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WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE AUGUST 19TH MEETING OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE START EACH MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[3. Approval of Agenda]
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE AUGUST 19TH PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER RESSLER.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SCHULTZE.
ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES.
NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JULY 15TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION.
[4.1. Planning Commission Minutes of July 15, 2024]
SO MOVED. SECOND.A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIBBY.
I BELIEVE, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RESSLER.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES.
BRINGS US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
[5.1. #LA24-000041, Ben Mayer, 2914 Casco Point Road, Variance (Staff: Natalie Nye)]
LA 24-41.BEN MAIER 2914 CASTLE POINT ROAD FOR VARIANCE.
THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK LINE BISECTS THE EXISTING HOME, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SURVEY.
AND THE DECK IS ENTIRELY IN FRONT OF THAT AVERAGE LAKESHORE [INAUDIBLE] LINE.
THE PROPOSED DECK DOES MEET THE 75 FOOT SETBACK AS WELL AS HARD COVER.
THERE IS NO HARD CREASE AND COVER WITH THE PROPOSAL.
DUE TO THE EXISTING PATIO THAT WILL BE UNDERNEATH THE DECK.
THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY'S LOCATION ON AN INLET AS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.
STAFF AGREES WITH THIS ASSESSMENT.
THIS 3600 IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY'VE PROVIDED A LETTER IN SUPPORT AS WELL.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS TOO.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OKAY. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN.
SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK HERE FOR DISCUSSION.
THIS ONE I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT FOR THE ALS, AND IT'S FROM THAT AERIAL THAT YOU CAN SEE PERFECTLY, IN MY OPINION, THAT THIS DECK WON'T OBSTRUCT THE NEIGHBOR'S VIEW.
WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL HARD COVER, AND IT MEETS THE EXISTING HARD COVER.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY OTHER VIEWS OPPOSING OR FOR.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF ANYONE, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS APPLIED ON LA24-41 AT 2914 CASCO POINT ROAD.
SECOND. HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER KIRCHNER.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIBBY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OPPOSED.
THAT WILL BRING US TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
[5.2. #LA24-000039, George Stickney & Mark Gronberg, 1480 Bracketts Point Road, Outlot A and Outlot B, Bracketts Point 2nd Addition, Preliminary Plat/Replat "Bracketts Point 3rd Addition" and Vacation (Staff: Melanie Curtis)]
LA24-39.GEORGE STICKNEY AND MARK GRONBERG, 1480 BRACKETTS POINT ROAD.
OUTLOT A AND OUTLOT B BRACKETS POINT SECOND EDITION.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT/REPLAT.
TWO OUTLOTS AND A BUILDABLE LOT AT 1480 BRACKETTS POINT.
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NO NEW LOTS ARE PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.THE COMMON BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN 1480 BRACKETTS POINT ROAD SHOWN HERE WITH THE HOUSE OUTLOT A, WHICH IN ITS ENTIRETY IS THE TENNIS COURT AND THE STORMWATER POND, AND WILL BE DONE BY MOVING THE EXISTING COMMON BOUNDARY LINE OVER TO THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT COVERING THE STORMWATER POND AREA. THIS AREA WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED AND REMAIN COVERED BY THE EXISTING EASEMENTS.
THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN OUTLOT A AND OUTLOT B WILL ALSO BE MODIFIED SO THAT IT CORRECTLY ALIGNS WITH THE ROAD, AND THE EASEMENTS WILL BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ROAD IN THE AREA OF THE ROAD, RATHER THAN JUST THE DRAINAGE AND UTILITY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT FOR A SUBDIVISION.
IT'S FORMALIZING THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, REPLATING AND RECLASSIFYING THE TENNIS COURT PORTION OF OUTLOT A SO THAT IT CAN BE COMBINED INTO THE BUILDABLE LOT OF 1480 BRACKETTS POINT.
A SUBDIVISION EXCEPTION WAS RECORDED EARLIER THIS YEAR, MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO THE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN THE OUTLOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POINT, 1450 BRACKETTS POINT ROAD.
AND THESE OUTLETS THAT ARE SHADED, THEY'RE SHADED OUT THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
IN ADDITION TO MOVING THE OUTLOT A BOUNDARY LINE, THE REQUEST INCLUDES THE VACATION OF THE EXISTING PERIMETER DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS BETWEEN OUTLOT A AND 1480 BRACKETTS POINT ROAD, SHOWN IN YELLOW.
REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DID RECEIVE AN INQUIRY ABOUT THE APPLICATION, BUT NO FORMAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND NOTIFICATION OF THE VACATION WAS SENT TO THE APPROPRIATE UTILITY COMPANIES.
