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[NOISE] WELCOME TO PARKS COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025.[Call to Order]
OUR FIRST MATTER OF BUSINESS IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.>> WE HAVE SOME STUFF ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS APPROVE THE AGENDA.
[Approval of Agenda ]
ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM?>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT?
[Approval of Minutes ]
2025 MEETING MINUTES HERE TO APPROVE.I'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT, THREE MINUTES.
>> IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO TALK.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO JUST BE HERE TO OBSERVE, YOU CAN TOO.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE GREAT NEWS, SO I WILL TALK [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE WILL TAKE YOUR COMMENT AT THAT POINT THEN.
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO PRESENTATIONS, WHICH IS STAFF REPORT.
[Staff Report ]
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS HERE IS JUST TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO MARK THE LAKE ACCESS POINT AT ORCHARD BEACH PLACE.AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND, IT WAS IDENTIFIED PREVIOUSLY BY THE PARKS COMMISSION, AND IT HAS BEEN A FOCUS OF A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS WELL TO GET THAT MARKED.
WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING TODAY IS JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THAT.
THEN IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHERE THEY WOULD DESIGNATE THAT A PUBLIC ACCESS AND THEN DIRECT TO STAFF TO MARK THAT.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE, BUT THIS IS THE LOCATION HERE AT THE END OF ORCHARD BEACH PLACE.
>> REAL QUICK, JOE. SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT IS THIS NOT WORKING?
>> WE GOT THIS THING IN THE WAY.
>> IF NOT, WE HAVE ALL THE MATERIALS HERE.
>> BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
>> IT IS BEHIND US, THAT'S A BIT OF A PAIN, BUT IT'S FINE.
>> I DID PRINT EVERYTHING OUT, SO IT'S THE SAME THING THAT'S IN THE PACKET.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRINTOUTS TOO.
>> I'VE LEARNED THAT YOU GUYS LIKE THE PRINTOUTS, SO YOU CAN TAKE NOTES.
>> THIS IS THE FORM JANIE DID, SO IT JUST HAS SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT.
THEN I HAVE A FEW MORE PICTURES HERE JUST OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN JUST SEE THE LEADING INTO THE ROAD THERE TO THE LAKE ACCESS POINT.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IS CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THERE THAT WE NEED ACCESS TO.
THAT'S PART OF THE ACCESS POINT TO THAT AND THAT ANOTHER OVERHEAD MAP OF WHERE THAT'S AT.
>> WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS IN OUR LAST WORK SESSION AS WELL.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE THERE TO INDICATE IT?
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>> NO, BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN DESIGNATED AS A-
>> DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC ACCESS.
>> YEAH, OFFICIALLY, SO I THINK PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN USING IT.
IT IS A CITY-OWNED PARCEL OF ACCESS, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED.
>> I THINK IT WAS RECOMMENDED IN 2022, AND IT JUST FELL THROUGH THE CRACK OR SOMETHING. YEAH.
>> IT CAME UP, AND IT NEVER HAPPENED, SO THAT'S WHY I THINK US DOING OUR RECOMMENDATION NOW, GOING TO COUNCIL, LET THEM MAKE THEIR DECISION.
THEN IF IT IS ONE, WE CAN MARK IT.
IF NOT, WE'LL KNOW WHERE THEY STAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING FROM ACCESS SUBCOMMITTEE THAT YOU GUYS WANT?
>> NO, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
IT SEEMS LIKE A PERFECT PUBLIC ACCESS.
IT'S WIDE ENOUGH, IT'S GOT A NICE INCLINE.
IT'S WIDE ENOUGH, I THINK IT'S 50 FEET WIDE.
>> IS IT THIS ONE? WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY, JANIE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE OVERGROWN NOW, SO IT PROBABLY NEEDS SOME TIDYING UP.
>> RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JUST US SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE LABELED PUBLIC ACCESS, AND THEN WE CAN PUT UP THE MARKERS RIGHT AWAY.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE OF A CHANCE IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY IF THERE'S MORE UPDATES WE WANT TO DO TO CLEAN IT UP.
>> IS THE ROAD WIDE ENOUGH IF SOMEBODY WANT TO PARK THERE?
YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THAT IS HOW MOST OF THE ROAD IS ALL THE WAY UP.
>> IS THAT PAVED OR IS IT DIRT?
>> THEY CAN PARK ON THAT PAVED BIT?
>> PARKING WOULD BE A CONCERN THERE.
>> THEY PARK ON THAT PAVED BIT?
>> YOU COULD, LIKE ANY STREET.
>> IT'S NOT MARKED, NO PARKING.
>> MIKE, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S NOT MARKED NO PARKING, BUT IT IS A SMALL STREET.
I THINK YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, JANIE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE FROM THE OTHER PART OF ORONO IS GOING TO COME TO USE.
IT'S MOSTLY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, WALKERS, RESIDENTS, WHO ARE CLOSE, I THINK, JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND MARKED FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE A SPOT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING IN THERE AND USING IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY INDICATION OF THAT, BUT AT LEAST MAKING SURE IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND MARKED.
>> I THINK THIS PICTURE IS A LITTLE DECEPTIVE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S REALLY ROUGH, BUT IT'S A FULLY PAVED ROAD.
>> I THINK THERE WAS WORK GOING ON THERE.
>> ALL THE WAY DOWN. THEN THERE'S A LOT OF BUFFER ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE STREET FROM THAT HOUSE.
>> WHAT'S THIS? THIS IS [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN THIS ROAD TO GET INTO THEIR HOUSE?
>> THAT'S INTERESTING. THEY'RE ALL SO DIFFERENT.
EVERY ONE OF THESE HAS A STORY.
>> THEN IT JUST ENDS, AND THEN IT GOES [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS.
LAKE ACCESS WOULD BE FROM HERE TO HERE.
>> RIGHT. IT'S LIKE A DEAD END?
>> I THINK CURRENTLY, THERE'S A DOCK SECTION BURIED UNDERNEATH A BUNCH OF STUFF.
WAS THERE A DOCK THERE AT ONE TIME? DO YOU KNOW, JOE?
>> MAYBE THIS GENTLEMAN MIGHT KNOW.
IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS TOPIC, PLEASE APPROACH.
>> LES DELTON, 1535 ORCHARD BEACH PLACE.
I'M THE FIRST HOUSE ON ORCHARD BEACH PLACE, AS YOU TURN ON.
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I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1963, SO I DO HAVE A HISTORY OF IT.THE DOCK SECTION IS SOMETHING THAT FLOATED UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN A STORM, AND MY WIFE AND I GRAB IT AND PULLS IT UP ON THE SHORE.
I'M THE ONE WHO'S BEEN PUSHING THIS TO TRY TO GET IT MARKED, AND I WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT.
I HAVE CITY MAILING AD, HAPPENINGS, OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, AND I HAVE ONE THAT'S LISTED AS A CITY PARK.
I KEPT IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER SEEN IT LISTED AS A CITY PARK, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY.
MY DAD BUILT THE HOUSE THAT I LIVED IN IN 1963, SO I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
YOU'LL FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT WE HAD A DOCK.
I HAD A DOCK DOWN THERE FROM '63 UNTIL THE EARLY '90S WHEN I WAS FORCED TO TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE THE LAKE GOT POPULAR, AS WE ALL KNOW, AND WHATEVER, IT'S GONE.
BUT WE HAVE MAINTAINED THAT AREA FOR 60 YEARS.
WE'VE CLEANED IT, KEPT THINGS CUT DOWN.
WHEN I GOT MARRIED, MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM MY MOM, AND SO MY WIFE HAS BEEN TAKING CARE OF IT.
WELL, WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST GETTING TOO MUCH, AND IT IS USED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WALKERS, NEIGHBORHOOD, KIDS COME DOWN, PARENTS BRING THEIR KIDS DOWN, THEY FISH.
IN THE WINTERTIME, IT'S A MAIN ACCESS POINT FOR FISH HOUSES, FOR PEOPLE WITH SNOWMOBILES, FOUR WHEELERS.
IT'S MORE ACTIVE IN THE WINTERTIME THAN IT IS IN THE SUMMERTIME.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE BRING THEIR KIDS DOWN TO SWIM.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME FRAME, BUT MY NEIGHBOR WHO JUST PASSED AWAY WAS 102.
SHE'S LIVED THERE SINCE THE LATE '40S.
I GET ALL MY HISTORY FROM HER, BUT SHE'S GONE NOW.
BUT IT WAS BACK, I THINK, IN THE '50S, AN ORONO PUBLIC BEACH.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO GO SWIMMING OUT OF WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.
THERE ISN'T REALLY A LOT OF ROOM TO PARK, BUT PEOPLE DO PARK ON THE SIDE, JUST MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN GET DOWN.
THERE'S THREE HOUSES ON IT, WELL, FOUR.
THERE'S A HOUSE AT THE END OF THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE, SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM AS LONG AS PEOPLE PARK AT THE SIDE, AND MOST PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY IS JUST WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT CLEANED UP AND MAINTAINED.
REALISTICALLY, I'D LOVE TO SEE A DOCK AND PUT KAYAKS IN AND USE IT, BUT I THINK THAT'S MAYBE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH, BUT AT LEAST TRY TO KEEP IT CLEAN.
LIKE I SAID, MY WIFE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, AND WE JUST CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. THIS DOCK SWEPT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
THAT DOCK SWEPT AND FLOATED UP.
WE HAD A HELL OF A TIME GETTING IT UP.
I'VE ACTUALLY ASKED THE CITY A COUPLE OF TIMES TO COME AND GET IT, AND THEY HAVEN'T.
THERE'S MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
WE JUST LIKE TO SEE IT BECOME CLEAN AND BE USED OF ALL THE PEOPLE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF IT FOR SO MANY YEARS AND BRINGING THIS TO THE ATTENTION AGAIN.
>> I'VE BEEN PUSHING IT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS TO TRY TO GET IT DONE JUST SO I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, JUST A MONTH OR TWO AGO, THE NEIGHBOR HAS PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL, SO HE'S HAD IT ALL BARRICADED WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION, JUST KEEP SILT OUT.
A MONTH OR TWO AGO, I SAW A YOUNG LADY PUSHING HER KIDS DOWN THERE, AND I STOPPED AND TALK TO HER.
SHE SAID SHE'S USED IT BEFORE, BUT SHE THOUGHT MAYBE IT CHANGED WHERE IT WASN'T PUBLIC ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THAT SILT, AND I TOLD HER NO.
YOU KEEP COMING DOWN USING IT, SO IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO GET IT MARKED SO PEOPLE KNOW.
IT MAKES HER SO HAPPY TO SEE PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THERE.
THEY GO DOWN THERE, JUST SIT AND LOOK OUT THE LAKE.
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>> WHEN I VISITED, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT COULD HAVE TRAILER ACCESS OR VEHICLE ACCESS.
YOU'RE SAYING THE VEHICLES THAT USE IT PROBABLY ARE SNOWMOBILES IN THE WINTERTIME?
>> THE SNOWMOBILES OR A FOUR-WHEELERS.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE A CAR DOWN, BUT THE FOUR-WHEELERS AND THE SNOWMOBILES USE THAT.
THAT'S HOW EVERYBODY GETS ON THE LAKE.
>> THE FISH OUT FOR THE SHANTIES OUT THERE, I SUSPECT.
>> YEAH. THOUGH I'LL SAY A LOT OF CROSS-COUNTRY SKIERS WILL PUT THEIR SKIS ON [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN GO ACROSS.
BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO GET A FOUR-WHEELER OR SNOWMOBILE.
>> UP AND DOWN, BUT THERE'S NO CARS OR FISH HOUSES GOING IN AND OUT.
SOMETIMES IF YOU MARK IT, THEN PEOPLE WILL USE IT, WHICH IS GREAT.
DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH, IS THERE SUCH THING AS TOO MANY PEOPLE THERE BECAUSE OF THE PARKING?
I WOULD NOT FORESEE GETTING TO A PARK WHERE THAT CARS ARE LINED ON THE STREET.
I GO OFF TO THE NORTH ARM PARK AREA.
I GO FOR MY WALK, NOBODY'S EVER THERE.
YOU GO TO THE ONE ON LOMA LINDA, WHICH IS A BOAT ACCESS, YOU VERY SELDOM TO SEE PEOPLE THERE.
MATTER OF FACT, A LADY FROM LOMA LINDA I TALKED TO, SHE WALKS OVER TO OURS BECAUSE IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'D BE VERY CONCERNED IF THE ROAD'S LINED WITH CARS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T PARK NORMALLY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 70, 80, 90 YEARS.
THE MOST PARKING THERE IS IN THE WINTERTIME.
THERE MAYBE 3 OR 4, 5 CARS PARKED IN THE WINTERTIME FOR ICE FISHING.
MATTER OF FACT, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF A TIME THERE'S BEEN A CAR PARKED THERE IN THE SUMMERTIME.
IT'S ALWAYS WALKING. BUT IN THE WINTERTIME IS WHEN PEOPLE PARK THERE TO GO FISHING.
>> NOW, DO YOU ICE FISH? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OVER ON NORTH ARM TO FISH OVER THERE? THERE'S MAYBE 100 SHANTIES OUT THERE.
THEN THERE'S PARK STREET, AND THERE'S A SIGN THERE.
THOSE SAYS, CAN'T USE THIS DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH.
>> NO, NOT LOMA LINDA, OVER ON PARK STREET ON NORTH ARM.
WHAT I'M JUST ASKING IS, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT.
THE SIGN IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE IT GETS MORE USED IN THE WINTER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN THERE.
>> IF YOU EVER WENT ICE FISHING OVER IN NORTH ARMONK USED THAT PARK ACCESS.
>> I'VE BEEN OVER THERE, BUT I HAVE NOT USED THAT ACCESS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE US IS WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR NOW.
THE SITES THAT ARE BEING USED.
HOW ARE THEY BEING USED AND HOW CAN WE FIX IT?
>> IT'S DEFINITELY KNOWN FOR ICE FISHING.
LIKE I SAID, IS THERE'S ALL WINTER LONG, THEY'LL BE ONCE THE FISH HOUSES GO OUT.
ACTUALLY, ONCE THERE'S ICE ON THE LAKE, PEOPLE START PARKING THERE AND GOING OUT FISH.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR ANYTHING ELSE, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT AND HISTORY AND EVERYTHING TO DO.
>> WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO GO ON THE RECORD AS SAYING, I REALLY ENJOY THESE TYPES OF SMALL BEACHES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
I THINK THEY'RE PERFECT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS.
THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO PROMOTE AS A DESTINATION BEACH.
BUT FOR NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LAKE.
I'VE BEEN UTILIZING THESE MY WHOLE LIFE AND HAVE BEEN SHARING WITH MY KIDS.
OPPORTUNITIES ARE GREAT TO HAVE ACCESS FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THANKS FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE WITH THE CITY CAN BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THAT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SHOULD WE OPEN FOR A MOTION?
>> I JUST SAY THAT IT'S NOT A BEACH WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND HAVE A PICNIC THING.
IT'S JUST CHARMING. IT'S JUST A LITTLE.
