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          >> IT IS SIX O'CLOCK. 
          [Roll Call]
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE JOINING US TONIGHT, AND PLEASE JOIN US IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          >> 
          >> AGAIN, WELCOME. ALL ARE PRESENT TONIGHT, AND AS OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, 
          [Approval of Agenda]
WE WILL CONSIDER THE AGENDA. 
          INCLUDING THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEMS THAT ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE, WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION WITH NO DISCUSSION, UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF MEMBER REQUESTS THE ITEM TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND ACTION. 
          [Consent Agenda]
TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE AS FOLLOWS. 
          CITY COUNCIL MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, CLAIMS AND BILLS, OUR WORK SESSION SCHEDULE, CONTRACT FOR CODE HOSTING AND UPDATING, ALCOHOL SALE LICENSES FOR NEXT YEAR, RESIGNATION OF A PART-TIME FIREFIGHTER, RESIGNATION AND RECRUITMENT OF A BRUSH SITE ATTENDANT. 
          FOX STREET SEWER MAIN EXTENSION, ACCEPTANCE OF THAT. 
          CASCO COVE REHABILITATION AWARD AND VARIANCES FOR 1840 SHADYWOOD ROAD, A RESOLUTION FOR A RETAINING WALL AT 1450 BRACKETTS POINT ROAD, AND A VARIANCE FOR 1978 SHADYWOOD ROAD. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO PULL FROM THAT CONSENT AGENDA? 
          >> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 9, PLEASE. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM 9. 
          >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS NUMBER 9. 
          >> I'LL SECOND IT. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ALL OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. 
          WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO A MET COUNCIL PRESENTATION. 
          [13. Met Council and Comp Planning 101]
WE SEE DR. CARTER HERE. 
          WELCOME TO THE PODIUM, COME ON UP. 
          >> YES, CITY COUNCIL. 
          IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE. 
          I'M YOUR NEIGHBOR, RIGHT OVER IN MINNETONKA, AND REPRESENTING DISTRICT 3, ORONO IS ONE OF THE GEMS OF THE WESTERN SUBURBS AS FAR AS ITS BEAUTY. 
          I'M GLAD TO TOUCH BASE WITH YOU GUYS AND LET YOU GET TO KNOW US A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          FIRST, I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THE DUTIES OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I MET WITH A MAYOR OR A CITY COUNCIL AFTER I'D BEEN APPOINTED, AND THAT PERSON SAID TO ME, MET COUNCIL, WE'VE NEVER MET A MET COUNCILMAN. 
          I SAID, REALLY? I WAS HAPPY TO BE DOING THAT, BUT I WAS A LITTLE SAD AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE HERE IN SPIRIT AND WILLING TO REPRESENT YOU AND WORK OUT ANY PROBLEMS OR ISSUES THAT WE FACE. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1967 IN RESPONSE TO RAPID AND FRAGMENTED DEVELOPMENT IN THE REGION. 
          PRIOR TO 1967, RAPID GROWTH IN SUBURBANIZATION RESULTED IN MORE TOWNS INCORPORATING INTO CITIES AND AN OVERLAP IN THE PROVISION OF URBAN SERVICES. 
          AS HOUSING EXPANDED INTO NEWLY CREATED SUBURBAN AREAS OF THE REGION TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWING POPULATIONS, DEVELOPMENT OFTEN LED TO ADEQUATE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, EMERGENCY SERVICES, OR PLANS FOR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION AND THE DETERIORATING BUS SYSTEM ALSO PLAGUED THE REGION. 
          TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, THE LEGISLATURE ENACTED THE METROPOLITAN LAND PLANNING ACT, MINNESOTA STATUTES, 473, TO REDUCE REDUNDANCY AND CREATE A METROPOLITAN GOVERNMENT TO PLAN FOR COORDINATED, ORDERLY, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE REGION. 
          AT THAT TIME, THEY SURVEYED THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. 
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WHEN THEY SURVEYED THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER, THEY FOUND ABOUT SIX LIVE FISH, AND IT WAS SUCH A SHOCK. 
          EPA LAUNCHED AN INVESTIGATION, AND WHAT THEY FOUND OUT WAS THAT, I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 34 WATER TREATMENT PLANTS IN THIS AREA, AND NONE OF THEM PASSED. 
          I THINK THEY TOOK ALL OF THEM AND DISABLED THEM EXCEPT FOR FOUR IN THE END. 
          THAT'S WHEN THE IDEA OF THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL REALLY TOOK HOLD. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR COUNTRY IN THE BEGINNING, WE WERE JUST A BUNCH OF LOOSE TERRITORIES, 13 COLONIES STRUGGLING FOR THEIR LIVES. 
          WE ALL BANDED TOGETHER, EAT POOR PLURIBUS UNUM UNDER ONE COUNTRY, AND WE BUILT SOMETHING STRONG. 
          THIS IS THE SAME CONCEPT. 
          MINNESOTA STATUTES DEFINE THE COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH INCLUDE PROVISIONING AND PLANNING FOR THE REGIONAL SYSTEMS OF TRANSPORTATION AND AVIATION, WATER RESOURCES, AND REGIONAL PARKS AND TRAILS, DEVELOPING HOUSING AND LAND USE. 
          POLICY TO GUIDE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND CREATING A REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT GUIDE EVERY 10 YEARS. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT MIRRORS OUR NATIONAL CENSUS. 
          EVERY 10 YEARS, WE HAVE A CENSUS IN THIS COUNTRY TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          THAT FORETELLS THE CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY THE GREAT NATION THAT IT IS. 
          IT ALSO WORKS ON A REGIONAL ASPECTS. 
          WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL, WE TAKE THAT CENSUS DATA, AND WE USE THAT AS THE FOUNDATION FOR REDOING OUR MASTER PLAN FOR THE REGION. 
          THE COUNCIL SERVES AS THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, OR THE MPO, FOR THE TWIN CITIES METROPOLITAN REGION. 
          AS AN MPO IS A FEDERALLY MANDATED POLICYMAKING BOARD THAT SERVES A VARIETY OF PURPOSES, INCLUDING REGIONAL DECISION-MAKING ON TRANSPORTATION AND DISTRIBUTOR IN FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION FUNDING. 
          THE COUNCIL SERVES A VARIETY OF OTHER ROLES, PROVIDING TRANSIT AND WASTEWATER SERVICES. 
          IN 1994, THE COUNCIL BEGAN DELIVERING THE TRANSIT SERVICES THROUGH METRO TRANSIT AFTER MERGING WITH THE METROPOLITAN TRANSIT COMMISSION. 
          IN THE SAME YEAR, THE COUNCIL MERGED THE METROPOLITAN WASTE CONTROL COMMISSION TO PROVIDE WASTEWATER SERVICES TO THE AREAS OF THE REGION WITHIN THE METROPOLITAN URBAN SERVICE AREA. 
          THE TWIN CITIES METROPOLITAN REGION IS COMPOSED OF SEVEN COUNTIES, ANOKA, CARVER, DAKOTA, HENNEPIN, SCOTT, WASHINGTON, WITH 181 CITIES. 
          I REPRESENT 17 CITIES IN THOSE AREAS AND TOWNSHIPS. 
          THERE ARE THREE MAJOR RIVERS IN THE REGION. 
          THERE ARE CURRENTLY OVER THREE MILLION PEOPLE LIVING IN THE TWIN CITIES REGION. 
          THE COUNCIL PROJECTS THE REGION WILL GROW BY 657,000 PEOPLE BY 2050. 
          JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, AS GLOBAL WARMING CONTINUES, THE LEAF IS DESIGNATED AS A REFUGE AREA FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE A SECONDARY AREA IN THAT REGARD. 
          THAT ALSO IS GOING TO FOSTER OUR GROWTH. 
          AS THE CLIMATE WARMS UP, AND PEOPLE IN THOSE OUTLYING FLOODED AREAS SEEK REFUGE, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR WONDERFUL PLACES LIKE WE HAVE HERE. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          HENNEPIN COUNTY IS MY DISTRICT, AND THE ONLY OUTSIDE COUNTY THAT I HAVE IN MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT 3, OUT OF THE 17 CITIES, IS CHANHASSEN, WHICH IS IN CARVER COUNTY. 
          WHY REGIONAL PLANNING? REGIONAL PLANNING SEEKS COORDINATION ACROSS COMMUNITIES. 
          IT CONSIDERS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, GROWTH, AND LIKELY IMPACTS ON OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          WHEN OUR REGION WAS RAPIDLY EXPANDED, THERE WAS A NEED TO CONSOLIDATE TO REDUCE POLLUTION, MANAGE OUR REGIONAL ASSETS, AND ENSURE COORDINATION OF GROWTH. 
          TO SUCCEED, WE MUST WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER ACROSS SILOS AND THROUGH MULTIJURISDICTIONAL PARTNERSHIPS. 
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EACH CITY AND TOWN HAS A UNIQUE CHARACTER AND HAS UNIQUE THINGS THAT MAKE IT GREAT, BUT IF WE BAND TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD, WE CAN ACHIEVE AN EVEN HIGHER COMMON GREATNESS. THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M SHAWN JAMES, I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE MET COUNCIL. 
          JOINING DR. CARTER, PRESENTING HERE TODAY. 
          I'M ALSO A SECTOR REPRESENTATIVE. 
          MY GEOGRAPHY COVERS THE SAME AS DR. CARTER'S, AND I TEND TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF ON COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING NEEDS. 
          LOOKING AT THE SLIDE I'VE PRESENTED HERE, THIS IS OUR 10-YEAR CYCLE THAT A LOT OF OUR WORK IS GUIDED BY, AND WE'RE ALWAYS SOMEWHERE ON THIS CYCLE. 
          DR. CARTER MENTIONED THE DECENNIAL CENSUS. 
          THAT'S WHAT STARTS OUR CYCLE HERE. 
          IN FOLLOWING THAT, IT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS WE DEVELOP A REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT GUIDE. 
          THIS ROUND, WE'VE CALLED IT IMAGINE 2050. 
          THAT WAS ADOPTED EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          FROM THE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT GUIDE, WE HAVE SYSTEM PLANS, SO SYSTEM PLANS RELATED TO THE WASTEWATER, TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS, AND TRAILS SYSTEMS. WE HAVE SYSTEM STATEMENTS. 
          THOSE WERE MAILED TO CITIES JUST RECENTLY, AND THOSE KICK OFF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, NUMBERS FIVE AND SIX NOW. 
          WITH THAT PROCESS BEGINNING, WE'RE DEVELOPING MATERIALS. 
          WE'LL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE MATERIALS TO ASSIST CITIES. 
          WE'LL ALSO BE ENGAGING MORE CLOSELY WITH CITIES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS HERE. 
          THEN, COMP PLANS IT'S A THREE-YEAR PROCESS, THE UPDATE PROCESSES. 
          THEY BEGIN NOW, AND THE COMP PLANS ARE DUE THE END OF 2028. 
          I'LL TOUCH ON EACH OF THESE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH, BUT NOT TOO IN-DEPTH HERE, JUST HIGH-LEVEL HERE. 
          THE METROPOLITAN LAND PLANNING ACT DIRECTS AND AUTHORIZES THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A REGION-WIDE PLAN. 
          THIS IS WHAT I'VE CALLED THE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT GUIDE, I MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          IT'S A LOT LIKE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. 
          IT'S UPDATED EVERY 10 YEARS, BUT THE VISION IS LOOKING OUT 20 YEARS. 
          LOOKING OUT, WHAT DO WE ENVISION FOR OUR REGION? SPECIFICALLY ACROSS LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, WATER RESOURCES, WHICH INCLUDES WASTEWATER, SURFACE WATER, AND WATER SUPPLY, PARKS, AND HOUSING. 
          YES, IMAGINE 2050 IS THE CURRENT REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT GUIDE. 
          I'LL ALSO TOUCH IN MY PRESENTATION HERE ON A COUPLE OF JUST TOPICS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN SYSTEM STATEMENTS AND COMMON TERMS WE USE. 
          FORECASTS ARE KEY TO THE PLANNING CYCLE. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IS FROM THAT DECENNIAL CENSUS, WE GET A REGIONAL FORECAST, SO WE FORECAST ALONG POPULATION, EMPLOYMENT, AND HOUSEHOLDS. 
          FROM THOSE REGIONAL FORECASTS THAT ARE UPDATED EVERY 10 YEARS, WE THEN ALLOCATE THAT REGION-WIDE FORECASTS THROUGHOUT THE CITIES AND TOWNSHIPS IN THE AREA AND IDENTIFY WHERE GROWTH IS MORE OR LESS LIKELY TO OCCUR. 
          WITH THOSE LOCAL FORECASTS, THEN, WE'RE CONSTANTLY UPDATING THEM, WORKING WITH CITIES TO REVISE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING ON THE GROUND. 
          BUT THE LOCAL FORECAST THEN SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR WHAT WE EXPECT CITIES TO PLAN FOR IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, ANOTHER COMMON TERM YOU'LL HEAR IS MUSA, OR METROPOLITAN URBAN SERVICE AREA. 
          IT'S THE AREA WITHIN THE SEVEN COUNTY METRO REGION, WHICH RECEIVES WASTEWATER SERVICE, BUT ALSO IN OUR BROADER URBAN SERVICES ALTOGETHER. 
          THIS AREA IS ESTABLISHED THROUGH COMMUNITIES IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, AND THEN IT GETS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          COMMUNITIES GENERALLY USE STAGING TO IDENTIFY THE 10-YEAR PERIOD DURING WHICH SPECIFIC LAND AREAS WILL DEVELOP AND REQUIRE WASTEWATER SERVICE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE MUSA, NOT MAPPED HERE, WE ALSO HAVE A LONG-TERM SEWER SERVICE AREA. 
          THIS HELPS US PLAN BEYOND THE 20-YEAR HORIZON TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE. 
          THE SIZE OF THIS LONG-TERM SEWER SERVICE AREA DEPENDS 
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ON THE CAPACITY OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, WHICH IS DICTATED BY SEVERAL THINGS HERE, THE AMOUNT OF LAND WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WHAT THAT FACILITY LOOKS LIKE, WHAT UPGRADES WOULD ENTAIL, AND PERMITTING RESTRICTIONS AS WELL. 
          THE LONG-TERM SEWER SERVICE AREA BOUNDARIES DON'T REPRESENT OFFICIAL WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA. 
          THEY'RE ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, DEFINED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGH THE COMP PLANNING PROCESS. 
          OUR INTENT IS THAT THIS AREA GENERALLY STAYS THE SAME. 
          WHAT HAPPENS AS CITIES THAT HAVE A LONG-TERM SEWER SERVICE AREA, SAY THEY PLAN, HEY, WE MIGHT EXPAND THE MUSA INTO THIS AREA EVENTUALLY. 
          WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD, DEVELOPMENT OCCURS ELSEWHERE. 
          WELL, THEN WE MIGHT ADJUST THAT LONG-TERM AREA SO THAT WE TAKE IT OUT OF ONE AREA AND ADD IT TO ANOTHER IN A COMP PLAN. 
          NEXT SLIDE, COMMUNITY DESIGNATIONS, ANOTHER KEY TERM. 
          WE USE THESE A LOT, OUR REGIONAL LAND USE POLICIES ARE FRAMED AROUND COMMON CHARACTERISTICS OF COMMUNITIES. 
          WE REALIZE OUR POLICIES ARE NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL AND SO WE USE COMMUNITY DESIGNATIONS TO IDENTIFY HOW OUR POLICIES WILL APPLY IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          THEY HELP GUIDE GROWTH IN AREAS WITH AN URBAN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THEY ESTABLISH DISTINCT LAND USE POLICIES AND DENSITY EXPECTATIONS. 
          THEY HELP US PROTECT AGRICULTURAL LAND AND NATURAL AMENITIES, AND OUTLINED STRATEGIES TO MEET THE REGION'S FORECASTED GROWTH. 
          THEN WE HAVE DESIGNATIONS FOR AREAS WITHIN THE MUSA AND OUTSIDE THE MUSA, AND THEY'RE BASED ON THE MUSA ITSELF, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES, THE AGE OF EXISTING HOUSING STOCK, AND THEN THE INTERSECTION DENSITY OF STREETS. 
          JUST A QUICK MAP HERE, SOME COMMUNITIES LIKE ORONO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY DESIGNATIONS. 
          IN THIS CASE, SUBURBAN EDGE IS THE AREA WITHIN THE MUSA, AND DIVERSIFIED RURAL IS OUTSIDE THE MUSA. 
          >> ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT IS GUIDED BY THAT COMMUNITY DESIGNATION THEN IS OUR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY POLICY. 
          WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT DENSITY? WELL, IT SUPPORTS ORDERLY EFFICIENT GROWTH, ENSURES THAT OUR REGIONAL SERVICES, AGAIN, WASTEWATER TRANSPORTATION PARKS AND OUR REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS ARE COST EFFECTIVE AND SUSTAINABLE. 
          COMMUNITIES THAT RECEIVE THESE SERVICES ARE EXPECTED TO PLAN AT DENSITIES THAT SUPPORT THEM ECONOMICALLY. 
          THAT SAID, WHILE WE HAVE THIS OVERALL MINIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT, CITIES HAVE LEEWAY TO PLAN FOR LOWER DENSITY IN SOME AREAS AND THE HIGHER AND OTHERS TO OFFSET THE TWO. 
          THE OTHER NOTE IS, THIS POLICY IS ONLY LOOKING AT AREAS WHERE CITIES ARE PLANNING TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE GROWTH, ACCOMMODATE THOSE FORECASTS. 
          WE DON'T PENALIZE CITIES IF THEY'VE DEVELOPED AT LOWER DENSITIES IN THE PAST AND THEN EXPECT YOU TO SOMEHOW AVERAGE OUT. 
          WE ONLY LOOK AT THE GROWTH GOING FORWARD. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. SYSTEM STATEMENTS. 
          THOSE ARE A LETTER, THEY WERE MAILED OUT TO CITIES RECENTLY. 
          THEIR PURPOSE IS TO TAKE THE INFORMATION AND THE SYSTEM PLANS, THAT REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT GUIDE AND THEN BOIL IT DOWN AND EXPLAIN HOW IT OVERLAPS WITH THE CITY ITSELF. 
          THOSE KICK START THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE. 
          THANKS. THE COMP PLAN PROCESS, WHY IS THIS REQUIRED? THE PURPOSE IS THAT THEY ARE LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS. 
          THEY ESTABLISH A LOCAL VISION, GUIDE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN A COMMUNITY AND SERVE TO IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS KEY ISSUES. 
          THEY'RE LEGAL DOCUMENTS, SO THEY CAN PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION FOR DECISION MAKING, BUDGETING AND INVESTMENTS. 
          STATUTE DOES REQUIRE THAT THESE COMP PLANS CONTAIN CERTAIN ELEMENTS OR TOPIC AREAS. 
          THESE INCLUDE LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, WATER RESOURCES, WHICH IS, AGAIN, ALL ENCOMPASSING OF WASTEWATER, 
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SURFACE WATER AND WATER SUPPLY, PARKS AND TRAILS, HOUSING, CLIMATE AND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          WE REALIZE THAT'S A LOT. 
          ONE OF MY ROLES AND MY COLLEAGUES ROLES IS TO PROVIDE A LOT OF RESOURCES TO HELP CITIES THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          NOW, WE REALIZE WE WORK WITH STAFF THAT HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT BEFORE, ELECTED OFFICIALS, TRY TO HELP MAKE SENSE OF IT AND WE ALSO REALIZE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ALWAYS CHANGING. 
          WE PROVIDE A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES. 
          THE FIRST IS THIS LOCAL PLANNING HANDBOOK. 
          IT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE COUNCIL WEBSITE AND IT SERVES AS A ONE STOP SHOP FOR EVERYTHING, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. 
          WITHIN IT, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED COMMUNITY PAGES. 
          YOU CAN SELECT YOUR CITY AND IT REALLY PROVIDES YOU THE CURATED INFORMATION JUST THROUGH YOUR CITY. 
          MAPS, TABLES, TECHNICAL INFORMATION, AS WELL AS A TRACKER OF ANY ONGOING, COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESSES. 
          THEN YOUR ELECTRONIC VERSION OF SYSTEM STATEMENTS, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR PLANS CAN ALSO BE FOUND THERE. 
          THEN THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT REALLY BRIEFLY. 
          BUT IN ADDITION TO, OR INCLUDED WITH LOCAL PLANNING HANDBOOK, THERE ARE A THING CALLED PAGE ELEMENTS. 
          THEY CLOSELY MATCH THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT STATUTES REQUIRE. 
          ONE OF WHICH IS WATER RESOURCES. 
          WITHIN THAT, YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF MATERIALS TO HELP MEET THE WATER RESOURCES, PLAN REQUIREMENTS. 