NO FORMAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM UTILITY COMPANIES EITHER.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TO SUMMARIZE, THEY'RE MOVING THE BOUNDARY LINE MAKING LOT TWO LARGER OUTLOT A SMALLER.
IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
[LAUGHTER] BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WONDERFUL STAFF.
GEORGE STICKNEY AT 540 INDIAN MOUND STREET.
I'VE OWNED A NUMBER OF HOUSES IN WAYZATA, BUT WE DID THIS LOT LINE REARRANGEMENT.
THE [INAUDIBLE] THEY OWNED FIVE OTHER LOTS ON BRACKETT'S POINT.
SO THIS WAS A JOINT APPROVAL FOR CLEANING EVERYTHING UP.
THE TENNIS COURT HAS NOT BEEN USED FOR 17 YEARS, FOR SURE, AND WELL BEYOND THAT.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD CLEAN THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL, AND THE TENNIS COURT WILL GO AWAY AND THE COUPLE WILL MAKE IT A REALLY NICE AND BEAUTIFUL SPOT ON THE HIGH GROUND AND PRESERVE WHAT'S THERE.
THE DRAINAGE, SACRED DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT ARE ON A COUPLE OTHER THE PROPERTIES.
I'M HERE FOR THE EASY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE MARK GRONBERG HERE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY. DIFFICULT ONES.
ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? SEEING NONE. OKAY.
WHAT STORM POND. AND SHE MENTIONED MEDIACOM.
WHAT OTHER UTILITIES ARE THERE? THE ONE IN YELLOW.
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OUTLOT A AND LOT TWO.SINCE THEY'RE COMBINING THAT PROPERTY TOGETHER, THEY DON'T WANT AN EASEMENT GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT'LL THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT GOES AWAY.
THE UTILITIES THAT ARE SERVING THE HOMES ON THE POINT ARE WITHIN THE ROAD.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY THEN A VACATION OF THAT INVOLVED IN THIS APPLICATION.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP HERE FOR DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER LIBBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? I ASKED THAT I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE VACATION BECAUSE WE SO OFTEN IN PAST, I HAVE RUN INTO SITUATIONS WHERE HISTORICAL DRAINAGE NECESSITIES AND OR UTILITY EASEMENTS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS APPROVE SURRENDERING.
SO I THINK THEY CLARIFIED THAT THESE ARE REALLY NOT IN PERPETUITY FOR ANY ONGOING PRACTICAL USE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE UNLESS THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED, BUT I'M SURE THAT IN THEIR APPLICATION THAT THERE IS ENGINEERING REVIEW BESIDES MR. GRONBERG'S REVIEW.
BUT THERE ISN'T. THERE IS NO ENGINEERING.
THERE'S NO CHANGE HAPPENING ON THE LAND.
OKAY. SO I THINK IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT AND STAFF, YOU COULD MAYBE CHIME IN, BUT WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED, YOU WOULD DO AN EASEMENT ALONG EACH PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT WOULDN'T NEED BOTH OF THEM WOULDN'T NEED BOTH.
A STANDARD ONE IS FOR DRAINAGE AND UTILITY PURPOSES.
BUT IT WAS THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN USED JUST FOR UTILITY PURPOSES AND ISN'T NEEDED NOW.
SO THE DRAINAGE GOES OVER THE TOP.
THERE'S NO DRAINAGE WAY THERE.
AND THE NEW PROPOSED LINE WILL HAVE AN EASEMENT UNDERNEATH IT AS WELL.
THE NEW PROPOSED WILL HAVE IT'LL WELL OUTLOT A HAS ONE ALL OVER IT.
YEAH THERE MIGHT OH THERE WILL BE ONE THOUGH ON THE NEW LOT LINE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR RED LINE.
IT WOULD BE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.
THERE WILL BE A STANDARD ONE THERE.
RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED ONE BUT WE DON'T.
WE USUALLY. WE PUT YOU ON THE PERIMETER SO YOU CAN DO THAT.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING IT, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT GOING AWAY.
SO SO IS THE NATURE OF THE DRAINAGE A SWALE.
I MEAN, HOW DOES IT TOPOGRAPHICALLY.
HOW IS IT EXISTING NOW AND HOW WOULD IT BE IF THIS IS CHANGED AND GRANTED.
OKAY. SO THERE ISN'T A DRAINAGE WAY THERE.
IT'S JUST CROSS DRAINAGE ACROSS THAT AREA IN YELLOW.
OKAY. AND IN YOUR OPINION, THEN THERE'S NO AMPLIFIED RISK OF EROSION OR WASH OFF.
NO, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE THERE.