YOU CAN GO DOWN. I SAT DOWN THERE THIS SUMMER, AND IT'S IT'S JUST A LITTLE SPOT TO GO.
I DON'T SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM BEING OPENED UP.
>> THERE'S A FEW OF THESE SITES THAT ARE BETTER SUITED THAN OTHERS FOR USE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK FOR IS WHAT IS THE SHORELINE LIKE?
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THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS POINT HAS A SANDY BOTTOM.THAT'S UNUSUAL IN A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
THIS FITS CHECKS A LOT OF THE BOXES IN TERMS OF THE ONES THAT WE WE'RE GOING TO END UP RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO THINGS WITH.
THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS THERE THAT WE'RE FINDING THAT AREN'T SET UP WELL TO BE USED THAT WAY.
THE ONES THAT ARE, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THEM AND TAKE CARE OF THEM.
>> A MOTION TO [LAUGHTER] THAT SITE, YES.
IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO MARK ORDER OR ORCHARD BEACH PLACE AS A ACCESS POINT.
AS THE CALENDAR 2026 PARK COMMISSION MEETING DATES.
IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT CALENDAR.
>> IN HERE, I'VE DONE TWO DIFFERENT CALENDARS, ONE WITH OUR CURRENT TUESDAY, AND THEN ANOTHER WITH MONDAY, WHICH IS, I GUESS HOW THE PARK COMMISSION USED TO BE, AND HOW THE REST CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO DO [LAUGHTER]. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
THERE IS ONLY ONE CHANGE THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME AFTER I PUT THIS OUT.
NEXT YEAR AT THIS NOVEMBER MEETING, IT WOULD BE AN ELECTION DAY, SO WE COULDN'T HAVE IT ON TUESDAY.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED TO MONDAY.
>> JOE, I THINK THE TUESDAY CALENDAR IS MISSING THE SEVENTH IN APRIL. THE WORK SESSION.
>> THAT WOULD BE ADDING AN EXTRA WORK SESSION FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
>> IT'S ON THE MONDAY CALENDAR.
>> I THINK IT JUST GOT DELETED. IS IT ON THERE?
>> IT'S DELETED IN THE TEXT, BUT NOT ON THE CALENDAR.
>> I THINK THAT JUST GOT MOVED, BUT JUST THOUGHT [OVERLAPPING].
>> PERFECT. NO, THAT'LL BE GOOD.
IF WE DO DECIDE THAT ONE, I'LL ON THERE.
BECAUSE WHATEVER IS APPROVED, OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS RECOMMEND WILL GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL AND ON NEXT MONDAY.
>> I'M FOR MONDAYS, BUT MAJORITY RULES, SO MAYBE WE JUST SAY MONDAY OR TUESDAY, WHATEVER.
>> IS THERE AN ADVANTAGE TO ONE OVER THE OTHER? I DON'T CARE. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
>> IT ALWAYS USED TO BE MONDAYS AND SOMEWHERE A FEW YEARS AGO IT OR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO, IT GOT SWITCHED.
I DON'T THINK WE REMEMBERED WHO IT WAS. DOESN'T MATTER.
MONDAY OR TUESDAY, I'D PREFER MONDAYS.
IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK, BUT LIKE I SAID.
>> DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? IS MONDAY [OVERLAPPING].
>> DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE? THAT'S WHY I PUT BOTH.
MONDAY IS THE MEETING DAY, WHICH FOR ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL SO I THINK THAT'S [BACKGROUND] KEEPS IT CONSISTENT, BUT IF THEY'RE TUESDAY, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL EITHER HERE SO REALLY I'M PUTTING ALL THE OWNERS ON YOU GUYS.
>> I LIKE TUESDAY, BUT I'LL GO WITH MAJORITY AS WELL, BUT I DO LIKE TUESDAY A LITTLE BETTER.
>> I HAVE HAD A CONFLICT ON TUESDAY, AND IT MIGHT CARRY OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
>> QUESTION, IS THIS THE TIME TO BRING UP MEETING MORE OFTEN BEFORE WE LIKE, IF WE COULD TRY TO MEET EVERY MONTH, EXCEPT FOR DECEMBER, THAT WOULD ADD THREE MORE MEETINGS? I JUST WANTED IT.
>> WE COULD IF WE THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
I JUST THINK THE MORE TIME WE TOGETHER, THE MORE WE BUILD AS A TEAM AND GET THINGS DONE.
>> BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE CONVERT THE WORKSHOPS IN JANUARY, JUNE AND APRIL IN OCTOBER INTO FOUR MONTH.?
>> NO, THAT COULD BE ONE, BRIAN.
THE OTHER THOUGHT IS JUST THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING IN MARCH AND SEPTEMBER AND JULY.
>> THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS MORE EITHER MEETINGS OR WORK SESSION.
I'M NOT ADD MEETINGS, AND IF WE WANTED A WORK SESSION JUST LIKE THEY DO FOR COUNCIL,
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HAVING AN HOUR BEFORE.>> MAYBE THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE WORK SESSIONS, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE DOUBLE MEETINGS IN A MONTH.
THERE WAS A NEED FOR IT, I GUESS.
IT WOULDN'T RIGHT, JOE. HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> YEAH, THAT'S I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN MEET, BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
>> I THINK THE SUGGESTION IS THE WORK SESSIONS AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON NOT EVERY MONTH.
BUT AND THEN SCHEDULE A FORMAL MEETING AT SIX O'CLOCK.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SIX O'CLOCK MEETING, THEN, WE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE ADJOURN, BASICALLY.
>> YEAH, IT WOULD BE QUICK. WE WOULDN'T BE HERE THREE HOURS.
>> THE ONLY CHANGE THEN IS THAT THE WORK SESSIONS WOULD THEN BE MOVED UP TO FIVE O'CLOCK INSTEAD OF O'CLOCK.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MONDAY CALENDAR, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION IN JANUARY BECAUSE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
>> THAT'S WHAT SCHEDULES IS IT WORKS.
>> THERE WON'T BE REALLY MUCH.
>> THE SUMMER GETS, THEY WANT TO WORK ON MORE EVENTS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARK STUFF MORE AND STANDARDS AND WHAT'S GOING ON AT THEM AND THESE ACCESS POINTS.
WOULD WE MAYBE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING IN FEBRUARY? THERE'S NOTHING IN MARCH.
WE COULD HAVE MAYBE SKIP MARCH, KEN, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? THEN APRIL, I'D HAVE A WORK SESSION AND A MEETING ON THE SIXTH.
>> I WAS JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL THINKING, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SPENDING ENOUGH TIME TOGETHER TO JEALOUS A TEAM AND TO GET STUFF DONE COMING IN NEW.
I WASN'T THINKING A SPECIFIC WAY TO DO IT.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ME MEET MORE OFTEN.
MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE INTEREST IN THAT BEFORE WE COME UP WITH A APPROACH TO DO IT.
I THINK YOUR APPROACH IS FINE.
>> I LIKE THAT, AND I THINK THAT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OUT OF THE WORK SESSIONS THAN THE FORMAL MEETINGS.
>> YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD ADD WORK SESSIONS?
>> THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WHEN WE ADDED THAT WORK SESSION, IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL TO HAVE IT.
I JUST WANT TO AVOID THAT ADMINISTRATIVE, LIKE WE SAID, IF WE DON'T NEED IT, WE DON'T HAVE IT VERSUS ADD HOC HAVE TO REQUEST.
I GUESS MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK SESSIONS.
>> TO ADD A WORK SESSION TO MARCH AND?
>> IT WOULD BE MARCH, JULY AND SEPTEMBER.
JUST TO WORK TOGETHER AND GET THINGS DONE.
>> JULY, THINGS GET PRETTY QUIET.
I THINK IN SUMMER EVERYBODY'S GONE.
MAYBE WE SKIP JULY, BUT ADD MARCH AND SEPTEMBER THEN BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN A SCHEDULE.
>> I WONDER BECAUSE I THINK WE DO MEET PRETTY REGULARLY.
BUT I THINK TO MAKE OUR MEETINGS MORE PRODUCTIVE, LIKE, MEETING MORE INFORMALLY OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICIAL MEETINGS.
I KNOW WE CAN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GET TOGETHER [OVERLAPPING] AT COFFEE SHOP AND TALK ABOUT PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW JANIE AND I ARE TALKING QUITE A BIT ABOUT ALL THE GOINGS ON.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IN GENERAL, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WE'LL KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER NOW AND WORKING TOGETHER ON OUR SELECTED PARTS, AND THINGS COME UP, AND THEN HAVING JUST THAT MUCH MORE OF AN EFFECTIVE.
>> THAT MEETING. I THINK THAT`S A GOOD IDEA.
>> IN YOUR COMMITTEES TO MEET.
WHAT I CAN DO IS SET THAT WITH THE EXTRA WORK SESSIONS.
>> I THINK THE COFFEES ARE GREAT, AND I THINK HAVING US ALL TOGETHER MORE OFTEN IS GOOD.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EXACTLY ONE FOR THE OTHER.
>> BUT I DO WANT US TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET THE SCHEDULES GOING TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE SEEING A PREVIEW OF IT ON THIS ONE.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, JUST WE CAN ADD THE MARCH AND SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION TO THE SCHEDULE.
THEN YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ON THAT AND JUST DECIDE WHICH DATE YOU WANT.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE TUESDAYS MIGHT WORK BETTER THOSE MONTHS.
EXCEPT FOR 2 MARCH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT SET UP NOW WITH PLANNING AND COUNCIL.
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>> YEAH. SEPTEMBER LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE THERE IS A HOLIDAY ON THE SEVENTH.
>> THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT IF IT'S MONDAYS OR TUESDAYS FIRST.
>> GOOD POINT AND YOU SAID TUESDAYS DIDN'T WORK, MICHAEL?
>> I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, I THINK IT'S THE SECOND TUESDAY.
THAT'S MY CONFLICT, AND IF THIS IS THE FIRST TUESDAY, I'D PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT.
BUT SO WHEN WE SWITCH IT, LIKE WE HAVE DONE BEFORE, I'VE HAD A CONFLICT, SKIPPED THE OTHER ONE OR SOMETHING, BUT I DO THINK I CAN RETRACT THAT THE SECOND TUESDAY
>> THEN THE OTHER THING IS, DID YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE WORK SESSIONS TO A FIVE O'CLOCK?
>> OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM ALL OUR MEETINGS AT SIX.
>> I BROUGHT THAT UP, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THAT YOU COULD PIGGYBACK AND DO BOTH THE SAME.
IF THE DESIRE IS TO MEET MORE FREQUENTLY, THEN THAT DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'D SAY GET RID OF THE WORK SESSIONS THAT ARE SINGLE AND ALONE ON A DAY AND PAIR THEM WITH MEETING AND THEN MAYBE ADD TWO MEETINGS.
>> JANUARY WOULD BE A MEETING AND A WORK SESSION?
>> IT COULD JUST BE A WORK SESSION, MAYBE, IN THAT CASE, BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING OUT THE NEW YEAR.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, BRIAN? YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
THEN SO FEBRUARY IS IT REGULAR MEETINGS? IF WE WANTED WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED A WORK SESSION, BUT DO DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE TO APPROVE A WORK SESSION, JOE?
>> THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO APPROVE MEETING.
>> WE COULD SET UP A WORK SESSION BEFORE, ALL THE REGULAR MEETINGS.
WE'LL HAVE TO GET THEM CANCELED.
WE WILL HAVE TO SEND OUT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE WORK. IT'S A LITTLE MORE.
>> IS IT MORE WORK TO CANCEL OR TO TRY TO GET ONE ON THE SCHEDULE?
>> PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE TO GET IT ON.
BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SCHEDULING MEETINGS JUST TO HAVE MEETINGS.
IN THAT CASE FOR THE SAKE OF SHOWING.
>> I THINK, HISTORICALLY, ONLY AN HOUR, IT'S HARD TO GET THINGS.
THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. OUR MEETINGS GO ALONG.
>> THE WORK SESSION. HOW MUCH ARE YOU GET?
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO HOUR. I THINK AS COUNCIL KNOWS, HOUR WORK SESSION SOMETIMES, YOU LOOK UP AND YOU'RE DONE.
YOU BARELY TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE FREEDOM OF THE WORK SESSION TO BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED TO DO.
>> WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? I WOULD PROPOSE ADDING A WORK SESSION FOR MARCH AND SEPTEMBER AND NOT TOUCH THE REST OF IT. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
>> WHAT HAPPENS IN MARCH AND SEPTEMBER, BRIAN? I MEAN, MARCH AND APRIL.
IT'S JUST BEFORE THE PARKS START GETTING ACTIVE.
IS THAT A BUSY DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE BUSY MONTHS?
>> YEAH, JANUARY THROUGH MAY ARE VERY BUSY FOR [OVERLAPPING].
>> ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FROM OUR LITTLE SUB TEAM, THE STANDARDS.
>> IT'LL SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN JUNE, AND THEN.
>> WHY NOT ADD A MEETING IN MARCH? IF WE NEED A WORK MAYBE WE DON'T NEED A WORK SESSION.
THE OTHER THING I THINK ABOUT MEETINGS VERSUS WORK SESSIONS IS THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GET A LOT OF INFORMATION IF IT'S A WORK SESSION UNLESS THEY ATTEND AND THEY'RE NOT FILMED.
WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS NEW STUFF, MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO JUST HAVE A MEETING IF THOSE ARE THE BUSY MONTHS.
FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL IS A WORK SESSION COULD THAT BE A REGULAR MEETING? THEN MAY.
>> I FEEL LIKE WORK SESSIONS WERE GOING TO GET STUFF DONE AND TALK AND FIGURE THINGS OUT.
THESE MEETINGS ARE MORE TO GET THINGS APPROVED AND PUSH AGENDAS FORWARD.
I THINK IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT, WE NEED WORK SESSIONS.
>> YES, IDEALLY, THE WORK SESSIONS WOULD BE TO WORK ON THINGS AND GET THEM AND THEN YOU WOULD BRING THEM TO YOU WOULD BRING THEM LIKE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
>> WITH THE WHOLE COMMISSION, THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE LITTLE SMALL, FOCUSED GROUP.
THESE ARE I THINK THE WORK SESSIONS ARE WHERE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS A COMMISSION, WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
>> I THINK THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE THE THREE OF US MET SEVERAL TIMES.
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>> WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS.
>> THEN WE BROUGHT IT TO WORK SESSION TWICE, I THINK, TO GET FEEDBACK.
I'M ALL FOR TRANSPARENCY, BUT I'M ALSO REALISTIC THAT I DON'T THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T SUPER EXCITING ABOUT THAT WE TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE ITERATING ON SOMETHING UNTIL WE HONE IN ON THE IDEAS. I DON'T KNOW.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT'S CONFUSING FOR MEDIA IS LIKE JACOB AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON HACKBERRY.
HOW DO YOU GUYS GET THE INPUT? HOW ARE YOU GETTING EDUCATED ON HACKBERRY?
>> THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING PLACE DURING YOUR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
>> IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP, THAT'S MORE IN DETAIL OR NEEDS A DISCUSSION.
