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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND DECLARE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT WE GOT EVERYONE PRESENT HERE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'LL START THE MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> WELL, THANKS FOR BEARING WITH US ON A COUPLE MINUTE LATE START.
WE HAD A GOOD WORK SESSION AHEAD OF THIS THAT WENT RIGHT UP TO THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
ANYWAY, WE HAVE BEFORE US AN AGENDA,
[Approval of Agenda]
INCLUDING A CONSENT AGENDA THAT HAS 11 ITEMS ON IT, CITY COUNCIL MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, CLAIMS AND BILLS, UPCOMING WORK SESSION SCHEDULE, 2024 FUND TRANSFERS, RESIGNATION AND RECRUITMENT OF A PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE WORKER, REHABILITATION OF LIFT STATIONS 4 AND 27, STREET IMPROVEMENTS TO BROWN ROAD NORTH, ENGAGEMENT OF LEGAL DEFENSE SERVICES, SEASONAL WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, PURCHASE OFFICE FURNITURE AND APPOINT SEASONAL EMPLOYEE FOR 2025.WOULD ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL CARE TO PULL ANYTHING OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATIONS?
>> NUMBER 3, UPCOMING WORK SESSION SCHEDULE.
>> I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 8 AND NUMBER 10.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THE OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS?
[Consent Agenda]
I WILL CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 1, 02, 4, 05, 6, 09, AND 11.>> NONE. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
>> WE SHOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[Public Comments]
>> WE SHOULD. PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR KEEPING ME ON STRAIGHT LINE.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.
WE ASK YOU TO TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT ORONO RESIDENTS BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FIRST, BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS WELCOME, AS WELL.
ANY ORONO RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.
>> RICHIE ANDERSON, I LIVE AT 32 HILLSIDE ROAD.
LAST MEETING THAT I WAS HERE, I TALKED ABOUT THIS LICENSES FOR RENTAL WATERCRAFT THAT ARE LAUNCHING AT PREDOMINANTLY NORTH ARM AND MAXWELL BAY.
JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, ADAM GOT A LETTER FROM THE LMCD EXPLAINING HOW THINGS WERE GOING TO GO.
IN TALKING WITH ADAM LAST MEETING, HE SAID THAT YOU HAD TO PURSUE THIS THING.
I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP AGAIN.
IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, I KNOW IT'S IN THE BETTERMENT OF THE RESIDENTS.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO PURSUE.
THAT'S JUST IT. I WAS THINKING OUT LOUD.
>> I HAVE A CANDLE, BUT I [INAUDIBLE]
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 1295 ELMWOOD AVENUE.
I FIRST WANT TO WELCOME THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I HAVE A BACKGROUND, AND I'M GOING TO READ THIS QUICKLY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO COVER IN THREE MINUTES.
FOREST LAKE IS A BAY ON LAKE MINNETONKA, LOCATED WITHIN THE ORONO CITY LIMITS.
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IN MIDSUMMER 2024, SOME RESIDENTS EXPERIENCED A LARGE AREA OF WEEDS COMING IN OR NEAR SHORE.A LETTER DATED JULY 16TH WAS PLACED IN OUR MAILBOX, REFERENCING CUT FLOATING WEEDS PRESENTED AS MILFOIL, WHICH WAS LIKELY COONTAIL.
ON AUGUST 9TH, A GROUP OF RESIDENTS INITIATED A PETITION TO FORM A LAKE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, LATER REFERRED TO AS LID.
BY AUGUST 24TH, A GROUP REPORTED SURPASSING THE 51% SIGNATURE THRESHOLD.
AUGUST 26TH, ERIC EVENSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LAKE MINNETONKA ASSOCIATIONS, PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL THAT FOREST LAKE WAS INTERESTED IN FORMING A LID.
THE PURPOSE OF FORMING A LID IS TO CREATE A TAXATION BASE AND TO FUND BAY WIDE TREATMENT OF INVASIVE WEEDS.
SECOND PAGE, THE POINT INTERCEPT SURVEY CONDUCTED BY FRESHWATER SCIENTIFIC SERVICES WAS COMPLETED ON AUGUST 14H.
PRELIMINARY RESULTS OF THE SURVEY WERE RELEASED IN MID NOVEMBER, AND FULL RESULTS WERE MADE AVAILABLE IN JANUARY OF 2025, WELL AFTER THE AUGUST PETITION WAS SIGNED.
THE SURVEY RESULTS SHOW THAT MILFOIL IS NOT WIDESPREAD IN FOREST LAKE.
YOU'LL SEE TO THE LEFT THE MILFOIL TO THE RIGHT, THE COONTAIL.
NATIVE COONTAIL IS PERVASIVE IN FOREST LAKE AND CANNOT BE TREATED.
NATIVE COONTAIL IS WIDESPREAD IN THE BAY, LACKS ROOTS, AND MOVES FREELY, AND IS LIKELY THE CAUSE OF THE FLOATING WET ISSUE, OFTEN MISTAKEN FOR MILFOIL.
THE SURVEY SHOWS MINIMAL INFESTATION OF MILFOIL.
THE DNR WILL ONLY APPROVE SPOT TREATMENT TO CONTROL THE MILFOIL.
BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY SURVEY RESULTS AVAILABLE IN NOVEMBER, A SECOND PETITION OPPOSING THE FORMATION OF LID AND FOREST LAKE WAS COMMENCED BY MID DECEMBER, A MAJORITY OF THE LAKE SHORE RESIDENTS SIGNED A OPPOSITION OF FORMATION OF LID IN THE TABLE BELOW.
THERE ARE 94 PARCELS, 50 SIGNATURES, 53%, 46% OF THESE THAT HAD SIGNED THE ORIGINAL PETITION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FORM IT.
WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THE CITY OF ORONO NOT TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION ON THE FORMATION OF A LID ON FOREST LAKE.
I HAVE A COPY OF ALL THE NAMES AND THE SIGNED PETITION HERE FOR THE RECORD.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM ORONO TO ADDRESS US? YES, MA'AM.
>> I AM KENDALL NYGARD, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF FLORIDA, 5658 JUDITH ROAD, BOKEELIA, AND 1386 REST POINT ROAD IN ORONO.
I APOLOGIZE. I AM A CHRONIC PAIN PATIENT, AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO EVEN MAKE IT HERE TODAY.
BUT I AM SO PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO TALKING TO FOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO, I HOPE, HAVE THE INDEPENDENT, ANALYTICAL, LOGICAL, FAIR MINDED ATTITUDE ABOUT OUR CITY THAT HAS BEEN LACKING IN MY ESTIMATION FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
MRS. BARRETT, MRS. WINNIK, I EXCLUDE YOU FROM THIS AS YOU ARE APPOINTED.
AND YOU HAVE SUCH A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR EVERYTHING I'M ABOUT READY TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
PLEASE, IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING RELATED TO KENDALL NYGARD OR JAY NYGARD, COULD YOU PLEASE RECUSE YOURSELF? IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU HAVE INTIMIDATED MY FAMILY AND SAID NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT MY FAMILY, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PRESENT THOSE AT A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE REMAINING FOUR OF YOU, IT WAS 880 DAYS AGO THAT UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, I WAS CRIMINALLY CHARGED FOR THE HORRIFIC CRIME OF HAVING A DRIVEWAY AND AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED THAT APPARENTLY NEEDED A ONE-AND-FIVE-EIGHT INCH LIP ON THE DRIVEWAY.
MY HUSBAND, JAY, WHO I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO FOR 33 YEARS, WAS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THIS PROJECT.
I HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
I WAS SIMPLY THE INVESTMENT PARTNER TO MY HUSBAND.
EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS AGO,
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I JUST MIRACULOUSLY CAME HOME TO MINNESOTA FROM FLORIDA AND FOUND OUT THAT I WAS BEING CRIMINALLY CHARGED FOR THIS DRIVEWAY.NOW WE ARE AT THE POINT WITH ORONO, WHERE I AM IN A POSITION TO BE TAKING YOU TO THE APPELLATE COURT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
JUST TO REMIND YOU FOLKS, THAT'S ONE STEP DOWN FROM THE US SUPREME COURT.
THERE WILL BE THREE JUDGES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WHO WILL BE DECIDING THE MERITS OF MY CASE.
I THINK THERE'S A PRECEDENT IN ORONO OF TAKING FEMALE PARTNERS WHO SIMPLY OWN A PROPERTY AND NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORK BEING CONSTRUCTED AND CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE THEM FOR ALLEGED VIOLATIONS.
THE CRAZY THING ON THIS ONE IS THE PERMIT WAS NEVER ISSUED.
IT IS AMAZING TO ME THAT IF YOU LOOK IN THE CITY, ADAM EDWARDS, RECORDS, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE BEING REJECTED OR APPEALABLE OR WHATNOT.
MARCH 17TH, I WILL BE PRESENTING MY CASE TO THE APPELLATE COURT JUDGES.