          IN ADDITION, OUR WATER RESOURCE TEAM GOES OUT AND PERFORMS, LIKE SUB REGIONAL ENGAGEMENTS ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR TO THE DIFFERENT REGIONS ON THE MAP HERE AND CONNECT STAFF ACROSS JURISDICTIONS. 
          IN ADDITION, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION RESOURCES. 
          THAT INCLUDES TOOLS AND RESOURCES SPECIFIC TO DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION MODES. 
          THEN NEW THIS ROUND, WE DO HAVE CLIMATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          ONE IS TO JUST INVENTORY THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          WE DON'T EXPECT CITIES TO DO THIS ON THEIR OWN. 
          WE HAVE A TOOL THAT IT'S REALLY JUST AS SIMPLE AS ENTERING THE CITY AND IT PROVIDES THIS INFORMATION. 
          ONE REQUIREMENT IS JUST USING THIS TOOL AND COPYING AND PASTING WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE. 
          THE OTHER REQUIREMENT THOUGH IS TO ASK THE CITY TO IDENTIFY DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO REDUCE EMISSIONS. 
          THIS TOOL ALSO HELPS WITH THAT. 
          THE INTENT IS THAT WE PROVIDE A MENU OF OPTIONS. 
          WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU WHICH STRATEGIES TO PURSUE, BUT WE PROVIDE THE DATA, THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND LET YOU PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES MAKE SENSE TO YOU. 
          WE ALSO HAVE NATURAL SYSTEMS REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN LAST TIME. 
          HOWEVER, A LOT OF THEM ARE CENTERED AROUND THIS MAPPING TOOL. 
          AGAIN, WE PROVIDE THE DATA UP FRONT. 
          THE FIRST HALF OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ABOUT MAPPING, USING THE TOOL TO SHOW WHAT'S MAPPED. 
          THEN THE SECOND HANDFUL OF REQUIREMENTS ARE ABOUT IDENTIFYING STRATEGIES. 
          THIS CLIMATE ACTION TOOL KIT IS ANOTHER RESOURCE WE'RE PROVIDING. 
          IT'S A COMBINATION OF CLIMATE NATURAL SYSTEMS, STRATEGIES. 
          WE IDENTIFY WHO'S DOING WHAT, DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND NATIONWIDE TO HELP ADDRESS CLIMATE NATURAL SYSTEMS GOALS. 
          THEN LAST, WE HAVE PLANIT. 
          PLANIT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF OUR, WHAT DO WE CALL? EDUCATION AND TRAINING PROGRAM. 
          WE'RE SWITCHING GEARS NOW AND STARTING TO PROVIDE MORE OR WE WILL PROVIDE MORE WEBINARS AND WORKSHOPS IN THE COMING YEARS. 
          WE ALSO PROVIDE A ONE DAY CONFERENCE THAT'S FREE FOR PLANNERS AND THAT'LL BE TOWARDS THE END OF NEXT YEAR. 
          ALL OF THESE RESOURCES WILL BE ONGOING THROUGHOUT THE END OF 2028. 
          WITH THAT, AGAIN, I I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. 
          THANKS FOR INVITING ME. 
          I'M SHAWN JAMES, THE CITY SECTOR REP AND MY ROLE ISN'T TIED EXCLUSIVELY TO THE COMP PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SECTOR REPS ARE AVAILABLE FOR CITIES FOR ANY COMP PLANNING OR OTHER THAT COUNCIL NEEDS OR ISSUES THAT COME UP. THANK YOU WITH THAT. 
          >> YOU BOTH DO YOU HAVE TIME FOR SOME QUESTIONS? 
          >> SURE. 
          >> QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? 
          >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND JUST 
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HOW THE MET COUNCIL IS INVOLVED IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AS IT RELATES TO GROWTH OUTSIDE OF THE METRO AREA AND SPECIFICALLY, HIGHWAYS AND FREEWAYS AND JUST DIFFERENT ROUTES AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S PLANS TO GET AHEAD OF THE GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 10-20 YEARS, JUST THE INVOLVEMENT THAT MET COUNCIL HAS. 
          >> MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER IN THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          BUT MAYBE A HIGH LEVEL, OUR ROLE IS TO HELP COORDINATE WITH CITIES OR COUNTIES BECAUSE THEY DO SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AS WELL, SO WE MAKE SURE THAT FROM THE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT COUNTIES THEIR PLANS ALIGN AND THEN OUR ROLE IS ALSO TO HELP ALLOCATE FEDERAL FUNDING DOWN TO THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          BUT I KNOW TRANSPORTATION MODELING AND PLANNING IS A WHOLE OTHER SYSTEM PLAN WE HAVE HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN REALLY ANSWER IN ANY GREATER DETAIL FOR TONIGHT. 
          >> THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          >> I HAD A QUESTION. YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECTION AND GROWTH IN POPULATION FOR THE SEVEN COUNTY AREA AS BEING, I THINK IT WAS 657,000 OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS. 
          JUST BEFORE THIS, WE HAD A WORK SESSION WHERE WE SAW THAT THE POPULATION GROWTH IN ONO WAS EXPECTED TO BE SOMEWHAT OVER 10,000 TOTAL POPULATION IN 2050. 
          HOW DID YOU ASSIGN THAT TO US, GIVEN THAT A LARGE CHUNK OF OUR COMMUNITY IS DIVERSIFIED RURAL? WAS THAT JUST MATH? TAKING THE 657 AND DIVIDING IT AND ASSIGNING TO A CERTAIN MUNICIPALITY, OR WAS THAT A PRETTY EDUCATED LOOK AT OUR CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND SAYING, YOU CAN SUPPORT THAT? 
          >> MR. MAYOR, THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          WE HAVE A WHOLE OTHER SLIDE SHOW. 
          REALLY GOES INTO THE DEPTH. 
          IN FACT, I CAN FORWARD IT ON IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED. 
          BUT WE DO USE A COMPUTER MODEL TO HELP WITH OUR FORECAST. 
          I KNOW A FEW OF THOSE THINGS THOSE MODELS LOOK AT ARE THE LAND USE PLANS THAT CITIES PROVIDE IN THEIR COMP PLANS. 
          THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUND, SO THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK FOR THE CITY TO INFORM. 
          BUT SOME OF IT IS, LIKE, THE REAL ESTATE MARKET, WHAT WE'RE SEEING THE MARKETS SHOW FOR THE REGION. 
          IT IS A COMPUTER MODEL, IT'S NOT ALWAYS PERFECT. 
          WE DO, ASK FOR CITIES INPUT AND THOUGHTS ON IT AS WELL. 
          SORRY, WAS THERE A SECOND PART TO YOUR QUESTION? 
          >> I WAS CURIOUS IF THAT WAS, IF YOUR COMPUTER MODEL TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR LAND USE HERE AND ALL THAT. 
          >> AS FAR AS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, WE TEND TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE AT, HOUSEHOLDS AS AN INDICATOR FOR, OUR CITY'S PLANNING OR DOES THE LAND USE PLAN ACCOMMODATE ENOUGH HOUSEHOLDS? WE USE THAT AS A PROXY FOR POPULATION. 
          >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. JUST HIGHEST LEVEL. 
          HOW SIGNIFICANT A CHANGE IS THE RESILIENCY AND CLIMATE ASPECT OF THIS PLAN VERSUS THE LAST? ARE THERE ANY AREAS THAT STAND OUT AS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES? 
          >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          THERE'S NEW CLIMATE REQUIREMENTS PER STATUTE AND SO THEY SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR THAT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TOTAL AS WELL AS CLIMATE MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION STRATEGIES. 
          WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC IN THE TYPE OF STRATEGIES WE'RE ASKING FOR. 
          IN ADDITION, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT TOOL IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT SECTORS THAT ARE RELATED TO CLIMATE. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO NAME THEM ALL, BUT LAND USE, AGRICULTURE, NATURAL AREAS, HELP SEQUESTER CARBON. 
          WE DO ASK FOR STRATEGIES SPECIFIC TO EACH OF THOSE SECTORS. 
          IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED AND WE REALIZE THAT. 
          >> THAT'S FINE. THERE'S A THEME HERE, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU COMING. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. IT STARTED ON OUR EDUCATION TOWARDS THE COMP PLAN. 
          NOW IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
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AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE JUST KNOW THAT WE WON'T ENGAGE IN BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION WITH YOU. 
          IF THERE'S ITEMS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP THAT WE WANT THE STAFF TO FOLLOW UP ON WE WILL MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
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BUT WE ENCOURAGE SPEAKERS TO KEEP THEIR COMMENTS RELATIVELY BRIEF, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY. 
          TRY NOT TO BE REPETITIOUS AND PLEASE BE COURTEOUS. 
          WITH THAT, I WOULD INVITE PEOPLE TO THE PODIUM. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS BEFORE YOU BEGIN, PLEASE. 
          >> MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU. MY NAME IS STACY ROYAL. 
          I LIVE AT 3135 JAMESTOWN ROAD. 
          I PREPARED SOME COMMENTS BECAUSE I COULD BE UP HERE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO GO OFF COMMENT TO SAY, THANK YOU TO DR. CARTER AND MR. JAMES FOR BEING HERE. 
          BECAUSE ONE THING I HEARD FROM THEM THAT I JUST WANT TO REPEAT BECAUSE I MAY HAVE HEARD IT WRONG, BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY RESPECT THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A LOWER DENSITY REQUIREMENT ON THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          I REALLY HOPE THAT AS WE DEVELOP THIS 2050 PLAN, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KEEP IN MIND. 
          I'M UP HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S LATER IN THE AGENDA, THE 3220 WAY, IS THAT A BOULEVARD DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, SKETCH PLAN PROPOSAL. 
          WHEN WE MOVED HERE 19 YEARS AGO, THE VERY FIRST FRIEND I MADE WAS A MAN BY THE NAME OF BILL LURTON. 
          WE BOUGHT OUR HOME FROM HIM AND HE HAD LIVED THERE WITH HIS WIFE FOR 28 YEARS. 
          IN THOSE EARLY MONTHS, HE STOPPED BY FREQUENTLY TO PICK UP MAIL, TO CHECK ON THE HOUSE, OR SIMPLY TO CHAT. 
          OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE BECAME VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. 
          I WOULD GO BIKING WITH HIM EVERY YEAR ON HIS BIRTHDAY AND I GOT TO KNOW HIS FAMILY. 
          HE PASSED AWAY WHEN HE WAS 94 LAST YEAR AND HE WAS STILL BIKING WITH ME UP TO THAT POINT. 
          I SHARE THIS BECAUSE BILL OWNED THE LAND WEST OF 3220 WAYS AT BOULEVARD AND HE CHOSE NOT TO DEVELOP THAT LAND. 
          INSTEAD, HE DONATED THE LAND TO THE CITY AND HELPED PLAN A DOG PARK, NAMED AFTER HIS LATE WIFE, THE SUSAN E. LURTON DOG PARK. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPACE WITH TRAILS, PICNIC BENCHES, A PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER. 
          THAT LAND WAS HIS GIFT TO ALL OF US, ROOTED IN HIS LOVE FOR THIS CITY AND FOR HIS DESIRE TO PRESERVE WHAT MAKES ONO SPECIAL. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MET COUNCIL REQUIRES DENSITY INCREASES THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THAT A NEW 2050 PLAN WILL BE DUE DECEMBER 31ST, 2028. 
          I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 17TH, BUT I DID LISTEN TO IT. 
          IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT PART OF THE MOUSSA EXTENSION AND INCREASING DENSITY HERE WOULD NOT HELP MEET THE 2040 OR THE 2050 REQUIREMENTS. 
          ACCORDING TO ONO'S COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE ONO POPULATION HAS GROWN LESS THAN 1% EACH OF THE LAST THREE DECADES. 
          ONO'S INTENTIONAL GOVERNANCE IN THE 1970S CHANGED THE ZONING GUIDELINES TO PREVENT EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN THE CITY, CAPPING THE ULTIMATE POTENTIAL POPULATION TO BE NO GREATER THAN 10,000. 
          THIS LOW DENSITY IS WHY PEOPLE MOVE TO ONO. 
          THE POPULATION DATA FROM THE 2020 CENSUS WAS 8,315. 
          >> MY CONCERN IS THAT IF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS REZONED, THIS WILL ACCELERATE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE OLD HIGHWAY 12 CORRIDOR, A ROAD HEAVILY USED BY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DRIVING TO AND FROM SCHOOL AND ACTIVITIES. 
          ADDING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TRAFFIC TO A TWO LANE HIGHWAY IS FRIGHTENING FOR ANY PARENT. 
          I SAY THAT AS THE MOTHER OF TWO RECENTLY GRADUATED ORONO STUDENTS, WHO SPENT YEARS ON THAT ROAD. 
          MY HOPE IS THAT THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY MIGHT CONSIDER HOW THEY COULD LEAVE THEIR LEGACY IN ORONO. 
          RATHER THAN THE CITY REZONING BECAUSE OF A HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE ACTION BY THE MET COUNCIL. 
          ONCE THIS LAND IS REZONED, WE CANNOT RETURN IT TO THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER THAT DEFINES ORONO. 
          MY OWN CHILDREN HAVE GROWN AND MOVED ON, BUT I WANT TO DO MY PART TO PRESERVE ORONO, JUST AS MY DEAR FRIEND BILL LURTON DID FOR ALL OF US WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. OTHERS. 
          >> HI. I'M HEIDI COLE. 
          I LIVE AT 3145 JAMESTOWN ROAD, NEXT DOOR TO STACY. 
          I DID ATTEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND IT WAS VERY LATE AT THAT POINT. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD OR WOULD NOT MEET 2040 OR 2050 PLANS AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE LAKE WEST DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HIGHWAY 112, 
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AND WHO WAS PAYING FOR THE SEWER LINE, AND IT WAS 11:00 BY THEN. 
          I THINK NOBODY WAS VERY CLEAR ON ANYTHING. 
          MY CONCERN IS VERY SIMILAR TO STACY'S. 
          WE MOVED OUT TO JAMESTOWN ROAD ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. 
          THE REAL ESTATE AGENT WE TALKED TO WAS ALL THE LOTS ARE TWO PLUS ACRES. 
          IT'S GREAT, AND WE HAD COME FROM NORTHFIELD, WHERE YOU COULD WALK ANYWHERE. 
          THIS WAS PERFECT BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK ACROSS THE LAKE. 
          YOU CAN SEE DUCKS, SWANS, PICK SOMETHING. 
          WE HAD A HAWK PICK UP A CHIPMUNK OFF OUR DRIVEWAY, ACTUALLY. 
          THAT WAS COOL, BUT THE CONCERN WITH THE INCREASED ZONING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THAT IT'S WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING IS RIGHT WHERE THE SWANS NEST. 
          THE ROAD LIKE STACY WAS SAYING, CANNOT REALLY SUPPORT 52 MORE CARS. 
          THIS IS THE 26 UNIT DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          THE WAY IT IS NOW, THERE COULD MAYBE BE FOUR LARGER HOUSES ON THERE, BUT EVEN SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAND WOULD BE LIKE. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS ORONO BUILDING CODES ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THE ZONING IS MEANT TO STAY THE SAME. 
          IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGED FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. 
          I THINK THAT IS, AGAIN, TO PREVENT THE BIG URBANIZATION SPIRAL THAT CAN HAPPEN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OUT THERE. 
          IT WOULD JUST LOSE ITS RURAL CHARACTER ALTOGETHER. 
          THE ONE THING ALSO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WHO WOULD WANT TO MOVE OUT HERE. 
          I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER IS AIMING AT AN EMPTY NESTOR COMMUNITY WHERE IT'S THERE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE ALL CAN BE FRIENDLY WITH EACH OTHER AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW THESE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT USED TO LIVE ON LAKE MINNETONKA, OR NEAR THERE, AND ORONO AND LONG LAKE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THE SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THOSE PLACES, AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES LOOK NICE. 
          THE PLAN IS NICE, IT'S PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THEY'RE USED TO, AND, WE HAVE TO DRIVE EVERY PLACE, BASICALLY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          THE OTHER BIG THING IS JUST THE IMPACT ON THE LOCAL ECOLOGY THERE. 
          IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT THERE NOW, YOU WOULD SEE IT'S ON A MIGRATORY PATHWAY. 
          THERE'S LIKE ANY NUMBER OF SPECIES OF DUCTS, THERE'S BUNCHES OF SWANS. 
          THERE'S RAPTORS, THERE'S EVERYTHING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          IT IS PART OF THE LAKE MINNEHAHA OR THE MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED, AND SOMEONE ELSE HERE IS GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S VERY CLEAN LAKE. 
          IT'S JUST VERY CALMING. 
          TO SEE 26 MORE HOUSES GO UP ACROSS THERE IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO THINK ABOUT. 
          IT WON'T BE CALM ANYMORE. IT WON'T BE QUIET. 
          IT WON'T BE DARK ANYMORE. 
          THEN ANOTHER THING THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TALKING ABOUT, AS WELL, WHAT ELSE COULD BE BUILT THERE. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT AND SOMEONE MENTIONED, OH, MAYBE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT THAT GOT DEALT WITH ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, THAT HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH IT, OR MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOME BIG HOUSES. 
          BUT IN SOME WAYS, THAT MIGHT BE PREFERABLE IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTED TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAND THERE IS LIKE. 
          IF YOU READ THE HISTORICAL PAGE ON THE SUSAN LEERT AND DOG PARK SITE, THEY TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S REALLY ROCKY AND FERAL OF SNAPPING TURTLE EGGS, WHICH WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SNAPPING TURTLE EGGS IN OUR YARD, ACTUALLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SUITABLE BUILDING OR NOT. 
          BUT IN SUMMARY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T REALLY ADD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT LESSENS THE NATURAL AND RELAXING CHARACTER THAT IT HAS NOW AND REALLY LESSENS THE VALUE OF EXISTING HOUSING. 
          IT IS CONTRARY TO ORONO'S STATED LAND USE POLICY OF URBAN VERSUS RURAL ZONING AND PROTECTION OF LAKES AND WATERS. 
          IT'S AN ENDANGERMENT TO THE EXISTING ECOLOGY AND BOTH IN WATER QUALITY AND WILDLIFE. 
          IT DOES NOTHING TO ADDRESS ORONO'S DENSITY ISSUES, AND A ZONING CHANGE WOULD BREAK THE IMPLIED CONTRACT THAT THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS HAVE WITH THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. 
          THEN ONE THING THAT CAME UP FROM THE MT COUNCIL PRESENTATION WAS, THERE'S A REAL CONFLICT BETWEEN CLIMATE CHANGE AND MAINTAINING TREES AND LANDSCAPE VERSUS INCREASING DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK HIGH DENSITY HOUSING ISN'T THE ANSWER TO TAKING A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES DOWN. 
          THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          >> THANK YOU. OTHERS? 
          >> HELLO. MY NAME IS CHARLES COLE, 
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AND I LIVE AT 3145 JAMESTOWN ROAD. 
          I ALSO HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON LA 2544, THE BARBARA LUPIA DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT I'M FOCUSING MORE ON THE EFFECT THIS WOULD HAVE ON THE LAKE ECOLOGY. 
          CURRENTLY, LAKE CLAWSON IS A VERY HEALTHY LAKE, ESPECIALLY BY THE STANDARDS OF OTHER LAKES IN THE GENERAL REGION. 
          THE DNR SCORES WATER HEALTH ON SOME DIFFERENT SCORES FROM 0-100, BASED ON THE QUALITY OF DIFFERENT LAKES IN MINNESOTA. 
          LAKE CLAWSON HAS A HEALTH SCORE OF 65. 
          IN CONTRAST, LONG LAKE'S HEALTH SCORE IS 40, BELSFIELD LAKE IS SURROUNDED BY A NATURAL AREA, AND YET ITS HEALTH SCORES LOWER AT JUST 55. 
          LAKE MINNETONKA, INTO WHICH ALL THREE OF THESE LAKES DRAIN ONLY HAS A SCORE OF 60. 
          ANOTHER SCORE IS THE HYDROLOGY SCORE, WHICH BASICALLY MAKE SURE THAT A LAKE IS GETTING THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENT SEDIMENT AND WATER. 
          LAKE CLAWSON'S HYDROLOGY SCORE IS 92. 
          LONG LAKES IS 77. 
          WOLSFELD LAKES IS 69, AND MINNETONKA IS ALSO 69, ALSO, THE DNR GAVE LETTER GRADES TO THESE FOUR LAKES BASED ON DIFFERENT FACTORS OF THEIR OVERALL QUALITY AND VITALITY. 
          LAKE CLAWSON GOT A GRADE OF B. 
          LONG LAKES WAS D+, WOLSFELD LAKES AND MINNETONKA, WERE BOTH C+. 