THE WORK SESSION WILL BE A PERFECT PLACE FOR THAT.
>> I DO THINK WITH THE WORK SESSION, I DO LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU NEED TO WORK THROUGH THOSE IDEAS.
WHAT IS GOING TO WORK BEST AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MORE FREELY DISCUSS DIFFERENT IDEAS, SOME ARE GOING TO RISE TO THE TOP, AND OTHERS AREN'T, AND THIS.
WE NEED MORE TIME FOR THAT, I THINK.
>> FOR THE WHOLE COMMISSION TO HAVE PERSPECTIVE HOLD IN A MEETING LIKE THIS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR US TO HAVE A WORK SESSION AND HEAR FROM YOU, WHO'S REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND FOR YOU TO BRING US IN ON THAT SO WE CAN ALL DISCUSS AND ALIGN.
THEN IN THIS MEETING, THEN I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING TO THE PUBLIC.
>> BUT IN HACKBERRY'S CALENDAR, WE'RE ALREADY PASSED.
THERE AREN'T ANY MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR WORK SESSIONS ON HACKBERRY. THAT'S WHY.
>> THAT'S WHY I LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
WE DO IT BETTER, MOVING FORWARD, MORE TIME. WE'RE PLANNING.
>> TO BE FAIR, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HACKBERRY.
I WOULD SAY, PROBABLY A TOTAL OF SEVEN HOURS AT THESE MEETINGS.
>> THERE'S NOTHING. YOU SAY WE COULD HAVE A MEETING TONIGHT.
>> I'M NOT SAYING. GET RID OF THE WORK SESSIONS.
I'M SAYING PUT THEM BEFORE THE MEETINGS, MAYBE, AS OPPOSED TO.
THE HACKBERRY THING ON THE CALENDAR, THOUGH, FOR HACKBERRY JOE, IT'S NOW ZOOMING PAST.
IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
WE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT NOW WE'RE IN THE NITTY-GRITTY WITH ISSUES THAT JACOB AND I ARE SEEING THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT, AND WE SHOULD ALL BE DISCUSSING.
BUT THERE IS A CALENDAR FOR HACKBERRY, AND IT'S IN THE DESIGN PHASE, AND IT'S WORKING ITS WAY DOWN THE TRACK NOW.
>> I HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL, THEY EXPECTED THE WHOLE COMMISSION TO BE TAKEN ON ON THE PROJECT.
>> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THIS MEETING AND PRESENTED MANY TIMES.
I THINK THERE HAS BEEN, AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL CAN UPDATE THEM AT ANY TIME WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE HACKBERRY-SPECIFIC STUFF.
WHAT IF FEBRUARY, WE ADDED A FIVE O'CLOCK WORK SESSION? I WOULD STILL SUGGEST SKIPPING IN MARCH.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE A BREAK, ESPECIALLY WHEN.
>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID THOSE MONTHS WERE THE BUSIEST.
>> NO, THEY ARE. ADD A WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY BEFORE THE MAIN MEETING.
ADD A MAIN MEETING OR A FORMAL MEETING IN APRIL AND MOVE THE WORK SESSION TO BEFORE THAT.
YOU HAVE A COMBO IN FEBRUARY AND APRIL, BUT THEN YOU SKIP MARCH.
>> THEN YOU COULD DO THE SAME IN MAY.
IF THERE'S NO NEED FOR A WORK SESSION, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO CANCEL THE WORK SESSION AND THEN JUST HAVE THE FORMAL MEETING.
>>I LIKE THAT BECAUSE THINKING OF THE ANNUAL REVIEW AND THE STANDARDS.
THAT'S THE WORK WE'LL BE DOING THEN.
>> THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT THAT HAPPENS IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH,
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BUT IT'S MORE AT A SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL.THEN YOU GET READY, A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVEL IN MARCH.
THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY'RE READY TO HIT IT AND PRESENT SOMETHING IN APRIL.
NOW, THEN, WE GET INTO JUNE JUST A BIT OF HISTORY.
IN THE PAST, WE HAVE NOT HAD A MEETING IN JULY OR AUGUST.
AUGUST HAD BEEN MAYBE THE MONTH THAT WE AS A GROUP GO OUT AND VISIT A PARK TOGETHER.
IT WAS TECHNICALLY A MEETING, BUT IT WASN'T AT THE DIAS, IT WASN'T A WORK SESSION.
INSTEAD, WE HAD ONE IN SEPTEMBER.
THE REASON WE MOVED IT FROM SEPTEMBER BACK TO AUGUST WAS BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CYCLE AND THE NEED TO GET IN FRONT OF US FOR BUDGETING AND START THE CIP PLANNING PROCESS EARLIER THAN IN SEPTEMBER.
>> THEN WE'D WANT TO ADD A WORK SESSION TO 4TH AUGUST TOO.
>> I'M SAYING THAT THE MAIN TOPIC FOR AUGUST IS TYPICALLY JOE PRESENTING TO US ABOUT THE START OF THE PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR.
IT'S LESS ABOUT US REPORTING BACK AS A GROUP.
>> WE DIDN'T REALLY DO THE BUDGET THING THIS YEAR.
>> WELL, I KNOW WE HAD TWO-PAGE GRID.
>> OPERATIONAL BUDGET IT'S GLEANED FROM WHAT YOU GUYS BRING UP TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT EVERY LINE IN THE BUDGET OR PART.
>> WE DID THAT AT A WORK SESSION, IT WAS GOOD BECAUSE WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS.
>> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS MAYBE THE AUGUST ONE IS JUST A WORK SESSION.
PRIMARILY TO TALK ABOUT BUDGET AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S HAPPENING.
>> IN AUGUST, BRIAN, DID YOU SAY?
>> I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS.
>> I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE, GUYS.
I'M NOT TRYING TO DICTATE ANYTHING HERE.
>> STRIKE IT. WE'RE BAGGING WHAT YOU'RE RAKING.
>> I THINK FOR JOE'S SAKE, WE SHOULD.
>> LET'S CLARIFY WHAT WE'VE SAID.
>> JANUARY IS JUST A WORK SESSION BECAUSE THAT'S THE GOALS DISCUSSION.
FEBRUARY, THERE'S A FIVE O'CLOCK WORK SESSION, SIX O'CLOCK FORMAL MEETING.
IF THE WORK SESSION ISN'T NEEDED, THEN IT'S NOT NEEDED.
I SHOULD SAY SUB-COMMITTEE WORK IN MARCH.
APRIL, THE FIVE O'CLOCK WORK SESSION, SIX O'CLOCK FORMAL MEETING.
>> I WONDER IF IN APRIL, WOULD WE SUGGEST JUST A WORK SESSION AND NO FORMAL? CARRY THE WORK SESSION ACTIVITY INTO THE FORMAL FOR MAY?
>> THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE LIMITING OUR WORK SESSION TO AN HOUR WHEN WE DO IT BEFORE A FORMAL MEETING.
IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS?
>> WHAT I'M THINKING IS IF IN APRIL, WE COULD HAVE A VERY GOOD ROBUST WORK SESSION, AND THEN TAKE THE RESULTS OF THAT WORK SESSION, THOSE ACTION ITEMS, AND GET WHATEVER ACTIVITIES WE DISCUSSED IN APRIL WORK SESSION, MAYBE IN A TWO HOUR FOR THE ONE HOUR MEETING FORMAL IN MAY.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'VE MISSED A LITTLE BIT.
AS DEVELOPING WHAT DO WE WANT FOR SAID PARK, WHICHEVER PARK WE'RE WORKING ON.
THEN HAVING THAT FORMAL, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCISE OPERATION AT THESE MEETINGS.
>> YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE JUST A WORK SESSION IN APRIL THAT'S NOT LIMITED TO AN HOUR TO GET THROUGH THERE?
>> NO FORMAL MEETING IN APRIL, MAYBE A TWO HOUR WORK SESSION.
>> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A WORK SESSION IN APRIL, SO THAT'S GOOD.
>> GET DONE EARLY. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH, ACCESS POINTS OR WHATEVER WE GOT COOKING.
APRIL 6TH, WILL THERE BE NEW COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD BY THEN? OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO THE 13TH IN THIS CASE? JUST BECAUSE, THEN YOU'RE BRINGING NEW COMMISSIONERS ON IN THEIR FIRST MEETING WOULD BE MAY.
I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT, AND THEN WE SHOULD BE PLANNING THE ONBOARDING OF THEM ON THE WORK SESSION IN APRIL.
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WITHOUT THEM HERE, JUST TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO ONBOARD THEM.>> COULD THEY PARTICIPATE IN THE APRIL WORK SESSION, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T TECHNICALLY IMPOINTED?
>> COULD PARTICIPATE AS ANY RESIDENT.
>> THEY COULD PARTICIPATE AS ANY RESIDENT.
>> WAIT A MINUTE, JENI, JUST [OVERLAPPING].
>> AN INVITATION VOTING FOR ANYTHING.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY LIMITATIONS THEM NOT BEING SEATED AS A VOTE.
>> I THINK THAT IN THE CASE THAT THEY'RE NOT APPOINTED BY THEN, IF WE JUST HAVE A WORK SESSION, THEY CAN STILL PARTICIPATE.
WHERE IS IF WE HAVE A FORMAL MEETING, IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION.
>> KEEP IT AS A WORK SESSION ONLY IN APRIL FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
>> YOU GOT THAT, JOE, ARE WE GOOD?
>> WE ADD A WORK SESSION IN APRIL AND MAY, WE WANT TO ADD A WORK SESSION BEFORE THE FIFTH?
>> MY NOTES ARE GETTING QUITE MESSY.
>> WE ALREADY SAID THAT WORK SESSION MEETING.
>> IN CASE HOPING IN MAY, WE CAN JUST WAIT.
>> WE DOING MONDAYS OR TUESDAYS?
>> CAN WE GET THROUGH THIS? I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.
>> I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS THAT MAY WOULD JUST BE A MEETING.
>> I WROTE DOWN WORK SESSION AND MEETINGS, SO SOMEONE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
>> BRIAN YOU JUST SAID WE'RE ADDING A WORK SESSION ON MAY. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT?
>> I MEAN, BRIAN JUST SAID IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WILL END UP.
>> WELL, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WE'D HAVE A ROBUST WORK SESSION IN APRIL AND THEN A MEETING IN MAY, AND MAYBE A WORK SESSION AND A MEETING IN JUNE.
>> EXCEPT FOR THE I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A MEETING IN JUNE.
I THINK ANOTHER WORK SESSION WOULD BE FINE.
>> ANOTHER WORK SESSION. WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE.
MEETING ONLY IN MAY [OVERLAPPING] ONLY IN JUNE?
>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL MEETING TO TAKE UP ANY FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS BETWEEN MAY 4TH AND MAYBE SEPTEMBER.
>> WHAT IF WE DID AN HOUR-LONG WORK SESSION AND THEN A MEETING IN JUNE?
>> WE LIMITED. WE HAD JUST A LITTLE TIME TO CHAT BEFORE OUR MEETING.
>> ESPECIALLY IF BRIAN SAYS THESE ARE BUSY MONTHS.
>> SPRING TENDS TO BE, I THINK THE BUSIEST.
>> BECAUSE WE'LL BE IN THE MIDST OF DOING THOSE AUDITS AND STANDARDS.
CONVERT THE AUGUST WORK SET OR A MEETING TO A WORK SESSION.
>> WE WON'T BE ABLE TO APPROVE ANYTHING, BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER.
>> IT WILL BE A LONG MEETING BECAUSE WE PROBABLY WANT TO REPORT BACK ON OUR PARK ANNUAL VISITS, AND WE HAVE THE BUDGET.
THAT'S A MEETING MEETING ON AUGUST.
>> THAT'S A LONG WORK SESSION.
>> WE DON'T NEED TO. MAKE IT AN HOUR. THAT'S GOOD.
>> THEN WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO FOR SEPTEMBER? WORKING BACKWARDS, NOVEMBER HAS TO BE A INFORMAL MEETING.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO FOR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER?
>> JUST TO REVERT BACK TO AUGUST.
NOT THAT WE'VE DECIDED YET, BUT IF IT'S WORK SESSION OR NOT.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO NOT BE ON THE TUESDAY IN AUGUST BECAUSE I'M A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT GUY.
>> ON BOTH OF THEM, IT'S ON MONDAY.
IT'S NOTED IN THAT MARK CAN MOVE THAT TO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE TUESDAY CALENDAR.
>> THAT IS A GOOD POINT. WE JUST HAVE TO GET IT CORRECTED ON THE CHART.
>> IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AUGUST 4TH?
>> IT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST TUESDAY OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU SEE IN BOTH OF THE SUMMARIES.
IT SAYS MONDAY TO NOT CONFLICT WITH NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
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IT WOULD BE ON MONDAY.>> I'M SURE YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> IT'D BE ON THE 3RD EITHER WAY.
>> TO BRIAN'S POINT, DO WE WANT TO ADD A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, AND WHAT TYPE AND WHY?
>> WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US FOR A FORMAL MEETING FOR BUDGET PURPOSES?
>> THIS WOULD BE CIP. BUDGET IS ALREADY.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE CIP MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
WE NEED A FORMAL MEETING FOR THAT.
>> WE'RE PROPOSING A COMMISSION MEETING IN SEPTEMBER?
>> THE PROBLEM, PERSONALLY, THAT I ALWAYS HAD WITH THE EIGHTH, AND I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOO IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL.
>> CAN WE MOVE IT TO THE 15TH?
>> WE TEND TO NOT HAVE DOUBLE UP THE MEETINGS CAUSE COUNCIL MEETING IS ON THE 14TH AND THEN ON THE 15TH.
>> IN THE PAST, WE'VE MOVED IT TO THE WEDNESDAY.
>> WE COULD DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE.
>> JUST TO KEEP IN MIND STAFF AND WHAT COUNSEL IS HERE, THAT'S TWO NIGHTS OF MEETINGS.
FOR ME, THAT MEANS I'M HERE FOR 30 HOURS.
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE UP IN [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T HAVE KIDS AT HOME ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S A BUSY WEEK.
IT'S A BUSY WEEK. [LAUGHTER] NOT JUST THE DAY.
>> THAT'S WHY WE SKIPPED TIME OF YEAR BACK TO SCHOOL.[OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S A TOUGH TIME OF YEAR.
>> WE COULD GET BY WITHOUT IT.
>> I THINK WE COULD MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE'RE SKIPPING SEPTEMBER.
>> I CAN GET IT. WE CAN EITHER HAVE THAT READY FOR THE AUGUST.
>> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AUGUST.
>> WE'VE GOT A WORK SESSION AND A MEETING.
>> EITHER OR BOTH IN AUGUST. I MISS THAT.
>> AUGUST IS ONLY [OVERLAPPING] SORRY.
WHAT IF WE MAKE OCTOBER A WORK SESSION AT A COMMISSION MEETING?
>> WE CAN MAKE THAT. I CAN MAKE THAT WORK TOO BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] GET BACK IN THE GROOVE.
>> I THINK THAT'S GOOD. IT IS A BUSY TIME. I REMEMBER.