YOU WILL HAVE 30 DAYS OR SO TO RESPOND, AND THEN I WILL HAVE 21 DAYS AFTER THAT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS CAMPBELL KNUTSON HAS SPENT UP TO $85,000 ON THIS LITIGATION.
THAT IS TAXPAYER DOLLARS BETWEEN THE CO-INSURANCE AND THE LMCIT FUNDS, THAT'S $85,000.
MY QUESTION TO YOU AS A COUNSEL IS, ARE YOU GOING TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY OF OUR TAXPAYER FUNDS TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROCESS? IF SO, KEEP IN MIND, IF I PREVAIL AT THE APPELLATE COURT, IT WILL GO BACK TO THE LOWER COURT.
IT WILL GO TO A JURY TRIAL EVENTUALLY.
I DON'T THINK $85,000 AT A FEDERAL COURT LEVEL IS GOING TO COVER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION ISSUE.
FOUR OF THE FIVE OF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
MR. MADDOCK, I'M GOING TO CALL YOU OUT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IN OCTOBER OF 2015, WHEN I WAS A CORPORATE EXECUTIVE AT AMERIPRISE, A FORTUNE 250 COMPANY, YOU HAD THE GALL TO GO ON RECORD ON A NATIONAL FOX NEWS ARTICLE AND TELL THE NATION THAT MY HUSBAND AND I HAD A HISTORY OF BEING BAD NEIGHBORS.
YOU HAVE NEVER LIVED NEAR ME, HAVE YOU? NO, YOU HAVE NOT.
SO HOW WOULD YOU KNOW I HAVE A HISTORY OF BEING A BAD NEIGHBOR? DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTED MY CAREER? NO, YOU DO NOT. HAVE YOU ASKED THE EXECUTIVES AT AMERIPRISE HOW THAT AFFECTED MY CAREER? NO, YOU HAVE NOT. THIS, MY FRIENDS IS WHY I'M HERE.
I AM COMMITTED TO THE BITTER END.
THIS IS AN ABUSE OF JUSTICE, AND I STAND WITH MY HUSBAND OF 33 YEARS.
I AM GOING TO FIGHT IT TO THE BITTER END.
YOU, MR. MADDOCK, AND CAMPBELL KNUTSON, SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR MY HUSBAND OR ANY NEGOTIATIONS ON THIS MATTER. I WANT IT TO END.
IT WILL BE 2,000 DAYS BY THE TIME WE'RE IN COURT, FOLKS.
THAT'S 2,000 DAYS OF MY LIFE I WILL NEVER GET BACK.
I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO ERASE THIS CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF ME, AND NOW THIS CIVIL MATTER FROM MY RECORD FOR 2,000 DAYS BY THE TIME WE ARE SITTING IN COURT.
I ASK THE FOUR OF YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVES TO CONTINUED LITIGATION THAT ONLY TAKES TAXPAYER FUNDS AND PROFITS CAMPBELL KNUTSON, WHO IS CURRENTLY THE LITIGATORS ON THIS, ADAM EDWARDS, IF YOU'RE COUNSELING THIS COUNSEL, YOU NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A WRONGDOING HERE, THAT A WOMAN THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DRIVEWAY GOT CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED FOR IT.
I WAS IMMEDIATELY WITHIN A HALF HOUR OF THAT CRIMINAL TRIAL.
IT WAS SET ASIDE FOR LACK OF PROBABLE CAUSE, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT THE ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT INVESTIGATE, DID NOT LITERALLY INVESTIGATE.
THEY JUST RUBBER STAMPED AND SENT ME ON TO PROSECUTION.
THE ONE THING ABOUT ME IS, I DON'T GIVE UP.
I WILL FIGHT, AND I WILL NOT ADMIT TO COMMITTING A CRIME I DID NOT COMMIT.
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THIS CITY PUT ME IN THAT POSITION, AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT. THANK YOU.>> ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3 ON THE AGENDA IS OUR UPCOMING WORK SESSION SCHEDULE.
[3. Upcoming Work Session Schedule]
ADAM, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE WORK SESSION SCHEDULE, PLEASE? THANK YOU. IT'S NICE TO BE IN A QUORUM BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN WE CAN DISCUSS UPCOMING IDEAS FOR WORK SESSIONS, WHICH IS WHY I PULLED THIS.
ESSENTIALLY, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 10 UNLESS THAT'S CHANGED.
ADAM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STAFF? NO.
>> I WANTED TO FLOAT AN IDEA, AND IT'S BASED IN PART ON THE RECENT TRAINING AND CONFERENCE I WAS AT.
I THINK ONLY COUNCIL WAS AT LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES TRAINING LAST WEEK.
IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO FOLKS FROM OTHER CITIES BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU LEARN ABOUT ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES IN DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS OUT THERE.
WE WERE DISCUSSING ENGINEERING FIRMS AS PART OF THIS, CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRMS, AND I KNOW THAT MULTIPLE FIRMS EXIST.
WE HAVE USED BOLTON & MENK A LOT, BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO ENTERTAIN A WORK SESSION ON DISCUSSING RFPS.
FOUR OUT OF FIVE, AND I'VE BEEN HERE TWO YEARS, AND I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN THAT SHORT OF A TIME TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION AROUND THE PROCESS FOR RFPS AS IT PERTAINS TO ENGINEERING PROJECTS.
JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE BEING RIGOROUS AND ALLOWING COMPETITION INTO THIS PROCESS.
JUST AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS, A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, WHATEVER THAT TAKES SHAPE.
I'M OPEN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO FLOAT IT BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I HAD DURING THE CONFERENCE.
>> YOU JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE DO RFPS?
>> HOW WE DO IT, AND WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WANTED TO ENTERTAIN NEW COMPANIES IN THE FUTURE, HAVE THEM PRESENT TO COUNCIL. HOWEVER THAT WOULD WORK.
>> THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON ENGINEERING FIRMS?
>> DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT CAME UP.
SIMPLY BECAUSE, WELL, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIG PROJECT RIGHT NOW AS WERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE TO, AND I KNOW, HAVING BEEN UP TO DULUTH LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES, THERE ARE OTHER FIRMS UP THERE, SO THAT'S WHERE IT ORIGINATED.
I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE VENDORS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO JUST BE RIGOROUS ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND ENTERTAIN THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT GOING FORWARD.
>> ARE YOU LOOKING TO FOCUS IN ON RFPS FOR SERVICE CONTRACTS, CONTRACTS IN GENERAL?
>> I CERTAINLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ENGINEERING FIRMS JUST BECAUSE THAT IS ONE THAT HAS COME UP FREQUENTLY IN THE PAST.
AGAIN, IF OTHERS HAVE OTHER IDEAS.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE DO OUR RFPS, AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT ON A BROADER BASIS THAN JUST [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT OUR THRESHOLDS ARE FOR GETTING THREE BIDS AND THAT SORT OF THING, I THINK COULD BE COVERED IN THAT AS WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> I THINK IT'S GOOD. ARE WE ABLE TO ADD ANOTHER ITEM TO THAT WORK SESSION DATE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS FIRE SERVICE COVERAGE, AND FOR THE CITY OF ORONO, WHAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY COVERING THE CITY OF ORONO, AND DOES IT ALL MAKE SENSE BASED UPON GEOGRAPHY AND RESPONSE TIMES? WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO A POTENTIAL WORK SESSION DISCUSSION.
>> I GUESS MY ONLY CAUTION WOULD BE THAT WILL BE A PRETTY BIG TOPIC FOR TO SHARE IN A 45-MINUTE TO HOUR PERIOD.
WE MIGHT WANT TO DEDICATE A PERIOD TO A DISCUSSION LIKE THAT.
>> THERE'S AN OPENING ON JUNE 9TH.
>> IF THAT ONE WOULD NEED TO, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A TIME FRAME OR AN URGENCY TO THE RFP IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL FEELS WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IN THE NEAR TERM.
BE OPEN TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT I'M OPEN.
I DON'T HAVE A TIME FRAME FROM THE RFP.
I JUST THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
>> FEELS LIKE THE FIRE DISCUSSION IS MORE TIME SENSITIVE.
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>> YEAH. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY?
>> YEAH, REALLY THE ENTIRE CITY, JUST TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE SERVING, WHAT AREAS OF ORONO AND MAKING SURE THAT IT CONTINUES TO MAKE SENSE BASED UPON RESPONSE TIMES AND THE AVAILABILITY OF FIRE SERVICES AND COMMUNITIES AROUND ORONO, AND WHAT MAKES SENSE JUST TO REVIEW THAT.
IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'D WANT TO PURSUE BASED UPON THAT DISCUSSION, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FORMALLY MOVE ON THOSE.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD MOVE RFPS, MAYBE TO JUNE 9TH MEETING AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MARCH 10TH.
>> YEAH. UNLESS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RFPS SOONER, THE MAY 12TH CITY GOALS AND VISION DISCUSSION IS NOT NECESSARILY TIME SENSITIVE.
THAT'S MORE OF A COUNCIL DRIVEN THING.
SOCIAL MEDIA POLICIES AND PROCEDURES COULD ALSO FLEX.