          THE REASON THAT I TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THESE LAKES IS BECAUSE ONE OVER A THIRD OF THE WATER THAT FLOWS INTO LAKE MINNETONKA FLOWS THROUGH ORONO. 
          ORONO IT HAS MORE TOWN AREA BORDERING LAKE MINNETONKA, THAN ANY OTHER CITY OR TOWN IN THE REGION, AND IT IS VERY CONNECTED, AND OUR LAKES IN ORONO ARE AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF LAKE MINNETONKA. 
          THE QUALITY OF THIS WATER SUPPORTS A LOT OF WILDLIFE, MISS OAKTON. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. 
          INCLUDING SWANS. 
          NOW, THESE SWANS APPEAR IN THE LAKE EVERY YEAR. 
          THIS IS FROM OUR WINDOW. 
          YOU CAN JUST LOOK OUT AND THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. ALSO DIFFERENT MIGRATORY BIRDS AND MUSK RATS ALSO UTILIZE THE PLANTS NEAR WHERE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE AS BUILDING MATERIALS FOR NESTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A BALD EAGLE, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO SEE FROM IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          MANY PREDATORS LIKE DIFFERENT RAPTORS, AND ALSO MUSK RATS WILL EAT THE FISH AND STUFF THAT'S IN THE LAKE, AND DEVELOPMENTS ALWAYS IMPACT LOCAL ECOLOGIES, AND IT WOULD CHANGE THE ECOLOGY OF LAKE CLAWSON, AND THAT WOULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL. 
          THIS AREA IS USED BY LOTS OF PEOPLE, LIKE THE ORONO PUBLIC SCHOOL HAS AS NATURE AREA THERE FOR OBSERVING THE WETLANDS. 
          IN CONCLUSION, I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT THIS RESOURCE GOING INTO THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TOM SAWYER. 
          I LIVE AT 3405 COUNTY ROAD 6. 
          MY HOME IS RIGHT ON THE SHORELINE OF LAKE CLAWSON, AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 28 YEARS. 
          I HAVE SOME HISTORY WITH THE AREA. 
          I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN OPPOSITION OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY. 
          I'M SURE EVERYBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF LAND OR UNIQUE PROPERTY. 
          WELL, THIS I'LL BE VERY BRIEF ABOUT IT. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES LAKE CLAWSON FROM BAKER PARK AND THE PRESERVE IS COUNTY ROAD 6. 
          THAT REALLY WAS ORIGINALLY ALL THE SAME PROPERTY UNTIL WE PUT THE ROAD THROUGH. 
          I LOOK AT IT AS AN EXTENSION OF THAT. 
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IT'S UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED ON LAKE CLAWSON IN TERMS OF SHORELINE. 
          RIGHT NOW I'M NEXT TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT HONEY HILL, BUT THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY VARIANCES, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR REZONING, AND I SUPPORTED THEIR APPLICATION. 
          I'M NOT ANTI DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS ON THE SHORE OF LAKE CLAWSON, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN IN TERMS OF THE GUIDE PLAN RURAL, LIKE ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND THE LAKE ARE RURAL, THAT THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR CHANGING THIS ZONING. 
          IT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED. 
          THEY COULD PUT IN SOME VERY NICE HOMES THERE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. NOBODY'S ANTI DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S WANTING TO PUT THIS A DENSE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM AROUND LAKE CLAWSON, AND IT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WITH THAT DENSITY. 
          I'D BE OPEN TO HEARING A JUSTIFICATION FOR REZONING. 
          I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE OTHER THAN THE COMMON ECONOMIC ONE, BUT, THE ECONOMICS OF THIS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU PUT THERE, BECAUSE IT'S ON LAKE CLAWSON, IS GOING TO DO WELL. 
          THEY'LL SELL, AND THERE WILL BE A PROFIT MADE. 
          WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER IS PUT THERE UNTIL WE'RE GONE. 
          THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE, SKEPTICAL AT THIS TIME OF ANY REASON OR JUSTIFICATION FOR CHANGING THE ZONING. 
          THERE ARE JUST TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS. 
          ONE, THE PROPOSAL INVOLVED A OBSERVATION DECK. 
          THAT'S JUST INSULTING BECAUSE NOBODY AROUND THE LAKE CAN HAVE A DOCK. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MULTI HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WANTING AN OBSERVATION DECK. 
          THAT WOULD BE A NON STARTER. 
          THE IDEA THAT IT WILL APPEAL TO EMPTY NESTERS, I THINK WE NEED A CRITICAL EYE TO THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSING IN AND OF ITSELF, WOULD BE APPEALING, BUT IT'S NOT IN A SETTING THAT'S GOING TO BE APPEALING. 
          EMPTY NESTERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WOULD LIKE SOME SERVICES, WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND WALK AROUND OR HAVE SOME WALKING PATHS OR A CENTER TO GO HAVE COFFEE WITH OUR FRIENDS, BUT WITH THIS, YOU GOT TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE. 
          THAT'S NOT GOING TO WASH WITH SOME FOLKS. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. 
          I THINK THE HOMES AS PROPOSED WOULD BE APPEALING TO NON SENIOR CITIZENS. 
          THEY'RE NICE HOMES ON A WONDERFUL LOT. 
          ASSUMING THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE QUIET, EMPTY NESTERS UP THERE IS ILLOGICAL TO BE. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO I GUESS IT'S ITEM 9 THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          [9. Casco Cove Rehabilitation - Award]
LET'S TAKE THAT AHEAD OF ITEM 14. 
          CASCO COVE REHABILITATION AWARD. 
          MISS BENSON, I BELIEVE YOU PULLED THAT? 
          >> YES. ADAM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S DOCUMENTS THAT YOU COULD PULL UP OR MAP OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          >> LIKE A MAP? 
          >> YES, OF THE AREA THERE. 
          THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE WORK TO BE DONE? 
          >> AM I RIGHT THAT THERE'S FLOODING IN THAT AREA, AND THIS WETLAND IS BEING ESSENTIALLY NOT RECONFIGURED, BUT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, ENHANCED OR REDONE. 
          >> BUT RESTORED, MAYBE? 
          >> RESTORED. MY QUESTIONS ARE, I SAW THE MAPS, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF I UNDERSTAND EITHER DISEASE DEAD OR DYING UNHEALTHY TREES IN THAT AREA. 
          ARE ANY OF THE TREES GOING TO BE REPLACED? 
          >> NO. 
          >> BECAUSE SUBMERGED. 
          >> YEP. WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAR THE VOLUNTEER TREES THAT HAVE GROWN WITHIN THE WETLAND AND OPEN UP THE CANOPY SO WE GET THE LIGHT, SO THAT WE PUT THE WETLAND VEGETATION DOWN, 
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THAT WETLAND VEGETATION CAN GROW AND THRIVE. 
          THE TREE IS TO THE OUTSIDE OF AND OUT OF THE ACTUAL WETLAND AND STORM BASIN AREA. 
          >> WHO IS GOING TO BE COORDINATING? IS IT THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING THE TREE REMOVAL THAT'S GOING TO BE REVEGETATING? 
          >> CORRECT. THEY HAVEN'T COME TO DO THEIR PRE-CON WITH US YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T AWARDED IT, BUT WE'LL DO A PRE-CON WITH THEM ONCE WE HAVE A WORD TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT IN-HOUSE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SUBCONTRACTOR DO IT, THE EXACT NATURE OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THE CONTRACT. 
          >> WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ONE THEN. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE CONTRACT. 
          MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE REVEGETATION PROCESS AND OUR EXTRA EFFORTS THIS YEAR TO BE MINDFUL OF THE PLEDGE THAT WE'VE MADE TOWARDS POLLINATOR SUPPORT. 
          I AM WONDERING IF, AS PART OF THIS CONTRACT, THEY CAN LOOK INTO REVEGETATING WITH NATIVE APPROPRIATE PLANTS, AND I'M SURE THEY'RE DOING THAT ALREADY, BUT SOME THAT ALSO WILL SATISFY POTENTIALLY SOME OF OUR ACTION ITEMS TOWARDS THE MONARCH, BEING THAT THEY ARE POLLINATOR SPECIFIC. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN A WETLAND AREA. 
          >> YES. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PROPORTIONS. 
          THIS WETLAND MIX DOES HAVE POLLINATOR. 
          I KNOW IT HAS A MILKWEED. 
          SORRY. COMMON MILKWEED, I KNOW, IS IN THERE BECAUSE WE LOOKED AFTER THE LAST DISCUSSION AT THE OTHER SITE. 
          THIS IS A DIFFERENT MIX THAN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR CANOBIE POND. 
          THIS IS A WETLAND POND-SPECIFIC MIX FROM BOWSER FROM THE BUREAU OF WATER RESOURCES. 
          IT'S ALL NATIVE WETLAND SPECIES, BUT THERE IS A MIX OF POLLINATOR AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF VEGETATION IN THERE. 
          >> I ASSUME THAT THAT'S STANDARD, WHAT THEY WOULD PUT IN THAT AREA? 
          >> YES. 
          >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD BE DOING TO AMEND THAT AND DO BETTER THAN STANDARD IN TERMS OF THE POLLINATOR-SPECIFIC PLANTINGS? 
          >> WE COULD ASK THEM TO ADJUST THE PERCENTAGES ON SOME OF THE POLLINATOR VARIETIES. 
          I'D WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH AN EXPERT WHO KNOWS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN IMBALANCE IN THE VARIOUS SPECIES AND SEEDS THAT WE WOULD PUT DOWN THERE AND CAUSE A PROBLEM LATER ON. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. 
          >> CERTAINLY. ALL OF THOSE SEED MIXES THEY HAVE A SPECIFICATION, AND MOST OF THEM THEN HAVE BANDS OF PERCENTAGE OF SPECIES A AND SPECIES B, AND SPECIES X, AND THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THOSE, DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR VECTOR WHO GIVES YOU THE SEEDS, SO CERTAINLY, WE COULD, AS AN EXAMPLE, SAY, AND I'M MAKING UP THE NUMBER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT SAY IT'S A 2% COMMON MILKWEED. 
          WE COULD SAY, CAN YOU TAKE THAT TO THREE OR 4% OR SOME ALTERATION. 
          >> I'D APPRECIATE THAT. BECAUSE I DID LOOK UP THE ACTION ITEMS, AND ONE OF THOSE IS SPECIFIC TO MUNICIPAL PLANTINGS AND PRACTICES AROUND THAT. THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THAT ONE. 
          WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION, SEE HERE. 
          EXCEPT THE QUOTE FOR TREE STORY INC FOR $18,198 AND APPROVED CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT QUOTE FROM BOLTON AND MC FOR A FEE NOT TO EXCEED $3,400. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I GUESS I HAD ONE QUESTION, JUST ON THE WE'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION PIPE REPLACEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT, AND LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ALLOCATED ABOUT ANOTHER $105,000. 
          WE EXPECT THAT TO COME IN WITHIN THAT 105,000? 
          >> YES. WE DID DIVIDE THIS OVERALL PROJECT INTO TWO SUB-PROJECTS. 
          ONE FOCUSED ON THE WETLAND AREA, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW. 
          THE SECOND IS ON THE OUTLET STRUCTURE AND THE PIPES THAT GO FROM THE WETLAND, THEN TO LAKE MINNETONKA, WHICH IS SEPARATE, AND WE SEPARATED BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT SPECIALTY. 
          WE THOUGHT WE'D GET BETTER BIDS, AND ALSO THE TIMINGS ON WHEN WE WANT TO DO THOSE TWO PIECES, THE PROJECT ARE DIFFERENT. 
          THAT DESIGN IS BEING FINALIZED NOW, AND WE SHOULD BE BRINGING THAT PROBABLY THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY. 
          OR TO BRING SOME COIL TO. 
          >> IF THAT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, CAME IN TWICE, WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO, WE AREN'T WASTING MONEY ON THE FIRST PART OF THIS. 
          >> NO. THE FIRST PART NEEDS TO BE DONE REGARDLESS. 
          >> GOT IT. 
          >> WHEN DOES THIS PROJECT TAKE PLACE? 
          >> AS SOON AS WE AWARD, THEN WE'LL SET A MEETING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO PUT A DETAILED TIMELINE TOGETHER. 
          BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANTED TO GET THIS ONE EARLY IS 
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THE TREE CONTRACTOR MAY WANT TO DO AT LEAST THE TREE REMOVAL PORTION ONCE THE GROUND FREEZES, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT TEARING UP AS MUCH OF THE GROUND AS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE TREES OUT. 
          IT COULD BE ANY TIME. 
          I'M GUESSING THEY'LL WANT TO WAIT TILL THE GROUND FREEZES, AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK WHEN THE GROUND THAWS TO THEN DO THE SEEDINGS, AND THE PLANTINGS, AND ALL THAT PORTION OF IT. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION TO THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 14, 
          [14. Navarre Water Treatment Plant Improvements (22-022) - Award]
WHICH IS THE NAVARRE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IMPROVEMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE THIS GOES BACK TO MR. EDWARDS. 
          >> I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE IT AND SAY THAT MR. GOMAN HAS BEEN THE LEAD ON THIS PARTICULAR INITIATIVE. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL. 
          BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE THE AWARD FOR THE NAVARRE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          OTTER CONTROL CENTER, WHICH IS THE BACKBONE OF WHAT CONTROLS THE PUMPS AND THE CHEMICAL FEED EQUIPMENT. 
          IT'S ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING FROM 1971, WHEN THE BUILDING CAME ONLINE AND STARTED SUPPLYING WATER TO THE SOUTH NAVARRE AREA. 
          IT'S HAD A BUNCH OF OVERTIME, SOME MINOR CHANGES, AND ALL THAT. 
          BACK IN 2022, WE HAD A FAILURE OF THE CONTROL SYSTEM, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PARTS TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT. 
          IT'S NO LONGER SUPPORTED. 
          I HAVE SOME PHOTOS THAT ADAM CAN PULL UP. 
          ONE OF THE TEMPORARY QUICK FIXES THAT WE DID WAS WE ENDED UP HAVING TO REPLACE ONE OF THE COMPONENTS TO THE TUNE OF EXCESS OF ABOUT $10,000 TEMPORARY BAND-AID, BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING BIGGER. 
          WE DID GO OUT AND GET PROPOSALS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE PROPOSALS CAME IN HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED, SO WE BROUGHT IT BACK AND LOOKED AT A MORE LARGER PROJECT. 
          IT SHOULD BE ADAM, A COUPLE OF THEM, THAT'S SAY MCC. THERE WE GO. 
          THE PICTURE ON YOUR RIGHT IS THE CONTROLLER THAT SUPPORTS THE HIGH SURFACE PUMPS. 
          THEN THE PHOTO HE JUST PULLED UP SHOWS SOME OF THE CORROSION, SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT SUFFER FROM BEING IN THE CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT, THE CHLORINE, AND THE GASES THAT ARE INSIDE THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. 
          JUST AS A COMPARISON, IF THAT WATER PLANT WAS BUILT TODAY, THOSE CHEMICAL AREAS WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE ELECTRICAL OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ELECTRICALS. 
          THERE'S ONE MORE PHOTO IN THERE, ADAM, THAT SHOWS THE REPLACEMENT PIECE THAT WE PUT IN. 
          IT SHOULD SAY MCC3, I BELIEVE. ADVISORY. ONE MORE. 
          I'VE GOT A WHOLE SERIES OF THEM IN THERE, SO. THERE WE GO. 
          THAT ORIGINAL PHOTO MCC2, AND THEN THIS IS THE TEMPORARY BAND-AID THAT WE PUT IN. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT IT TAKES UP, AND IT EXPOSED EVEN MORE OF THE AREA TO THE CHLORINE GAS AND THE OTHER CHEMICALS IN THE BUILDING. 
          WE BROUGHT IT BACK. 
          IT WAS PART OF A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE INTRODUCED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS IN STAGES OF DESIGN AND WORKING WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER, BOLTON MINK, TO LOOK AT IT AS A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, SO WE'RE NOT JUST PUTTING MORE BAND AIDS ON. 
          ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IN THIS IS ANOTHER PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE FILTER SYSTEM. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE ALTERNATE NUMBER 1 THAT SHOWS; THERE IT IS. 
          IT SHOWS A LOT OF CORROSION. 
          ORIGINALLY, THAT UPPER PIECE THAT IS BLACK AND WHITE THERE WAS AN OBSERVATION WINDOW TO THE FILTER. 
          THAT HAS SINCE NOW SEEN ITS BETTER DAY. 
          THAT IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING, AND THE FILTER WOULD BE CLEANED UP, 
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AND ALL THAT DEBRIS AND ALL THAT ON THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THAT WINDOW WOULD ALL GO BACK TO THE NATURAL BLUE COLOR OR THE PAINTED BLUE COLOR. 
          THIS IS JUST A COUPLE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS OF BAND AIDS AND CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND HOPING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME MINOR FIXES AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY, BASED ON THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE ATMOSPHERE THAT IS IN, IT'S SEEN ITS BETTER DAYS AND EXCEEDED ITS LIFESPAN. 
          I'LL STAND FOR SOME QUESTIONS. QUESTION. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE REPLACE THE ELECTRICAL, YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT IF THIS WAS BUILT TODAY, THE ELECTRICAL WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE CHEMICALS. 
          >> THERE WOULD BE SEPARATE ROOMS, MORE SEPARATE ROOMS, SO THINGS WOULD BE ISOLATED. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THE COMPONENTS AND STUFF THAT ARE ALL IN ONE COMBINED AREA, AND THEY'RE EXPOSED. 
          THIS WILL BUY US SOME TIME. 
          THE SYSTEM WAS PUT IN IN 1971, SO WE'RE 40, 50 YEARS INTO IT. 
          WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BRING WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FROM MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. 
          WE'RE EXPERIENCING SOME AS THE SOUTHERN COUNTY METRO IS WITH PFOS, AND MINNETONKA BEACH IS BUILDING A NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT WITH THEIR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT'S BEEN IN THE PAPER. WE DON'T HAVE IT CURRENTLY. 
          IT'S SIMILAR TO ASH TREES. WHAT'S NEXT? AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, IT COULD BE 10, 15, 20 YEARS. 
          WE SEE A POTENTIAL THAT AN EXPANSION OF THIS WATER TREATMENT FACILITY, AND WE DID EXPLORE THAT DURING SOME OF THE DESIGN WORK OF TRYING TO MOVE SOME OF THE STUFF OUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THEN. 
          WITHOUT TRYING TO DO SOME MORE BAND AIDS AND TEMPORARY, WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THAT TO SEE WHAT THE BRINGS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          >> MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, ARE WE DOING ANYTHING TO TRY TO SEPARATE THE NEW ELECTRICAL FROM A CHEMICAL AREA? CAN THEY BUILD A TEMPORARY OR A WALL OR SOMETHING TO PROTECT THE ELECTRICAL LITTLE? 
          >> THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY IS A LITTLE MORE SOLID STATE, AND THE CONTROL PANELS AND ALL THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE AIR-TIGHT WITH GASKETS AND THAT THING. 
          ONCE THAT SYSTEM IS BREACHED OR OPENED UP, THAT'S WHERE THE GASES START COMING IN. 
          WE ALSO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CHEMICAL ASPECTS OF IT, NOT TO GET INTO THE GRITTY ON IT, BUT SOME OF THE CHLORINE AND ONE OF THE OTHER PHOTOS IS SOME OF THE OTHER CHEMICAL PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE REPLACING THOSE. 
          WITH THAT, TIGHTENING UP SOME OF THE HOSES AND SOME OF THE SUPPLY TUBES AND ALL THAT, LEACH SOME OF THAT CHEMICAL OUT. 
          IT'S NOT A KEY RAW, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          AS I STATED EARLIER, WITH OTHER CITIES THAT ARE EXPERIENCING MOUND AND MINNETONKA BEACH, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES. 
          BUT IT'S PROVIDING US SOME TIME. 
          >> THE SCARY THING IS, THIS WOULD BE RIGHT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO WATER TREATMENT. 
          >> YES, INDEED. 
          >> THE MATERIALS THAT WE GOT INDICATED THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY EXPECTED TO COST 727,000. 
          IT'S COMING IN QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. 
          CORRECT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IS DUE TO ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL SCOPE OF WORK. 
          WHAT WAS THAT THAT WAS ADDED TO WHAT WE ANTICIPATED TO HAVE? 
          >> PART OF THAT WAS THOSE ALTERNATES. 
          THAT DOESN'T ADD A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT ADDS MONEY TO THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          THERE IS SOME LONG LEAD TIMES ON SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS. 
          WE EXPERIENCED IT BACK IN 2022, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO THIS AS A SMALLER PROJECT. 
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WE'VE GOT EXTENDED LEAD TIMES. 
          SOME OF THAT CARRIES OVER INTO 2026. 