>> BUT FOR CIP PURPOSES, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING IN AUGUST?
>> THAT MEANS THE AUGUST MEETING HAS TO BE A FORMAL MEETING.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.
>> WE COULD DO IT. IT COULD STILL WORK IN OCTOBER.
I MEAN WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT THROUGH THE OTHER MEETINGS, BUT JUST TO HAVE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION.
>> AUGUST 3RD MEETING IS WORK SESSION ONLY.
THEN THE OCTOBER MEETING IS A DOUBLE MEETING? DOUBLE MEETING.
THEN NOVEMBER IS NOT ON THE THIRD.
>> DEPENDING ON MONDAY, TUESDAY THING.
IS THAT A DOUBLE MEETING TO OR NO? NO MEETING TONIGHT, BUT BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.
>> WELL, IT'S THE LAST ONE OF THE YEAR.
>> TO BE HONEST, THIS CONVERSATION, WE COULD DO IT IN WORK SESSION. IT'LL BE BETTER.
>> IT'LL BE MORE THAN EASIER [LAUGHTER].
>> WELL, WE ADDED ONE FULL MEETING, SO THAT'S GOOD. I THINK THAT HELPS.
>> LET'S JUST GO THROUGH IT, MAKE SURE.
>> YES, SO JANUARY [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH I GOT JANUARY IS A WORK SESSION, FEBRUARY FOR BOTH.
>> NOT IN MAY. NO, MAY IS JUST A REGULAR MEETING BECAUSE WE RAN UP A BIG LAWN WORK SESSION IN APRIL. REMEMBER WHAT JACOB SAID?
>> AND THEN NO MEETING IN JULY.
>> OCTOBER, WE'RE NOT HAVING ANYTHING.
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>> OH, NO MEETING, SORRY. I HAD A LITTLE OFFSHOOT BECAUSE I RAN OUT OF ROOM [LAUGHTER].
THEN OCTOBER BOTH AND THEN NOVEMBER BOTH.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT SOUNDS GOOD. A LOT MORE TIME.
>> WE GOT EXCITED THIS MONDAY AND TUESDAY [LAUGHTER].
>> SHOULD WE PUT OUR HEADS DOWN?
>> WHAT'S BETTER FOR YOU, JOE?
>> THESE MEETINGS TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DAY IT'S ON.
>> I DON'T. MONDAY, IF I HAD TO PICK, BUT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S FINE.
>> JACOB, YOU HAD AN OPINION. WHAT WORKS BETTER?
>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH TUESDAYS?
>> WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, JOE SAID ON A TUESDAY MIGHT SET.
>> WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING THEN?
>> THE NOVEMBER 3RD WILL HAVE TO BE ON THE SECOND.
>> MONDAY THE SECOND BECAUSE IN HERE WE'LL BE VOTING.
WE'LL HAVE TWO MONDAY MEETINGS.
CORRECT? AUGUST AND NOVEMBER WILL BE ON MONDAYS.
>> JOE, WILL YOU SEND A NEW CALENDAR IN A DAY OR TWO?
>> I CAN SEND IT TOMORROW. BECAUSE IT GOT TO BE ATTACHED EARLY, SO IT GETS IN THE PACKET FOR COUNCIL.
WE'RE WORKING ON IT SO I CAN JUST SEND IT OUT TO YOU GUYS, TOO.
>> YOU GUYS JUST NEED TO NOW VOTE ON THAT.
>> I PROPOSE WE ACCEPT THE ADJUSTED CALENDAR FOR, WAS IT MONDAY?
>> FOR TUESDAYS, PER THE ADDED NOTE, MEETINGS THAT JOE JUST SHARED WITH US.
>> OPPOSED? PASSES. OUR NEXT ITEM IS CHAIR APPOINTMENTS.
THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT UP IN OUR MANAGEMENT MEETING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS JUST TO KEEP ALL OUR COMMISSIONS ON THE SAME LEVEL.
THEY'RE RECOMMENDING A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, THAT WILL GO TO COUNCIL TO A POINT.
AS I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION, AND ULTIMATELY, WILL BE COUNCIL'S DECISION, BUT YOU GUY'S INPUT HAS A LOT OF WEIGHT, AND ITS IMPORTANT FOR THAT, SINCE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SERVING.
BASICALLY WHAT I'M JUST LOOKING FOR IS YOU GUYS TO NOMINATE AND THEN VOTE ON PEOPLE WHO'LL SERVE AS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
>> CAN I GIVE SOME CONTEXT HERE? I'M THE HISTORIAN HERE [LAUGHTER].
ABOUT THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR ROLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IN THE PAST, THIS IS JUST HOW IT'S WORKED, AND WE CAN CHANGE IT.
IN THE PAST, THE CHAIR HAS BEEN, TECHNICALLY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND HAS REMAINED THE CHAIR FOR AS LONG AS THE TERM HAS FOR THAT CHAIR.
THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S BEEN DONE.
WHEN I TOOK THE CHAIR, I DESCRIBED TO EVERYONE MY APPROACH, BUT I THINK THAT IT MIRRORS WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DO AND COMMISSIONS DO AND SO FORTH, AS FAR AS THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR.
I BY NO MEANS, THINK THAT, AS THE CHAIR, I HAVE ANY MORE INCREMENTAL INFLUENCE OVER ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
I'M JUST A COMMISSIONER WHO ESSENTIALLY RUNS THE MEETING.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ADDITIONAL ROLE.
THE OTHER ROLE, I WOULD SAY, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, IS THINKING ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMISSION.
OVER THE YEARS, I'VE ALSO HAD TO RETAIN PEOPLE WHO WERE ABOUT
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TO ABOUT TO RESIGN OFF OF THE COMMISSION.RETAINING, ATTRACTING PEOPLE, MAKING SURE THAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMISSION THAT'S I THINK HAS BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE THAT I'VE SEEN FOR THE CHAIR AS WELL.
FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS THE COMPOSITION, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COMPOSITION OF THIS COMMISSION SHOULD MIRROR OUR RESIDENTS.
WHICH MEANS AND SHOULD HAVE PEOPLE WITH A VARIETY OF INTERESTS AND BACKGROUNDS AND LONG-TIME RESIDENTS AND SHORT TIMERS AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE, PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ORONO.
EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
LIKE I SAID, WHEN I ACCEPTED THE CHAIR POSITION, WHATEVER YEARS AGO, I MADE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT A GLORIOUS THING.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MAKES ME MORE POWERFUL OR ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ELSE.
IN FACT, I LOOKED AT IT LIKE A LAW FIRM, FIRMS LIKE A COLLEGE DEPARTMENT.
LIKE THE CHEMISTRY DEPARTMENT AT A COLLEGE.
YOU MAY HAVE SOME EDUCATORS THERE WHO ARE LEADING MINDS IN THEIR AREA, AND THE EDUCATORS HAVE VERY DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND BACKGROUNDS, AND SO FORTH.
THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IT JUST HAS TO DEAL WITH ALL THE CRAP.
NO ONE, REALLY, AND IT TYPICALLY FALLS TO ONE OF THE MORE JUNIOR PROFESSORS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION CAN HAVE A VERY STRONG INTEREST AND INFLUENCE, MAYBE EVEN MORE OF AN INFLUENCE ON ORONO PARKS THAN THE PARK COMMISSIONER OR THE PARK CHAIR, I BELIEVE.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME CONTEXT THERE, THAT IT'S NOT SOME GLORIOUS THING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE ROLES ARE OUR COMMISSIONER, PLUS RUNNING THESE MEETINGS, PLUS THE RETAINING AND ATTRACTING MORE PIPELINE OF GOOD COMMISSIONERS.
ENABLING YOU GUYS TO DO YOUR THINGS AND RUN WITH YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE AND INTERESTS.
THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON THE CHAIR.
AS FAR AS THE VICE CHAIR GOES, THE VICE CHAIR HAS ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.
PRIOR TO THAT, THERE WAS NO VICE CHAIR.
IF THE CHAIR COULDN'T MAKE THE MEETING, THEN IT TYPICALLY FELL TO WHOMEVER, LIKE, A MORE SENIOR PERSON, THAT WANTED TO VOLUNTEER TO RUN THE MEETING.
THAT'S ABOUT IT, AND IN THE PAST, IT WAS JANIE DID IT; SOMETIMES WHEN MY PREDECESSOR RICK WAS A CHAIR, SOMETIMES I DID IT, WHATEVER.
WHEN I WAS CHAIR AND I GOT ELECTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, THAT'S WHEN STAFF SAID, MAYBE WE SHOULD FORMALIZE THIS VICE CHAIR THING SO THAT WE KNOW IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO RUN THE MEETINGS, WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHO THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE.
THAT WAS THE ORIGIN OF THE VICE CHAIR.
I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER COMMISSION THAT ACTUALLY HAS A VICE CHAIR.
IT'S NOT LIKE SECOND IN LINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> IT'S SIMILAR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT'S JUST SOMEONE TO RUN THE MEETING IF THE CHAIR CAN'T BE THERE.
>> IT'S A BACKUP. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
>> JUST A DESIGNATED BACKUP. IT'S A BACKUP.
>> IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD THINK THAT THE VICE CHAIR SHOULD BE MAYBE NAMED BY THE CHAIR.
BECAUSE IT'S SOMEONE WHO CAN PICK UP RUNNING THE MEETINGS WHEN THEY CAN'T BE THERE.
I THINK THAT AGAIN, THE CHAIR, I DESCRIBED THE ROLE, THE CHAIR.
IT'S VERY MUCH A PEOPLE-PERSON THING.
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH VOLUNTEERS? SOMETIMES THEY LOSE INTEREST.
SOMETIMES THEY LOSE MOTIVATION.
LIFE GETS IN THE WAY, AND THEIR VOLUNTEER ROLES ARE PROBABLY THE FIRST THING TO GO.
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THE FIRST THING TO FALL TO THE WAYSIDE.IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CHAIR TO THEN ENGAGE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TO KEEP THEM ENGAGED IN THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S WHAT I SEE THE ROLE OF THE CHAIRS.
I WILL NOT BE CONTINUING AS THE CHAIR GOING FORWARD.
IN FACT, MY PLAN IS TO ROLL OFF AT THE END OF THIS YEAR FROM THE COMMISSION.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO DO THIS.
I APPRECIATE KIM AND MOLLY, ALL OF OUR TIME THAT WE SPENT ON PUTTING THIS GUIDING DOCUMENTS THING INTO PLACE.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
NOW I'M GOING TO STAY ON TO WORK WITH MICHAEL A LITTLE BIT ON ANTOINE AND ANYTHING ELSE OVER THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO STEP ASIDE AS YOU GUYS THEN THINK ABOUT SETTING GOALS FOR NEXT YEAR.
>> BRIAN, YOU WON'T STAY THROUGH MARCH? ISN'T THAT THE TERM?
>> YEAH. TECHNICALLY, IT ENDS IN MARCH, BUT I'M CHOOSING TO LEAVE A LITTLE EARLY.
I THINK THAT I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, THAT YOU MADE MAKES SENSE FOR NEW PEOPLE TO BE ON AND BE A PART OF THE PLANNING FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
>> KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE ROLLING OFF ANYWAYS, I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO JUST SAY THAT.
>> I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT BECAUSE A LITTLE OVERLAP JUST SETS EVERYONE UP FOR SUCCESS. HARD TO CUT OFF.
>> THERE AREN'T TERM LIMITS, I MEAN, COULDN'T YOU STAY ON IF YOU WANTED TO PASS MARCH 26TH?
>> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] I COULD DO IT AS A NON-CHAIR OR ALTERNATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR I COULD COME BACK, LIKE MICHAEL, YOU DID.
IT'S JUST A GOOD TIME IN MY LIFE AND MY FAMILY'S LIFE FOR ME TO STEP ASIDE.
>> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, BRIAN.
YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH WORK ON THIS COMMISSION FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON IT.
YOU'VE SET A SUPER HIGH BAR FOR WHOEVER TAKES OVER, AND IT'S A LOT OF THANKLESS WORK.
IT REALLY IS. YOU'VE JUST DONE A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU.
>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT ME.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR AND STUFF LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD.
>> IS THERE A PROCESS FOR I MEAN, DO PEOPLE PUT THEIR NAME IN THE HAT? DO PEOPLE PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION WHY THEY WANT TO BE THE CHAIR, AND THEN, HOW DOES THAT WORK OR IS IT JUST?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU THINK THAT THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IS ABOUT LEADING OTHER PEOPLE.
THEN THE COMMISSIONERS, THE PEOPLE BEING LED REALLY SHOULD HAVE A SAY ON WHO IS GOING TO BE LEADING THEM.
>> IF PEOPLE ARE INCLINED TO RAISE THEIR HAND, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO THAT, PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE PARAGRAPH AS TO WHY THEY'RE SEEKING THE POSITION, AND WE ALL REVIEW THAT. THEN WE VOTE.
>> YEAH, I LIKE THAT. TONIGHT?
>> NOT TONIGHT. I MEAN, GO HOME AND [OVERLAPPING] THINK ABOUT IT.
>> WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S FINAL DECISION?
>> I DON'T, BUT DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS TO THE COUNCIL?
>> YEAH, THIS IS A RECORD. IT'S YOUR COMMISSION.
>> FEELS LIKE TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST LIKE THAT'S JUST A LITTLE QUICK.
I THINK MAYBE WE GO AND TAKE SOME TIME IF YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND FOR YOU, DO THAT, AND PUT TOGETHER A PARAGRAPH AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE, WHAT YOUR VISION IS AND THEN WE VOTE.
>> DO WE TURN IT INTO YOU, JOE? I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING THE CHAIR POSITION.
>> YOU DON'T NEED TO FILL OUT.
>> I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT JANIE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN THE CHAIR POSITION, BECAUSE MAYBE WE'RE OVERCOMPLICATING THIS? [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO. I DID WANT TO SHARE, THOUGH, JUST A THANKS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS COMING.
YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT STEPPING ASIDE OR WHATEVER.
I DID WANT TO EXPRESS MY THANKS, TOO, BECAUSE MEETING AT THE CARIBOU COFFEE, GOOD INTRODUCTION, WE'VE HAD VERY CANDID CONVERSATIONS, AND I THINK MORE OF THAT MOVING FORWARD IS WHAT THE COMMISSION'S ALL ABOUT.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TOGETHER AND GETTING TO KNOW YOU.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION THAT'S NOT HERE?
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>> I SAID IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S ON THE COMMISSION THAT'S HERE TONIGHT AND WOULDN'T HAVE AN INTEREST IN.
>> I'D BE HAPPY TO STEP IN VICE CHAIR POSITION.
IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED, I'M HAPPY TO STEP AWAY.
BUT I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE BASED ON WHO'S INTERESTED AND WHO CAN KEEP LEADING US.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO BE VICE CHAIR?
>> IT'S UP IN MARCH, TOO, I THINK.
I WOULDN'T BE AROUND, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL CONTINUE.
>> I'M IN THE SAME BOAT AS MICHAEL.
I GOT A LOT GOING ON THESE DAYS AT WORK AT HOME AND EVERYTHING, I'D LOVE TO STAY INVOLVED IN THE GOLF COURSE.
