WARRANTY ON THEM AS WELL.
IS THERE AN OPTION FOR A DESK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNICATIONS? SO COMMUNICATION OFFICE WAS APPROVED IN 2024, AND THAT ALREADY IS A STAND-CAPABLE OPTION.
OH, IT'S ALREADY THERE? GREAT.
DOES THIS INCLUDE YOUR OFFICE AS WELL, MR. EDWARDS? BECAUSE I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, HEY, I DON'T NEED NEW FURNITURE.
BUT THAT WAS A COMMENT YOU MADE TO ME.
MAGGIE KEEPS TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR ME.
I'M FINE WITH MY OFFICE FURNITURE, BUT SHE DID PUT THAT IN THE QUOTE AS WELL.
AND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE REST OF THE STAFF, SO AS MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE DESKS THAT WE HAVE REPLACED OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH NEW STAFF LIKE THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT STANDING UP.
AND THEN I THINK IT WAS MAYBE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO WE DID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO ALL THE DETECTIVES.
AND ALL THEIR DESKS ARE OF THIS SAME TYPE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
AND MOST OF THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS FACILITY, AS WE BROUGHT THAT IN, WITH I THINK THE EXCEPTION OF THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE, WHICH IS ALL USED FURNITURE, WE BROUGHT IN THE NEW FURNITURE THERE AS WELL.
WELL, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM.
IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP YOUR CURRENT FURNITURE, HOW MUCH OF A SAVINGS WOULD THAT BE? SO EACH OF THE OFFICES.
APPROXIMATELY 3,500 TO 4,500 GIVE OR TAKE AND THAT'S A U-SHAPE THAT'S IN THE MAJORITY OF THE OFFICES SO I WOULD DROP IT 40,000 AS OPPOSED TO 45 MAYBE POTENTIALLY AND I KEEP TELLING THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR HIM TO ALSO GET US AT STANDARDS
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FOR YEAH ALL OF THEM HIS POSTURE AND FOR WHOEVER DOES END UP TAKING THAT POSITION IN THE LONG RUN SOMEDAY.SO HOPEFULLY ADAM DOESN'T LEAVE IN THE SHORT RUN, BUT IN THE FUTURE THIS DESK WOULD STILL BE THERE ONCE HE WANTS TO RETIRE OR RESIGN OR WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE? I KNOW WE...
TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, AND I DON'T THINK WE APPROVED IT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, SO THESE TYPE OF DESKS ALREADY EXIST IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH, AND PUBLIC WORKS.
YES, I DID SOLICIT QUOTES FROM THE COMPANY THAT DID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ABF, THE ALTERNATIVE BUSINESS FURNITURE.
THEY CAME IN AT CLOSE TO $44,000.
AND THEN I DID SOLICIT A QUOTE FROM THE...
THE VENDOR WHO DID THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES, AND THEY CAME IN AT CLOSE TO $60,000.
THEIR DESK WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE A, ON THE STAND, THEY DID HAVE LIKE A PANEL, A WOODEN PANEL THAT LOOKED A BIT NICER BUT WAS OUT OF THE PRICE RANGE.
THE CIP WAS A VERY, VERY ROUGH ESTIMATE, SO I HAD ESTIMATED FOR IT.
HOWEVER, I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A CABLE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, FOR INSTANCE, OR MONITOR ARMS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE SIT-STAND OPTION.
THIS DOES NOTHING WITH THE CONFERENCE ROOMS? CONFERENCE ROOMS STAY THE SAME? CONFERENCE ROOMS WOULD STAY THE SAME.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I KNOW KATH JUST MOVED TO A DIFFERENT OFFICE DOWN IN I'M IN HOPKINS, AND I THINK THAT YOU KIND OF WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE BENEFITS, THE PHYSICAL BENEFITS AND WHATNOT.
WE, AGAIN, THIS IS YEARS AGO WHEN WE PUT THEM IN IN CITY CENTER, BUT PEOPLE CONSTANTLY WERE STANDING AT THEIR DESK.
IT WAS, IT, THERE ARE BENEFITS TO THAT.
WE DEFINITELY DID SEE THAT IT WASN'T JUST SAFETY OR JUST HAVING A DESK YOU COULD TELESCOPE UP AND DOWN.
IT WAS LIKE, NO, THIS REALLY PHYSICALLY WAS, THERE WAS SOME ADVANTAGES TO IT.
ONCE YOU GET INTO IT, ADAM, YOU'LL REALLY LIKE IT.
I HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN ON MY DESK.
ANYBODY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OR WANT TO MAKE...
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF NEW OFFICE FURNITURE FOR THE CITY EMPLOYEES.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE JUST A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
EVERY 25, 30 YEARS WE IMPROVE.
OFFICE FURNITURE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL THE QUESTION.
[17) Community Event Planning]
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE A GOOD CHANGE FOR THE OFFICE.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 17, WHICH IS COMMUNITY EVENT PLANNING.
I THINK THIS ONE GOES BACK TO MR. EDWARDS.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE ITEM IS TO ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE FOR COMMUNITY EVENT PLANNING.