HOWEVER, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SAW AS THE PRIORITIES BETWEEN THOSE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS AS FAR AS NEAR TERM ITEMS.
>> ALISA, YOU'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT FOR US TO MOVE IT UP TO MAY 12TH SINCE CITY AND GOALS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD?
>> I FEEL LIKE OUT OF THOSE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY IS MAYBE LESS IMPORTANT.
WELL, I GUESS, ADAM, ARE WE LOOKING TO DO ANY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF WOULD RFP BE BETTER TO HAVE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER GIVEN WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO?
>> IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON HOW WE DO RFPS AND HOW THE NORMAL PROCESSES WORK, THEN YES, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S A QUESTION THAT COUNCIL HAS IN MIND.
SPRING IS WHEN WE DO A LOT OF AWARDS.
YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. LET'S DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IN MY OPINION.
>> MAYBE WE COULD JUST MOVE DOWN CITY GOALS ENVISION, JUST SLOT IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND PUT RFP IN MAY 12TH.
>> YEAH. DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT?
>> THE BEST WE CAN DO, I THINK WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION TO CHANGE THOSE.
>> NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION.
SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION AND ADOPT THE PLAN AS AMENDED.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE PLAN AS WE'VE DISCUSSED.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEN, WE'RE DOING FIRE ON MARCH 10TH.
>> CITY GOALS ON JUNE 26TH AND SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY ON JUNE 9TH.
>> GREAT. MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN? MOTION CARRIES.
[7. Street Improvements - Brown Road N (25-002) - Award]
WHICH IS STREET IMPROVEMENTS TO BROWN ROAD NORTH.>> WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS I WAS LOOKING AT THE $43,000 FEE FOR CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT.
I'M WONDERING, IS THAT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY DO WITH THE PROJECT IS HAVE AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE OR OVERSIGHT COMPANY WATCHING OVER SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I GUESS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, THIS IS FOR A ROAD PROJECT, AND I'M LOOKING FOR CLARITY AND EDUCATION ON THIS.
THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE HIRED PEOPLE TO PUT A ROAD IN THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE EXPERTS AT THIS, YOU DON'T JUST WALK IN OFF THE STREET AND SAY, I'LL DO A ROAD FOR YOU.
>> THEY ARE, BUT THEY ARE CONTRACTORS, AND THEY NEED TO BE MANAGED ON A DAILY BASIS.
>> THEY'RE NOT VERY GOOD AT MANAGING THEMSELVES, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> THE BETTER GENERALS ARE GOOD AT MANAGING THEIR STUBS AND MANAGING THEIR PERSONNEL, BUT THE REASON THAT WE HAVE A SITE ENGINEER OR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER ON SITE IS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE BUILDING WHAT WE'RE PAYING THEM TO BUILD, THAT THE UTILITIES ARE GOING IN AS DESIGNED AT THE PROPER DEPTH, THE PROPER SLOPES TO ENSURE THAT, IN AN EXAMPLE OF A ROAD PROJECT, THAT AS THE ROAD IS BEING BUILT AND ITS BASES THAT THOSE ARE BEING DONE PROPERLY.
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THEY ALSO DO THE ADMINISTRATION OF COLLECTING ALL OF THE TESTING DATA THAT WE GET ON THE VARIOUS MATERIALS THAT COME IN.THEY BASICALLY MANAGE THAT PROJECT, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AS AN IN HOUSE CAPABILITY THAT WE CAN DEDICATE SOMEBODY TO 10-12 HOURS A DAY OVER A SIX OR SEVEN WEEK PERIOD.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, AND I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO WHO WE USE.
I'VE NOTICED THAT THIS IS BOLTON & MENK AGAIN.
WHY FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST COINCIDENCE, DO WE CONTINUE TO USE BOLTON & MENK?
>> BOLTON & MENK, WE HAVE THEM ON CONTRACT.
THEY ARE CONSULTING ENGINEERING FIRM.
>> WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM?
>> FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, IT SAYS THAT THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE GO TO?
>> IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE IN THAT MANNER, BUT THEY ARE THE FIRM THAT WE USE FOR ALL OF OUR ROUTINE PROJECTS.
>> WE WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW, AND THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACT.
MAYBE WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES FOR THAT WORK SESSION, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE COUNCIL ACTIONS I PREPARED IN THEIR PROPOSALS, THOSE ARE WORK ORDERS ON THAT EXISTING CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH THEM.
IN THAT CONTRACT, WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED HOW THEY WILL DO VARIOUS ACTIVITIES AND WHAT VARIOUS RATES THEY'LL CHARGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S ALL NEGOTIATED WHEN WE DO THE SERVICE CONTRACT.
IT'S NOT SUPER DISSIMILAR FROM OUR OTHER SERVICE CONTRACTS, LAKE LEGAL, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
>> THE 43,000 THAT THEY WOULD BE CHARGING IS BASED ON AN HOURLY RATE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED, AND THEY ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF HOURS THEY NEED TO TAKE?
>> YEAH. IF YOU LOOK IN THEIR PROPOSAL, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID, BUT 45 DAYS 10 HOURS A DAY, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT.
THEN ALSO, FOR CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT, IF WE NEED SURVEY SUPPORT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF CONTRACTORS PUT SOMETHING IN THE RIGHT SPOT, OR NOT, THEN WE USE THEIR SURVEYORS TO DO THAT, SO THEY COORDINATE AND ORGANIZE THAT FOR US.
>> ADAM, HAS EVERY ROADS PROJECT HISTORICALLY REQUIRED THIS POSITION?
>> FOR THESE LEVEL OF PROJECTS.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN WE'VE DONE PERHAPS JUST A SURFACE TREATMENT PROJECT, WHERE IT'S MUCH MUCH SIMPLER, WHERE WE'RE REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE USING THE RIGHT MATERIAL AND THEY PUT IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
THEN WE HAVEN'T [INAUDIBLE] SOME OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES USED STREET STAFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO DOUBLE CHECK.
BUT FOR A ROAD PROJECT, WHERE WE'RE DOING A FULL RECLAMATION ON A MUNICIPAL STATE AID ROAD, ALSO IN CONCRETE WORK AND STORMWATER WORK, YES, WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE CONSTRUCTION REPRESENTATIVE JUST TO REPRESENT US.
>> IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T A REDUNDANT FUNCTION INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE OTHER CONTRIBUTING BIDS TO THE PROJECT? WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT VALLEY PAVING HAS A PROJECT MANAGER TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT GOOD AT IT.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THAT FUNCTION RESIDES AS WITH BOLTON & MENK.
>> WELL, IN THE EXAMPLE LIKE VALLEY, WHO'S THE RECOMMENDED CONTRACTOR, THEY WILL HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER, AND THEIR JOB IS TO DELIVER THE CONTRACT THAT THEY'VE WON.
OUR CONSTRUCTION REP IS THERE TO REPRESENT THE CITY'S INTEREST AND TO ENSURE THAT THAT CONTRACT IS EXECUTED AS WE'VE AGREED.
>> I GUESS LIKE CLAIRE SAID, I FEEL LIKE [OVERLAPPING].
>> IN THE INDUSTRY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CONSTRUCTION REP.
SOME BIG CITIES HAVE THAT KIND OF CAPABILITY INTERNAL TO THEIR STAFF.
IN SMALLER CITIES, YOU USUALLY CONTRACT THAT SERVICE WITH YOUR ENGINEERING FIRM.
DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PROJECT REQUIRE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF OVERSIGHT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WHERE WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY ON SITE EVERY DAY AND THEN YOU SEE YOU'LL SEE A SMALLER PROPOSAL.
>> IS PART OF IT BECAUSE IT'S A MINDA PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT LEVEL?
>> THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT IS A STATE END PROJECT WITH MATERIALS TESTING AND SOME OTHER RULES BECAUSE WE ARE USING STATE MONEY TO DO THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
YES, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THE PROJECT ENGINEER DO IS COMPILE ALL THAT STUFF AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING IT OFF TO THE STATE AND MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
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>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 7?
>> IF NOT, ARE WE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS ON BROWN ROAD NORTH.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8,
[8. Engagement of Legal Defense Services]
ENGAGEMENT OF LEGAL DEFENSE SERVICES.>> THANKS. I PULLED THIS ONE BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION OR EDUCATION FOR MYSELF.
THE FIRM, WHICH IS LGN, LOCKRIDGE GRINDAL NAUEN, IS THIS A FIRM THAT WE'VE USED BEFORE?
>> IT IS NOT. MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED THEM BEFORE.
I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT EXPENSES FOR THIS CASE, THE BILL TO THE INSURANCE FUND.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
THIS IS NOT A SITUATION THAT WAS COVERED.
WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED THEM BEFORE.
WHAT WE WERE SEEKING IS A FIRM THAT HAS SPECIALIZED IN DEFENSE OF COMMUNITIES ON ELECTION ISSUES, AND THEY HAVE THAT.