>> YOU'D STILL BE INVOLVED THERE.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A FRIENDS OF THE COMMISSION INVOLVED PEOPLE LIKE THAT SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THAT EXPERTISE.
YOU CAN MAYBE A WORKING SESSION,.
>> I'D BE INTERESTED IN AN ALTERNATE POSITION IF THAT'S THE THING.
>> BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND.
>> I'D LIKE TO THANK BRIAN, TOO.
WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS AGREED, [LAUGHTER] OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF YEARS. IT'S GOOD.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
WE COME FROM ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND WALKS AND REPRESENT CERTAIN PEOPLE AND CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS.
WE ENDED UP IN SOME INTERESTING SITUATIONS.
BUT I THINK THE CITY DIDN'T SUFFER AS A RESULT OF IT.
>> I WOULD ECHO, I THINK SPENDING TIME WITH YOU, UNDERSTANDING WHEN ELECTION HAPPENS OR WHEN PEOPLE SWITCH OFF THE SEA CHANGE THAT YOU'VE SEEN OVER THE EIGHT YEARS.
THAT IS A LOT. WE'RE GOING TO START TO FEEL THAT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
>> I'VE BEEN ON FOR 4.5 YEARS, BUT NOT ONLY COMMISSION, THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS CHANGED OVER A LOT.
RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY HAS A LOT OF ENERGY, AND IT FEELS LIKE IT.
BUT IT'S GOING TO START TURNING AND [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MEETINGS, BUT YOU GOT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF PEOPLE'S TIME AN YOU CAN'T WEAR EVERYBODY DOWN.
THAT ENGAGEMENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL ENERGIZED BY IT.
>> I DO THANK YOU BRIAN FOR THAT, EXPLAINING THAT WHERE THINGS HAVE SWUNG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
>> KYM, YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING THE CHAIR?
>> NO. I'M HAPPY TO BE THE VICE CHAIR.
I WOULD PROPOSE THAT JANIE IS THE CHAIR, AND I WOULD BE THE VICE CHAIR FOR US TO ACCEPT THAT TO TAKE TO COUNSEL. DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT?
>> I PROPOSE THAT JANIE AS THE CHAIR AND THAT I'M THE VICE CHAIR. WHO WOULD SECOND THAT?
>> THEN CAN WE VOTE? DO YOU LEAD THE VOTE THEN?
>> I DIDN'T SECOND. I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN.
>> I WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM JANIE ABOUT HOW SHE WOULD TAKE THE CHAIR POSITION AND HOW YOU WOULD MANAGE THAT.
>> WELL, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW OR?
>> MY OPINION IS TO TAKE THIS A LITTLE SLOWER.
>> I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN SKILLS THAT BRIAN EXPLAINED THAT THE CHAIR NEEDS TO HAVE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BETTER UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
I THINK YOU'VE BEEN AN AMAZING COMMISSIONER, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THE VOTE, IF I COULD HEAR MORE ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD APPROACH THE POSITION.
>> WHAT'S THE TIMELINE IN DECEMBER?
>> THEY'LL DECIDE IN DECEMBER?
>> THAT ACTUALLY DOES FORCE OUR HANDLE.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIALLY A FEW PEOPLE ROLLING OFF.
WHAT'S NEXT RECRUITMENT LOOKING LIKE AND DO ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO PUT THEIR HAND THE RING TO BE CHAIR?
>> WHATEVER HAPPENED TO OUR FRIEND?
>> HE'LL PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED NEXT SPRING IN THE CYCLE.
>> SO WE CAN'T PUT SOMEBODY ON?
>> NO, HE LET ME KNOW THAT HE'LL FOLD INTO NEXT SPRING.
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>> IT'S REALLY LIKE A TIMING THING BECAUSE COUNSEL HAS TO INTERVIEW THEM AND SO WE HAVE PUT ON A SCHEDULE TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT EVERY MONTH, ESPECIALLY WITH HOW BUSY THEY ARE WITH BUDGET STUFF RIGHT NOW.
>> I HAD A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, ESPECIALLY IF WE DON'T HAVE AN OPENING RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WHEN I ROLL OFF, THERE WILL BE AN OPENING.
RICK ROLLED OFF, BUT HE WAS AN ALTERNATE, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
DON'T YOU THINK WITH AN OPENING OF A FULL COMMISSIONER THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO FILL THAT BEFORE MARCH, APRIL?
>> POSSIBLY. IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME, AND WE'LL HAVE TO OPEN IT BACK UP FOR ANYONE TO APPLY TO.
>> OH, YOU CAN'T JUST PICK A PERSON.
>> YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, THIS IS OUR FRIEND. WE WANT THEM.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE THIS PERSON JUST ON HIS OWN.
>> YEAH. DEFINITELY HAVE HIS APPLICATION READY.
WHEN WE DO THE INTERVIEWS, I'LL E-MAIL HIM SAYING, ARE YOU INTERESTED? BUT IF WE ARE LOSING COMMISSIONERS, MAYBE THAT WILL BE MOVED UP.
>> I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM JANIE AND FROM KYM.
>> WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT ME TO COME UP? WHAT SKILLS DO YOU THINK THAT I MAY NOT HAVE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR?
>> MAYBE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TO TAKE OFFLINE.
BUT, WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE THE CHAIR? I DON'T THINK IT'S ANSWERING RIGHT NOW.
>> BUT WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE ROLE THAT YOU THINK YOU'LL BE GOOD AT?
>> WELL, I THINK LIKE WHAT BRIAN SAID, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE CHAIR IS SIMPLY TO RUN THE MEETINGS.
I RUN 12 VOLUNTEERS AT THE GARDEN, AND I HAVE A LONG INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, A LONG HISTORY.
>> MAYBE WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
SHE'S JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF, I THINK OF THE COMMISSION.
IT'S LIKE, LET EVERYONE HEAR WHAT JANIE IS ABOUT?
>> I THINK THERE WAS A PAUSE IN SECONDING THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
IF THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE SAYING THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THE ROLE, I'D WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL FOUR.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE FUNCTION.
IT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT ROLE, AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR MORE.
THIS, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE COMMISSION.
>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D ADD TO THE CONVERSATION IS, BRIAN'S BROUGHT A RELATIVE SENSE OF INDIFFERENCE TO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE.
HE HASN'T TRIED TO SWAY THINGS TO ANY ONE POINT OF VIEW OR THE OTHER.
I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE PEOPLE ORIENTED AND HAVE A STRONG PERSONALITY AND HAVE A STRONG IDEA ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, WOULD HAVE A MORE DIFFICULT TIME NOT ATTEMPTING TO USE THE POSITION TO HELP SWAY BACK TOWARDS YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
YOU WERE PROBABLY ONE OF THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE I'VE EVER WORKED WITH, AND THERE'S TWO SIDES OF THAT COIN.
MAN, SHE REALLY GETS A LOT DONE AND THE BAD SIDE IS, OH, MY GOD, SHE SURE GOT A LOT DONE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT, NOW THAT I SAID IT TO YOU, I KNOW YOU WOULD WORK TOWARDS IT.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
NOW ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHO'S HERE.
MOST OF US DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IT'S PRETTY HARD TO GET AROUND THERE, BUT JUST TELL ME, THAT WOULD BE HOW I WOULD ARTICULATE MY CONCERN.
IS THAT YOUR STRENGTH, PERSONALITY, YOUR ABILITY TO LOOK CLEARLY AT SOMETHING AND FOCUS ON IT, IT CAN ALMOST DRIVE OTHER POINTS OF VIEW TO THE SIDE WITH THE WAKE.
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THAT'S THE THING THAT I DON'T THINK THE CHAIRPERSON SHOULD DO THAT.I THINK THEY SHOULD LET IT DEVELOP ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE INPUT.
>> I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THE COUNTER OF THAT IS, I THINK JANIE HAS A LOT OF PASSION AND A LOT OF COMMITMENT.
I THINK THAT CAN BE A POSITIVE BECAUSE, AGAIN, SHE'S LEADING THE MEETINGS AND ORGANIZING THINGS.
SHE'S NOT GOING TO RUN THE WHOLE SHOW WITHOUT US.
TO ME, IT'S A VERY MANAGEABLE WAY TO CHANNEL YOUR PASSION IN A GOOD WAY.
I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, WHICH IS JUST A PLUS IS YOU HAVE SUCH KNOWLEDGE OF NATURE AND PLANTS THAT I THINK COULD COME OUT EVEN A DIFFERENT WAY AS THE CHAIR.
>> BUT I THINK SHE'S GOING TO RUN THE MEETING.
SHE CAN'T REALLY TELL ME AND BRIAN AND MOLLY HOW TO DO THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE.
SHE'LL JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE'RE READY.
I THINK WE SHOULD REMEMBER WHAT BRIAN SAID, SHE'S GOING TO ORGANIZE THE MEETINGS AND BE A PART OF THE MEETINGS EQUAL TO THE REST OF US, AND I THINK THAT PASSION AND THAT FRESH ENERGY, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET NEW PEOPLE IN NEXT YEAR WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH THAT ENERGY LEADING US.
>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I LIKE JANIE.
I THINK SHE'S A WONDERFUL PERSON.
IN SOME RESPECTS, I DON'T WANT TO COME OFF AS THE KAREN IN ALL THIS OR WHATEVER.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I WOULD FOCUS ON HOW SHE DEALS WITH HACKBERRY.
SHE HAS A WAY OF THINKING ABOUT HOW HACKBERRY OUGHT TO GO.
>> YEAH, BUT I THINK HACKBERRY IS A VERY SPECIFIC.
>> I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK JACOB THAT.
>> WELL, NO. I WOULD ASK STAFF AND THE FACT THAT THIS CRAIG BOLTON, I'VE BEEN ON THE SIDELINES OF THIS ONE.
BUT YOU HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT HOW THAT SHOULD WORK, AND YOU'RE NOT GIVING IT UP WHEN IT'S CLEARLY TRIED TO BYPASS YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES ALREADY.
UNLESS I'M SEEING SOMETHING WRONG THERE. I DON'T KNOW.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ON AT ALL.
>> I THINK WHAT I HEAR FROM JANIE ON HACKBERRY IS THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN EMPLOYED OR DEPLOYED AND HOW IT'S MAYBE NOT BEING FOLLOWED TO THE BEST IN CLASS PROCESS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE HAS COMMUNICATION ON US [OVERLAPPING] GETTING TOGETHER MORE, TALKING ABOUT IT MORE.
>> NOT TO GET BACK ON HACKBERRY, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HACKBERRY MORE THAN ANY PROJECT I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH IN MY LIFE, INCLUDING $10 MILLION POOL NEW REC CENTER.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHY WE COME TOGETHER ON THESE PARKS AND WITH THESE IDEAS IS THAT WE BRING THEM, AND IN THE END, WE FIND SOME COMPROMISE, OR WE WORK THROUGH THEM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT HACKBERRY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE RIGHT ONE, BUT I THINK THAT'S HOW THESE PROJECTS END UP GETTING COMPLETED AND GROW AND CHANGE AND ARE FOR THE BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE COMING FROM ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES.
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THAT.
SOME OF THESE THINGS ABOUT HACKBERRY.
WE'VE BEEN IN SOME GOOD MEETINGS AND MADE PROGRESS, AND I'M NOT GOING IN THERE LIKE A BULLDOG AND SAYING, THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
>> MY ONLY THOUGHT ON. [OVERLAPPING].
>> [OVERLAPPING] I GOT THAT FROM MIKE, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN THE PROCESS.
>> WELL, I THINK LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SIDELINES.
MY VIEWPOINT IS CERTAINLY 100% 2020.
BUT WHAT I SEE IS, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT JUST NEVER CAN SEEM TO BE RESOLVED.
I'VE BEEN IN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOT THERE.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS DERAILED AGAIN, BECAUSE SOMETHING ISN'T QUITE RIGHT, LIKE PARKING.
WELL, HOW MANY TIMES ARE GOING TO HAVE A SOLUTION FOR PARKING THAT ISN'T REALLY A SOLUTION? OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A FIELD IN THE MIDDLE? OR ARE WE GOING TO PUT IN A NATURE PARK UP IN THE CORNER? OR LET BASKETBALL GO UP THERE GOES BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH.
YOU AND I HAVEN'T HAD THAT ISSUE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE HAVE COMPROMISED 90% OF THE TIME THAT WE AGREE ALREADY.
THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT CERTAIN THINGS, I WOULD.
AGAIN, I WANTED TO SHARE MY RESERVATION.
WHETHER OR NOT I KEEP IT NEXT WEEK OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW, TOO, I WOULD TRUST YOU THAT ME HAVING SAID THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU THINK ABOUT IT TWICE AGAIN.
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ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO EXPLAIN.>> LET ME JUST SAY YOU'RE GOING TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
THE REASON THAT IF YOU THINK I'M LIKE A DOG ON A BONE OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
IT'S BECAUSE WE BROUGHT THE DATA THAT SHOWED THAT WE NEEDED A DIFFERENT PARKING THING, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING SETUP THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE PLAN.
IN FACT, WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE PLAN DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, JUST NOT CREATE EVEN A BIGGER PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T DECREASE ANY PARKING. THERE'S ADDED PARKING.
>> I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OFF TOPIC FOR THIS AND [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WANT TO BE ABLE TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> REAL QUICK, JACOB. I JUST WANT TO THIS IS GETTING THIS CONVERSATIONS GOING.
IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOIT'S NOT AN INTERVIEW.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN INTERVIEW OF JANIE.
BUT SHE HAD ASKED SOMEONE HAD BROUGHT UP MAYBE WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION.
SHE ASKED WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION YOU NEED, AND NOW WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A THING.
THINK THAT WE'VE JUST ESTABLISHED THAT WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO AHEAD, JACOB AND GORDY OR WHOMEVER WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT I WOULD SAY, FOR A CHAIR, WE DO WANT THAT KIND OF SMOOTH AND STEADY HAND.
JANIE IS ABSOLUTELY MY BEST, MOST PASSIONATE, EDUCATED PARK COMMISSIONER HERE, AND WE PROBABLY BE A VERY GOOD CHAIR PERSON.
BUT YOU DO NEED TO TAKE THAT ROLE TO YOUR STYLE OF THINGS MODERATED.
THEN ALSO ON THE DEFENSE OF HACKBERRY, AND WITH THIS SCHEDULING IS WORK SESSIONS.
I WOULD SO MUCH HAVE RATHER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WHERE WE COULD HAVE SHARED AMONGST ALL OF OUR IDEAS.
WE HAVE INTERACTED WITH PRESIDENTS OF BASEBALL, PRESIDENTS OF FOOTBALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT FOLKS AND TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND THEN HASH THAT OUT DURING A WORK SESSION TO COME UP WITH THE PARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN AT A MEETING HERE THAT WOULD HAVE THEN TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SADLY, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS.
YES, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND SUBCOMMITTEE AND THINGS.
BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FULFILL THAT.
HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH ALL OF US AS THE PARK COMMISSION, SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS, AND PARKING IS A BIG ISSUE.