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMUNITY EVENT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS FOR 2026 FOR THE COUNCIL.
IN FACT, IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL.
AND SO IN ORDER TO START PLANNING FOR AN EVENT, IN PARTICULAR, I GUESS, TAKING A STEP BACK, THERE WAS A TWO-PART GOAL THERE.
ONE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOME KIND OF HOLIDAY EVENT.
AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT GOAL WAS THEN TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER EVENTS THAT WE COULD DO JUST LOOKING AT A TIMELINE FOR DOING A HOLIDAY EVENT.
WE'RE COMING UP ON THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO START PLANNING THAT SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO SET UP A COMMITTEE TO DO THAT AND AS PART OF THAT COMMITTEE LIKE TO HAVE TWO SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THAT COMMITTEE A COUPLE PARKS COMMISSIONERS AND THEN IN THE COUNCIL ACTION I OUTLINED WHO I THOUGHT THE APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBERS FOR THAT COMMITTEE WOULD BE AND THEN THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND START PLANNING THIS, BRINGING IN OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE PART OF THAT, WHOEVER IS LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH US ON THAT.
THERE WILL BE SUBSEQUENTLY, THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE'S BOUND TO BE COSTS.
SO COMING BACK WITH WHATEVER THE PLANS ARE FOR THE EVENT AND THE ASSOCIATED COST APPROVALS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT.
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GREAT.I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO ESTABLISH SOME KIND OF PLANNING COMMITTEE, AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL TO APPOINT TWO OF ITS MEMBERS TO THAT COMMITTEE.
ANY VOLUNTEERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN INITIATIVE? YEAH, EXACTLY.
I MEAN, I CAN THROW MY HAT IN.
YOU WANT TO DO IT, JOHN? JOHN AND I WILL DO IT.
AND YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO GIVE YOU...
SO DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO ESTABLISH THIS COMMITTEE AND TO NAME THESE TWO? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE...
ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE MEMBER RICKS AND MEMBER SCHWINGLER AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES ON THE EVENT PLANNING COMMITTEE.
AND TO ACTUALLY FORM THE COMMITTEE, I PRESUME, AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? ANY SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, TOO, FOR STEPPING UP.
SO ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR ADMINISTRATOR AND ENGINEER REPORT? JUST ONE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE...
EVENT PLANNING, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT, DOES ANYTHING COME OF THE SAINTS? OH YEAH.
DID REACH OUT A COUPLE TIMES, CHRISTINE DID.
WE JUST GOT WORD BACK FROM THEM LAST WEEK THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH US.
THAT MEANS STILL TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT WE HAVE REESTABLISHED CONTACT WITH THEM.
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AFTER THE PRESENTATION.WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THAT.
ANYTHING FROM OUR ATTORNEY? I HAVE NOTHING.
ANY COUNCIL REPORTS? YEAH, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT THE SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT BOARD MET LAST WEEK, AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE REALLY NICE PROGRESS WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT, REALLY TAKING A HOLD OF UNDERSTANDING THEIR ROLE TO RUNNING THOSE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE GREAT PARTICIPATION FROM FOLKS FROM BOTH LONG LAKE AND ORONO, MINNETONKA BEACH HAS A REPRESENTATIVE, AND I THINK...
WHERE WE'RE AT, JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF APRIL, BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE SEEN, IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE ONE SHOUT OUT TO RYAN GONCHER.
HE'S ONE OF THE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHO ESSENTIALLY HAS EITHER LED OR DONE HIMSELF A LOT OF THE REBRANDING WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND I THINK IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING JUST HOW MUCH WORK THAT IS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HIM FOR ALL THE WORK HE'S BEEN DOING THERE.
AFTER WE HAD OUR LAST WORK SESSION, I WAS THINKING MORE ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPERATIONAL ISSUES AND ONLY SO MANY STAFF MEMBERS.
THE SEASON IS HEATING UP IN OUR PARKS AND EVERYBODY'S VERY BUSY.
AND SO I DID VISIT FIVE DIFFERENT PARKS AND CLEANED UP ALL THE PERIMETER TRASH AND EVERYTHING IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE FIVE PARKS.
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE AS WE THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SPECIFICALLY COMMUNITY CELEBRATION, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT ONE WAY THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT COMMUNITY IS, IS THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THAT COMMUNITY.
SO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT A HOLIDAY EVENT, WHICH IS GREAT, I WOULD ALSO, NOT BEING ON THE COMMITTEE, GOING TO PUT IN A VOTE FOR THE IDEA OF A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT IS FOCUSED ON ON GETTING OUR HANDS INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF THE PARK COMMISSION, WITH VOLUNTEERISM AND ADOPTING A PARK.
OUR PARKS ARE SORELY IN NEED OF WONDERFUL INDIVIDUALS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHOEVER, ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND MONITOR ON A ROUTINE BASIS WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THESE PARKS.