THEY HANDLE A LOT OF THIS LITIGATION.
WE WERE SEEKING A FIRM THAT HAD THAT EXPERTISE.
IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE CITIES HAVE INSURANCE FOR THIS CLAIM, THIS IS THE FIRM THAT MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE USED WITH A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS.
>> THIS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION?
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK YOU JUST ADDRESSED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, WHICH IS THAT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH.
EXCUSE ME, BACK TO THE COVER PAGE.
IN THE BACKGROUND, IT SAYS A CASE IS NOT COVERED BY OUR INSURANCE, SO THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES INSURANCE TRUST WILL NOT BE NAMING A DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
LATER ON, IT SAYS EXPENSES FOR THIS CASE WILL BE BILLED TO THE INSURANCE FUND.
>> WE DID PROPOSE THAT THE FEES BE CHARGED TO OUR INSURANCE FUND.
THAT'S WHERE WE CAN [INAUDIBLE] PART OF MONEY TO HANDLE FUNDS.
>> THIS IS THE CITY'S INSURANCE FUND?
>> I THINK THE CURRENT FUND BALANCES IN THE ORDER OF $300,000.
WHICH FUND IS THAT IN? INSURANCE FUND, IS THAT IN GENERAL FUND, OPERATING FUND, ENTERPRISE? WHICH BIG BUCKET DOES THAT GO IN?
>> IT'S PRIMARILY FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND, I GUESS, IS WHERE A LOT OF THE FUNDS ORIGINATED.
BUT THAT FUND IS, MAGGIE CALLED IN SICK TODAY, SHE'D ANSWER THIS A LOT BETTER THAN ME.
[LAUGHTER] THAT FUND DOES RECEIVE FUNDS, I THINK, FROM A MAJORITY OF OUR OTHER FUNDS.
FOR INSTANCE, OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS DO PAY A FEE INTO OUR INSURANCE FUND.
PORTION OF THAT PAYS FOR THE REGULAR OPERATOR INSURANCE COSTS THAT WE HAVE AND A PORTION OF THAT MONEY THEN GETS DEPOSITED IN THIS INSURANCE FUND, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT COVER DEDUCTIBLES AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH INSURANCE CLAIMS, BUT IT IS ALSO THERE SO WE CAN HAVE INSURANCE FOR SOMETHING.
>> WHAT IS IT TYPICALLY USED FOR THEN? YOU SAID DEDUCTIBLES LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST GOT A STATEMENT FROM THE LEAGUE FOR ANOTHER MATTER, AND THERE WAS A $2,500 DEDUCTIBLE AND A CO-PAY.
WOULD THAT COME OUT OF THAT FUND AS WELL?
>> JUST THE HOURLY RATE FOR THE ENGAGEMENT WAS $385 AN HOUR FOR PARTNERS AND 315 PER HOUR FOR ASSOCIATES, HAVING ENGAGED LEGAL COUNSEL BEFORE FOR PERSONAL MATTERS, THAT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS PRETTY HIGH.
I JUST DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND THE AVERAGE IN MINNESOTA COST FOR ALL ATTORNEYS, REGARDLESS OF THE PRACTICE IS SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $324, I THINK IT IS.
THE AVERAGE FOR A GOVERNMENT PRACTICE OF SPECIALIZING IN GOVERNMENT ISSUES, THE AVERAGE IS $255 AN HOUR.
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THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT IS ON AVERAGE.I'M LOOKING FOR VALUE TO THE TAXPAYER.
HAVE WE GOTTEN A BRIEFING FROM THIS PROPOSED ATTORNEY ABOUT THE MERITS OF THE CASE AND THE CHANCE OF WINNING? HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE THAT THAT'S A VALUE? SOMETIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND I'M JUST WONDERING THE VALUE VERSUS AN AVERAGE GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY FEE.
>> THIS DOES REPRESENT THEIR GOVERNMENT RATE.
THIS IS ALREADY A DISCOUNTED RATE.
IN TERMS OF YOUR AVERAGES, I CAN'T VOUCH FOR THAT. I'LL TAKE THAT [OVERLAPPING]
I THINK YOU KNOW AS GOOD AS THAT IS.
>> WHETHER THEY WERE RETAINED BY US OR THE WORK THEY DO FOR THE TRUST WHEN THEY'RE RETAINED, THAT IS THEIR SET RATE.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, WHEN WE DO OUR OWN PASS THROUGH RATE FOR VARIOUS CONTRACTS, THIS IN MY OPINION IS IN LINE AND IN KEEPING WITH THAT RATE.
CERTAINLY FOR YOUR IN HOUSE STUFF, FOR THE DAY TO DAY STUFF, YOUR RATE IS DEEPLY DISCOUNTED ON THAT.
BUT FOR THIS TYPE OF LITIGATION, THAT HOURLY RATE, IN MY OPINION IS IN KEEPING.
NOW, WHETHER YOU COULD FIND SOMEONE FROM 365 OR 350 OR 385, AT THAT POINT, YOU DO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, LOOK AT THEIR EXPERIENCE ON THESE THINGS.
CANDIDLY THEY'RE THE MOST EXPERIENCED ON THE DEFENSE OF THESE IN MY OPINION.
>> GOOD. I THINK THAT COVERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I WAS MOST INTERESTED IN THE INSURANCE TRUST, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO CONTRADICT LEAGUE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
NOW I UNDERSTAND. THE LEAGUE IS NOT PAYING FOR IT, THE CITY OF ORONO IS PAYING FOR IT.
>> YES. WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AND SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR WHERE WE WOULD RECOMMEND DRAWING THE FUNDS FROM TO PAY FOR ANY FEES THAT YOU'VE HEARD.
>> I GUESS I WONDER WHY DID THE LEAGUE DECLINE TO COVER IT?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE OFFICIAL DECLINATION LETTER AT THIS POINT.
I DID HAVE A TELEPHONE CALL WITH GENERAL COUNSEL ON FRIDAY ABOUT THAT AND I WILL GET TO THE ATTORNEY REPORT OR I COULD COVER IT NOW, BUT THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FAST, SO WE NEEDED TO GET GOING ON IT.
I JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE DECLINATION LETTER.
NOT ALL ORDINANCE CHALLENGES WHEN OTHER THINGS ARE ALLEGED ARE COVERED.
IF THIS HAD BEEN IN THE LAND USE SPACE, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN COVERAGE FOR IT, BUT JUST A STRAIGHT UP CHALLENGE OF AN ORDINANCE, AS THEY'VE DONE HERE, DID NOT HAVE COVERAGE.
ONE OF THE THINGS SOMETIMES I WILL DO IS CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO GET ADDITIONAL WRITERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT IN THE COVERAGE.
I THINK THEIR ANALYSIS IS CORRECT, BUT I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE ACTUAL DECLINATION LETTER.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT'S GOOD TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT AVERAGE OF PROPOSED $55,000 FOR THE LEASE 25 AND THE LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ELECTION COST.
ONE'S COMING OUT OF INSURANCE TRUST, ONE IS COMING OUT OF SPECIAL PROJECTS.
WE'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF NEARING $100,000.
JUST PUTTING THAT OUT FOR TRANSPARENCY.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IF WE HADN'T PASSED THE ORDINANCE, COULD WE STILL HAVE HAD OUR SPECIAL ELECTION BECAUSE OF THE STATUTES WRITTEN BY THE STATE?
THE STATUTE DOES TALK ABOUT A CITY'S ABILITY TO PASS AN ORDINANCE.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO PASS AN ORDINANCE, AND THIS LAWSUIT IS NOT SO MUCH PREMISED ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, BUT HOLDING OF THE SPECIAL ELECTION.
I DON'T THINK IF WE HAD NOT PASSED THE ORDINANCE, BUT PASSED THE RESOLUTION DIRECTING TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION, I THINK WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT.
>> JUST BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE WERE AT OUR MEETINGS, THEY HAD SAID THAT STATE STATUTES SUPERSEDE CITY POLICY IN ALMOST EVERY CASE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE STATUTE IS SO THAT THAT'S THE BASIS FOR YOUR AUTHORITY TO DO IT, AND WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS, I'M PARAPHRASING, BUT IF THERE IS NO ORDINANCE, THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.
IN MY OPINION, THAT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR REGARDLESS OF PREVIOUS ACTIONS.
BUT I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO GO BEFORE THEN, I THINK YOU'RE IN A MUCH BETTER SPOT.
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IN MY OPINION, THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATES PASSING AN ORDINANCE TO DO IT AT A DIFFERENT TIME.NOT MANY THINGS MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE COURTS.
>> IT IS. I WAS GOING TO COVER THIS IN THE ATTORNEY REPORT, BUT LET'S MOVE IT UP NOW SO WE JUST COVER IT.
WE DID RECEIVE JUDICIAL ASSIGNMENT ON THIS.
JUDGE SUSAN BURKE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO IT AND DAVE ON THE CITY'S BEHALF, HAS REACHED OUT TO THE PETITIONER'S COUNSEL, AND THE SCHEDULE IS THIS, AND THIS IS ROCKET FAST.