HACKBERRY IS ONLY A FOUR ACRE PARK.
WE'RE JUST WORKING REALLY HARD TO MAKE IT THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.
THERE'S JUST NOT ALWAYS PERFECT SOLUTIONS.
BUT BOTTOM LINE HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK THAT TOGETHER.
FLUSH THAT OUT THROUGH A WORK SESSION, DO SUBCOMMITTEES, GROUP WORK SESSION, FINALIZE THAT PARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION AT A FORMAL MEETING, THEN TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF OF HACKBERRY, BUT THAT'S FINE BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS A VERY SHORT TIME TABLE IN REALITY TO REDESIGN A PARK OVER THE COURSE OF ONE SUMMER, IT IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.
THAT'S JUST THAT. I HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS. WE ALL DO.
>> TO TACK UNDER THAT, IF WE COULD PLUCK HACKBERRY FOR THE SIDE, BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY WAS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
>> BUT I THINK THAT MODEL IS WHAT WE WANT MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.
>> BUT WE WANT THAT FOR WHATEVER PARK.
>> BUT I DON'T WANT THE WAY HACKBERRY WAS HANDLED.
IT CAN BE BETTER, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, AND IT'LL WORK, BUT IT COULD BE BETTER.
I DON'T WANT THAT PROCESS TO BE PART OF WHAT PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OF JANIE IS BECAUSE I CAN SAY THE LAKE ACCESS, MICHAEL'S SAYING THAT WORKED WELL.
ON THE MONARCH BUTTERFLY, LIKE WE'VE BEEN VERY HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO DIVING UP PLANS.
I'M GOING TO PUT THE WHOLE OVERALL PLAN TOGETHER.
JANIE IS GOING TO LEAD THE PLANTING PART OF IT BECAUSE OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE PLAN HERE FOR THE DEMONSTRATION GARDEN.
I JUST WANT TO BALANCE THIS HACKBERRY PERCEPTION WITH OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN AND HEARD FROM JANIE AS A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE, NOT ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT HACKBERRY ANYMORE.
>> HONESTLY, I THINK JANIE HAS BEEN AMAZING ON THIS.
>> WHAT I THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN OFF, AND I THINK EVERYONE AGREES.
THAT EVERYONE HERE COULD BE A QUALIFIED CHAIR.
NO ONE'S A BAD PERSON, NO ONE'S DOING A BAD JOB.
I THINK FROM WHAT I HEARD IS WHEN YOU HAVE A CHAIR, SOMETIMES YOU HAD TO HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING AS THE BODY OF THE PARKS COMMISSION,
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EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T AGREE WITH.THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING AT.
NOT SAYING THAT JANIE CAN'T DO THAT.
>> SOME THOUGHT. YEAH, THAT'S ALL.
NOT THAT YOU STILL CAN'T BE OR WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS CAN STILL BE AN ACTIVE VOICE. IT'S JUST ONE.
>> I ALSO THINK SHE IS STEPPING UP, AND NONE OF US ELSE ARE, SO WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL WITH HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
>> I THINK SHE WOULD BE GREAT AT SETTING SOME AGENDAS AND THINGS.
>> THE AGENDA IS REALLY SET BY STAFF.
THAT'S NOT SET BY THE CHAIR. THAT'S TRUE.
YOU DO HAVE INPUT JUST LIKE ANY COMMISSIONER DOES.
>> WHAT I DO THINK ABOUT THE AGENDA IS THAT IT'S GOOD FOR ALL OF US AS COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHEN YOU SEND IT OUT EARLY, JOE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDED OR EXPLAINED.
>> THIS IS YOUR GUYS' MEETING.
THIS ISN'T THE CHAIRS MEETING.
THE CHAIR IS NOT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
ISN'T PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA OR NOT BASED ON THEIR VIEWPOINTS.
JOE'S THE ONE WHO RUNS WITH THE AGENDA AT FIRST, AND THEN WE COLLECTIVELY ADD.
>> THAT'S FROM INPUT FROM YOU GUYS AFTER AND THEN INPUT AFTER.
>> I WOULD CHALLENGE WHETHER WE REALLY NEED A VOTE FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THAT IF I WERE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY NEED A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION ON WHO THE CHAIR IS, BUT INSTEAD JUST INPUT.
I DON'T WANT OUR SCHEDULE TO DICTATE THE PROCESS OF GIVING FEEDBACK AND INPUT INTO THIS DECISION.
>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, JUST FOR TEAM DYNAMICS.
>> TO THE COUNCIL WITH SOMEONE EXPRESSED INTEREST.
LET THEM DECIDE BECAUSE IF THE MORE WE HASH THIS OUT, IT'S HARMING OUR TEAM DYNAMICS, I THINK.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO.
IT'S NOT PERSONAL, BUT IT'S SOUNDING PERSONAL.
>> I JUST WANT TO HEAR WHY YOU WANT TO BE CHAIR AND IF EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION WAS RAISING THEIR HAND, I'D WANT TO HEAR WHY.
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE PERSON OR ANOTHER PERSON.
I WOULD THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO HEAR THAT SS WELL.
>> IS THERE A MOTION STILL ON THE FLOOR?
>> THERE IS A MOTION STILL ON THE FLOOR.
>> WE'RE GOING WITH A RECOMMENDATION THEN.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS RECOMMENDATION?
>> THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT JANIE IS THE CHAIR, AND I WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR.
>> I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HEAR WHY.
>> [INAUDIBLE] I CHANGE THE DYNAMIC UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO? IF YOU'RE WILLING TO RUN.
>> I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO. I WOULDN'T BE GOOD AT IT.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT TO RUN.
>> BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR SOMEONE STEPPING UP TO RUN.
THE MORE WE DING THAT ACTION WITHOUT SAYING WE WANT TO RUN.
I THINK WE SHOULD. TWO ABSTENTIONS, AND NOW WE[OVERLAPPING].
>> OPPOSE. PASS IS 1, 02, 3, 4, 5.
>> GUIDING PRINCIPLES. WHO'S IS THIS?
[Commissioner Reports ]
>> DID YOU WANT TO PRESENT THIS, MOLLY, OR KIM?
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>> DID YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS OR IT'S A BRIEF TALK.
>> I THINK [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING DONE.
I TIRED. I JUST WANT TO PROPOSE THIS IS THE FINAL VERSION.
I MADE A MISTAKE, AND I SENT ONE THAT WASN'T COMPLETELY EDITED.
THIS ISN'T THE ONE. THE ONE I WANT YOU TO PUT UP IS THE ONE WITH THE DATES.
BUT I'M GOING TO TALK THROUGH IT IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT.
>> THIS IS NOT THE FINAL VERSION?
>> THEN I TOOK THE SECOND PAGE OUT BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO THE COUNCIL.
>> DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT VERSION? I THOUGHT THIS WAS THIS?
>> IT'S THE ONE I HAD WITH THE DATE ON IT.
THE TITLE PAGE HAS THE DATE JUST TO KEEP THE DOCUMENT IN A GOOD PLACE.
I'M TAKING THE SECOND PAGE OUT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT.
THEN THERE WERE TWO SLIDES THAT HAD THE WORD DRAFT ON SLIDE, I DON'T KNOW IT'S PAGE 20.
>> EXACTLY. 23. YES. SO ALL THE CHANGES ARE, I PUT THE DATE ON, TOOK THE SECOND PAGE OUT, AND TOOK THE TWO DRAFT WORDS OFF.
I WOULD LIKE US TO VOTE ON TAKING THIS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR ALIGNMENT.
IT WAS MORE SLOPPINESS ON MY PART, NOT INSTRUMENTAL CONTENT.
>> WE PROBABLY ALSO NEED A COUPLE OF CHECK MARKS ON HERE.
>> WE WERE TALKING [OVERLAPPING].
>> POSSIBLY DECEMBER, NOVEMBER.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WAS HERE FOR THAT.
>> DECEMBER OR JANUARY. I DON'T KNOW HOW BUSY THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA IS.
I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IT, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW REALISTIC THAT IS GIVEN THEY HAVE TWO MEETINGS THIS MONTH AND ONLY ONE IN DECEMBER.
>> I THINK WE CAN BRING IT IN DECEMBER.
THAT WOULD BE FINE. THAT WOULD WORK GREAT.
OUR FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER.
>> I WILL SEND THE COUNCIL ON A BLIND CC THE VERSION THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>> IS THIS THE VERSION I JUST PULLED IT UP HERE?
>> THAT'S IT. I CAN ADD ANOTHER CHECK AND CHANGE IT TO DECEMBER. WHICH I CAN.
>> WHEN WILL THIS GO TO COUNCIL?
>> WHEN WILL IT BE SENT TO COUNCIL?
>> IT'LL BE IN THEIR PACKET FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING.
>> THE DECEMBER MEETING. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ACTION FROM ANYBODY? I THINK YOU SHOULD SEE YOUR FEEDBACK IN HERE.
JACOB, I KNOW I MISSED LAKE ACCESS POINTS EARLIER, BUT IT SHOULD BE IN HERE NOW.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES UNDER EFFECTIVE GUIDANCE.
>> AGAIN, GREAT WORK, AND THANK YOU, POLLY AND KIM.
>> FOR ALL THE TIME YOU PUT IT.
>> TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SETUP FOR WHAT CHANGE WE'LL HAVE GOING FORWARD.
IT'LL BE PART OF THE ONBOARDING.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK PEOPLE GAVE US.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF OTHER MEETINGS HAPPEN FROM THE FEEDBACK WE GOT.
>> I THINK IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO USE A WORK SESSION OR WORK SESSIONS.
VERY VALUABLE TO GET PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK.
>> ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS?
>> WE VOTE TO ACCEPT THIS DOCUMENT AND TAKE IT TO COUNCIL FOR ALIGNMENT?
>> MOLLY SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS UNDER THE COMMISSIONER REPORTS? [INAUDIBLE] UPDATES.
I'M ON THE SECOND ROUND THAT ONE BIG PACKET THAT CAME OUT AT OUR WORK SESSION THAT HAD ALL THE ACCESS POINTS IN IT.
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WHEN I GOT THAT BIG LONG EXCEL DOCUMENT, I ASSUMED THAT THE END COLUMNS, THE LATEST COLUMNS, WHICHEVER DATES THEY WERE, WERE TRUMPED EVERYTHING FOR IT.BUT I'M ADDING IN NOW THE HISTORY OF IT.
EACH ACCESS POINT WILL HAVE THE HISTORY WITH IT ALONG WITH THE CHECKLIST.
WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE PRESENT THAT AT THE WORK SESSION IN JANUARY, SO WE'LL ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND THEN AND WE'LL HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH IT AS TO WHETHER IT'S SUITABLE FOR LAKE ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC OR NOT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY IN BETWEEN CATEGORIES, RIGHT MIKE?
>> WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THE SUITABLE.
I FORGET WHAT TERMINOLOGY. HANG ON JUST A SECOND.
POTENTIAL RECREATIONAL VALUE EXISTING RECREATIONAL VALUE.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. BECAUSE THE ONES THAT HAVE VALUE, SOME OF THEM ARE BEING USED.
THAT WE GOT EXISTING VALUE NOW.
SOME OF THEM COULD BE CLOSE TO THAT WITH A LITTLE TLC.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WELL, OUR INFORMATION TO THE STAFF WILL BREAK IT DOWN THAT WAY.
AGAIN, THOSE WHERE A COMMENT LIKE THAT'S COMING UP WILL HELP COUNCIL.
ADVISE STAFF ABOUT WHAT TO DO.
>> I'LL STAFF. WELL, TURN IT OVER THEN IT'S IN YOUR.
>> [INAUDIBLE] AS WHAT JANIE'S DISCOVERING, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION WHEN FALL STARTS WITH THIS THING SINCE THE 70S.
SOME OF THOSE REFERENCES GO BACK THAT FAR.
I THINK WHAT OUR PERSON HAS BEEN HER WORK IS CONSOLIDATING ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEN SPLITTING IT UP, SO THEY'RE NOT LOOK THE DEPARTMENTS THERE'S 41 OF THEM.
OF THE 41, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR RECREATIONAL VALUE, SOME THAT AREN'T.
WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM ALL IN THE SAME BREAD BASKET.
THE ONES THAT ARE BEING USED ALREADY OR THE GET THIS KIND OF FEEDBACK.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND THE MOST TIME ON BECAUSE THEY'VE THEY'VE RISEN TO THE TOP OF THEIR OWN VOITION.
THEY'RE ALREADY USING THEM EVEN IF IT HASN'T BEEN.
>> THEN WOULD YOU DETERMINE BY THOSE THREE DEFINITIONS, HOW THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINED?
>> NO, THAT'S NOT REALLY, OUR ROLE. STAFF.
>> BUT THAT WOULD INFORM STAFF AND I THINK EVEN THE EXISTING ONES THAT ARE MARKED NOW WILL HAVE COMMENTS.
>> IF THERE'S A DOCK OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S A WHOLE CHECKLIST PROVIDED TRED PARK.
>> JUST LIKE WE DO THE PARKS, YOU'RE EVALUATING ALL OF THE ASPECTS, NOT JUST IS THIS RECREATION USE OR NOT? YES. YOU'RE OUT THERE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET AS MUCH INFORMATION IT'S HELPFUL.
>> PRESS ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY MARKED, BUT DO NOT HAVE RECREATIONAL VALUE.
>> THERE MIGHT BE. I CAN'T SAY I PUT MY FINGER ON ONE YET.
>> IN WHICH CASE WOULD YOU UNMARK IT?
>> THE ONES THAT THEY PICK TO MARK, THEY MARKED FOR A REASON.
AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER LAYERS TO IT OVER ON FOREST LAY, AND THE MAIN POINT, IT'S BEEN MARKED, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT BEING USED FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT MAY NOT JUST BE THE GEOGRAPHY OF IT.
IT COULD JUST BE THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS CHANGING SOMETHING SO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, IT MAY NEED SOMETHING MORE THAN MARKS.
IF YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ANTI ACCESS USE.
THEIR OPINION ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE WHEN YOU PUT IN MARKERS.
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IT MIGHT GIVE THE PEOPLE A LITTLE MORE CONFIDENCE USING IT.BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO USE SOME PLACE WHERE THEY'RE BEING CHAGRINED ANYWAY SO IT'S REALLY A DELICATE BALANCE, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT CLEARLY RISE.
THEY CAN'T DO ALL 41 AT ONCE ANYWAY.
HOPEFULLY, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO USE THIS SEGREGATION TO HELP THEM, BECAUSE AT LEAST IT'S IN THE THIRDS AND IT'S NOT ALL 41 AT THE SAME TIME.
I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PICTURES NOW, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS.
THEY'LL SAY YOU'RE NUMBER 31 ORCHARD. I KNOW WHERE ORCHARD.
ROAD IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S SOME OF THEM CRYSTAL PAY.
AROUND THERE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE GOING SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, PEOPLE COMING IN AND HAD LOOKED AT IT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GAIN HOW CONFUSED THEY CAN GET.
I THINK WHAT JANIE'S DOING WITH THAT UPDATE IS GOING TO HELP A LOT.