AS I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH INTO HOW TO PREVENT LITTER, ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS IS TO NOT HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE MOMENT YOU HAVE A BIG GULP DOWN OR WHATEVER, CANS, TRASH, ALL OF THESE THINGS DUMPING, THAT IT'S REMOVED IN VERY SHORT ORDER.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT MODELING AND INVITING OUR COMMUNITY IN FOR A COMMUNITY CLEANUP DAY, WE HAVE THIS WONDERFUL ONE AT PUBLIC WORKS COMING UP, BUT SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE THAT THEIR PARTICIPATION AND THEIR INVESTMENT IN THIS PARK SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES OUR CITY WONDERFUL AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
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I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.WELL, I LIKE THAT IDEA OF ADOPT THE PARK, KIND OF LIKE YOU SEE THIS STRETCH OF LAND NORTHWEST TONIC ALLIANCE HAS, RIGHT? BETERWOOD PARK, THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION, WHATEVER IT IS, GO THERE. I MEAN, HACKBERRY THERE FOR PLAYING FOOTBALL.
WITH BASEBALL, YOU KNOW, HERE WE COULD USE YOUR HELP HERE.
HERE'S A WAY TO HELP KEEP THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME LOGISTICS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT ABOUT WHAT'S PUBLIC WORKS RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS THAT ORGANIZATION OR INDIVIDUAL, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, SO THANK YOU. ANYTHING? COUNCIL MEMBER RICKS? I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION THAT ON APRIL 19TH THAT THERE'S THE PANCAKE BREAKFAST AT SHORELINE, SO FROM 8 TO 12, SO I HOPE PEOPLE ATTEND. AND I JUST SAY I WAS WITH SOMEBODY YESTERDAY WHO SAID HE HAS A NETWORKING EVENT, NETWORKING GROUP THAT MEETS EVERY THURSDAY MORNING AT SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT. HE GOES, WALKED IN THERE AND SAW THE NEW LOGO INTO THE BUILDING. I WOULD JUST REMIND PEOPLE WE'VE GOT THIS EVENT COMING UP APRIL 23RD.
BRAVER ANGELS IS COMING TO LEAD A WORKSHOP FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT THE ORONO ACTIVITY CENTER, 630 TO 8. DON'T KNOW HOW BIG A CROWD WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET THERE EARLY BECAUSE THE ONES THAT I HAVE ATTENDED HAVE BEEN WELL ATTENDED, AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT TO BE THE CASE HERE. AGAIN, IT'S A JOINT PROJECT WITH LONG LAKE. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SYMBOLISM THERE TOO, THAT WE'RE RUNNING TOGETHER TO SPONSOR THIS EVENT, WHICH AGAIN WILL FOCUS ON HOW TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT POLITICAL VIEWS THAN YOU DO.
AND THEY HAVE SOME GREAT TOOLS.
SO I HOPE TO HAVE A LARGE CONTINGENT OF OUR COMMUNITY THERE. IT WOULD BE A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE IF WE RUN OUT OF SPACE IN THAT COMMUNITY ROOM. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY, JUST KIND OF A SHOUT-OUT TO RICHIE FOR HIS TIME AND FOR OUR REPRESENTATIVE AT THE OMCD AND ALL THAT HE PUTS IN.
RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT, SO OUR NEXT, WE HAVE A HABIT OF DOING YOUR PERFORMANCE REVIEW AFTER WE'VE HAD A LONG MEETING, MR. EDWARDS, AND I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT, BUT I GUESS I'LL ASK. OUR COUNCIL WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. IT'S JUST A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO PERFORM THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR.
YES, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN YOUR PACKAGE. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS, BUT LET ME LOOK. IF YOU LOOK ON THE PURPOSE, MR. MAYOR,
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OF THE STAFF REPORT, IF YOU WOULD JUST SIMPLY READ THOSE TWO SENTENCES IN, AND THEN IF THERE IS A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING, WE'LL DO SO. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING AS PERMITTED BY SECTION 13D.05. SUBDIVISION 3A TO EVALUATE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S PERFORMANCE OVER THE PRECEDING YEAR. DOES ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? SO MADE.IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL CLOSE THE MEETING. HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT WE WILL FOLLOW. I WILL HAND OUT THE SELF-REVIEW THAT MR. EDWARDS DID, ALONG WITH A SUMMARY OF THE 360 INTERVIEWS I DID WITH MR. EDWARDS' SIX DIRECT REPORTS.
WE'LL READ THAT. WE'LL EACH PROVIDE OUR OWN DISCUSSION ON THAT. WE'LL TRY TO COME TO A CONSENSUS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL EXCUSE MEMBERS OF STAFF. FROM THE MEETING WHILE WE DISCUSS THAT, AND THEN WE WILL CALL MR. EDWARDS BACK INTO THE MEETING AFTER WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT MAYBE 45 MINUTES OR SO.
IS THAT OKAY? WE JUST NEED TO, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DO CLOSED SESSION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU MEET ANYMORE.
YEP. THE CLOSED SESSION RECORDING. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK. WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR THREE HOURS. THANK YOU. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY
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SOME SANDWICHES LEFT. I HOPE THERE ARE. I DIDN'T GET DINNER.AND AFTER THE BREAK.
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