          THE CONTRACTORS HAVE HAD TO TRY TO FACTOR IN SOME OF THAT PRICING. 
          IT FALLS IN LINE WITH OTHER BID PROJECTS AS THE ENGINEERS HAVE REVIEWED THE BIDS, BUT IT IS COMING IN HIGHER. 
          AS WE SAY, WE'LL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IN THE FUTURE WITH OTHER PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE ROAD IN THE WATER SYSTEM, BUT AS THINGS DELAY AND PROJECTS GET BIGGER, THE COSTS. 
          >> IT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO REPLACE IT. 
          >> TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE. 
          IT IS UNIQUE. 
          IT'S A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. 
          IT'S A WATER SYSTEM. 
          HAS SPECIALIZED COMPONENTS, SPECIALIZED HEARTS AND ALL THAT. 
          YOU JUST CAN'T GO TO HOME DEPOT AND BUY THE STUFF OFF THE SHELF AND PUT IT IN. 
          >> THE QUESTIONS? ANYBODY WANT TO CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? 
          >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE OR AWARD THIS BID TO LAKE HEAD CONSTRUCTORS FOR $791150, WHICH INCLUDES ALTERNATES ONE AND THREE, AS WELL AS PROPOSAL FROM BOLTON MANK FOR CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES $54,500. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. 
          >> MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, MR. GOWEN. 
          >> NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE 3220 WISE BOULEVARD WEST SKETCH PLAN. 
          [15. LA25-000044, Scott England o/b/o Barbara Lupient, 3220 Wayzata Blvd W, Sketch Plan]
ITEM 15 ON THE AGENDA. IT IS OPEN. 
          >> YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS AN APPLICATION TO REQUEST COMMENT REGARDING A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE COUNCIL IS ASKED TO PROVIDE NO BINDING FEEDBACK TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          THIS IS AN INFORMAL SKETCH PLAN PROCESS WITH YOUR FEEDBACK, THEN THEY CAN DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH FORMAL APPLICATIONS OR REDESIGNS OR NO LONGER MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. 
          THIS IS NON-BINDING FEEDBACK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FROM YOUR ACTION. 
          IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, THE PROPOSAL IS THE PROPERTY. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT IS FOR A PROPERTY WITHIN THE RR ONE B ZONING DISTRICT GUIDED FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE PARCEL IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE MUSA AND IS NOT CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR SANITARY SEWER SERVICES. 
          THE PARCEL IS LOCATED ON LAKE CLAWSON, WHICH IS A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT LAKE AND REQUIRES 150 FOOT LAKE SHORE SETBACK FROM ALL STRUCTURES. 
          BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS A TWO ACRES WITH 200 FEET OF WIDTH MEASURED AT THE 150 FOOT SETBACK. 
          THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS FOR A 26 DETACHED TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE PROPOSED HOMES WILL BE SINGLE STORY WITH 2-3 CAR GARAGES, A VIEWING PLATFORM, AND A LARGE CONSERVATION EASEMENT SURROUNDING THE LAKE. 
          THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS ANNOTATED IN THE DARK GREEN ON THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THE PROJECT, AS PROPOSED, WOULD REQUIRE AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BOTH FOR A MUSA EXPANSION AND TO RE-GUIDE THE LAND USE. 
          THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL REQUIRES A MINIMUM DENSITY OF THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR THE CITY FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MUSA. 
          AS YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THE UPCOMING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, THE 2050 PLAN WILL REQUIRE 3.5 UNITS PER ACRE FOR PROPERTY WITHIN THE MUSA. 
          LOOKING AT THE DENSITY OF THIS PROPERTY, IF YOU WERE TO EXTEND THE MUSA AND PUT THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE MUSA BOUNDARY. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ROUGHLY 14 GROSS ACRES OF LAND. 
          THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING A LARGE CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 4.5 ACRES IN AREA. 
          THE CONSERVATION AREA CAN ONLY BE SUBTRACTED FROM THE DEVELOPABLE LAND FOR THE DENSITY CALCULATION IF THAT AREA IS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. 
          IF THE CONSERVATION AREA IS REMOVED, AND AN ADJACENT LAND THE REMAINING LAND WOULD BE ABOUT 8.5 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE LAND FOLLOWING THE NET DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. 
          FOR A 26 UNIT PROJECT ON 8.5 ACRES OF LAND, THIS WOULD RESULT IN AN ESTIMATED NET DENSITY OF 3.1 UNITS PER ACRE, SO MEETING THE 2040 STANDARD. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THAT DENSITY OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE, BUT AS PROPOSED, THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD MEET THE 2040, 
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BUT WOULD NOT MEET THE 2050. 
          TOUCHING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE CPLAN TALKS AT LENGTH ABOUT THE RURAL CHARACTER OF ONO AND THE PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES. 
          NOTING THAT THE DELINEATION OF URBAN AND RURAL AREAS ARE FIXED. 
          PART OF THE CITY'S SOLUTION TO RETAIN ITS RURAL CHARACTER IS TO PLACE HIGHER DENSITIES AT APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS IN THE CITY, SUCH AS NAVAR. 
          THE COUNCIL SHOULD DETERMINE TONIGHT IF THIS SITE IS APPROPRIATE FOR AN URBAN DENSITY DESIGNATION, WHICH IS ANYTHING GREATER THAN ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES. 
          IF SO, COUNCIL SHOULD DISCUSS IF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF DENSITY. 
          IN OUR 2040 COMP PLAN, WE DO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS WHEN CONSIDERING MUSA EXPANSIONS. 
          THERE'S SIX DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, I BELIEVE, SO WITH UNDERSTANDING THIS PROJECT AT THE SKETCH PLAN LEVEL, THEY MEET TWO OF THE PRIORITIES, WHICH IS PROPERTIES THAT ABOUT A SHORELINE OF A LAKE, AND THEN NEW DEVELOPMENT USING SOME CLUSTER OR PERMANENT PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE. 
          SOME PRIORITIES ARE MET UNDER THIS CURRENT DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SUPPORT A MUSA EXPANSION. 
          ZONING, AS WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, ONO DOES NOT HAVE A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          WE ACHIEVE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THROUGH SPECIALTY ZONING LIKE OUR RPUDS AND PUD CLASSIFICATIONS. 
          THE RPUD ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT NO PROPERTY WITHIN 250 FEET OF THE ORDINARY HIGH WATER LEVEL OF A PROTECTED WATER IS TO BE REZONED AS RPUD. 
          THAT LEADS US TO USING THE TOOL OF A PUD ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS A UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICT IN THAT IT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN THE BAR AREA OR ON HIGHWAY 12 CORRIDOR. 
          WE DO BELIEVE THIS MEETS IN THE SCOPE OF THE HIGHWAY 12 CORRIDOR, BUT THERE ARE STANDARDS ABOUT CLUSTERING AS PART OF THAT TOOL. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO FURTHER ANALYSIS OF THE ZONING. 
          FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET WERE LETTERS OF PUBLIC COMMENT E MAILED EARLIER TONIGHT WERE, I BELIEVE TWO MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THAT'S EXHIBITS J AND K ON YOUR DIGITAL PACKET. 
          THEN AT LATER IN THE AFTERNOON, I RECEIVED THREE MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE PRINTED AND PUT IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THE APPLICANT ALSO HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON NOVEMBER 5TH, AND THEY SUBMITTED SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS FROM THAT MEETING. 
          A SKETCH PLAN IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE COUNCIL MAY RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE MEETING. 
          JUST A SUMMARY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THE COMMISSION REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND POSED QUESTIONS ABOUT DESIGN, DENSITY, TRAFFIC IMPACTS, MARKETING OF THE HOMES, AND HOA MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          THE COMMISSION NOTED THAT THERE IS NO CURRENT GUIDANCE IN PLACE THAT REQUIRES AN EXPANSION OF THE MUSA BOUNDARY. 
          THE REQUEST IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE DEVELOPER. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE FUTURE DEMAND OF HOUSING IN ONO AND TALKED THROUGH THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF ALLOWING A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE. 
          ONE KEY ELEMENT OF THE SITE PLAN IS THE REQUIREMENT OF A GOVERNMENT AGENCY FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          THE COMMISSION RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE CITY TAKING OVER MANAGEMENT OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND ENCOURAGED THE DEVELOPER TO SEEK OTHER GOVERNMENT PARTNERS. 
          OVERALL, THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK WAS SPLIT. 
          SOME COMMISSIONERS WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, NOTING THAT THE DESIGN AND THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WOULD BENEFIT THE LAKE AND PROVIDE A HOUSING STYLE THAT'S IN DEMAND FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          OTHER COMMISSIONERS REMARKED THAT THE LOCATION MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR URBAN DENSITY AND SUPPORTED MAINTAINING THE EXISTING RURAL CLASSIFICATION. 
          IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, I HAVE POSED SOME QUESTIONS. 
          I HAVE MAPS FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT REALLY THE COUNCIL SHOULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF THE MUSA. 
          IF THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE URBAN DENSITY CLASSIFICATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, AND THEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THE GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT OF THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          THEY ARE LOOKING FOR JUST DIRECTION, SO NO MOTION IS NECESSARY, BUT THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT AS WELL. THANK YOU. 
          >> WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO THE PODIUM IF THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. 
          >> THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS, COUNCIL. 
          MIKE WALDO WITH RON CLARK CONSTRUCTION. I APOLOGIZE. 
          I APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE RANKS TO BASKETBALL AND HAVE CAUGHT SOMETHING HERE. 
          I AM SUCKING ON A COUGH DROP, TRYING TO KEEP FROM COUGHING FOR. 
          HOPEFULLY I CAN PRESENT THIS IN A REASONABLE WAY FOR YOU. 
          RON CLARK CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN AROUND 50 YEARS. 
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WE'VE FOLLOWED UP THROUGH THE BABY BOOMERS WHERE WE DID A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME, AND THEN GRADUALLY CAME INTO MORE OF THE ASSOCIATION MAINTAINED PRODUCT, WHICH WAS WHAT THIS IS, WHICH IS A EMPTY NESTER DETACHED VILLA, ANYWHERE 36-40 FT WIDE, USUALLY AROUND 1,800-2000 FEET ON THE MAIN FLOOR WITH THE WALKOUT LOWER LEVEL IS THE PREFERENCE. 
          IT IS REALLY CLEARLY DESIGNED AS A SINGLE FAMILY, AND IT IS VERY MUCH EMPTY NEST OR DRIVEN. 
          WE DO NOT AGE RESTRICT THEM, BUT IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WE'VE DONE ACROSS THE TWIN CITIES, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, EVEN HERE, I WOULD EXPECT WE'D HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MAYBE WANT TO GET OFF THE BIG HOUSE AND HAVE A KID THAT'S MAYBE A JUNIOR SENIOR THAT WOULD STAY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT EVERYONE ELSE WOULD BE WHERE THE KIDS HAVE EVOLVED AWAY. 
          ONE OF THE BIG KEYS WITH THAT, IS MANY ONO RESIDENTS HAVE RAISED THEIR FAMILIES HERE AND WOULD PREFER TO STAY HERE. 
          IN ONO DURING RETIREMENT, AND DO NOT CONSIDER AS OLD ENOUGH FOR A CONDO OR MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK, A COUPLE OF COUNSELOR, THE PLANING COMMISSION SAID, WELL, GO THAT DIRECTION. 
          WE'VE FOUND WHEN WE'VE BUILT CONDOS, TOWN HOMES, AND VILLAS IN THE SAME AREA. 
          IT'S THE VILLAS ARE THE ONES THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE. 
          ALL OF US THAT ARE IN THE MID 60S, LIKE I AM, WE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE'RE MAYBE OLDER THAN WE SHOULD BE. 
          MOST IMPORTANTLY, PROBABLY, IS THEY WANT TO BE NEAR THEIR GRAND KIDS. 
          I THINK OF THE PEOPLE WE HAVE BUILT FOR IN THE LAST PROBABLY FIVE YEARS, I'D SAY 70% OF THEM MADE THEIR DECISION BASED ON THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEIR GRAND KIDS WERE INVOLVED IN OR CLOSE BY. 
          I'M GOING TO HAVE QUICK TIM QUICK. 
          I WAS OUR ARCHITECT WITH WHITEN ASSOCIATES TO QUICK TALK WITH SITE PLAN PERSPECTIVES, AND I'LL JUMP IN AND HIT A BUNCH OF THE DETAILS STUFF. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. 
          TIM WHITTEN ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS MINTONKA. 
          IF YOU BRING UP THAT SITE PLAN WITH THE RENDERED SITE PLAN. 
          THAT WORKS. THANK YOU. THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE ALONG MYNA BOULEVARD. 
          THEN IT SLOPES DOWN THE LAKE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE EDGE. 
          OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO DESIGN PRODUCT THAT ADAPTS TO THE EXISTING SITE GRADES AS OPPOSED TO FORCING A PRODUCT INTO A SITE WITH MASSIVE GRADING. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WE HAVE 26 VILLA HOMES. 
          THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY 40 FOOT WIDE AND ABOUT 80 FOOT DEEP. 
          THEY ARE ONE LEVEL WALKOUTS ALONG THE PERIMETER ALONG THE LAKE, AND AGAIN, ADJUSTING TO THE EXISTING GRADES. 
          THEN THE UNITS THAT ARE FACING TO THE SOUTH ARE TUCKED INTO THE HILL BASED AGAIN TO THE GRADES BUT THE DESIGN IS THAT THE OWNER'S LEVEL IS ALL ON ONE LEVEL. 
          THE LIVING DINING, KITCHEN, OWNER SUITE, EVERYTHING IS ON ONE LEVEL, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR GUESTS BEDROOM AND FAMILY ROOMS DOWNSTAIRS IN EACH CASE. 
          OF THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 3,000-3,500 SQUARE FEET, AND THEY ALL INCLUDE OVER-SIZED, TWO CAR GARAGES. 
          AS IS SHOWN IN THE PLAN, WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO PARKING SPOTS ON EACH DRIVEWAY ON THE SITE. 
          IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE. 
          FILLER HOMES ARE AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE FOR EMPTY NESTERS, ACTIVE ADULTS. 
          MANY OF THEM LOCAL. 
          THE ADVANTAGE OF A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND NO MAINTENANCE IS QUITE CLEAR. 
          THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS ON THE PROPERTY TO ONE TO THE WEST WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE TO AN EXISTING ACCESS RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM AN EXISTING ACCESS TO THE SOUTH. 
          ON THE EAST END. 
          IT'S ALSO IN LINE WITH AN EXISTING ACCESS. 
          THERE'S ONE IN THE CENTER RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO AVOID THAT IN THIS PROPOSAL. 
          IT'S AN EFFICIENT SINGLE LOOP ROD THAT GIVES ACCESS TO ALL THE VILLA HOMES. 
          THERE'S AROUND 20 FOOT SPACING IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE HOMES. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, AS IT FANS OUT, THAT SPACING ACTUALLY INCREASES THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE LAKE. 
          >> WE ARE CONSIDERING A PASSIVE TYPE LOOKOUT ALONG THE LAKE. 
          BECAUSE OF THE STEEP GRADES AND THE WOODED AREA, 
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THERE'S REALLY NOT AN EASY ACCESS FOR ANYBODY TO GET TO THE SHORELINE, SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IN THIS DESIGN. 
          WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH BACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBOR MEETING. 
          IF IT GOES AWAY OR GETS SMALLER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE FINE WITH. 
          ACTUALLY, THE NEXT SLIDE MIGHT BE BETTER. THANK YOU, GALARA. 
          THERE'S 100 FOOT APPROXIMATELY, A CONSERVATION AREA, EXCUSE ME, ALL ALONG THE SHORELINE, THAT PROTECTS ALL THE EXISTING TREES IN THAT AREA. 
          WE ALSO HAVE 150 FOOT SETBACK OF EACH OF THE VILLAS FROM THAT SHORELINE. 
          THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION AREA RIGHT ALONG WAYZATA BOULEVARD. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS SHOWS THE TREE SURVEY THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED ON THE SITE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE SHORE, IT'S HEAVILY WOODED. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BLOW UP SHOWING JUST A FOCUS AREA, WHERE YOU CAN SHOW HOW THE VILLA HOMES FAN OUT AND ALONG THE SHORELINE, THE SPACING BETWEEN THE HOMES HAS INCREASED. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE LOW PROFILE, ONE STORY OVER WALKOUT LEVELS. 
          IT JUST SHOWS HOW THAT SPACING INCREASES ALONG THE SHORELINE. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS SHOWING WHERE THE EXISTING TREES, WE ACTUALLY TOOK FROM THE SURVEY AND THE SIZE OF TREES AND ACTUALLY PLACED THEM IN THIS EXHIBIT. 
          SOMEONE ELSE IN OUR OFFICE CAN DO ALL THAT, NOT ME. 
          THEN THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS PERSPECTIVES FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANGLES FROM ACROSS THE LAKE, ONE FROM THE NORTHEAST, ONE FROM THE NORTHWEST. 
          AGAIN, IT SHOWS THE PROFILE OF THE HOMES AND THE ELEVATION. 
          THE ARCHITECTURE IS WHAT WE CALL TRANSITIONAL, THE PLAN TO BE. 
          IT'S GOT TRADITIONAL FORMS, BUT IT'S GOT SOME UPDATED CONTEMPORARY ELEMENTS TO IT. 
          THERE'S A VARIETY OF EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AVAILABLE FOR THE HOMES, AND WITH A VARIETY OF MATERIALS AND COLORS, ALONG WITH SOME OF THE HOMES HAVE FRONT LOG GARAGES, SOME HAVE SIDE LOG GARAGES, VIRTUALLY EVERY VILLA HOME WILL BE UNIQUE. 
          IT'S PLANNED ALSO THAT IT'S FOUR SIDED ARCHITECTURE, MEANING THAT WHATEVER WE PUT ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME CONTINUES ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S AS ATTRACTIVE FROM THE REAR AS IT IS FROM THE FRONT. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL BRING MIKE BACK UP. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANKS, TIM. I WILL TRY TO NOT BE SUPER LONG WITH IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS TO APPROACH HERE, AND I THINK THAT WE WANT TO BE VERY DETAILED ON THAT. 
          I THINK FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING PERSPECTIVE, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALSO SEEN IN THE LETTERS FROM THEM, WE WANTED TO REACH OUT, MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. 
          THERE WAS ONLY A FEW RESIDENTS ABLE TO ATTEND SO I THINK YOU'VE SEEN ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, NONE OF WHICH, I GUESS, HAVING DONE THIS FOR 40 YEARS, IS NOTHING SURPRISING. 
          EVERYONE WOULD LOVE IT TO BE THE SAME AND CONTINUE TO BE A QUASI PARK FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          LIGHTING WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS, AND IN MOST CASES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE RESTRICT THE FLOOD LIGHTS IN THE BACKYARDS, WHICH REALLY WOULD BE THE ONE DRAMATIC EFFECT OF SOMEONE POTENTIALLY BEING ACROSS A LAKE SEEING THAT SO WE NORMALLY RESTRICT THOSE. 
          AGAIN, A LOT OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM AS A QUESTION, AND AGAIN, LOOKING FOR THAT FEEDBACK BOTH FROM YOU AND THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THEN AS WE WOULD COME FORWARD WITH A FINAL PLAN, ALL THAT WOULD BE CAST IN WRITING AND BE PUT TOGETHER WITHIN THE HOA DOCUMENTS AND WITHIN THE APPROVALS WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING WE'VE REPRESENTED HAPPENS. 
          ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WITH US IS WE DO OUR OWN DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING SO PRETTY MUCH FOR THE NEXT, FIVE YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES TO GET THIS THROUGH THE PROJECT AND GET IT BUILT, YOU HAVE ME NUMBERS. 
          I USUALLY GIVE MY FELLOW CELL PHONE NUMBER TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I'LL GET A CALL IF SOMEBODY STARTS WORKING AT 6:45 INSTEAD OF 7:00. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE BRING ALONG WITH THE 50 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE QUALITY IS JUST WE'RE A ONE STOP SHOP SO WHAT WE TELL YOU TODAY IS GOING TO GET DONE IS GOING TO GET DONE BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES OUT THERE SUPERVISING IT. 
          WE'RE NOT BUYING A LOT, SELLING THEM TO A BUILDER, AND THEN WALKING AWAY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS, WAS ONE OF THE LETTERS TALKED ABOUT 
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THE WETLANDS AND THAT WE WERE BUILDING IN THE WETLANDS. 
          WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY WETLANDS. 
          THE WETLAND EDGE AND THE LAKE EDGE HAVE BOTH BEEN REVIEWED. 
          IF YOU GO BACK TO LIKE SLIDE 3. 
          AGAIN, WE PROBABLY WENT FARTHER ON SOME OF THE BACKUP INFORMATION ON THIS FOR A SKETCH THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO FOR A SKETCH PLAT. 