>> I THINK YOU'RE SEEING A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW IT WORKS WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH ORCHARD BEACH.
THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR YEARS.
IT'S BEEN COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS, COMMISSIONERS, CURRENT AND PAST HAVE CITED THAT SPACE, AND NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, CAUSE I THINK THAT A GOOD PROCESS.
>> JUST REALLY HELPS EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE DOING THINGS.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THERE'S ONE OBSCURE ONE.
YOU CAN SAY WE DID THIS WORK, WE STRATIFIED THEM.
THIS IS A CONSCIOUS DECISION, AND I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER A RESIDENT SHOULD.
A LOT OF WORK THOUGH, THANK YOU, BOTH.
>> I'D SAY, BRIAN. SOME OF THEM THAT ARE MARKED THAT WE JUST MAY HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT WHY THEY ARE MARKED THE WAY THEY ARE.
MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE, THE MARKERS ARE FOUR FEET APART, AND IT'S A 30 FOOT WIDE ACCESS.
NEITHER ONE OF US ARE MAKING ANY DECISIONS ABOUT IT.
IT'S JUST GETTING THE DATA AND PROVIDING.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF HALF HISTORY, AGREEMENTS AND LAWSUITS BACK AND FORTH THAT HAVE GONE INTO THOSE SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SUCH A BIG PROJECT AND A LOT OF WORK.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING ON IT AND WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS THAT'S ALWAYS POSITIVE.
>> OTHER UPDATES ON OTHER PROJECTS?
>> I HAD A QUESTION, JOE, FOR THE GOLF COURSE, DID MASTER PLANNING ALLOWS FOR THAT GET INTO THE CIP?
>> NOT AN OVERALL GOLF COURSE RENOVATION, BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIND THAT.
>> WE'RE REFERRING THOUGH TO A MASTER PLAN FOR THE COURSE ITSELF, TO GET A GUIDING DOCUMENT IN PLACE FOR STARTING WITH THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT SUPERINTENDENTS CAN'T MAKE CHANGES AS THEY PLEASE, SO WE CAN FREEZE IT IN A VISION FOR THE COURSE INTO THE FUTURE.
THINKING ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE IT FROM A [INAUDIBLE] STANDPOINT, WITH TWO BOXES AND GREENS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THEN WE COULD ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A MASTER PLAN THAT EXISTS HAS LIKE A TOW ROPE AND IT'S FIRE PITS.
IT'S ALL OF IT. NOTHING ABOUT IT THINKS ABOUT THE GOLF.
I'M THINKING ABOUT MORE OF A GOLF FOCUS MASTER PLAN.
>> I THINK WHAT THE CIP PURPOSE WOULD BE WE'RE HIRING SOMEONE TO COME AND DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN.
I THINK WHAT WE CAN WORK ON IS A MORE FOCUS MASTER PLAN, AND THEN MAYBE KEEP SAYING MASTER PLAN, BUT WHAT THE COMMISSION AND STAFF AND THE CITY IS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THERE AND THEN BRING THAT MAYBE TO A CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF WE BRING IT TO A CONSULTANT, THEY'RE GOING TO.
>> A TESTING IT LIKE AN ACTUAL GOLF COURSE, ARCHITECT WOULD.
THIS IS HERE'S A PLAN FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
WHATEVER SUPERINTENDENTS ARE YOU WANT TO CHIP AWAY AT A FUNDING PERMITTING.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THINK. THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE VERY MINISCULE FUNDING, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT BASICALLY COMES FROM THAT HAS TO COME FROM THE GOLF FUND.
>> BUT THE MASTER PLAN TO GORDY'S POINT, YOU'RE ALL GOING TO GO DOWN THE SAME DIRECTION OVER TIME.
>> IT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE EVERY GOLF COURSE COULD BE.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE THERE, AND IT'S JUST A UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED BEST PRACTICE FOR GOLF COURSE.
>> WE COULD, BUT IF WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.
IT'S RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON.
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IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE KNOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT AT THE GOLF COURSE. IRRIGATION.>> THERE'S HART HALF THIS ALL GOES BACK TO A MASTER PLAN.
YOU DON'T HAVE A IDEA OF WHERE THE COURSE IS SET UP, THEN HOW DO WE PUT IN DRAINAGE AND IRRIGATION? YOU START THE PLAN, THEN GO.
IF WE'RE MOVING TO START TO BUILD OUT A TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN AND SO THAT'S WHAT MAYBE IN A PERFECT WORLD LIKE CITY.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TOO BUT MAYBE A MASTER PLAN, JUST WHAT? IS THAT LIKE TO HIRE GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT? HOW MUCH?
>> TEN TO 15 GRANDS. WHAT WE SPEND ON ALL THESE OTHER PARK PLANS.
YOU COULD PROBABLY GET IT DONE FOR THAT AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD STARTING POINT TO CAST A MORE THOUGHTFUL VISION FOR THIS PLACE INTO THE FUTURE AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD START TO BUILD ON THE CAPITAL NEEDS FOR IRRIGATION.
>> IF YOU HAD A PLAN LIKE THAT IN PLACE, THEN YOU COULD USE THAT BECAUSE IT MAY BE THAT PRIVATE FUNDING WOULD BE A WAY IN.
>> TO REALIZING THIS VISION, AND YOU NEED A PLAN, AT LEAST A HIGH LEVEL PLAN, TO BROACH THAT TOP.
>> IF WERE TO DONATE PRIVATELY, BUT WHATEVER SUPERINTENDENT SHOWS UP, CAN JUST DECIDED TO START MOVING TWO BOXES AROUND, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT UP THERE, AND SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING, BUT IT DOES.
WITHOUT I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE HELPING, BUT IT SHOULD BE GUARD RAILS FOR THAT.
>> IT'S ALSO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LET OUR PARK COMMISSION DEVELOP THE PLAN CURRENTLY.
BUT WHAT IF IN FIVE YEARS, ANOTHER PARK COMMISSION DISAGREES WITH WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO?
>> I'M SAYING WE WOULD HAVE A PROFESSIONAL.
WE WOULD SELECT A PROFESSIONAL TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
>> WE WOULD HAVE WAY MORE WEIGHT IN HEFT THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T JUST CHANGE.
>> GREAT STARTING POINT, START BUILDING MOMENTUM TOWARDS SOLVING.
>> WHAT IS A BIG CAPITAL DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE HAVE NOT WE'RE NOWHERE ON?
>> THIS IDEA OF MAKING IT A MORE PLAYABLE COURSE.
WOULD WE NEED TO GET THE COUNCILS BUY IN? ON THAT BEFORE.
>> WE HAD THE BEST YEAR EVER AT THE GOLF COURSE RIGHT NOW.
SALES WISE OR WHAT THEY MADE, AND WE'RE BARELY OVER BREAKING EVEN.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CAPITAL THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE TO DO LARGE RENOVATION PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
>> THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FIND OTHER OTHER SOURCES TO SOLVE THOSE.
>> BUT TO MALI'S POINT, DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE IDEA TO THE COUNCIL TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THE PROFESSION?
>> YES. DO WE NEED THEIR BACKING TO SAY, WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE PLAYABILITY OF THIS GOLF COURSE? TO WHAT DEGREE, I THINK IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE TO WHAT DEGREE WOULD NEED TO BE DETERMINED, BUT AND HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE GOLF SO THAT WE COULD GET MONEY TO BUILD PLAN.
>> THERE'S THAT SUB TEAM ALREADY COULD TAKE THIS ON.
>> THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN PARKS.
I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED MASTER PLANS IN PLACE FOR ALL OF OUR PARKS AND THEY COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES, AND SO FORTH, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING HERE AT THE GOLF COURSE, ESPECIALLY HERE AT THE GOLF COURSE.
>> THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CIP BECAUSE WE NEED A ROUGH MOWER THAT'S $125,000 THAT WE DON'T HAVE SO THERE'S WHEN WE'RE DECIDING CIP, I HAVE TO WEIGH WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON? ARE WE GOING TO SPEND 20 ON A CONSULTANT FOR THE VISION, WHICH IS IMPORTANT OR TO IMPROVE THE CAR PATH THAT'S GOING OFF A HILL?
>> DOES IT HAPPEN THIS YEAR, THAT'S FINE.
>> LATER, WE SHOULD HAVE THIS IN OUR MIND.
>> I THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW, I COULDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR, BUT DEFINITELY.
>> THIS IS THE WAY GOING FOR THE GOLFING COMMUNITY ON THIS PLAN.
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I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WHICH OF THESE HOLES, WHAT'S BETTER FOR EVERYONE? DIFFERENT FABILITY LEVELS.WE SHOULD THE FOTES GO? SHOULD WE EXPAND GREENS?
>> LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KNOW PREVIOUS PART OF IT TOO.
THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST.
TO IMPROVE THIS, AND WHAT THINGS CAN WE FOCUS ON.
>> ANTON, JUST UPDATE FOR YOU GUYS. WE WENT THROUGH.
WE HAD THE OPEN HOUSE SEPTEMBER AND WE ENGAGED WITH BALTON MINK.
MIKE AND I WORKED WITH THEM AND WITH JOE AND WITH ADAM TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK AND JOEL CAME BACK WITH A DOTHER ITERATION OF THE IDEA AND WHERE DOES THAT STAND NOW.
IT'S JUST THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.
I'D SAY ANTON IS NOT ON THE DOCKET FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A 2027, WHEN WE WOULD LOOK FOR INCLUDING THAT, IF WE'RE DOING ANY UPGRADES.
THAT, OF COURSE, WOULD THEN BE THE PROCESS OF THESE ARE WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
IT WOULD START THAT PROCESS OF REVIEW BEFORE ANYTHING BEFORE IT.
>> IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT, WHERE WE ARE THERE, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PROCESS, I THINK THE PROCESS HAS BEEN GOOD.
I THINK THAT EVERYONE GOT ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE HAD A GOOD INPUT INTO IT AND IT JUST SITS THERE RIGHT NOW.
NO NO ONE'S MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY HEAVY MACHINERY ANY TIME SOON.
>> MUCH SIMPLER PARK PROJECT, TOO, SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING.
IT'S MINOR WE HAVEN'T SHARED THAT WITH THE REST OF THEM.
>> IS THIS YOUR TIME TO SHARE WITH THEM?
>> WE COULD OR I COULD SEND OUT OF WHAT?
>> FEBRUARY OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING 27.
>> THAT'S WHEN WE START START LOOKING AT IT.
>> I THINK MAYBE PROVIDE THE COMMENTS FROM THE OPEN HOUSE AND WHAT NOT.
>> THOSE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ON THE WEBSITE DUB CHECK THAT.
BUT IF NOT, I CAN SHARE THEM WITH YOU GUYS.
>> A COMMENTS. WORKING SESSION, I TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER IDEA OF DOING, ANOTHER PROJECT OF BEING A COMMUNITY GUARD.
SINCE THEN, I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH.
I'M SURE JANIE KNOWS A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN MY RESEARCH.
BUT EVERY TIME I TAKE A LOOK AT IT, IT CHECKS ALL THESE DIFFERENT BOXES WOULD BE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ESPECIALLY AS THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED OUT HERE.
WITH SO MANY PEOPLE LIVING IN MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSES AND HOMES DON'T HAVE PLACES WHERE THEY CAN GO OUT AND THE GREEN MOJO.
I JUST LET YOU KNOW, I INTEND TO KEEP WORKING ON IT, EVEN IF I'M JUST WORKING ON IT ON MY OWN.
I THINK, WE'VE GOT SOME PROPERTY NEAR THE DONATION GARDEN IF IT'S TRUE, AND I WOULD REFER BACK TO JANIE AS FAR AS IF IT WOULD BE COMPAT CERTAINLY COMPATIBLE AND BIG ENOUGH IF IT'S GOING TO HOUSE NINE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THERE SHOULD BE ROOM THERE FOR SOME RAISED GARDEN BEDS AND WHATEVER, BUT I THINK THERE'D BE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THESE APARTMENTS THAT WOULD ENJOY AND ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT YOUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES IS WE WANT TO REACH ALL SEGMENTS OF OUR POPULATION.
THESE ARE PEOPLE MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T GO HANG OUT ON THE PICK.
>> BUILD COMMUNITY. YOU CAN START OUT SMALL TOO WITH THE COMMUNITY SIX BEDS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID OUT IN MOUND BEHIND THE CHURCH ON MAIN STREET THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT PROPERTY BEHIND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THOUGH, IS PROBABLY MAYBE NOT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE DONATION GARDEN WILL BE THERE BECAUSE IT'S SLATED.
WHAT IS IT, JOE? IT'S GOT SEWER.
IT'S SLATED FOR SEWER AND WATER, I THINK THERE WAS A PROPOSAL.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT GOT VOTED DOWN. HAVE TO DO.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO REACH OUT TO TRYING TO THINK.
I THINK ALISA KNOWS A LOT ABOUT IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING SO I COULDN'T SPEAK ON IT,
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BUT THERE'S A BIG EASEMENT THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE GARDEN FOR UTILITIES AND ALL THAT.>> I REMEMBER THAT FROM THE PICK MEETING.
>> I THINK THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THAT PROPERTY BEING OPENED FOR EMERGENCY THINGS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I GUESS IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I AGREE WITH MIKE, I THINK FOOD SECURITY IS JUST AT AN ALL INSECURITY.
IT'S JUST AT AN ALL TIME HIGH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST BRING FOOD TO THE FOOD SHELVES FROM THEIR OWN GARDENS.
THAT'S GOT A LOT OF CHECKING A LOT OF GOOD BOXES.
>> MIKE'S WIFE VOLUNTEERS AT THE GARDEN, AND IT'S QUITE THE SOCIAL.
>> THAT THEY WORK HARD, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF FUN.
>> THOSE PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY OF THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 2011.
>> MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON A LITTLE BIT TOGETHER.
IT WAS FOR THE HEADING TOWARDS THE 60 PERCENT DESIGN PLAN.
ADAM AND JOE WERE THERE, JOEL FROM MOLTEN BANK, JAQUELINE RICKS WAS THERE FOR THE COUNCIL, AND JANE AND I, RACHEL WAS THERE.
THIS IS THE WHOLE CREW. VERY GOOD.
I THINK ADAM DESCRIBED IT THIS WAY.
CURRENTLY, MOLTEN BANK, THEY HAD A LOT OF DRAWINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT PROBABLY AT THIS POINT, WHICH I THINK IS NICE.
ADAM DESCRIBED AS A 15 PERCENT DONE.
NOW HE'S THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS THE 60 PERCENT.
THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR HIGHLIGHTS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING THAT I THINK ARE WORTH SHARING.
IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE DRAWINGS, THERE WAS A SIDEWALK GOING AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER.
IT HASN'T BEEN AN OVERLY POPULAR IDEA WITH FOLKS.
I THINK IT WAS ESSENTIALLY DECIDED THEY WOULD MOSTLY GO ALONG THE EAST END, WHICH IS WILLOW AND THE SOUTH END HEADING TOWARDS THE PLAYGROUND, DETERMINING SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION POINT THERE, MOVE THE BALL ON THAT ONE.