BRIEFING BY THE CITY IS DUE ON FEBRUARY 28TH.
THE PETITIONER'S RESPONSE TO THAT BRIEF IS DUE MARCH 4TH.
I BELIEVE THAT'S TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK AT NOON.
ARGUMENTS ON THE MOTION HEARING WILL BE MARCH 6TH AND THAT IS IN PERSON AT TEN O'CLOCK.
A COURT ROOM HAS NOT BEEN ASSIGNED, AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR AT THIS POINT THAT REMOTE APPEARANCE WILL BE AN OPTION.
I WOULD GIVE YOU THE COURT ROOM SO YOU CAN ATTEND IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET.
I CAN GET THAT I ASSUME BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
>> IT IS. I GUESS A FEW OTHER POINTS I'D PUT ON THERE IS THIS IS GOING TO JUST BE MOTION WORK.
SOMETIMES YOU'LL RECALL, IN SOME OF OUR LAWSUITS, WE'VE HAD DEPOSITIONS OR INTERROGATORIES.
BOTH PARTIES AGREED THE RECORD SET OR THE ARGUMENTS ARE OVER THE VALIDITY OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, AND THAT RECORD HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SO THERE WON'T BE ANY DISCOVERY.
THE JUDGE IS GOING TO BE AWARE THERE'S BEEN PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ON OUR TIMING ISSUES REGARDING WHEN THE ELECTION SCHEDULED AND YOU START BACKING THAT OUT, LIKE OTHER DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE AGGRESSIVE BRIEFING AND ARGUMENTS, AND WE HOPE TO GET A DECISION.
UNDER THE RULES, THE JUDGE DOES HAVE 90 DAYS TO ISSUE THEIR ORDER, BUT I SUSPECT IT MUCH SOONER THAN THAT, JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS CONTROVERSY.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I HAVE, BY WAY OF UPDATE AT THIS POINT.
NO ANALYSIS HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, NO BRIEFING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT CERTAINLY AS THINGS GET SUBMITTED TO THE COURT, WE'LL PASS THOSE ALONG TO THE COUNTY.
>> TO BE CLEAR, IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH OUR SPECIAL ELECTION, AND THOSE DATES ARE BEING OBSERVED.
>> YES. WE'RE PROGRESSING AS IF THE SPECIAL ELECTION WILL COME.
THAT IS THE LAST GUIDANCE AND RULING OF THE COUNCIL SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MOVING FOR.
>> TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S BEEN NO COURT ORDER SUGGESTING WE CAN'T DO THAT AT THIS POINT.
>> I SHARE YOUR NEGATIVE VIEW OF THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN EFFORT BY THE FORMER MAYOR TO CIRCUMVENT WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE CLEAR DIRECTION THAT THE STATUTE GIVES US TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A VACANCY THAT OCCURS WITH ALMOST 26 MONTHS LEFT ON A TERM.
I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE HERE.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO COST US SOME MONEY, AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE BECAUSE OF THIS LAWSUIT.
QUITE A BIT MORE. I THINK 21,000 WAS WHAT WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME AS THE ACTUAL COST OF THE ELECTION.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OTHERWISE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ENGAGEMENT OF LEGAL DEFENSE SERVICES WITH LOCKRIDGE GRINDAL AND NAUEN, I BELIEVE, IS THE NAME OF THE FIRM.
>> WELL, YOU'RE MOVING? NOBODY HAD MOVED, DID YOU?
>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE ALREADY MOVING IT. SORRY.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS THE ENGAGEMENT OF LEGAL DEFENSE SERVICES.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10,
[10. Purchase Office Furniture]
WHICH IS THE PURCHASE OF OFFICE FURNITURE, WHICH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS FOR THE NEW COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST THAT'S BEING HIRED.>> THANK YOU FOR PAUSING FOR A MINUTE ON THIS ONE.
THE NEW COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST OBVIOUSLY NEEDS A PLACE TO WORK.
THAT IS ERGONOMICALLY CORRECT AND UP TO WHATEVER CODE IS NECESSARY.
IT'S OVER $2,000 FOR WHAT LOOKS LIKE, VERY STANDARD ISSUE FURNITURE AND I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES.
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THERE IS A PLACE CALLED FINISHING.IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE NORTHROP BUILDING IN MINNEAPOLIS.
IT IS A NONPROFIT THAT ACCEPTS DONATIONS FROM CORPORATIONS THAT TURN OVER THEIR OFFICE FURNITURE AND OTHER TRAPPINGS.
AS ANYBODY IN THE CORPORATE WORLD KNOWS THOSE THINGS DON'T WEAR OUT.
THEY ARE REPLACED VERY REGULARLY SO THE ITEMS ARE IN GOOD CONDITION.
HERMAN MILLER, ALL THE GOOD STUFF, AND FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST.
I WOULD JUST PROPOSE THAT WE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES RATHER THAN SPENDING $2,000 ON A STANDARD WORKSTATION.
>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> WELL, I'M ALL ABOUT LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE RFP.
I THINK ARE WE IN DISCUSSION NOW? HAVE WE MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR DENY OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT?
>> I'M JUST SAYING WHY I PULLED IT.
>> NOBODY'S MADE A MOTION YET. YOU CAN DISCUSS.
>> I'D CONSIDER THAT TOO, AND IT'S QUITE EASY TO GOOGLE THINGS AND FIND GENTLY USED OFFICE FURNITURE FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICE.
FIRST OF ALL, TYPICALLY THE ONE, AND AT LEAST IN MY TIME HERE, STAFF, WHEN WE'VE NEEDED TO PURCHASE THINGS, WHETHER IT BE FOR PUBLIC WORKS OR FIRE DEPARTMENT OR OFFICE FURNITURE, AND HERE AT COUNCIL.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING TYPICALLY THE COUNCIL HAS WEIGHED IN ON BECAUSE IT FALLS INTO THAT OPERATIONAL MATTERS THAT STAFF IS TYPICALLY HANDLING.
ALSO, THIS HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK BEFORE THAT, HAVE ENTERTAINED IN TERMS OF SOURCING ITEMS, WHETHER IT BE DESKS OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM A SECOND HAND SOURCE.
I STRUGGLE HERE BECAUSE WHEN SOMEBODY NEW IS COMING ON, YOU WANT THE CULTURE AND THE ENVIRONMENT TO FEEL THAT THAT PERSON IS BEING TREATED EQUALLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS COME BEFORE THEM.
IT MIGHT BE WISE IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A DIFFERENT MOVEMENT OR DIRECTION IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT OR MAYBE DIRECT STAFF TO START SOURCING DIFFERENTLY, RATHER THAN PICK ONE OUT NOW AND WE'RE ON A TIMELINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE START DATE IS OR WHEN THIS OFFICE NEEDS TO BE SET UP.
>> WE HOPE TO BRING YOU THE APPOINTMENT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE WILL BE PROPOSING HAS INDICATED THEY COULD START AS EARLY AS I THINK THE 17TH OF MARCH.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, I'M ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND THINK IT'S VERY EASY TO FIND DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPTIONS FOR THIS.
I'M RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE IN A TIMELINE HERE AND THAT BEING MINDFUL THAT STAFF IS THE ONE THAT IS TASKED WITH DOING THESE SORTS OF WORK BEHIND THE SCENES, RATHER THAN THROW A WRENCH AND THINGS NOW, IF THAT'S GOING TO SET THINGS OFF, I CAN IMAGINE THAT A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE OR A DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT UTILIZING THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE MIGHT BE GOOD TO LOOK AT.
>> WE HAVE IN THE PAST, GONE OUT AND SOURCED SECONDHAND FURNITURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
HOWEVER AS YOU WERE SAYING, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS HERE IS WE'RE BRINGING ON BOARD TO OUR ORGANIZATION, AND RATHER THAN GATHERING A WHOLE BUNCH OF HODGEPODGE STUFF IS WE'LL SET THEM UPRIGHT JUST LIKE OUR OTHER MOST RECENT FOLKS HAVE WHETHER THEY BE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR, THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY TO GET THE SAME FURNITURE.
BUT THERE'S PARTS OF THE FURNITURE PACKAGE WE GOT FOR THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY THAT WE GOT FROM ANOTHER CITY THAT WAS NOT USING IT.
OUR TEMPORARY FIRE STATION FURNITURE IS PREDOMINANTLY FROM [INAUDIBLE] WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US THEIR FURNITURE.
I GUESS THE POINT BEING WE'RE NOT OUT TO ALWAYS TRY TO SPEND THE MOST.
WE DID GO THROUGH A PROCESS HERE OF LOOKING AT, AGAIN, RFP TYPE THING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL PURCHASE PRICE.
WE DID GO OUT AND TRY TO FIND SOME COMPETITORS TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THAT PRICE NARROWED DOWN.
THE OTHER THING IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE LOW QUOTE IS ALSO ON ONE OF OUR COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENTS.