          BUT THERE ARE JUST SOME CRITICAL FACTORS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD BEFORE WE CAME FORWARD WITH YOU. 
          WHERE IS THAT DNR APPROVED LAKE EDGE ORDINARY HIGH WATER LEVEL, AND WHERE IS THE ACTUAL WET LAND EDGE? NORMALLY, YOUR WET LANDS HAD IF ANYWHERE FROM A 35 TO A 75 FOOT SETBACK IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THE LAKE THERE, WE HAVE 150 FOOT. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SETBACK THERE BASED ON THE LAKE MORE THAN YOU WOULD JUST FOR A WETLAND EDGE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE DO HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS IN PLACE AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IF WE DO THE CONSERVATION, WE THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER CITIES. 
          WE'VE WORKED WITH THE MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED BEFORE. 
          NEIL DID REACH OUT TO THEM, HE'S WORKING WITH US AND TALKED TO THEIR DIRECTOR. 
          HE SAID, YEAH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MANY OF THESE, THEY DO IN OTHER AREAS. 
          THEY'VE GOT THE RESOURCES AND THE EXPERIENCE TO MONITOR THEM. 
          WHEREAS, IN A SMALLER CITY LIKE ONO, IT MAY NOT BE WHERE YOU MAY NOT HAVE A SPECIALIST ON STAFF TO DO THAT LIKE MINNETONKA OR SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT. 
          I THINK THE WATERSHED WILL BE A GREAT OPTION. 
          AS A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID HERE, ALL THE SLIDES YOU SEE ABOUT THE ECOLOGICAL, YOU SAW ABOUT THE WILDLIFE, THAT'S THE SAME REASON WE WANT TO BE HERE. 
          WE'RE NOT COMING IN HERE LOOKING FOR A SITUATION OF TAKING THAT CONSERVATION AREA AND NOT PERFORMING IT IN A WAY THAT KEEPS THAT WILDLIFE HERE. 
          IF YOU GO TO MINNETONKA, AND THE COUPLE OF SITES WE'VE DONE THERE, IF YOU GO LOOK ON ANDERSON LAKE AND EDEN PRAIRIE, AND THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS, WE ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE ECOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AROUND US BECAUSE IT'S THE PREFERRED AREAS. 
          WE WORK THROUGH WITH THE WATERSHED, WITH THE BOWSER, MAKING SURE THE RIGHT PLANT MIX IS IN THERE, SO WE'RE DOING NATIVE PLANTS. 
          WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE HOA IS NOT USING ANY EITHER TOO MUCH WATER, SO WE'RE DOING THE ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS. WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE USING THE RIGHT FERTILIZERS, THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE, THE WATER QUALITY GOING INTO THE WATER LAKE OFF OF OUR PROPERTY IS CLEANER THAN IT WAS BEFORE. 
          IF ANY OF YOU HAVE DEALT WITH THE WATERSHED, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING IT ON A COUPLE OF YEARS SITES RIGHT NOW, THAT IS ONE OF THE KEYS. 
          IF WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS 20 YEARS AGO, THE STANDARDS WERE HERE. 
          NOW THE STANDARDS ARE UP HERE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE USED TO MEETING WITH, AND WE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE BUYING JUST LIKE THE EXISTING RESIDENTS ARE. 
          TRAFFIC ON WAYZATA, AGAIN, AS WE KNOW WITH DEVELOPMENTS, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS THE CONCERN WITH 26 EMPTY NESTER PRODUCT. 
          YOUR TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE VERY LOW. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING FOUR BEDROOM AND FIVE BEDROOMS HOMES, WE'RE TALKING A THREE BEDROOM HOME. 
          EVEN IF THERE IS A COUPLE OF KIDS LIVING THERE TO GO FINISHING UP A SCHOOL, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HUNDREDS OF TRIP PER DAY. 
          AS PART OF OUR FINAL PROJECT, WE WILL BRING FORWARD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SHOWING HERE'S WHAT THE CURRENT COUNTS ARE ON WAYZATA BOULEVARD. 
          HERE IT WILL BE WHEN THE SOUTH GETS ADDED, AND HERE'S WHAT OUR EFFECT WOULD BE. 
          WHAT WE ALWAYS FIND CONSISTENTLY IS IT'S MICROSCOPIC. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON WAYZATA, ADDING ANOTHER AS WE SAID 50-100 CARS A DAY. 
          THE OTHER ADVANTAGE TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE EMPTY NESTERS, WE DON'T OPERATE IN DOTTY AT THE PEAK. 
          USE IN THE AFTERNOON OR IN THE MORNING. 
          IT'S PROBABLY, I'D SAY ABOUT HALF OF OUR PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING, AND A LOT OF THOSE, UNFORTUNATELY, AS ALL OF US HAVE DONE WITH COVID, PEOPLE WORK FROM A HOME A LOT MORE, WHICH IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE. 
          CAN WE JUMP TO PROBABLY ABOUT 15, 16? A LITTLE MORE. 
          LET'S STOP HERE. ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT REALLY HAS BEEN HAD ABOUT IS THE COMP PLAN AND THE MUSA. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT MUSA EXTENSIONS WITHIN ONO IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NORMALLY DO ONLY WHEN FORCED BY THE MET COUNCIL. 
          ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES, I THINK, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN A LOT OF CASES IS THAT THERE'S TIMES TO DO THEM WHEN IT MAKES SENSE. 
          AS WE LOOK AT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING IS THAT THE AREA AROUND THAT LAKE IS ALL RURAL. 
          RURAL IS JUST THAT VERY LITTLE CORNER ON THE LEFT RIGHT NOW AND OUR SIDE. 
          WE JUST HAD FIVE MORE, SIX MORE LOTS BEING IN THERE IS IT HUNTER HILLS? 
          >> HONEY HILL NORTH WALLS. 
          >> THANK YOU. WE'RE SEEING HOUSES IN THERE THAT ARE 6, 07, 8,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          I SAW THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS ONE. 
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IT'S MONSTROUS. 
          YES, OUR PROJECT COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH 6-7 LOTS BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE THE 200 FEET AT THE 150 WORK FOR I THINK SEVEN LOTS, AND WE MIGHT BE RESTRICTED TO SIX BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ABOUT 13.3 ACRES. 
          BUT THE EFFECT ON THAT, BOTH VISUALLY AND SIZE WISE IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE DRAMATIC THAN OUR RANCH HOUSES WOULD BE. 
          THE OTHER THING, TOO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE, AND I'LL JUMP TO THOSE IN THE NEXT PAGE, IS AREAS WHERE THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO FAIL. 
          THE REASON THAT THAT WHOLE UPPER SECTION OF THE OTHER SIDE OF A LAKE IS URBAN IS BECAUSE SOME DAY THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO FAIL, AND THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT THAT LAKE WILL BE TO HOOK THEM UP TO SERVICES. 
          THEY ALL CURRENTLY HAVE TWO UNITS PER ACRE ZONING ON THE URBAN, WAS IT LOW RURAL URBAN? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT CODE IS. 
          >> IT'S URBAN STATE DEN [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A RANGE. 
          >> THEY ALL CAN TAKE THEIRS THAT RIGHT NOW IS ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES AND FLIP IT TO TWO UNITS PER ONE ACRE. 
          I THINK THAT IS PART OF IT. 
          THE MUSA ACTUALLY DOES EXTEND THROUGH MOST OF LAKE CLAWSON RIGHT NOW COMPARATIVELY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIGH DENSITY BELOW, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PIPES RUNNING RIGHT DOWN WAS AT A BOULEVARD RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR ENTRANCE. 
          WHEN WE HAVE THAT, WE GO BACK TO CAN WE STEP TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE? WE GO TO WHAT ARE THE COMPLEMENTS. 
          THE FOLLOWING SUMMARIZES A 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS WHEN CONSIDERING MUSA. 
          WHEN A LANDOWNER COMES FORWARD AND SAID, I'D LIKE TO BRING MY HOME INTO MUSA, THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT WERE SET AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN AS TO WHEN THOSE SHOULD BE DONE. 
          VERY FIRST ONE, PROPERTIES THAT ABOUT THE SHORELINE OF LAKE MINNETONKA, AND ALL OTHER ORONO LAKES. 
          PROPERTIES THAT ABUT CITY PROTECTED AREAS AND SHORELAND OVERLAY DISTRICTS, NEW DEVELOPMENT TO DES CLUSTERING, WHICH I BELIEVE OURS DOES, AND WE GOT TO WORK THROUGH WITH STAFF TO SEE IF WHAT WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY DOES CLUSTER. 
          THERE ALREADY IS A PROCEDURE WITHIN THAT COMP PLAN THAT DOES THAT. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I DIDN'T WRITE ON HERE IS AREAS THAT HAVE WHAT'S NUMBER 3, WASN'T THAT THE THREE, THE ONE THAT SAYS FAILING SYSTEMS? 
          >> WE HAVE TO LOOK. 
          >> BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY ADD URBAN DISTRICT, AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY RURAL IS FOR THOSE AREAS, SO WE CAN LET STAFF COMMENT HERE ON THAT. 
          CAN WE JUMP BACK TO THE OTHER ONE THEN, PLEASE? I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE EXPANSION HISTORY RIGHT NOW, KIND OF WENT BACK. 
          WHEN YOU SEE 29, 32, AND 33, THOSE WERE ALL BACK IN '98 AND 2000, SO ABOUT 20 SOME YEARS AGO, AND THEN RECENTLY IN 2010, THE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH OF US WAS 50, THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE URBAN DISTRICT AT I THINK, 8-16 UNITS THE ACRE, SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS FROM US. 
          FOR US TO LOOK AT HAVING JUST AN EXTENSION OF THAT MUSA INTO AN AREA NOW THAT PROTECTS IT FROM SIX MORE OR SEVEN MORE WELLS AND SEPTICS PRIVATE AND PUTS IT UNDER URBAN SERVICES, WE THINK IS A POSITIVE. 
          THE OTHER THING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY IS, AND I HATE TO SAY PLAY THE GAME, BUT THERE IS THE GAME THERE WITH THE MET COUNCIL TO SAY THE MET COUNCIL WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE AT THREE NOW AND IN FUTURE 3.5, BUT THEY ALLOW CONSERVATION NEEDS AND IT TO BE REDUCED. 
          THEY'RE ELIMINATED. HERE, WE'VE GOT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN 100-120 FEET AROUND THE LAKE TO CREATE A CONSERVATION AREA. 
          IF YOU SAY, WE'D RATHER HAVE YOU MEET 3.5 THAN 3.1. 
          IN 2050, WE'RE ALREADY COVERED FOR THAT. 
          WE CAN EASILY ADJUST AND ADD A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATION AREA TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          WE THINK THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE FACTORS. 
          IN THE END, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND I KNOW PLANNING COMMISSIONER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN 10, 20 YEARS WHEN THE MET COUNCIL KEEPS PUSHING IN 2060 PLAN, IT'S FOUR PER ACRE, IT'S 4.5 AND YOU'VE GOT URBAN SERVICES HERE. 
          IT COULD VERY POSSIBLY BE APARTMENT. 
          I THINK THE REALITY IS, FOR US, IS WE'RE SAYING, WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IN THE FUTURE COULD BE DEVELOPED SOME OTHER WAY OR NOT. 
          WE THINK THAT WITH THE MUSA, NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL WETLANDS OR ADDITIONAL EXCUSE ME, SEPTIC SYSTEMS IS THE KEY TO HOW THIS FLOWS. 
          THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT PROTECTS BOTH THE CITY, THE LAKE, AND THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. 
          LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE HAVE I MISSED HERE. 
          I TEND NOT TO GO OFF MY ROPES. 
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AGAIN, FROM A INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, DEPENDING UPON WHEN THE PIPE GETS BROUGHT TO THE SOUTH, WE WOULD PAY OUR PRORATA SHARE SO THE TWO COMPONENTS OF THIS, WOULD BE VALUABLE IS NO CUT OF POCKET FOR THE CITY, BUT IT ACTUALLY MAY ALLOW, AT SOME POINT TO GET THE AREA TO THE SOUTH DEVELOPED SWICKER, BECAUSE WE WOULD PAY FOR PROBABLY A THIRD OF THAT COST ALONG WITH THE ORCHARD AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT MAY HELP HIM BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND START TO MEET SOME OF THOSE HOLES THAT THE MET COUNCIL HAS PUT OUT FOR YOU. 
          PROBABLY NOT HUGELY IMPORTANT, BUT WE'LL INCREASE THE TAX BASE BY 35-40 MILLION, AS WE LOOK AT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ADDING ADDITIONAL, CLOSE TO $40 MILLION TAX BASE EVERY YEAR IS A NICE THING. 
          WE JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE THEN. ONE MORE. 
          AGAIN, I THINK FROM OUR COMMENT PERSPECTIVE, I WANT TO TALK QUICK ABOUT THIS, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH TO GET AN APPROVAL. 
          THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS GETTING THROUGH THIS CATCH PLAT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FOR YOU ON THE MUSA LINE EXTENSION. 
          DO YOU SEE PLUS AS MINUS AS YES? WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THAT? WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE? WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS YOU WOULD HAVE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING THAT EXTENSION? THEN THE COMPLAINT AMENDMENT UNDER THE SAME CRITERIA. 
          I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES IN THE COMPLAINT, I BELIEVE WE MEET THEM QUITE WELL. 
          THEN EVENTUALLY, THE PUD AND PRELIMINARY PLAT IS WHERE WHAT WOULD NORMALLY HAPPEN IN SOME CASES, YOU WOULD COME IN AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO GET MUSA EXTENSION, THEN WE'LL DO A COMP PLAN, AND THEN WE DO IT. 
          BUT HERE, THE REASON YOU'RE DOING THE MUSA, IF YOU DO IT IN THE COMP PLAN IS BECAUSE OF THE FINAL PRODUCT WE'RE DELIVERING. 
          IN TALKING WITH STAFF, WE WANT TO BRING ALL FOUR OF THOSE TOGETHER THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON A MUSA LINE EXTENSION WITHOUT KNOWING, HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLOT, HERE IS THE FINAL PRODUCT, HERE'S EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO FLOW. 
          WHICH IS WHY THE IMPORTANCE FOR US IS TO GET THROUGH THE SKETCH PLOT AND TO GET THE INPUT FROM EVERYONE BECAUSE TO GET TO THAT POINT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN $100 AND 200,000, THAT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE KNOW THAT WE STILL COULD GET VOTED, NO, BUT AT LEAST WE WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED AS MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN WE'VE MADE THAT DECISION THAT IT'S TIME TO PROCEED FORWARD, BECAUSE WE DO THINK WE CAN DELIVER SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUSTIFY IT TO YOU. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE KEY PIECES. 
          >> I THINK WE CAN GET INTO THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO QUESTION. 
          I THINK IN CLOSING, I GUESS WHAT WE'VE SAID IS THAT WE FEEL THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THE SITE BOTH NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. 
          THE MET COUNCIL IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO FORCE MORE DENSITY ON CITIES. 
          I KNOW THAT TODAY THIS SITE ISN'T AFFECTED, BUT IT'D BE NAIVE TO THINK THAT IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED FOR FUTURE DENSITY IN THE FUTURE. 
          THIS IS A PROJECT THAT CAN BENEFIT THE CITY AND ITS EXISTING RESIDENTS NOW AND WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO DO A PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE BENEFITS VERSUS BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING LATER BECAUSE I'M AT COUNCIL. 
          AN EMPTY NESTOR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH 26 HOMES, A LARGE CONSERVATION AREA WE FEEL GIVES EVERYBODY THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE APPRAISAL, AND I OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, PLEASE? 
          >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. 
          >> I HAVE A COUPLE. 
          THEY'RE NOT RELATED TO THE SKETCH PLAN, PER SE, BUT MORE TO THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE HISTORICALLY AND I HAVE VISITED SOME OF THE SITES. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I NOTICED AT LEAST ON THE WEBSITE FOR YOUR COMPANY THAT YOU'VE BUILT DEVELOPMENTS IN OTHER CITIES RANGING FROM GOLDEN VALLEY TO PLYMOUTH LOCALLY, ANYWAY? 
          >> MINTAKA. 
          >> THOSE CITIES ARE RANGING IN POPULATION FROM ABOUT 20-80,000. 
          I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE BUILT ANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN ANY CITIES CLOSER TO OUR SIZE? 
          >> I WOULD SAY WE HAVEN'T, BUT IT'S MOSTLY BEEN MORE FROM AN OPPORTUNITY OF FINDING THE RIGHT PIECE OF GROUND THAT WE FELT COULD MEET THE VALUES THAT WE DO. 
          WE TEND NOT TO BE THE NATIONAL BUILDER TYPE SLIM THEM UP AS BOXES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A HIGH QUALITY AND OUR RESIDENTS HAVE CONSISTED TO SAY, THEY WANT PRIVACY AND VIEWS TO THE BACK, WHETHER THAT'S A OPEN SPACE OR A WETLAND OR A LAKE. 
          I THINK FROM A CONCERN ABOUT DEMAND. 
          WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE CITY AND IT STARTED TO BE PUBLIC, I DIDN'T GET ANY CALLS FROM THE RESIDENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW I HAD INVITED A MEETING. 
          I GOT CALLED FROM, I THINK SIX PEOPLE LOOKING TO ME, WHEN CAN WE BUILD THERE? I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE PLANING COMMISSION SAID IS THAT DEMAND WOULDN'T BE THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE, IN FACT, 
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WE'VE GOT A TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THAT BUILT IN BOTH ORONO VALLEY AND EVENTUALLY, I THINK, IN EDEN PRAIRIE AND IN LEGACY THAT WANTED TO BE OUT HERE. 
          THEY WANTED TO BE CLOSER TO WHERE THEY LIVED ORIGINALLY AND WHERE SOME OF THEIR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ARE. 
          AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WORK AS MUCH EVERY DAY OR WON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE, THEY WON'T MAY NOT BE WORTH GOING TO WORK AT ALL SO THE SERVICE AND THE PROXIMITY HERE IS LESS IMPORTANT TO THAN THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND LIKE I SAID, WHERE THEY GREW UP AND WHERE THEIR GRANDKIDS ARE. 
          >> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          HOW MANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE REQUIRED ZONING CHANGES OR COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS? 
          >> I THINK WE'VE DONE ONE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, THE MINTAKA ONE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          MINTAKA HAD A 25 ACRE SITE, WHICH THIS IS LIKE 24, BUT A BUNCH OF IT'S LIKE THAT THE SAME WAY. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAD ABOUT 16 ACRES BUILDABLE THERE, BUT THEY WANTED 120 UNITS. 
          WE DID A TOWN HOMES, WE DID VILLAS, AND WE DID CONDO BUILDING, AND SO MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT IT WAS REQUIRED A FULL COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, FULL REZONING, AND THAT HAS ABOUT A 30 ACRE WET LAND COMPLEX RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THAT WE WORK WITH THE WATERSHED AND EVERYTHING TO GET RID OF BUCKTHORN AND DO ENHANCE THAT AREA THERE NEXT TO 12 IN BARKER'S LAKE. 
          WE HAVE DONE THAT, BUT IT'S IN A LOT OF CASES, WE TEND TO LOOK FOR ONES, THAT MIGHT BE, I'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT EASIER, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXTRA STEP. 
          BUT WE FEEL THIS SITE, BOTH BECAUSE IT'S ORONO AND BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE LAKE IS WORTH TAKING THE EXTRA TIME TO GO THROUGH THOSE EXTRA STEPS. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE VIRGINIA CREEK? 
          >> YES. 
          >> WATERSHED DISTRICT BEFORE, IN TERMS OF HAVING THEM MANAGE A CONSERVATION? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE OWNED EITHER OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE, AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO RESEARCH THAT, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH THE CITY OF MINTAKA ON OUR LEGACY OAKS 1, AND I KNOW WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON ONE OTHER ONE. 
          IN MOST CASES, IF A CITY IS WILLING TO TAKE IT ON, THEY WOULD PREFER THE CITY TO BE THE FIRST LEAD, AND THEN THEY JUST WORK THROUGH THE GUIDELINES AND THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT IN TALKING TO JAMES, WHO'S THE HEAD OF THE THE WATERSHED DISTRICT. 
          HE SAID, WE'VE GOT OTHER ONES LIKE THIS, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT LEAD IF CITY STAFF AND EVERYONE WAS INVOLVED AND THEN WE WOULD BOTH GO TOGETHER WRITE THE PROVISIONS OF THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          WHERE CAN YOU TAKE DEAD TREES? WE CAN'T YOU? WHAT GRASSES DO WE WANT TO PUT BACK IN? WHERE DO WE WANT TO REINFORCE? WHAT DO WE WANT TO LEAVE COMPLETELY NATURAL? THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THE CITY STAFF TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. 