NORTHWEST CORNER WAS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT AND CARRYING ON, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CURVATURE OF YOU HAVE THE ELEVATED PLAYGROUND SPACE WITH THE HILL THAT THE KIDS GO SLEDDING ON.
AS FIELD SPACE GETS IMPROVED AND GRADED TRYING TO MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT NORTHWEST CORNER FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES AND A CONTINUATION.
BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BULLDOZERS OUT TO DO THE GRADING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND TRY TO MAINTAIN SOME SPACE FOR OTHER MORE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE ACTIVITIES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY YOUTH SPORTS RELATED.
IT COULD BE BOCCE BALL, IT COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS.
ONE PIECE THAT DID COME UP, WE'VE WORKED PRETTY HARD TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF FENCING.
WE DO NEED SOME FENCING FOR GUARDING AGAINST FALL BALLS AND WHAT NOT FOR THE KIDS ON THE BENCHES FOR PLAYING BASEBALL.
THE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE GOING TO BE YOUTH FIELDS, TWO OF THEM SOUTH CORNER, NORTH CORNER.
THERE WAS ADDITIONAL FENCING INCLUDED FOR LACROSSE.
WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A SENSE OF HOW LARGE THAT IS AND HOW NEEDED THAT IS.
THERE COULD BE ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT WASN'T PART OF EARLIER DISCUSSIONS, AND THAT CAME UP, SO SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF IS LACROSSE FENCING, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE NORTH STRETCH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARK.
AGAIN, ALL YOUTH ACTIVITIES HERE ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER CHILDREN.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE YOUNGEST OF THE SPORTS.
THE YOUNGEST OF THE BASEBALL, THE YOUNGEST OF THE SOCCER, THE YOUNGEST OF WHOEVER ENDS UP PLAYING THERE, INCLUDING LACROSSE.
DETERMINING THE NEEDS FOR THE FENCING WILL BE SOMETHING, I THINK, OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
PARKING IS ONE OF THE TRICKIER PIECES THERE.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THROUGH FLY FOOTBALL GAMES AND TEA BALL.
I'VE GOT MY OWN KIDS PLAYING THERE.
VERY TYPICAL CAR COUNT IS 60-70.
I THINK SOME CAN EVEN BE HIGHER, MAYBE ALL THE WAY TO 100.
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HACKBERRY JUST CAN'T REALLY SUSTAIN.THERE'S NOT REALLY A PERFECT SOLUTION FOR THAT MANY CARS.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HAS AND WHAT CAN WE DO, WHAT'S BEST? NOW, IN OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WE DO TALK ABOUT HARDSCAPE AND WANTING TO MINIMIZE HARDSCAPE.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH MAKING A BIGGER PARKING LOT IS IT BECOMES HARDSCAPE, WHICH THEN THEN YOU NEED MORE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND THINGS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU JUST START EATING AWAY AT PLAYING FIELDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THAT'S THE TRICKY PART THAT'S COMING UP WITH THE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
THERE IS THE MAIN PARKING METHOD RIGHT NOW IS AN ENTRANCE ON THE NORTH END OF THE PARK, LEADING INTO DIAGONAL PARKING.
CURRENTLY, IT'S DRAWN UP WITH ABOUT 28 SPOTS.
TRADITIONALLY, AND NO ONE THINKS THAT PARKING AT WILLOW IS THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE PARKING FOR ABOUT 50 CARS.
THEN YOU HAVE PARKING ALONG THE NORTH END AND THE SOUTH END FOR AN ADDITIONAL PROBABLY 10 CARS A PIECE, WHICH DOES EQUAL[OVERLAPPING].
>>> NO, ON WILLOW. TRADITIONALLY, HISTORICALLY-
>> PEOPLE JUST PULL IN STRAIGHT.
IT ACCOMMODATES, ESSENTIALLY RIGHT AROUND 50 CAR.
IF WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONCENTRATE SOME PARKING IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK CREATIVELY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'LL WORK.
NOW YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY A FOUR ACRE PARK.
ABOUT 2.5 ACRES IS DEDICATED FOR THE SPORTS FIELD, AND ABOUT A ACRE AND A HALF IS DEDICATED FOR PLAYGROUND, MORE SOFT RECREATION.
THAT'S A GREAT SETUP. IT'S A GREAT PARK. WE ALL LOVE IT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST ONE WE CAN.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME STILL DISCUSSION ON THAT.
WHAT IS THAT? I ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE PARK WITH JOEL WITH MOLTEN BANK.
WE EYEBALLED THE CURVATURE OF THE LANDSCAPE, WE EYEBALLED THE PARKING CONDITIONS, THE FIELDS, ETC.
REALLY GOOD LITTLE INTERACTION THERE.
WE'LL JUST SEE HOW THAT EVOLVES AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE 60 PERCENT PIECE.
JAQUELINE HAD AN IDEA ALSO, BECAUSE WE DID MENTION CREATIVE SOLUTIONS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE UTILIZING THIS PARK.
WE WANT TO HAVE A BETTER PARK IN THE END NOT A WORSE PARK.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, STILL WORKING ON IT.
JAQUELINE'S IDEA, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY CREATIVE AND DEFINITELY ADDS SPACES, AND I THINK SHE IS GOING TO MARCH FORWARD WITH THIS A BIT WAS TO CREATE A ONE WAY ON THE NORTH END WITH ANNUAL PARKING.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD AN ACTUAL COUNT, BUT THAT PROBABLY WOULD SUPPLY A GOOD PROBABLY 25-30 SPOTS, I WOULD THINK, ON THAT NORTH END, JUST UTILIZING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
REMEMBERING THAT THE TREES ON THE NORTH END, WHICH ARE REALLY NICE, GOOD CONDITIONED TREES ARE ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THE STREETS.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, THE LARGE 40-YEAR-OLD TREES, GREAT CANOPY.
THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
THAT IS A GOOD, CREATIVE IDEA, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT LEGS THAT MIGHT HAVE.
I THINK THAT WITH SOME PARKING DISCUSSION, LACROSSE FENCING, NORTHWEST CORNER, AND ADA SIDEWALK, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON TO TRY TO MOVE THIS DESIGN TOWARD 60 PERCENT.
>> I JUST THINK AT THE 60 PERCENT LEVEL, THERE'S STILL ROOM FOR CHANGE.
WE CAN STILL BE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THING.
NOTHING'S REALLY WRITTEN IN STONE AT THAT POINT.
>> ONE NICE THING, I THOUGHT, HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH JOEL MOLTEN BANK.
HE WAS VERY AWARE. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHICH ONE WAS THE HACKBERRY TREE.
HE KNEW ALL THE TREE TYPES, THE LIVELIHOOD.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, HE HAD NO SUGGESTIONS OF REMOVING ANY TREES.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF DEAD ASH TREES, OF COURSE.
THERE'S SOME BIRDS THAT ARE IN A LITTLE BIT DISREPAIR.
PERIMETER TREES ARE THE CANOPY IS PRETTY SOLID, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
>> YES. [OVERLAPPING] THEY HAVE A WHOLE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PERSON WHO WILL.
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WE'VE DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'LL BE PROGRESSING MORE IN FUTURE MEETINGS, BUT THEY'LL HAVE A PLAN FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES AND SHRUBS AND PLANTINGS.>> MAYBE ONE OTHER PIECE WAS IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR THE HARDSCAPE.
THERE IS A LOT OF TALK AT THE MEETING ABOUT GRASS PAVERS.
MAYBE HAVING A DRIVE IN THAT WOULD BE EITHER A GRAVEL OR AN ASPHALT, BUT PARKING SPOTS COULD BE GRASS PAVER.
ALL THIS IS, IS THAT EQUATION, ONCE YOU ADD HARDSCAPE, LIKE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND WITH A SMALL PARK, WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY GIVE UP A LOT OF FIELD SPACE FOR KIDS TO KICK THE SOCCER BALL AROUND BECAUSE NOW YOU GOT A BIGGER PARKING LOT, AND YOU ALSO HAVE A BIGGER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
>> WE LOVE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. MOLLY, YOU DID HAVE A QUESTION.
>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST TOO SIMPLE, BUT IN TERMS OF PARKING LIMITS, CAN YOU LIMIT THE ACTIVITIES SCHEDULE?
>> YEAH, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE THING WE WILL LOOK AT.
>> SO THAT AT ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE MORE THAN X AMOUNT CARS?
>> WE CAN'T LIMIT HOW MANY PEOPLE DRIVE TO AN ACTIVITY BUT IF THERE'S TWO BASEBALL GAMES GOING ON, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING ELSE SCHEDULED THERE.
IF THERE'S A FOOTBALL GAME GOING ON, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW ANYTHING ELSE TO GO ON.
THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF IT, AND THAT WILL COME [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT LIMITING DAYS.
IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
<< A REASONABLE PARKING, HOW MANY?
>> I THINK THAT IS THE CAPACITY.
IF YOU THINK OF IT LIKE IN THE TERMS OF THE BASEBALL CONTEXT.
JOE SAYS YOU'VE GOT TWO TEAMS PLAYING ON THE NORTH SIDE, TWO TEAMS PLAYING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ABOUT 12 KIDS PER TEAM, DEFINITELY, THAT BRINGS US TWO PARK.
WE HAVEN'T SET A CAPACITY PER SAY, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CAPACITY.
FLAG FOOTBALL IS ACTIVELY USING IT, AND THEY'RE THE SAME MODEL, HAVING TWO TEAMS PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER, TWO TEAMS PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER, ESSENTIALLY THAT 12 KIDS TYPE PER TEAM.
YOU'RE AT MAYBE A LITTLE LESS BUT WE'RE AT THAT CAPACITY.
>> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE THERE BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS, IF YOU HAVE A SIX O'CLOCK GAME AND A SEVEN O'CLOCK GAME, AND THEY'RE OVERLAPPING, YOU'RE GETTING BOTH SETS OF GAMES PARKED AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEY CAN'T REALLY HANDLE THAT.
MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STAGGERING WHERE YOU HAVE A GAME THAT STARTS 15 MINUTES LATER, SO YOU CAN GET SOME OF THE FIRST GAME CARS OUT OF THERE.
THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT TO LIMIT THE IMPACT ON THE PARKING THERE, CAUSE AS JACOB SAID, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO.
WE DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY MORE HARDSCAPE THERE AND TAKE AWAY FROM THE FIELD, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ADEQUATE FOR THE GAMES THAT ARE GOING ON.
IT'S A BALANCING ACT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND SOME DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT NOTHING'S GOING TO BE PERFECT.
>> THE IDEA ABOUT HAVING A ONE WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, HOW DOES THAT WORK IF IT'S TWO WAYS ON HACKBERRY WAY? WOULD IT HAVE TO BE ONE WAY ALL THE WAY AROUND?
IT WOULD REALLY IMPACT THE PEOPLE ON THAT SIDE OF HACKBERRY.
>> YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXIT OUT THAT WAY.
>> IT WOULD BE LIKE A DEAD END THEN?
>> EAST SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE?
>> YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO.
YOU COULD GO TO THE END, BUT YOU COULDN'T GO DOWN.
>> WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PARKING AND STAFF, I WOULD JUST PUT IN A PLUG THAT THIS ISN'T JUST FOR GAMES, IT'S FOR PRACTICES.
THERE'S A LOT OF DROP OFF TRAFFIC.
THINK ABOUT THE FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE KIDS ARE BEING DROPPED OFF.
I'M THINKING IF THAT IS A ONE WAY THING, THEN ADD SOME PLACE TO EASILY DROP OFF AND THEN GET OUT OF THERE.
>> IT WAS A VERY EARLY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, SO IT'S BEING LOOKED AT.
>> WAS THERE A DEADLINE FOR A GRANT?
>> ADAM MALAY SUBMITTED THE GRANT.
THE GRANT PROPOSAL IS REALLY JUST FOR THE FIELD SPACE.
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IT'S FOR THE BASEBALL FIELDS IN THE FIELD IN BETWEEN, WHICH PRETTY MUCH IN THIS DESIGN IS THERE, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED, HOW IT'S SITUATED, IS STILL CAN BE ADJUSTED, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE? TWO BASEBALL FIELDS, A MULTI USE FIELD.THAT'S ALL WE NEEDED FOR THE GRANT AND THAT'S IT.
>> WHEN DO YOU GET THE ANSWER ON THAT?
>> I THINK HE SAID JANUARY, WE MIGHT KNOW, AND THEN THEY'LL ANNOUNCE IT TO THE PUBLIC SHORTLY AFTER. APPRECIATE THAT.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? JANIE, YOU HAVE A LIST.
>> I WENT TO THE LONG LAKE WATER ASSOCIATION PRESENTATION LAST WEEK.
THAT WAS REALLY A GOOD PRESENTATION.
TALKS ABOUT THE WHOLE WATERSHED, STUFF THAT GOES AROUND THE PARKS AND THE INVASIVE SPECIES AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S ALL. I'D SAY, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO NEXT YEAR, I'D HIGHLY SUGGEST.
>> DO YOU KNOW IF IT WAS VIDEO TAPED?
>> YEAH, IT SHOULD BE ON THEIR SITE, THE LONG LAKE WATER ASSOCIATION.
I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THIS CHAIR THING.
MANY OF YOU KNOW ME AS PROBABLY AN ACTIVIST.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR YEARS, I'VE BEEN PRETTY VISIBLE IN THIS CITY AND LED SOME CHARGES.
WE COULD HAVE HAD CELL TOWERS AT A FEW OF OUR PARKS.
WE COULD HAVE PICKLEBALL AND MOUNTAIN BIKING, AND WE COULD HAVE ICE RINK AND ALL OF THIS STUFF.
THE THING IS, FOR ME, PERSONALLY, WHEN I'M IN MY ACTIVISTS STAGE, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT BELIEVER IN KEEPING OUR GREEN SPACES OPEN, THE ONES WE HAVE, BECAUSE ONCE THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE.
I THINK SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED, WERE NOT BAD PROJECTS AT THE GOLF COURSE, BUT THE GOLF COURSE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE WHAT IT IS TODAY, AND ITS HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OVER THERE SO FAR.
I WAS ON THAT DOG ON THE BONE OR BONE ON THE DOG, OR WHATEVER IT IS, ON THAT, TOO.
I DO HAVE THAT SIDE OF ME, AND WHICH IS PROBABLY THE SIDE THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN ME AT MEETINGS AND TALKING AND PETITIONS AND WHATNOT.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RELATING TO.
I THINK I HAVE A GOOD RECORD RUNNING THE GARDEN FOR SINCE 2016 AND VOLUNTEERS.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY THAT I PROBABLY HAVE A REPUTATION FROM A STANDPOINT OF STANDING UP FOR THINGS THAT I BELIEVE IN.
>> I WENT TO WASHINGTON, DC, AND THAT'S JUST WHO I AM.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHO I'M GOING TO BE SITTING UP HERE.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
>> I WILL. THE CHAIR WILL SECOND AND ALL IN FAVOR.
>> OPPOSE? MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.