WE CAN TALK THAT IN OUR RFP AND OUR PROCUREMENT DISCUSSION, BUT THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO TRY TO LOOK AND GET BEST VALUE.
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>> THOSE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER FURNISHINGS IN CITY HALL?
>> I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO PUT UP A ROADBLOCK FOR $2,000, BUT WE'RE CHARGED WITH BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER FUNDS.
I SAW IN OPPORTUNITIES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE TRY TO BE CONSISTENT IN DELIBERATIONS, OPERATING DECISIONS ABOUT FURNITURE OR OPERATING DECISIONS ABOUT WHICH VENDOR TO SELECT FOR ENGINEERING ENGAGEMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME CONSISTENCY THERE.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OTHERWISE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE FURNITURE. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12,
[12. Council Code of Conduct]
WHICH IS THE PROPOSED ADOPTION OF A COUNCIL CODE OF CONDUCT.>> MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A CODE OF CONDUCT NOW FOR SEVERAL ITERATIONS OR SEVERAL TWO WEEK PERIODS, I GUESS.
WE DISCUSSED IT AT OUR FIRST WORK SESSION IN JANUARY.
WE DISCUSSED IT AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, AND SO WE'VE MADE THE REVISIONS, AT LEAST THE REVISIONS.
I THINK THAT YOU WANTED TO THAT, AND SO THE DRAFT DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ATTACHED SHOULD REFLECT THOSE FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.
>> YEAH. JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT INCLUDES BOTH A CODE OF CONDUCT AND A STATEMENT OF VALUES.
WHICH WHEN WE DELIBERATED THIS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO BOTH.
>> I'LL START OFF. I APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REACH THIS POINT.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ATTENDING THE LEAGUE WAS VERY HELPFUL LAST WEEK, AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DISCUSS WAS CODE OF CONDUCT BECAUSE SOME CITIES HAVE THEM, SOME DON'T, BUT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO WHEN A COUNCIL'S ABLE TO TAKE THIS ON AND SET THIS IN PLACE FOR FUTURE COUNCIL SUCCESS.
ONE STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF OUR DISCUSSION AT THE TRAINING WAS THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE DOCUMENT SHOULD REFLECT THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, MUCH LIKE A COMP PLAN, BECAUSE IT'S EASY IN PRESENT TIME TO CONSIDER THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT AND THEN PUT IT AWAY.
BUT REALLY, IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS TO SET UP FUTURE COUNSELS FOR SUCCESS, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE UPDATED, IMPROVED UPON GOING FORWARD.
WHAT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE, AGAIN JUST BASED ON MY LEARNINGS ON FRIDAY AND TO SATURDAY, IS THAT WE SIMPLY ADD A SENTENCE OR TWO ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS LIVING AND THAT IT'S REFLECTING REALLY A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING A PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENT AND THAT IT CAN BE UPDATED WHEN AND IF IT'S DEEMED NECESSARY.
I HAVE A SENTENCE OR TWO HERE TO REFLECT THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DO, AND THEN IT'S DONE.
>> SURE. THIS WAS JUST PULLED FROM OTHER EXAMPLES.
THIS CODE OF CONDUCT IS INTENDED TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT REFLECTS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING A PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENT.
IT WILL BE UPDATED WHEN AND IF IT IS DEEMED NECESSARY.
THE IDEA, IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT THIS COULD BE REGULARLY REVIEWED.
STAFF COULD BRING IT TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR OR TWO OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN A BINDER AND PUTTING ON A SHELF.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL.
>> THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAVE ON THAT IS THAT THERE IS A CONSEQUENCE TIED TO CODE OF CONDUCT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A LIVING DOCUMENT WHERE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT MAY HAVE CHANGED AND THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT.
>> I GUESS THE IDEA IS THAT EITHER SITTING COUNCIL WOULD AMEND IT, AND THEREFORE THEY WOULD BE AWARE, AND/OR WHEN NEW COUNSEL OR COMMISSIONERS ARE SWORN IN, THEY WOULD BE ASKED TO ABIDE BY THAT SIGN IT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THERE WOULD BE AN AWARENESS AND AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN YOU SIGN ON OR ARE SEATED, YOU ACCEPT THOSE CONDITIONS AND LIKELY FOLKS WOULD READ WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING ONTO.
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I GUESS IT WOULDN'T BE DONE IN A WAY THAT WAS NOT TRANSPARENT OR REALLY FORWARD FACING.>> THE SIGNATURE THAT SOMEONE APPLIES TO ABIDE BY THE CODE OF CONDUCT WOULD BE BASED ON THAT VERSION THAT THEY SIGNED?
>> AS IT UPDATES, IT'S BEING LIVING, MUCH LIKE THE COMP PLAN.
NOW THAT'S A BIGGER DOCUMENT THAN THIS ONE.
>> WE DID WRITE THIS AND TITLE THIS AS A POLICY, WHICH DOES GRANT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT ALLOWS IT TO BE AMENDED BY THE COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO READ AND AMEND IT IN FUTURE.
BUT BY PUTTING IT AS A POLICY, AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING AS AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT DOES ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR FUTURE COUNCILS TO AMEND IT HOWEVER THEY WOULD SEE FIT.
>> THE STATEMENT OF VALUES THOUGH, WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
>> I THINK THAT IS SET UP TO BE SIGNED BY EVERYBODY THAT AGREES TO ABIDE BY IT.
>> YEAH. WE JUST LEFT THAT AS A STATE.
THAT ONE, WE JUST KEPT THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITY MODEL, AND IT'S JUST A STATEMENT.
I THINK AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THE IDEA WAS NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE ASKED TO SIGN ON AND SAY THAT THEY SHARE THOSE.
>> THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCES TO IT IF SOMEBODY VIOLATED IT, BUT THERE'D CERTAINLY BE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW IT, AND I WOULD GUESS.
IF THERE WAS ANY ACTION TAKEN UNDER THE CODE OF CONDUCT OR SOMEBODY VIOLATING IT, THERE MAY VERY WELL BE A A VIOLATION OF THE STATEMENT OF VALUES IN CONNECTION WITH THAT.
>> YES, THEY CAN CERTAINLY BE LINKED.
>> IS THERE A WAY TO INCLUDE SOMEWHERE IN HERE, ADAM, SOMETHING ABOUT A EXPECTATION OF COUNCIL REVIEW OF THIS POLICY ON A REGULAR BASIS?
>> YOU COULD APPROVE THE POLICY AS WRITTEN WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BENSON HAS SUGGESTED, AND WE WOULD INSERT THAT IN THE FINAL COPY.
I THINK ALL POLICIES ARE SUBJECT TO REVIEW.
I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE THAT SAYS WE WILL REVIEW THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS?
>> WELL, IF WE THINK THAT THE SENTENCE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BENSON SUGGESTED WORKS, I'M FINE WITH THAT, TOO.
I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME EXPECTED REVIEW OF THE POLICY.
>> WELL, I'M SUGGESTING JUST THE ADDITION OF LANGUAGE AROUND THE LIVING DOCUMENT AND IT BEING UPDATED IS NECESSARY.
I WASN'T LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE AROUND REVIEW, JUST THE IDEA THAT MAYBE THIS LANGUAGE IS ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO REALLY BE TOP OF MIND.
BUT I WASN'T LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY AROUND REVIEW.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DRAFT THE APPROVAL.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE WOULD PUT THE LANGUAGE IN AND THEN DRAFT IT FOR REVIEW NEXT TIME.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE ON PAPER.
I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE IT ON PAPER.
>> WOULD THAT BE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT TIME WITH THE INSTRUCTION TOO?
>> WE CAN INSERT THE CHANGES AND THEN DRAFT THE APPROVAL.
>> I THINK YOU COULD JUST DO A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO REVISE THE DOCUMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO THE STAFF TO REVISE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
>> IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON GETTING US TO THIS POINT AND FOR ADDING THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WILL REVIEW NEXT TIME.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE ARE REALLY TWO THINGS IN HERE.
IS THAT GUIDANCE FOR ME TO BRING BOTH OF THEM BACK?
>> POINT OF ORDER. DID WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> WE APPROVED REMOVING AND ALSO APPROVED.
>> YEAH. WE APPROVE THE REMAINING ITEMS. YEAH.
>> I THINK WE SKIPPED OVER THE ATTORNEY REPORT, AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
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>> NO. I GAVE THE EXTENT OF MY REPORT WHEN WE COVERED ITEM 8 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER BEYOND THAT.
>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM YOU, MR. EDWARDS?
[Mayor/Council Report]
>> NO, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST A GENERAL UPDATE, IS THAT SOREN AND I WILL BE MEETING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS FROM LONG LAKE TOMORROW TO DISCUSS SHORT TERM AGREEMENTS TO FOLLOW FROM THE NEGOTIATING TEAMS. GOOD MOVE FORWARD, I HOPE.
>> I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, ACTUALLY.
THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE CLARIFIED, COUNCIL MEMBER PERSIAN, YOU RESPONDED IN YOUR REPORT THAT THERE WAS GOOD THINGS GOING ON, AND THEN I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT RECONCILING THE DETAIL THAT WAS COMING OUT OF LONG LAKE WITH THE GENERAL ABBREVIATED UPDATE HERE.
I THINK IT WAS CONFIRMED BY MAYOR TUNHEIM THAT THE THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH HAPPENING YET THAT WE COULD SHARE.
NOT ENOUGH TO PUT DOWN ON PAPER AND PROVIDE DETAILS TOO.
BUT THERE IS A DRAFT OF A SHORT TERM AGREEMENT, AND THERE IS A WORKING DRAFT OF A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT TERM SHEET, WHICH FEELS A LOT FURTHER ALONG THAN WE'RE JUST HAVING PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, AND WE HAVEN'T AGREED ON ANYTHING.
I'M LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE COUNCIL, BUT WITH THE PUBLIC, ON WHAT THOSE ARE, AND WHAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN.
SEEKING PUBLIC INPUT, I KNOW THAT ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER ARE CURRENT, I GUESS, ASKED FOR A PUBLIC SESSION TO DISCUSS.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW I'M HEARING THAT THE SHORT TERM AGREEMENT IS AT THE POINT OF BRINGING TOGETHER WITH LONG LAKE AT A CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND CITY ATTORNEY LEVEL.
THAT'S A LOT FURTHER ALONG THAN I THINK PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF.
HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THE TRANSPARENCY THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS PROMISED TO OUR RESIDENTS OF BOTH ORONO AND LONG LAKE?
>> I GUESS I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THAT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
NORMALLY, WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON NEGOTIATING WITH OUR SISTER AGENCIES OR OUR SISTER CITIES, IT'S AT THE VERY PRELIMINARY POINT WHEN THE CITY STAFFS ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER, AND BASED ON THE GUIDANCE THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED FROM THEIR ELECTED BODIES, TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO THOSE ELECTED BODIES SO THAT WE CAN THEN HAVE THOSE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AND PUT SOME THINGS OUT INTO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.
THAT'S THE REASON I WAS SO HOPEFUL.
FINALLY, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, THE TWO CITY ADMINISTRATORS ARE BEING ALLOWED TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND GET SOME THINGS ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT WE CAN THEN BRING BACK SO OUR RESPECTIVE ELECTED BODIES CAN TO DELIBERATE THOSE THINGS.
>> WHILE WE HAVE SHARED DRAFTS BACK AND FORTH, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, I WOULD SAY THERE'S STILL QUITE A FEW OPEN ITEMS ON THERE.
IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO COMMENT ON SPECIFICS WHEN THOSE SPECIFICS HAVEN'T BEEN NECESSARILY AGREED UPON YET.
BUT I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET PUBLIC INPUT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.
HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL MAKE SOME PROGRESS IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS.
THERE'S NO NOTATION ABOUT THIS IS AN OPEN ITEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS OUR POSITION, BUT NOT THEIRS, AND OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN A WORKING DRAFT, BUT THERE'S NO TRANSPARENCY.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
HAVE YOU ALSO SEEN? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE SHORT TERM AGREEMENT DRAFT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW? HAVE YOU SEEN?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO INTERRUPT IF YOU'RE NOT DONE.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING PROCESS, I THINK FOR EVERYBODY.
I DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN HERE ON THIS COUNCIL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR PUBLIC DESERVES TRANSPARENCY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC FORUMS.
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IN FACT, I'VE HAD CALLS, WE PROBABLY ALL GET IN EMAILS RECENTLY, SAYING WHEN WILL DECISIONS BE MADE? I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN QUITE DIFFICULT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND THAT PATIENCE IS RUNNING THIN.I AM VERY WELL AWARE OF OUR COMMUNITIES, BOTH CITIES, FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
AS I SAID TO SOMEBODY EARLIER TODAY, THIS PROCESS REQUIRES THAT BOTH COUNCILS UNDERSTAND THAT GOOD FAITH EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY, AND THAT ONLY TWO MEMBERS OF EACH COUNCIL ALONG WITH STAFF ARE THE ONES IN THE ROOM DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS.
NO, I AM NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THOSE MEETINGS, NOR SHOULD I BE, AND WE AS A QUORUM, DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DELIBERATE AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL COME BEFORE US UNTIL IT DOES.
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS A BIG STEP TO ALLOW STAFF TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER WITH LONG LAKE FROM BOTH CITIES TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.
IT'S TAKEN TWO YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT AND I SHOULD SAY, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR JUST TWO YEARS, AND THIS NEWLY SEATED COUNCIL AS WE'VE DISCUSSED A FEW TIMES HAS JUST BEEN HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE IT EASY, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S A REASON THAT THESE THINGS CAN'T BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN THIS BODY OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS, WHICH MAKES IT DIFFICULT, BUT IT ALSO IS THE RIGHT WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER, AND I'VE CALLED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND FORUMS MANY TIMES.
BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S A VERY DELICATE BALANCE, AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THE PROCESS BE RESPECTED, EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT MYSELF AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE PUBLIC CAN'T HAVE ANSWERS IN THIS VERY MOMENT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE.
IT FEELS TO ME LIKE PUBLIC INPUT ON WHAT THE DESIRED OUTCOME IS SHOULD GUIDE THOSE CONVERSATIONS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
WHAT I ANTICIPATE WILL HAPPEN THEN IS THAT AND I AGREE WE'RE IN THIS LONG, ARDUOUS, DIFFICULT PROCESS.
VERY UNPLEASANT ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND I THINK THE DIRECTION IS GOOD.
BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC INPUT SHOULD PRECEDE DEVELOPING TERMS. PARDON ME. THAT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I'M ALLOWED TO IT.
AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, I WOULD WANT TO HAVE MY VOICE HEARD AS AN INPUT TO THIS PROCESS, NOT A REVIEW OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO SAY YAY OR NAY.
I WOULD WANT IT TO BE DRIVEN BY PUBLIC INPUT.
>> I GUESS I HAVE TO SAY FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD OF THE DISCUSSIONS FROM LIKE BEFORE WHEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT GOING INTO DISCUSSIONS THAT THERE WAS ALWAYS A PLAN TO HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM.
I THINK THAT IT WAS IN SUCH SHAMBLES.
THAT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER PERSIAN AND FOR MAYOR TUNHEIM TO GO IN IN GOOD FAITH AND TRY TO BEGIN TO MAKE AMENDS AND THEN FIND INROADS INTO HOW THIS WOULD LOOK AND STUFF.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THEM TRYING TO KEEP ANYTHING FROM US, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE PRIVY TO AND I HAVE FULL FAITH.
I SO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PERSIAN IS A PAST FIREMAN AND PAST FIRE CHIEF.
HE DEMANDS A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT.
WE HAVE MAYOR TUNHEIM, WHO'S HAD VAST EXPERIENCE IN NEGOTIATIONS FROM SCHOOL BOARD.
I THINK FOR A WHILE, WE HAVE TO PUT OUR TRUST THAT THEY'RE DOING THE BEST FOR OUR CITY, AND THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT THEY ARE READY FOR PUBLIC FORUM, THAT WE WILL DO PUBLIC FORUM.
>> I DON'T DISAGREE AT ALL WITH THE SKILLS AND APTITUDE AND THE TRUST THAT WE PROVIDED TO OUR NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE, AND I VOTED FOR THAT.
I AGREE THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT TACTIC.
I AM SAYING THAT I THINK WE'RE FURTHER ALONG THAN WHAT PEOPLE REALIZE AND I WAS PERSONALLY SURPRISED,
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AND I DON'T THINK I SHOULD BE IN A POSITION OF BEING SURPRISED AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.>> WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'LL MAKE ON THAT IS THE UPDATES THAT WE ARE HEARING AS A COUNCIL ARE IN THIS ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER UPDATES OR INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE TIME THAT WE'RE TOGETHER AS A QUORUM.
THIS IS WHERE I'M GETTING THE INFORMATION ABOUT UPDATES FROM OUR NEGOTIATING TEAM, AND THIS IS WHERE IN THE FUTURE, I WILL EXPECT TO BE GETTING UPDATES FROM EITHER STAFF OR THE COUNCIL ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS.
>> WELL, THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M AWARE OF THIS IS BECAUSE IN OUR WEEKLY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT, ADMINISTRATOR EDWARDS HAD MENTIONED THAT HE HAD DELIVERED DRAFT LANGUAGE, AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S DRAFT LANGUAGE OF ANYTHING WAS A SURPRISE TO ME.
I INQUIRED ABOUT IT AND HE SENT ME A COPY WHICH IN MY MIND, MAKES ME UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.
>> YEAH. SO IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.
I DON'T WANT TO SHARE IT HERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG WITH THE NEGOTIATION, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT I'M LOOKING FOR THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WAS PROMISED, THAT'S ALL.
>> WE'VE GOT SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE AS WELL.