          IF THIS GOES FORWARD, WE KNOW THAT'S A CRITICAL FACTOR OF IT, AND AS SOON AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE WOULD TRY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND GO TO THAT BEFORE WE WOULD EVEN START ANYTHING RELATED TO A FULL BLOWN APPLICATION FOR SURE. 
          >> ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I WOULD HAVE, I GUESS, IS WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING A 3.5-1 ACRE DENSITY REQUIREMENT, AND THE WAY THAT THIS IS SKETCHED DOESN'T GET US THERE, SO IT ACTUALLY MAKES OUR SITUATION WORSE BUT AT LEAST FOR THE SHORT-TERM. 
          WHAT PLANS DO YOU HAVE? HOW COULD YOU ALTER THIS TO MAKE IT A 3.5? 
          >> WE WOULD PROBABLY MAKE AND THE 100 FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT OUT TO PROBABLY 120. 
          WE'D LIKE TO LEAVE RESIDENTS WITH ABOUT A 20-30 FOOT BACK YARD BECAUSE ANY LESS THAN THAT, IT ENCOURAGES THEM TO NOT BE AS PERFECT AS THEY SHOULD BE. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'VE GOT WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS ABOUT A 50 FOOT INCREMENT, AND SO WE CAN TAKE ABOUT 30. 
          WE COULD TAKE IT UP TO 120 FROM THE WATER, AND WE GET UP TO ABOUT NINE ACRES AND SO WE WOULD JUST ADJUST THAT BASED ON THE 26 AND JUST FIGURE, WE NEED TO GET TO 3.5, SO WE COULD KEEP YOU WITH 3.5 AND THAT WAS A CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH STAFF EARLIER. 
          WE SAID, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT WE CAN EASILY INCREASE THAT CONSERVATION AREA. 
          WE COULD PROBABLY ADD A COUPLE MORE HOMES ON THE INSIDE CIRCLE AWAY FROM THE LAKE. 
          BUT I THINK PROBABLY THE 18 ALONG THE LAKE IS PROBABLY ALL WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BOTH FROM, SIZE WISE, WET LAND WISE, IMPACT WISE. 
          WE THINK THAT'S A NICE FIELD THERE BECAUSE THE BACKS OF THOSE LOTS ARE CLOSE TO 75 FEET WIDE FROM THE 75, THEY'RE 60 IN THE FRONT, AND THEY'RE ABOUT 85 IN THE BACK. 
          WE'RE ALREADY SEEING LARGER STUFF IN THE BACK. 
          IF WE ADDED TWO MORE HOMES, WE'D LOSE 10 FEET OUT OF THAT AND WE DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL FOR BOTH OUR RESIDENTS OR FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH CONSERVATION. 
          WE CAN EASILY GET TO 3.5. THAT ONE IS NOT A PROBLEM. 
          >> HOW HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS? 
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ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THIS, AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM IS WE'VE GOT THE SCHOOL THERE AND YOU'VE GOT THIS AS A LEARNING CENTER AND THE NATURE INVOLVED IN THE LEARNING. 
          IT PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS THERE AND TO BE IN THAT NATURAL SETTING AND TO HAVE THAT. 
          MY KIDS EXPERIENCED IT WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH ON THAT BUT HAS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN WITH THAT AND WHAT DOES, YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS, YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME LETTERS WE ARE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, PEOPLE IN SUPPORT OF OR AGAINST AND LOOKING AT IMPEDING AND DISRUPTING THAT ECOLOGIC. 
          >> I THINK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, AND AGAIN, IT'S AS I'VE SAID, BUT EVERY STATEMENT IN THOSE LETTERS AND EVERY STATEMENT WE'VE HEARD IS THE SAME WE HEAR IN ALMOST EVERY PROJECT. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS, WE KNOW WHEN WORKING WITH THE WATERSHED AND WORKING WITH THE CITY, AND BOWSER AND EVERYONE ELSE WE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT, QUALITY OF CONSERVATION EASE ME AND THE EFFECT ON THE LAKE IS ALWAYS POSITIVE. 
          I KNOW I CAN TAKE YOU TO MINTAKA, THE ONE WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP 11 LOTS, VERY SIMILAR THAT THAT'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF BUILDABLE. 
          WE DID 11 LOTS THERE ALL FANNED OUT AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE LIKE UP IN ARMS AND WE HAD FIVE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS I THINK, BY THE TIME WE GOT DONE. 
          NEVER GOT THEM HAPPY BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO BE THERE AND THAT WE OPEN OUR MODEL, AND THEY SEE THE FIRST FEW HOMES DONE, AND THEY'RE ALL COMING OVER AND VISITING JEFF. 
          IT'S LIKE THIS IS GREAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. 
          WE SEE THAT CONSTANTLY THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE DO A GOOD JOB. 
          WE PLANT MORE TREES THAN WE EVER TAKE DOWN. 
          WE MAKE SURE THAT THE WETLANDS ARE OPERATIONAL. 
          THE REASON WE ACTUALLY DID THE OVERLOOK, WHICH HAS BIT US IN THE BUTT IS BECAUSE MINTAKA, WE DID ONE THERE, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY ALLOWED. 
          THE NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE, WELL, NOW I CAN'T WALK OVER AND SEE THAT ANYMORE. 
          IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE CITY TRAIL AND A SMALL LITTLE OVERLOOK THERE, WHICH IS A DOCK SO THAT THEY CAN COME OUT THERE AND SIT AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE AND WATCH THE SWANS AND THE EAGLES AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE STILL IN THOSE TREES. 
          THEY DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. THEY KNOW THAT AREA IN THE WETLAND IS WHAT THEY DO. 
          I HAVE A CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE ALL DONE THAT I'M GONNA MAKE THEM HAPPY. 
          AM I GOING TO GET THEM ALL ON BOARD BEFORE THAT? NO. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          ANY OF US KNOW THAT WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BE IN THEIR BACK YARD, THEY'D RATHER HAVE IT PUSHED TO NAVAR OR SOMEONE ELSE. 
          IT'S THE NATURE OF ALL OF OUR WE'RE ALL LIKE THAT. 
          I GUESS THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER. 
          I KNOW THE QUALITY, AND I KNOW THE FACT THAT WE CAN WORK WITH CITIES AND WATERSHEDS AND GET A FINAL PRODUCT THAT MEETS WHAT WE SAY IT'S GOING TO MEET. 
          >> IS THE SWANS NEST THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THAT IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREA, DO YOU KNOW? 
          >> THOSE ARE ALL ON THE WATER AND THE WETLANDS. 
          I THINK AND I CAN REMEMBER IF IT'S ON, IS IT BACK IN THIS CORNER OR IS THE OTHER CORNER? ON THAT I CAN FIND THE SCHOOL. 
          I'VE SEEN A FEW MORE I THOUGHT ON THIS OTHER AREA WHERE IT'S OFF TO THE AREA TOWARDS THE DOG PARK IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, AND THERE'S MORE CATTAILS AND STUFF, WHERE THEY LIKE TO DO IT. 
          AGAIN, I THINK AS WE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T THINK THE LUBAN FAMILY IS READY TO DONATE TO THE DOG PARK, EVEN THOUGH IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, THEY DO OWN PART OF THAT SECTION OVER THERE, THAT THEY'VE JUST LET THE CITY UTILIZE. 
          THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE KICKED OVER. 
          WE WOULD END UP DEEDING THAT OVER TO THE CITY AS PART OF THAT. 
          BUT I THINK FROM A REALITY PERSPECTIVE, WE FEEL THAT A RIGHT SIZED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS PUBLIC SERVICES AND DOESN'T HAVE MORE WELLS AND SEPTICS, WE BELIEVE IS A RIGHT USE FOR IT. 
          ULTIMATELY, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION ONLY YOU CAN. 
          >> OR, WHAT'S THIS GREEN? IS THAT THE PROPERTY? 
          >> YES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS MADE UP OF BOTH OF THESE TWO PARCELS. 
          I OWNED BY THE FAMILY, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS REFERRING TO WITH A PARCEL, PART OF THE PID IS CONNECTED TO THE DOG PARK AND SO THAT WOULD BE CLEANED UP, ESSENTIALLY. THAT LAND. 
          >> YOU LITERALLY LOOK AT THAT WHOLE SQUARE THERE. 
          THE SITE IS ACTUALLY 24.2 ACRES OR SOMETHING. 
          IT ENCOMPASSES 10 ACRES, 11 ACRES OF THE LAKE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE WETLAND IN THAT CORNER UP THERE OF THE DOG PARK. 
          >> PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE TWO HOUSES THERE? 
          >> YES. 
          >> YES, CURRENTLY. 
          >> CURRENTLY, THERE IS TWO. LAPTATED HOUSES ON THERE AND WE'VE DONE OUR PHASE 1 WORK ALREADY, AND WE HAVE NO CONTAMINANTS THERE. 
          WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT WHAT OUR CLEANUP WORK TO GET THROUGH THE SHED WAS THERE AND THEN AND GET THE TWO HOUSES OFF, SO THAT ALL IS BUILT INTO WHAT WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH. 
          >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME IS, IT SEEMS LIKE WITH A LOT OF MORE EMPTY NESTOR DEVELOPMENTS, 
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AND YOU WOULD KNOW THIS A LOT BETTER THAN I, IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY WALKING DISTANCE TO OTHER AMENITIES. 
          YOU TALKED ABOUT AMENITIES. 
          WE'VE GOT SNOW REMOVAL AND TAKING CARE OF THE GRASS AND STUFF, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING, NO STORE TO WALK TO, NO COMMON AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          REALLY, THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THERE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IS BY CAR. 
          THERE'S NOT A WALKING PATH ALONG 112 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT HOW WOULD YOU DO YOU THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL? 
          >> UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S ALMOST ALL THE SITES WE'VE DONE, THE MINTAKA SITE EVEN. 
          PLYMOUTH IS UP ON VICKSBURG. 
          YOU COULD WALK, BUT IT'S PROBABLY A 1, 2, 3, 4. 
          IT'S PROBABLY FIVE BLOCKS. 
          YOU COULD WALK TO DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS YOU CAN WALK FROM OUR ANDERSON LAKE SITE TO PRAIRIE LAKES PRAIRIE CENTER DRIVE, THE MINTAKA SITE, WHICH IS WHY WE ACTUALLY HAD ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO DO MORE CONDOS ON OUR MINTAKA SITE AND THE ONE UP NEAR CARLSON TOWERS. 
          BUT IT WAS THAT SAME THING THAT CONDO BUYER, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO. 
          THE VILLA BUYER IS STILL TREATING IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND THEY DON'T MIND GETTING IN THE CAR BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO SOMETHING ANYWHERE GOING TO SEE SOMEONE AND SO WE'VE HAD ZERO PUSHBACK ABOUT WALKABILITY TO SERVICES. 
          THEY LIKE THE WALKABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO WALK TO CIRCLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR BEING ABLE TO WALK TO THE DOG PARK OR, SOME OF THAT STUFF, TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. I THINK, WHY IS THAT A BOULEVARD IS WALKABLE. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT'S COMPLETELY SAFE ALL THE TIME, BUT I M SURE THEY COULD WALK OVER TO THE DARK PARK AND TAKE A LOOP ON THAT WITHOUT ANY EFFECT. 
          IT'S REALLY MORE RECREATIONAL WALKING THAN IS MUCH OF A CONCERN FOR LIKE YOU WOULD FOR A MULTIFAMILY OR FOR A CONDO, WHERE YOU REALLY NEED THAT WALKABILITY SERVICES. 
          WHAT'S WITHIN THAT 2-3 BLOCK RANGE? 
          >> WOULD WE EXPECT CHANGES TO 112 BASED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, A TURN LANE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? 
          >> POTENTIALLY, AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU'D COORDINATE WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY, AND THEY WOULD DO AN ANALYSIS ON IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCREASE DEMAND ON THEIR ROADS AND AS PART OF THAT, THEY WOULD THEN REQUEST CHANGES BY THE DEVELOPER IF A TURN LANE IS NECESSARY OR SOME REWORKING OF THE ROAD TO ADDRESS THAT DEMAND. 
          BUT THAT WOULD COME FROM HENNEPIN COUNTY AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION. 
          >> IS THERE ANYTHING I THOUGHT LAKE WEST HAD A TURN AS PART OF THERE, IS READY? 
          >> LAKE WEST WENT THROUGH THAT EIGHT YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE. 
          WHEN THEY WERE PROPOSING A HIGH DENSITY RENT, I THINK IT WAS APARTMENTS IN THE BACK OR CONDOS IN THE BACK, AND THEN TOWN HOMES IN THE FRONT. 
          HENNEPIN COUNTY DID REQUEST A TURN LANE AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS SINCE EXPIRED. 
          WHEN THEY DECIDE TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE, THAT ANALYSIS WOULD NEED TO BE REDONE. 
          I WILL NOTE THAT WAS ALSO QUITE A MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT THAN THIS ONE WITH I THINK, OVER 100 UNITS ON THAT LAND ON THE SOUTH. 
          I CAN GO BACK AND CONFIRM LOST. 
          >> WE WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE A TURN LANE ADDED TO AT LEAST THE WESTBOUND LANE PROBABLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET OFF, SO IT DOESN'T IMPEDE TRAFFIC OTHER WAY, AND THEN PROBABLY THE EASTBOUND WOULD BE IN COMBINATION WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, BASED ON BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. 
          WE WOULD NOT BE SHOCKED TO SEE THAT. 
          I THINK AND FOR US, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE AS WE'RE COMING FROM THE EAST GOING WEST THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN TURN IN AND NOT BE AFFECTED BY TRAFFIC CROSSING AND WE WOULD END UP PAYING THAT AS PART OF OUR ORIGINAL WORK. 
          >> WITH DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN KICKING OUT THE CONCEPT OF EMPTY NESTERS. 
          DO YOU ANTICIPATE OR HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED AS YOU DEVELOP THESE OTHER PROPERTIES? THEY WOULD BE EMPTY NESTERS HALF THE TIME, EMPTY NESTERS DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, GOING DOWN TO ANOTHER POTENTIAL RESIDENTS THEY HAVE. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED. 
          IF YOU HAVE 26 UNITS, IS IT 26 OCCUPIED HOMES FOR 12 MONTHS A YEAR OR IS IT? 
          >> I WOULD SAY THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY FOR SURE IS THE ANSWER THAT'S ZERO. 
          TO ANSWER THAT, I WOULD SAY A THIRD MAY NOT EVEN BE RESIDENTS OF MINNESOTA. 
          PROBABLY ANOTHER THIRD ARE GOING TO BE SOUTH OR NORTH ANYWHERE FOR 2-4 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. 
          THE OTHER THIRD PROBABLY JUST GONE ON VACATION, 06, 8 WEEKS A YEAR, BUT MAYBE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PLACE. 
          THAT'D BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER ONES WE'VE DONE IN AREAS LIKE THAT. WE LOOK AT IT. 
          IT'S A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. 
          WHAT ORONO IS, AND IT'S MORE OF A SITUATION LIKE WE WOULD EXPECT THAT SAME HERE, ABOUT A THIRD TO A THIRD AND A THIRD OF THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          >> YOU DID COMMENT THAT, YOU HAVE WITH THIS CONSERVATION AREA AROUND THE LAKE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DISTANCE IS BETWEEN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IN 
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THE DISTANCE ACROSS TO JAMESTOWN OR COUNTY ROAD SIX OR WHAT NOT. 
          BUT YOU DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS OR STANDARDS AROUND DOWN LIGHTING, AND YOU CONTROL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN YOUR DEVELOPMENTS? 
          >> YES. WE'RE BOTH. 
          AGAIN, FROM A STREET LIGHT PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD REALLY BE WHAT DOES THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ACQUIRE. 
          WE WOULD NORMALLY NOT DO STREET LIGHTS. 
          WE NORMALLY DO LIGHTS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSES ARE ON PHOTO CELLS, AND THOSE ARE ALL DOWN LIGHTS USUALLY OUT OF SOFTS, OR IF IT'S A FIXTURE, IT'S A DOWN LIGHT, SO IT LIGHTS THE FRONT YARD. 
          BUT IN THE BACKYARD, IT WOULD STRICTLY BE A DECK LIGHT THAT WOULD BE A DOWN LIGHT OR A SCREEN PORCH LIGHT, BUT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY FLOOD LIGHTS OR ANY LIGHTING THAT WOULD EXTEND PAST THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WRITE INTO THE ORDINANCE, AND WE JUST WE HAVE SECTIONS OF PARAGRAPHS WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. CAN ENFORCE THAT. 
          IF A NEIGHBOR SEES SOMEBODY WITH A FLOOD LIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL THE CITY, HE'S GOING TO CALL US, WE'RE GONNA GO GET IT FIXED. 
          THAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT PART OF THAT, BUT HOA IS PRETTY GOOD, AND WE DON'T PUT THEM IN, SO SOMEBODY'D HAVE TO GO ADD IT LATER. 
          >> HAVE YOU SKETCHED OUT PLANS FOR, IF WE DID NOT APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, SO THAT WE WERE BASICALLY REQUIRING YOU TO GO TO THE TWO-ACRE, ONE-HOUSE FOR TWO-ACRE RURAL CLASSIFICATION. 
          HAVE YOU SKETCHED OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? HAVE YOU MADE ANY PLANS ALONG THOSE LINES? 
          >> PRETTY MUCH, IF YOU TAKE EVERY 2.5 LOTS THAT YOU SEE, THERE WOULD BE A HOUSE. 
          YOU WOULD END UP WITH ONE VERSUS 2.5 ON THAT UPPER SECTION. 
          THEN PROBABLY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE AREA AWAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL DENSITY REDUCES. 
          NOBODY WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT. 
          IT WOULD STRICTLY BE THE SIXTH LOTS. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVE WELL OVER 200 FEET AT THE 150 FOR I THINK SEVEN LOTS, BUT I THINK WE MAY ONLY BE ALLOWED SIX. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THAT IT MATTERS. 
          THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE US BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO ANYMORE, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING. 
          YES. WE DID LOOK AT IT, AND WE SAID, WE SHOWED THE LANDOWNER AND SAID, HERE'S WHAT COULD BE IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE GET SIX BIG HOUSES, SIX WALLS, AND SEPTICS, AND WE GET A PRETTY MUCH RUBBER-STAMP PROJECT 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT THAT THE CITY HAS TO INPUT AT THAT POINT. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO JUST AS A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT TOO IS, THEY COULD HAVE SIX DOCKS IN. 
          I THINK EVEN THOUGH THE [INAUDIBLE] THE CITY DOES HAVE AND AS FAR AS IF THEY'VE GOT 200 FEET OR 250 FEET OF LAKE SHORE, THEY CAN DO IS IT 25% OF THAT CAN BE MOWED RIGHT DOWN THERE. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER. I GET FLIP-FLOP BETWEEN WISCONSIN RULES OR MINNESOTA RULES PLACE IN WISCONSIN. 
          >> YEAH, SO THERE'S SOME PERMISSIONS FOR LAKE ACCESS WITHIN THE LAKE SETBACK. 
          A LOT OF THE TREE MANAGEMENT IS THE FIRST 75 FEET, BUT NO CONSTRUCTION HOUSE OR ACCESSORY BUILDING OR ANYTHING IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE 150. 
          THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH PRODUCT BE DOING, BUT YOU SEE YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY TO ACTUALLY CREATE GRASS DOWN FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE WATER'S EDGE, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON ONE OF THE OTHER LAKES. 
          BUT AGAIN, HERE, AGAIN, THAT CAN BE GOOD OR BAD AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING IT IN A PROPER WAY. 
          BUT AS NEIL SAID, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS NOT A VERY POLICED SITUATION UNLESS YOU ANNOY SOMEBODY ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY CALL ON YOU. 
          AND SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S RULES, THEY TEND NOT TO BE FOLLOWED AS STRONGLY AS WHEN YOU'VE GOT A WATERSHED AND SOMEONE ELSE OVERLOOKING AND GOING OUT THERE EVERY YEAR AND EXPECTING WHY ARE YOU MOWING TWO FEET INTO YOUR CONSERVATION EASEMENT? YOU TAKE IT BACK OUT. 
          >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS I THINK A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS, I THINK IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT THAT, WELL, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A APARTMENT DWELLING THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS, AND THAT SOMEHOW THE MET COUNCIL COULD FORCE US TO PUT A APARTMENT BUILDING THERE FOR DENSITY PURPOSES. 
          THEY CAN'T DO THAT, CAN THEY? 
          >> WELL, NO. I THINK WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS LIKE, WE NOTED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A SKETCH PLAN FOR AN APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH DIDN'T END UP COMING TO FRUITION, DIDN'T END UP COMING IN FOR FORMAL APPLICATION. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES COMMENTS ABOUT RIGHT NOW UNDER THE 2040 GUIDANCE, WE ONLY REQUIRE THREE UNITS PER ACRE. 
          SO IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE TO COME THROUGH RIGHT NOW, THEY ONLY NEED TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE THREE UNITS PER ACRE OR JUST ABOVE, WHICH IS A 3.1 TODAY, BECAUSE WE WOULD REVIEW THIS APPLICATION UNDER OUR CURRENT POLICIES. 
          IF A PROJECT CAME IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET 3.5 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          IT WOULD HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY, ESSENTIALLY. 
          >> BUT THAT'S ONLY IF YOU JOIN MAKE IT PART OF THE MSA. 
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          >> THAT WAS THE OTHER ELEMENT IS THAT SOMETIMES THE COUNCIL CAN REQUEST SOME MSA EXPANSIONS DEPENDING ON INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT A LOT OF THE MSA EXPANSIONS AND REWORKING IS DRIVEN BY LOCAL DEVELOPMENT AND BY LOCAL GUIDANCE? AND SO RIGHT NOW OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS THIS GUIDED FOR RURAL. 
          WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS MAKING COMMENT ON WAS, IF WE NEED TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE DENSITY TO SATISFY OUR HIGHER STANDARDS, WOULD THIS SITE BE APPROPRIATE? SHOULD WE CONSIDER PUTTING THIS SITE INTO THE MSA? AND IF WE DO, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS DOING IT RIGHT NOW WOULD ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE THREE UNITS, BE [INAUDIBLE] OR BE LESS DEVELOPED. 
          BUT THAT GETS BACK TO THE IDEA OF IT IS AT YOUR DISCRETION ABOUT WHEN YOU FEEL IT'S NECESSARY TO EXPAND THAT MSA. 
          AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, OUR GUIDANCE DOES NOT SAY TO EXPAND THE MSA TO THIS AREA. 
          >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE FORMULAS AND THOUGHTS UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          >> YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I DO WANT TO SAY NOW THAT I SAID THAT I WENT TO ONE OF THE OTHER SITES, AND I DID SEE IT AT NIGHT, AS WELL, WHICH IS HELPFUL. 
          I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I DID WATCH THE ENTIRE PLANNING COMMISSION DELIBERATION, WHICH IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO WROTE LETTERS AND SPOKE ON THIS TODAY, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST. 
          I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT ALL SIDES HAVE BEEN HEARD HERE. 
          HERE'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          WE HAD THE LAST COMP PLAN. 
          AND IT'S VERY TIMELY ACTUALLY BECAUSE WE DID JUST HAVE A WORK SESSION ON COMP PLAN AND ALSO MET COUNCIL PRESENTATION TONIGHT, SO THAT'S GOOD, AND WE'RE IN THAT HARD SPACE. 
          SO LAST TIME WE DID THE COMP PLAN, THERE WERE OVER TWO DOZEN RESIDENTS AT THE TABLE IN TERMS OF THE COMMITTEE FORMULATED. 
          THERE WAS ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL INVOLVED. 
          THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NEARLY 40 PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THAT PLAN, AS IT WILL BE WITH THIS NEXT ONE AS WELL. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THESE TWO PARCELS THAT SIT ON LAKE C-LASSEN IS WHAT IT IS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME CLASSIFICATION NOW, AND A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THAT PLAN. 
          OUR CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSION, AND NOW OUR CITY COUNCIL, ARE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER REZONING THESE SAME TWO PARCELS TO ACCOMMODATE 26 HOMES IN AN AREA THAT THIS CITY, THIS COMP PLAN, THESE NEARLY 40 FOLKS DETERMINED SHOULD HAVE SIX. 
          SO THAT'S OVER FOUR TIMES THE DENSITY, AND IT WOULD BE AN OUTLIER ON THIS BODY OF WATER. 
          GRA, COULD YOU PULL UP MAP 3B, 3A, THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE ZONING FOR THE CITY, AND MAYBE ZOOM IN ON THAT AREA UP BY LAKE C-LASSEN. THANK YOU. 
          >> LAND USE CLASSIFICATION. 
          >> THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. 
          ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, TAKE IT OUT OF IT SO WE CAN GET A BIT MORE PERSPECTIVE HERE IN TERMS OF HOW WE ZONE THESE AREAS. 
          GREAT. THERE'S PART OF THE COMP PLAN THAT READS, LAKE C-LASSEN IS SURROUNDED BY ORCHARDS, WOODS, AND OPEN FIELDS, WITH A HANDFUL OF HOMES OVERLOOKING ITS WATERS. 
          THE ORONO SCHOOL DISTRICT MAINTAINS A NATURAL STUDY AREA AND WATERFOWL PONDS ON CLASSEN'S EAST SHORE. 
          AND C-LASSEN IS ONE OF FIVE. 
          IT'S CALLED A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT LAKE IN ORONO. THAT'S IN OUR COMP PLAN. 
          WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AROUND THIS LAKE, WHO NOT ONLY ENJOY THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THIS AREA, BUT ALSO WHO HAVE PROPERTIES THAT CONFORM, AND WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE MAP THERE THAT CONFORM TO THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING, AND THE COMP PLAN DOES TALK A LOT ABOUT OUR RURAL CHARACTER. 
          AND IT DOES ALSO NOTE THAT THE DELINEATION OF THE URBAN AREAS IS FIXED. 
          THE URBAN AND RURAL AREAS IS FIXED. 
          THE BOUNDARIES ARE FIXED, AND THAT'S IN THE PLANNING REPORT AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT WORD. 
          A PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE MSA AND THE CHANGES TO OUR ZONING AND THE COMP PLAN ARE, AS THE PLANNING REPORT INDICATED, BEING DRIVEN BY A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. 
          RATHER THAN AN ORDERLY PLANNING OF OUR CITY THAT ORIGINATES WITH OUR CITY, I THINK THAT'S NOTEWORTHY. 
          I BELIEVE JUST TO TAKE IT PULL BACK AS FIRST STEP, RATHER THAN ASKING WHETHER OR NOT THIS SKETCH PLAN IS AGREEABLE. 
          I CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I THINK IT'S THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED. 
          DEFINITELY. I THINK THE QUESTION, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FOR THE COUNCIL IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROCESS OF ENTERTAINING A ZONING CHANGE AND AMENDING THE COMP PLAN IS HOW WE WANT TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. 
          AND THAT'S AN OPEN QUESTION. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN DONE ELSEWHERE. 
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ORONO IS A UNIQUE CITY, AS ALL CITIES ARE. 
          WE'RE A SMALLER CITY, WHERE THE LAKE SHORE CITY IS, AND THIS IS A SPECIALLY SENSITIVE AREA. 
          I THINK THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER HERE IS THAT HAD WE SEEN A PROPOSAL RECENTLY, LET'S SAY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, AND NOT SUPPORTED IT, ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS NOW TO CHANGE THE ZONING THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS PROPOSAL? AND I THINK IT TO ME FEELS A BIT LIKE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WHEN IT'S BEING DRIVEN, EVEN IF IT'S THOUGHTFULLY PREPARED BY A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. 
          AND MY FINAL THOUGHT IS THAT IF IT MAKES SENSE IN THIS AREA, THEN I BELIEVE IT WILL MAKE SENSE AT THE TIME OF OUR NEXT COMP PLAN, WHICH WE'RE ALREADY STARTING IN 2026. 
          AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, I KNOW, TO THIS WHOLE COUNCIL. 
          AND I THINK THAT REZONING, LOOKING AT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, ARE REALLY NOT THE WAY THAT I WOULD WANT TO APPROACH THIS. 
          PERSONALLY, I WOULD RATHER THAT WE SEE A VERY GOOD PROCESS HERE, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL SIDES AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO WANT TO INCREASE WHERE APPROPRIATE IN THE FUTURE. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THAT'S IT. YEAH. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          >> OTHER THOUGHTS? 
          >> I'LL JUST SAY I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN BENSON. 
          I HAVE A HARD TIME MOVING THIS PROPERTY INTO THE MSA AT THIS POINT. 
          IT REALLY DOESN'T HELP US, ESPECIALLY AFTER MT COUNSEL CAME AND WE SAW THE NEW NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE FORECASTING FOR 2050. 
          ALSO VISITED THE SITE. 
          TODAY, I WENT AROUND, SAW WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES WITH THEIRS, WHICH I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH. 
          IT IS A COOL AREA AND WALKED OUT, AND THE DUCKS TOOK OFF AND STUFF. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY QUITE BEAUTIFUL. 
          I GUESS I FIND IT A VERY SPECIAL SITE. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE AROUND THERE ARE USED TO THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE A HIGH-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD REALLY BE BREAKING WITH CHARACTER. 
          I KNOW LISTENING TO ALSO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I KNOW THEY FELT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE 112 QUARTER THAT IT SEEMED NATURAL FOR IT TO BE A HIGH-DENSITY PROJECT. 
          AND I GUESS DRIVING THROUGH THERE TODAY, I DON'T SEE IT. 
          I DRIVE PAST A FEW TIMES A WEEK, AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEN THERE'S WATER AND THERE'S THE WETLANDS AND STUFF, AND IT SEEMS VERY NATURAL TO HAVE A LOWER DENSITY ON THAT SIDE AND THEN MOVE INTO THE DOG PARK, AND THE REST OF IT WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP IT MOVES INTO A VERY RURAL AREA. 
          SO TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR HIGH DENSITY. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> I'LL JUST SAY THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. AND I THINK IT WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT. 
          I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE IS I'M STILL IN I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF, AND KIND OF DIGEST SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS IN AND AROUND THE AREA. 
          I THINK PART OF IT FOR ME IS ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TO THE SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 12 AND TRYING TO CONSIDER WHAT'S TAKING PLACE THERE. 
          AND I THINK THE COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER FROM MR. SAWYER THAT SPOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS SPACE SHOULD REFLECT THE AREA AS IT IS, AND WE JUST SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WE TAKE STEPS FORWARD. 
          IT'S PRETTY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          >> AND I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, JUST GOING TO THAT POINT OF US RECLASSIFYING REZONING THIS. 
          >> AT THIS POINT, STATE, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT US GOING THROUGH A PROCESS AND COMING UP WITH. 
          WHAT WE LEARNED TONIGHT EARLIER AND WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, GREAT PRESENTATION, THOUGHTFUL AND LOOKING AT THAT, AND SHOWING THAT, AND TO YOUR POINT SOME IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THIS PROPERTY, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          IT IS GOING TO BE THAT. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING ANYTHING GOING FORWARD. 
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WE'RE HERE TO SUGGEST THINGS OR WHAT WE CAN HELP TO DO TO MAKE IT FORWARD. 
          BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO GO THROUGH ON OUR END TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT FORWARD PART, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR COMING OUT AND LETTERS WE GOT, AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO COMMUNICATE AND KEEP THAT OPEN. THANK YOU. 
          >> I GUESS I WILL JUST PUT A PUT A PERIOD ON THAT AND SAY I REALLY LIKED A LOT OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL HAS. 
          I REALLY LIKE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT ASPECT TO IT. 
          I THINK YOU WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU PREPARED THIS AND YOUR PLANS FOR IT ARE REALLY QUITE ATTRACTIVE. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK, YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM THE COUNCIL NOW THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO AMEND OUR COMP PLAN AND REZONE AT THIS POINT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE SLAMMING THE DOOR ON THIS AT ALL. 
          BUT WE DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND HOPE YOU DON'T TAKE THIS AS AN ABSOLUTE NO, BUT IT'S A NO FOR NOW. 
          I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORS. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL. 
          I TEND TO VIEW WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SKEPTICISM THE NOT IN MY BACKYARD TYPE OF COMMENTS. 
          I THOUGHT YOUR COMMENTS WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL AND WELL CONCEIVED. 
          BUT IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT READY TO REZONE AT THIS POINT. 
          I THINK THAT MESSAGE IS COMING THROUGH PRETTY CLEARLY FROM THIS COUNCIL. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. 
          WE HOPE TO BE TALKING MORE WITH YOU AS THIS MOVES AHEAD AS WE CONSIDER OUR 2050 PLAN, AND WE WILL BE THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PLANNING PROCESS FOR SURE. 
          YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. YES, SIR. 
          >> AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, DISAPPOINTED, BUT APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS, AND I THINK WE FEEL THERE'S HOPE, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, PROBABLY. 
          I NEED TO CONFIRM WITH THE FAMILY WHERE THEY ARE AT. 
          BUT I GUESS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THEN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND US TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAYBE REFINE THIS, TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT FORWARD AS PART OF YOUR COMP PLAN REVIEW, OR DO EITHER SOMEONE FROM THE FAMILY OR US NEED TO COME TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MAKE STATEMENTS AS PART OF THAT PROCESS? WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FROM THAT? 
          >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS, BUT MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS, WE WANT TO BE VERY OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PROCESS. 
          THAT IS GOING TO BE OUR NUMBER 1 GOAL AS WE DO THIS PLANNING IS TO REALLY REACH OUT AND GET AS MUCH INPUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY AS WE CAN. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          I THINK WE APPRECIATE THE LANDOWNER'S DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR THAT LAND OWNER. 
          WE WOULD VERY MUCH WELCOME INPUT IN THAT PROCESS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SPEAK FOR STAFF IN THAT REGARD OR IF YOU WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
          >> NO, I THINK A GREAT WAY IS TO INTERACT THROUGH THE COMP PLAN OPEN HOUSE PROCESS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SET UP A MEETING, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH MAYBE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL AVENUES OR UNDERSTAND A TIMELINE, MAYBE THAT YOU GUYS SCOPE OUT. 
          I'M A RESOURCE AS WELL. 
          >> I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO THE FAMILY AND DECIDE ARE THEY MOVING FORWARD WITH SIX LOTS OR DO THEY WANT TO PORTRAY THE VISION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE STEPS THAT MIGHT HOPEFULLY GET THAT APPROVED. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. IT'S NOT EVEN 11:40 TIME. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> THAT'S RIGHT. WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 16, 
          [16. LA25-000039, Text Amendments regarding Retaining Walls]
WHICH IS TEXT AMENDMENTS REGARDING RETAINING WALLS. 
          >> YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          AGAIN, IN FRONT OF YOU IS A DRAFT TEXT AMENDMENT. 
          THE CITY IS PROPOSING AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE ZONING CODE TO CLARIFY RETAINING WALL STANDARDS WITHIN THE SHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND ALLOWANCES WITHIN THE REQUIRED YARD SETBACK OF THE PERMITTED ENCROACHMENT SECTIONS OF THE CITY CODE. 
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THE CITY REGULATES RETAINING WALLS WITHIN THE REQUIRED YARD OF PERMITTED ENCROACHMENTS, AND WITHIN THE LAKE SHORE AND BLUFF AREA SETBACKS IN THE SHORE-LAND OVERLAY DISTRICT BY ADMINISTRATIVE OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. 
          EARLIER THIS SUMMER, THE COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO CLARIFY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS FOR RETAINING WALLS DURING THE CITY CODE STAFF IDENTIFIED ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO CLARIFY RETAINING WALLS WITHIN THE PERMITTED ENCROACHMENT SECTIONS. 
          >> COULD YOU GUYS MAYBE TAKE IT IN THE HALLWAY, PLEASE? [LAUGHTER] WE ARE HAVING A TOUGH TIME HEARING. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD REVIEWED THE RED LINE LANGUAGE AND GENERALLY SUPPORTED THE VARIETY OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CODE. 
          THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING REPLACEMENT REGULATIONS, AS PROPOSED THE VEGETATIVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND RETAINING WALLS WOULD TRIGGER THAT ALL DISTURBED AREAS OR IMPACTED AREAS BY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT WALLS WOULD REQUIRE A REPLACEMENT WITH NATIVE DEEP ROOTED PLANTINGS. 
          THIS STANDARD COULD PROHIBIT SOME INSTALLATION OF REPLACEMENT SOD OR LAWN GRASS IN THE CONSTRUCTION AREAS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE RETAINING WALLS. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED DRAFT LANGUAGE AT THE NOVEMBER 10TH MEETING AND PROVIDED DIRECTION TO BRING A FORMAL ORDINANCE FORWARD, AS WELL AS EXAMPLES OF WHAT A NATIVE PLANTING OR NATIVE VEGETATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, I HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF NATIVE GRASSES, TREES, AND SHRUBS PROVIDED BY THE DNR SPECIFIC TO HARDEMAN COUNTY, BUT THERE'S MUCH LARGER LIST FOR MINNESOTA NATIVE PLANTINGS. 
          I ALSO INCLUDED SOME POLLINATOR LAWN PLANT LISTS ASSOCIATED THAT CAME OUT OF METRO BLOOMS, BUT THEY WORK ALONGSIDE BOWSER, THE BOARD OF WATER AND RESOURCE. 
          THEN THROUGH THOSE LISTS, I ALSO GRABBED JUST SOME IMAGE EXAMPLES. 
          THESE ARE SEDGE GRASSES, THEY'RE FESCUES, AND THEY'RE JUST A VARIETY OF GRASSES. 
          A CREEPING RED FESCUE, A STAR SEDGE, A CHEWING FESCUE. 
          I'M NOT A BIOLOGIST, MY APOLOGIES. 
          A FESCUE MIX. 
          THIS IS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FESCUES THAT FALL INTO A MIX. 
          I DID NOT IN MY RESEARCH FROM THE UFM ON SOME OF THESE THAT A LOT OF THESE FESCUES CAN BE MOWED AS PART OF THEIR MAINTENANCE. 
          THE FESCUES THEMSELVES ARE A PLANT THAT CAN BE MOWED AND WILL COME BACK AND BE MAINTAINED, WHEREAS THESE SEDGES ARE LONG GRASSES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF THE POLLINATOR LIST, THERE'S THAT WHITE CLOVER WOULD BE AN OPTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH AND HAVE SEEN BEFORE. 
          THAT'S A RELATIVELY COMMON ONE THAT YOU SEE AROUND IN PLANTINGS. 
          BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME PULLED FROM EXAMPLES OF WHAT NATIVE PLANTINGS OR DEEP ROOT OF NATIVE PLANTINGS THAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO MAYBE A TRADITIONAL SOD IN THAT AREA, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          I DID PROVIDE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES ON LIST, JUST, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS. 
          THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND SUMMARY ORDINANCE IS PREPARED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          IF YOU'RE IN AGREEABLE TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES, YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO ADOPT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES. 
          BECAUSE I HAD THE IMAGE THAT IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE FIGURE 2 TYPE OF PLANTINGS, WHERE IT WASN'T REALLY EVEN BE WALKABLE, BUT IT'S QUITE ATTRACTIVE, ACTUALLY, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY CAN BE MOWED AS WELL. 
          >> IT CAN GET MOWED TO WHAT? THREE INCHES? OR WHATEVER THE SUGGESTION WAS. 
          >> THERE'S SOME BEST PRACTICES AND STANDARDS FOR MOWING. 
          THE FESCUE, WE CALL IT GRASS, BUT THE CATEGORY IS FESCUE GRASSES, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FESCUE, AND SOME YOU CAN HAVE LONG, WHICH I'M SHOWING AN IMAGE 1 HERE. 
          BUT IMAGE 3 I THINK IS ALSO SHOWN AS LONG. 
          I THINK THIS ONE IS SHOWN AS MORE OF A MOWED STANDARD. 
          THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS YOU CAN MAINTAIN THEM. 
          >> WILL THEY NEED TO BE WATERED TO KEEP THAT APPEARANCE, OR WILL THEY TURN BROWN IF WE GET A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF? [LAUGHTER] 
          >> THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR JOE. 
          [LAUGHTER] I THINK WITH ANYTHING, WHEN YOU FIRST PLANT SOMETHING, YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN IT AND INSTALL IT AND WATER IT TO ALLOW IT TO TAKE ROOT. 
          BUT BY THE NATURE OF BEING A NATIVE PLANTING, IT SHOULD THRIVE MORE EASILY IN THE ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT THOSE ADDITIONAL CHEMICALS OR TREATMENTS. 
          >> IT WOULD BE DEFEATING THE PURPOSE IF WE REQUIRED THIS AND THEN IT HAD TO BE WATERED EVERY DAY. 
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THAT'S TO KEEP IT ALIVE. 
          >> IT'S EVERYTHING DISTURBED. 
          I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU GO THROUGH SOMEBODY'S KENTUCKY BLUEGRASS ON THE WAY, DO WE REQUIRE THEM TO PUT A PATH? 
          >> NOT NECESSARILY. 
          WE HAVE IT AS DISTURBED AREAS OR IMPACTED AREAS WITHIN THAT YOU NEED TO RECONSTRUCT YOUR RETAINING WALLS. 