>> HI, KELLY PERKEL 4705, WATERTOWN ROAD.
JUST GIVEN THAT YOU REFERENCED MY EARLIER REQUEST SOME WEEKS AGO FOR EVENTUAL PUBLIC INPUT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IN THAT SAME A PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION THAT EVENING.
THE FIRST THING I SAID WAS THAT WE WERE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THIS NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL AND THAT I HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY ALLOWS THE TIME FOR THIS NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE BROUGHT IN ANY EARLIER THAN THIS COUNCIL THAT I VOTED FOR THAT I BELIEVE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING, I WOULD HATE TO DISRUPT A DELICATE NEGOTIATION BALANCE.
I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT MY INTENTION WITH THAT COMMENT THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE INPUT AT SOME TIME TO RUSH THE PROCESS. THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED, WHICH YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG, YET YOU DID LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG.
I'M GUESSING THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING IN NEGOTIATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT I HEARD WITH LONG LAKE.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU'RE NEGOTIATING A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
I THINK THAT THAT IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE WHEN THE COUNCIL WOULD BE POSSIBLY CONSIDERING TEMPORARY THINGS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE VERSUS MOVING TOWARDS A PERMANENT SOLUTION, I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT THE COUNCIL THAT WAS ELECTED WOULD MOVE FORWARD ON A SOLIDLY PERMANENT ITEM WITHOUT PUBLIC INPUT, GIVEN THAT THEIR CANDIDACY WAS HARD RUN ON THIS PLATFORM AND THAT THE FUTURE OF FIRE SERVICE NEEDS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
IT NEEDS TO BE WITH A PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST MINDSET, AND IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE CITIZENS, WHICH I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT HERE REPEATEDLY.
IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SCENARIO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO POINT OUT THAT A COUNCIL IS MAYBE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU YOURSELF HAVE ONLINE, REPEATEDLY CHAMPIONED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SOLUTION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION WITH NO PUBLIC HEARING AT ALL AND YOU DID THAT REPEATEDLY.
IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO ME NOW THAT YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE ON SOMETHING THAT YOU YOURSELF DIDN'T EVEN CHAMPION AS A CITIZEN.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.
JUST TO MAKE SURE I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR.
I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT WE RELEASE THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
I'M PROPOSING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT TO GUIDE THE NEGOTIATIONS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THAT IS ALL.
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>> MY OTHER UPDATE IN THAT SAME VEIN THEN, WHICH IS ALSO IN MY ADMINISTRATOR UPDATE, IS THAT I HAVE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF MINNETONKA BEACH AND HOPE TO BRING THE COUNCIL A AGREEMENT WITH THAT CITY AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE PROVISION OF BACKUP PUBLIC WORKS SUPPORT TO THEIR ONE PUBLIC WORKS.
JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, CITY STAFFS ROUTINELY WORK WITH ONE ANOTHER TO PUT TOGETHER AGREEMENTS THAT WE CAN BRING TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> THE ONLY ITEM LEFT ON THE AGENDA [NOISE] IS ACTUALLY A PROPOSED CLOSED SESSION TO REVIEW THE PERFORMANCE OF MR. EDWARDS.
>> MR. MAYOR, YOU STILL HAVE THE MAYOR COUNCIL REPORT?
>> GOT IT RIGHT. THAT'S TWICE NOW YOU'VE HAD TO CATCH ME.
>> LET'S HEAR FROM OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
>> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE.
>> I'LL JUST SPEAK ONE MORE MOMENT ABOUT THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THEM SO MUCH.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AT THE CONFERENCE LAST WEEK.
I WAS IN THE ELECTED LEADERS SESSION FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE OVER TWO YEARS.
ONE THING THAT WE DID DISCUSS, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY RELEVANT IS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY A COUNCIL REPRESENTING CITIZENS TO HAVE DECISIONS GUIDED BY A REALLY CLEAR PROCESS THAT INVOLVES GATHERING ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION, ENSURING THAT WE ARE HAVING OUR REACTIONS TO THAT INFORMATION AIRED AND DISCUSSED, ENGAGED, ALSO LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS WHEN MAKING A DECISION, AND THEN FINALLY COMING TOGETHER TO DELIBERATE AND DECIDE WHAT THE WILL OF THE GROUP IS.
THE PRESENTER WAS VERY CLEAR AND THAT WHEN ANY OF THOSE ONE THINGS IS NOT FULLY VETTED, THAT'S WHEN THE REAL PROBLEMS START.
I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH, I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS OF THIS COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN ALL POINTS OF VIEW AND TO HEAR ONE ANOTHER OUT BECAUSE IT'S SO CRITICAL.
ALSO TO ENCOURAGE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ALWAYS FEEL COMFORTABLE ASKING QUESTIONS.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE, AND I WILL ALWAYS ADVOCATE FOR CLARIFYING, ALLOWING SPACE TO DELIBERATE BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN ANYTHING IS RUSHED.
I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE BECAUSE POLICY AND DECISION MAKING IS HARD ENOUGH.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RICKS, SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMMODITY YARDS IN NEIGHBORING CITIES, AND I'M FINDING A LOT OF VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION ABOUT LAYOUT COMMODITY STORAGE OPTIONS AND THAT PROCESS WILL CONTINUE.
IT'S BEEN VERY ENLIGHTENING, AND I WILL SAY ONE THING ELSE WE COVERED IN THE CONFERENCE IS THAT WHILE GREAT IDEAS ARE GOING TO COME FROM STAFF, SOME CAN ALSO COME FROM COUNCIL, AND IT'S A BALANCE.
WE WANT TO DO OUR PART TO ENSURE WHETHER IT'S OFFICE FURNITURE OR COMMODITIES YARD THAT WE'RE WE'RE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROCESS AS WE'RE ABLE, AND BEING EDUCATED IS JUST PART OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SHARE. THANK YOU.
>> I ATTENDED THE FOUNDATIONAL SESSION, SO IT WAS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
FRIDAY 10:00 UNTIL EVENING AND THEN SATURDAY MORNING UNTIL NOON.
I FOUND GREAT VALUE, AND I'M THANKFUL TO THE CITY FOR SPONSORING US TO ATTEND.
I HAD A REALLY FUN COHORT OF PEOPLE AT MY TABLE, TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM THE CITY OF NORTHFIELD.
THEY'D MEET EVERY FIRST SECOND AND THIRD TUESDAY.
[LAUGHTER] JUST A CONTEXT FOR YOU.
ALSO A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER FROM WINONA.
IT WAS NICE TO TALK WITH HER, THE NEW MAYOR OF ST. BONAVENTURE.
THEN NEW COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE CITY OF ELY, WHO I GOT TO INTRODUCE TO MAYOR TUNHEIM.
SHE WAS A STUDENT OF YOUR WIFE'S AT AT UNIVERSITY AND IT WAS FUN TALKING WITH HER ABOUT THAT.
I WAS GLAD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT INTRODUCTION, AND SHE MENTIONED THAT YOUR WIFE CHANGED HER LIFE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WONDERFUL ORONO CONNECTION.
>> I'LL JUST ADD ONE MORE THING. I ACTUALLY STOP BY THE GLIPSE.
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I TRIPPED OVER THAT ONE.GOT TO MEET RHONDA AND GOT A TOUR, AND IT'S A REALLY NEAT FACILITY THEY HAVE OVER THERE, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.
I HOPE EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE TO GO OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AND MAYBE PARTAKE IN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY HAVE THEY REALLY DO A LOT OF VERY NEAT THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
>> I GUESS I WOULD JUST ADD I FOUND THE NEW MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TRAINING TO BE VERY INFORMATIVE.
I WENT INTO IT HAVING THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES PEOPLE SAY, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN A PUBLIC BOARD MEMBER BEFORE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, YOU MIGHT FIND THE FOUNDATIONAL STUFF A LITTLE TOO EASY.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST FLIP AROUND BETWEEN THE TWO, AND I NEVER DID BECAUSE I FOUND THE FOUNDATIONAL MATERIALS TO BE VERY WELL PRESENTED AND I LEARNED A LOT.
ANYWAY, YEAH, I WOULD ECHO MS. BARRETT'S COMMENT OF THANKS FOR THE CITY FOR SPONSORING US TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THERE.
VERY HELPFUL. NOW WE CAN MOVE TO POTENTIAL CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE FOUNDATIONAL SESSION ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO NEED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS A PROCESS FOR AN ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR.
>> SURE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS A PROCESS FOR REVIEW FOR CITY ADMINISTRATOR.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.
THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC FOR ATTENDING, AND NOW WE'LL ASK YOU TO LEAVE.
[LAUGHTER] I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN OUR MEETINGS.
[BACKGROUND] THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? SURE. WELL, THAT'S GOOD.
>> KEEP IT ON A SEPARATE DATA FILE REGULAR MEETING THAT IT'S CLEARLY MARKED DOESN'T GET TAG.
>> YEAH. I THINK THAT THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE ARE GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION AT 7:25 PM.
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