          THE IDEA OF THAT DESCRIPTION WAS MORE AROUND THE RETAINING WALL INSTALLATION. 
          BUT SOMETIMES THERE IS A LARGE CUT PATH THAT'S REQUIRED TO GET DOWN THERE, AND IF YOU CAN DRIVE OVER YOUR GRASS AND MAINTAIN YOUR GRASS, THEN THAT WOULDN'T BE AS PART OF THE DISTURBED AREAS. 
          BUT AS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT IS ANYTHING THAT IS DISTURBED WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH A NATIVE PLANTING. 
          >> THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT LENGTH AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YES. THE BEAUTY OF NATIVE PLANTINGS IS THAT THEY'RE NATURAL. 
          THEY'RE NATIVE TO THIS ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN, WHETHER IT'S HOT, HUMID SUMMERS OR REALLY COLD. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL WATER AND NITROGEN BASED CHEMICALS, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING THESE TYPES OF THINGS AT THE LAKE SHORE. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION, LAURA. 
          I FEEL LIKE THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE IN WHAT WAS IT? EXHIBIT, WAS IT D? NO. I SUMMARY PAGE. 
          >> LAST ONE. 
          >> SUMMARY PAGE. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> THAT WAS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, AND THEN THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION, AN ATTEMPT AT WRANGLING IN THEIR FEEDBACK FOR WHAT THEY DISCUSSED, SO THIS IS MEANT TO BE A SUMMARY PAGE. 
          >> YES. 
          >> BUT AS PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE AS PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THIS CURRENTLY PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT. 
          >> I SEE. 
          >> THANK YOU. I SAW THE BLUE, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LOWER BLUE BECAUSE THE RETAINING WALL THAT WE HAD THAT SPARKED PART OF THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE BOULDERS AND THAT SITE DISTURBANCE THAT WAS QUITE EXTENSIVE OVER ON THE VERY STEEP ONE. 
          THERE IT IS. THIS IS THE WORD. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE WORD MINIMUM NECESSARY BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE CRUX OF THIS ISSUE IS WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AREA NECESSARY? BECAUSE IN THAT APPLICATION, THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE. 
          WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN HERE ABOUT MINIMUM NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE INSTALLATION OF THE WALLS, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. 
          I DON'T VIEW IT PERSONALLY AS OVERLY BURDENSOME TO REQUIRE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY IS APPLYING TO BE ABLE TO DO WORK IN A SENSITIVE AREA, SO SENSITIVE, IN FACT, THAT YOU NEED RETAINING WALLS BECAUSE OF SLOPE, EITHER FAILURE OR EROSION THAT IS ON THE LAKE SHORE, THAT I DON'T FIND IT OVERLY BURDENSOME TO MOVE US IN A BETTER DIRECTION ABOUT PLANTINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THAT LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE, ADDITIONAL WATER, AND FERTILIZER. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          I KNOW THAT PLANNING HAS SOME ISSUES THAT I DON'T, AND I THINK I SUPPORT THIS AS IT IS. 
          I THINK A LOT OF HARD WORK AND DISCUSSION WENT INTO THAT, AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE, WE'VE ALL SEEN THESE BEFORE, AND I THINK IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY IN MY OPINION, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AND WE'RE GOING INTO THESE SENSITIVE AREAS WITH THESE APPLICATIONS TO NOT SET A NEW NOT OVERLY BURDENSOME PRECEDENT. 
          FOR EVERY ORNAMENTAL, THERE'S A NATIVE EQUIVALENT THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE LESS WORK. 
          I ALSO NOTICE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE THIS WAY, BUT IN OUR CODE, CURRENTLY, THE WORD, NATURAL VEGETATION COMES UP QUITE A BIT. 
          WHEN I LOOKED UP THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL VEGETATION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WRITTEN WITH THAT INTENTION, BUT IT DOES IMPLY NATIVE TO THE LANDSCAPE. 
          THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL VEGETATION. 
          MAYBE WE MEANT NOT PLASTIC VEGETATION BUT THE FACT OF MATTER IS NATURAL VEGETATION IS DEFINED AS VEGETATION THAT IS NATIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT THRIVES WITHOUT ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE OR CARE WATERING FERTILIZER. 
          I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING DISTINCTION THAT WE 
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ALREADY HAVE THOSE WORDS IN OUR CODE, AND THAT'S HOW IT'S DEFINED, SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          >> I AM, TOO FOR THOSE LONG REASONS. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> I'VE SEEN A FEW OF THESE. 
          >> YOU WEREN'T THERE. 
          >> I REMAIN A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUE YOU BROUGHT UP. 
          THAT IF THERE'S SOME AREA THAT'S DISTURBED ON THE WAY TO THE RETAINING WALL, THAT ARE WE SAYING THEY HAVE TO PUT NATIVE GRASSES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLUEGRASS LAWN THAT GOT DISTURBED ON THE WAY TO FIXING A RETAINING WALL OR PREPARED. 
          >> I REMEMBER RIGHT. THIS WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD EARLIER, WHICH WAS, I THOUGHT WE SAID YOU CAN REPLACE IT WITH WHAT'S [OVERLAPPING] THERE IN THESE OTHER AREAS YOU NEED TO CHANGE. 
          IF YOU'RE TEARING UP YOUR LAWN, THE FIRST SIX FEET OF YOUR LAWN TO GET TO THIS AREA AND IT'S BLUEGRASS OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU WERE ABLE TO I'M GOING TO FIX THAT. 
          I'M GOING TO PUT THAT BACK DOWN. 
          >> BUT WHERE THE RETAINING WALL IS WHERE YOU RIPPED UP THE GROUND? I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE PUNITIVE. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE, AND THE PLANNING TALKED ABOUT THAT TO HAVE A SWATH OF SOMETHING. 
          NOW THAT SAID, ISN'T THERE A WAY I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE DOING SITE WORK LIKE THIS, WHEN THERE IS SITE WORK, IS IT NOT DEFINED WHERE THE SITE WORK IS? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING RETAINING WALLS UP 20 FEET WHERE THE PATHWAY TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE IS. 
          >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION TO MEET THESE STANDARDS. 
          WE'LL BE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DEFINE WHERE THE SITE WORK IS. 
          THEY WILL HAVE TO INDICATE ON THE MAP WHERE THE DISTURBED AREA IS. 
          THEN IN TURN, THEY CAN ANNOTATE WHERE THE NATIVE VEGETATION IS. 
          IN TURN, THAT REGULATION THEN WOULD IDEALLY, BY THE NATURE OF THE REGULATION, WOULD THEN HOPE TO KEEP POTENTIAL CREEP PROJECT SCOPE OR CREEP FROM HAPPENING AND THAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DEFINE THE SPACE, AND THEN THEY HAVE A HIGH STANDARD FOR VEGETATION REPLACEMENT IN THAT SPACE. 
          KEEP THE PROJECT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF MINIMUM NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE WALLS. 
          >> I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT. 
          >> LAURA, IS THAT WHAT'S IN THE DRAFT? 
          >> YEAH. THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE IS THIS SORRY, THE ZOOMING IS TOUCHING ON HERE. 
          IS THIS NUMBER 4 A LANDSCAPE PLAN IS REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY VEGETATION REMOVALS IN THE LOCATION OF THE NEW OR REPLACEMENT WALLS. 
          TO ENSURE REMOVALS ARE LIMITED TO THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE INSTALLATION OF THE WALLS. 
          SUBJECT 2 SECTION 612, WHICH IS OUR VEGETATIVE CLEARING SECTION. 
          REPLACEMENT PLANTINGS MUST BE CONSISTENT OF DEEP ROOTED NATIVE VEGETATION TO PROVIDE NECESSARY SUPPORT FOR THE SLOPE, BECAUSE IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT IF YOU'RE PUTTING ROTATING WALLS, YOU ARE ON A SLOPE OF SORT. 
          THAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD HOLD PEOPLE TO. 
          I WILL NOTE THAT THIS LANGUAGE ONLY APPLIES TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR RETAINING WALLS. 
          YOU WILL SEE THE VEGETATION PLAN IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. 
          THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PROVIDE COMMENT OR CLARITY ON ACCESS OR IMPACTS AND SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. 
          >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE LA 2539 TEXT AMENDMENTS REGARDING RETAINING WALLS. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> IS THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY OR DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. 
          MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          FINALLY, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 17, 
          [17. Agreements - Collective Bargaining for Local 12 and Local 49]
WHICH IS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING FOR LOCAL 12 AND LOCAL 49. 
          THIS, I WILL ASK MR. EDWARDS TO BRIEF US ON THIS. 
          >> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE GOT THROUGH OUR NEGOTIATING PROCESS WITH TWO OF OUR FOUR BARGAINING UNITS, LOCAL 12, WHICH REPRESENTS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE EMPLOYEES, AND LOCAL 49, WHICH REPRESENTS OUR PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS, AND FACILITIES EMPLOYEES. 
          IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE TWO DRAFT BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. 
          BOTH OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS HAVE VOTED TO ADOPT THESE PROVISIONS. 
          THEIR SIDE HAS SAID YES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUR SIDE NOW TO ALSO SAY YES. 
          THE WAY I WROTE THE PACKET, THERE IS SOME FINE TWEAKING OF LANGUAGE, NON SUBSTANTIAL STUFF THAT WE MAY GO BACK AND FORTH ON A LITTLE BIT, STILL, BUT ALL THE SUBSTANTIAL STUFF HAS BEEN SORTED OUT, SO LOOK FOR LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL, 
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WE'LL FINISH UP ANY OF THE I DOTTING AND T CROSSING, AND THEN LOOK FOR THE MAYOR AND CLERK TO THEN BE ABLE TO SIGN THE DOCUMENTS. 
          >> THE STATUS OF THE OTHER TWO NEGOTIATIONS, ARE THEY? 
          >> THE OTHER TWO, WE HAVE TENTATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BARGAIN UNITS. 
          WE HAVE PROVIDED THEM WITH DRAFT REDLINE DOCUMENTS FOR THE AGREEMENTS, AND WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO TAKE THEIR VOTES. 
          I'VE INFORMED BOTH UNITS THAT I WANT TO PUT THEIRS ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SO THEY ARE APPROVED BY THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THEY BOTH INDICATED THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT. 
          >> BY MAKING THESE PUBLIC, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AND GO, CRACK OPEN THE NEGOTIATIONS AGAIN. 
          >> NO, I FULLY BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER DURING THIS PROCESS. 
          THERE'S NO SECRETS AMONG THE UNITS. 
          >> QUICK QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE COST OF THE INSURANCE CITY WILL COVER 100% OF THE PREMIUM. 
          IS THAT FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND FAMILY OR JUST THE EMPLOYEE? 
          >> WHATEVER PREMIUM THEY CHOOSE. 
          THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR SYSTEM OR IN OUR FOR A CONTRACT. 
          THEY'RE SINGLE WITH CHILDREN, SINGLE WITH SPOUSE, AND THEN FULL FAMILY. 
          WHAT WE CHANGED IN THIS ROUND OF BARGAINING WAS SAYING, WE USED TO COVER 100% OF SINGLE, AND THEN WE WERE COVERING MORE THAN 100% OF SOME OF THE OTHERS AND NOT ENOUGH OF THE FAMILY. 
          WE CHANGED THAT AND SAID, WE WOULD COVER THE PREMIUM AND THEN PROVIDE $100 THAT THEY COULD USE IN THE OTHER ANCILLARY BENEFIT. 
          SELECTIONS LIKE THAT. 
          >> DOES THAT COME OUT ABOUT EQUIVALENT BUDGET WISE OR DOES THAT INCREASE OUR? 
          >> THE INSURANCE CHANGE WE DID SOME ESTIMATES BECAUSE WE ARE NOT 100%. 
          PEOPLE MAY MOVE FROM ONE PLAN TO ANOTHER, BUT WE CALCULATED BASED ON OUR ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE INSURANCE CHANGE WAS GOING TO ADD ABOUT $60,000 TO THE BUDGET, WHICH IS WHAT WE PUT IN THE PLENARY BUDGET NUMBER SO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER THAT. 
          THAT'S 60,000 FOR ALL FOUR NUMBER. I SHOULD CLARIFY. 
          >> WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE LOCAL 12 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND LOCAL 49 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT? 
          >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE AUTHORITY FOR MR. EDWARDS TO MAKE NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? 
          >> YES. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIDE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND MR. MADDOCK PUT IN ON THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          I KNOW IT WAS A LONG HAUL. 
          WHEN DID YOU START? WHEN WAS THE FIRST MEETING? 
          >> MARCH, APRIL. 
          >> YEAH [LAUGHTER]. 
          TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO REPORT? 
          >> JUST ONE THING, I KNOW I PUT IT IN MY WRITTEN WEEKLY UPDATE TO YOU ALL, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOUR STAFF IS CURRENTLY PUTTING INTO THE STAND OF THE NEW SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT, PARTICULARLY OUR FINANCE AND HR DEPARTMENT, BOTH I WANT TO CALL UP BOTH MAGGIE AND ANN FROM THAT DEPARTMENT, WHO HAVE BEEN I JUST APPROVED THEIR TIME SHEETS FOR THE LAST PAY PERIOD, AND THEY ARE WELL EXCEEDING THE NUMBER OF NORMAL HOURS YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A PAY PERIOD, TRYING TO GET THAT DEPARTMENT STOOD UP. 
          I KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU SIT ON THE BOARD MEETING, SO YOU'LL BE SITTING TOMORROW MORNING AND YOU'LL SEE FINANCIAL POLICIES AND BANK SELECTIONS AND INVESTMENT PLANS AND PERSONNEL POLICY STUFF AND ALL THAT THING. 
          >> VERY WELL DONE. 
          >> A LOT OF WORK THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE PUTTING IN. 
          >> YEAH, PLEASE PLEASE PASS ALONG OUR GRATEFULNESS FOR THAT. 
          HAVING READ THE 120 PAGE PANG. 
          YEAH, VERY WELL APPRECIATED AND VERY WELL DONE, AND NICE TO HAVE THAT, WITHIN OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND MAKE SURE WE GET STOOD UP APPROPRIATELY AS A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA, 
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BUT I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO ASK MR. MADDOCK IF HE HAS A REPORT. 
          >> NO, I DON'T, OTHER THAN THE PIGGYBACK ON WHAT ADAM SAID AS. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE CONCLUSION OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT A LOT OF TIME ON WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS, CODE UPDATES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          IT'S BEEN NICE TO ACTUALLY BRING SOME OF THESE LONGSTANDING PROJECTS TO CONCLUSION AND GET THEM BEFORE YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I HAVE NO OTHER UPDATES. 
          >> WELL, WE WILL TURN TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL REPORTS. 
          [Mayor and Council Reports]
USUALLY START WITH MR. PRESIDENT, BUT I'M GOING TO START THE OTHER DIRECTION. 
          >> MR. SCHWINGLER YOU GET TO. 
          >> THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT ON, I KNOW YOU WERE THERE BECAUSE I STARE AT THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD, BUT WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK AND GOING THROUGH ON THAT. 
          I DID HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY FAMILY DUTIES THERE. 
          WE SAW A LOT OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, AND MAYBE YOU STAYED THE WHOLE TIME. 
          I WASN'T ABLE TO. 
          >> THE FIRST THREE HOURS OF THAT WE'RE DEVOTED TO THE NORTH ARM. 
          >> THAT WAS EXACTLY IT. 
          WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THERE AND WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT. 
          NO, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. 
          >> I WATCHED THE MEETING, BUT IT WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE AND I SAW YOU GUYS IN IT, BUT I HAVE NOTHING IN YOUR REPORT EXCEPT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ONO HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM FOR THEIR WIN. 
          OR DID I TAKE STILL YOUR THUNDER? 
          >> THAT WAS MY THUNDER, TOO, BUT I GO ALL BE UNANIMOUS. 
          >> I LEFT IT FOR MAYOR. 
          >> YOU HAVE A SON ON THE TEAM. 
          >> I COACH THOSE TEAMS. 
          >> I HAVE NOTHING THAT'S NOT ALREADY BEEN SAID, SO THANK YOU. 
          >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ONE, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HACKBERRY AND PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF TO SEE IF WE COULD TAKE SOME STEPS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF HACKBERRY AND WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S BEEN ANYTHING DONE YET. 
          >> NOT YET, JUST BECAUSE I GOT BACK FROM VACATION. 
          >> PERFECT. 
          >> FOCUSED ON THE FIRE. 
          >> THEN ALSO, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SHORELINE FIRE. 
          WE HAVE OUR SECOND BOARD MEETING TOMORROW, AND AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF, I THINK, GOOD ACTION TAKEN TO CONTINUE THAT. 
          I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT THE FLYER THAT WENT OUT WITH THE ONO HAPPENINGS WAS FANTASTIC. 
          IT WAS INCREDIBLY EASY TO READ. 
          IT REALLY SPELLED OUT THE COLLABORATIVE APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING. 
          IT WAS JUST REALLY WELL DONE. 
          FOR RACHEL AND THE REST OF THE FOLKS TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, IT WAS JUST REALLY WELL DONE. THAT'S IT. 
          >> ALSO ON TOP OF THAT. 
          I'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK REALLY LIKING THE NAME, SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S GREAT. 
          >> FOR A LOT OF SKEPTICAL PEOPLE. 
          >> WE DEFINITELY TURNED A PAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH THAT. 
          THANK YOU, STEVE, FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT IN ON THAT AND FOR TAKING THE HELM AS THE BOARD CHAIR OF THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          ADAM AND SOREN FOR THEIR MANY HOURS SPENT ON THAT AS WELL. 
          LIKE I SAID, I WAS GOING TO CONGRATULATE THE FOOTBALL TEAM AND ALL OF OUR FALL SPORTS. 
          THE ONO SCHOOL DISTRICT REALLY IS MAKING OUR COMMUNITY LOOK GOOD WITH ALL OF THEIR SUCCESS. 
          CONGRATS TO THE KIDS FOR THEIR HARD WORK. 
          A LOT GOES INTO THAT. 
          >> WELL, OUR SWIM AND DIVE TEAM ACROSS COUNTRY GO TO STATE. 
          IT IS FUN TO SEE. 
          IT IS REALLY IS. 
          IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BE AN ONO SPARTAN. 
          >> THAT'S RIGHT. I GUESS THE ONE THING I WOULD ADD A DIFFERENT NOTE IS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS NOW WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY ABOUT THE NORTH ARM PUBLIC LANDING AND MORE TO COME ON THAT. 
          WE HAD A MEETING TODAY WITH I THINK MOST OF THE LAKE AREA MAYORS WERE INVITED ALONG WITH ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND THE LMCD AND THE DNR, AND IT WAS QUITE A LARGE CONTINGENT ON THE ZOOM CALL LED BY OUR HENNEPIN COUNTY COMMISSIONER HEATHER EDELSON, AND REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME SOLUTIONS AS TO THE INCREASED COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY THAT'S OPERATING OUT OF THE PUBLIC LANDINGS, INCLUDING OURS AT NORTH ARM OR INCLUDING THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ONE THAT OPERATES IN NORTH ARM WHEREIN ONO. 
          MORE TO COME ON THAT, BUT I'M PLEASED THAT WE'RE LOOKING 
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FOR SOLUTIONS THERE AND CONTEMPLATING WITH STAFF SOME CHANGES THAT WE COULD DO TO OUR ORDINANCES TO BETTER CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          I GUESS ONE MORE REALLY SAD NOTE IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT WESTON PACKER PASSED AWAY, AND FUNERAL IS WEDNESDAY. 
          OUR CONDOLENCES AND THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO WESTON'S FAMILY. 
          REALLY A TRAGIC EVENT. 
          NO, BUT REALLY A COOL EVENT SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY THAT HE GOT TO MAKE A WISH TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE WILD AND HE WENT AND PLAYED WITH THE TEAM AND SCORED A GOAL, AND I WAS DRIVING INTO WORK THAT DAY, AND EVERY OVERPASS BETWEEN HERE AND MY DESTINATION IN MINNEAPOLIS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CONTINUED INTO ST. PAUL, HAD FIRE ENGINES ON THEM WITH FIREFIGHTERS WAVING FLAGS AND REALLY MAKING IT A BIG DEAL. 
          REALLY HAPPY THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR HIM. 
          >> ONE OF OUR SHORELINE FIRE DEPARTMENT FAMILIES. 
          INCREDIBLE WATCHING THIS COMMUNITY RALLY AROUND. 
          THIS GET AND I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ON THIS, HOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HERE AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A FAMILY AND SUPPORTING OUR FIREFIGHTER FAMILY HAS INSPIRED THEM TO TAKE ACTION TO HELP SUPPORT, WHICH IS UNBELIEVABLE 
          >> WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ALL THOSE OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. 
          MOTION CARRIES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.