NO. I MEAN, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? OVERALL, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.
IT SEEMS TO BE, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, NEARLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING.
SEEMS LIKE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
AND JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP SOME BOUNDARY LINES AND AN OUTLOT A AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALTERNATIVELY, WOULD BE TOWARDS THEIR OWN HOUSE IT WOULD SEEM, FOR THE MOST PART.
EITHER ONE WOULD BE FINE WITH ME.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? JUST A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT IN THE REPORT UNDER ISSUES OF CONSIDERATION THE NUMBER THREE ISSUE WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD REVIEW THE CONSERVATION DESIGN REPORT AND OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S
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A TYPO.YEAH. SEE THAT REPORT ANYWHERE? GOOD CATCH. THAT'S A TYPO, BOB.
I'M SORRY. SO FAIR TO SAY NUMBER THREE IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER.
OKAY. WILL THAT BE TAKEN OUT OF THERE FOR THE COUNCIL THEN? I CAN'T AMEND THAT REPORT, BUT IT WON'T BE IN THE.
YEAH. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ONE? NO FURTHER COMMENT FROM ME.
YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
AND CLEANING UP THAT THE STREET OUTLOT IS NICE AT THE SAME TIME.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE LA2439 1840 BRACKETTS POINT AS APPLIED, 1480 BRACKETTS POINT AND I WOULD SECOND IT IF THAT'S CORRECT.
OKAY. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIBBY, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KIRCHNER.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THAT BRINGS US TO OTHER ITEMS.
[6. Other Items]
YEAH. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A HANDFUL OF APPLICATIONS THAT WENT MOSTLY ON CONSENT.
I THINK THERE WAS A NEW HOUSE AND THE STORM WATER MOVING ON FOX STREET.
THE ONE I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS 3245 WAYZATA BAY, WHICH WAS THE GRADING PERMIT.
DOWN ON WAYZATA BOULEVARD, I'M SORRY, 3245 WAYZATA BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS THE GRADING PROJECT WHERE THEY WERE THE CONTAMINATED SOIL AND THEY WERE MOVING IT INTO A MOUND. YOU GUYS HAD SPECIFICALLY MADE DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS ABOUT REGULATING THE SIZE OF THAT MOUND.
I HAD A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION WITH MPCA, WHO NOTED THAT THEY WOULD REGULATE THE SLOPE OF THAT BERM TO A 25% MAXIMUM, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE ESSENTIALLY DEPICTING IN THEIR PLAN SET.
SO I MADE THAT THE CONDITION IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BECAUSE THE MOUND THEN COULDN'T BE ANY TALLER BECAUSE THEY WERE AT THEIR MAXIMUM SLOPE FOR THE MOUND BOOKENDED BY THE WETLANDS.
SO THAT IN TURN WAS REGULATING THE SIZE OF THAT BIG BERM.
SO THAT DID GO FORWARD WITH APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL.
AND THEY DID REITERATE TO THE APPLICANT THAT THAT ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED SEPARATE APPLICATIONS AND REVIEW, BUT NOTED THAT FOR GRADING PURPOSES, THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
OTHER THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED WAS ONE OF THEIR WORK SESSIONS.
SO THAT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WILL PROBABLY COME IN FRONT OF YOU HERE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
ALSO, WE ARE STILL OR THE COUNCIL IS STILL DISCUSSING CHANGES TO THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK.
THEY'RE STILL REQUESTING IT TO GO BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH POTENTIAL CHANGES IN SCOPE ON THAT.
LET'S SEE, I THINK OTHER UPDATES IS WE DO HAVE A STAFFING UPDATE.
WE WILL BE SAYING GOODBYE TO MISS NATALIE NYE.
SHE'S BEEN A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR TEAM, BUT SHE HAS.
THIS WILL BE HER LAST PLANNING COMMISSION.
SHE'S OFF TO BIGGER, GRANDER, FUNNER THINGS, I SUPPOSE.
BUT WE'LL MISS HER. AND WE WISH HER ALL THE BEST AND THE MOST LUCK.
AND IF YOU KNOW A GREAT PLANNER, LET ME KNOW.
THAT'S IT. OKAY. WELL, I'VE GOT TWO THINGS.
IF WE EASE UP AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK.
WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? I'M CURIOUS.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN COMMENTS FROM STAFF JUST REVIEWING THE AMOUNT OF VARIANCE APPLICATIONS WE HAVE.
SO IT WAS LIKE 48% OF OUR APPLICATIONS, WHICH JUST SHOWS THAT MAYBE THE REGULATION ISN'T REALLY WORKING AND REALLY ISN'T BEING USED THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE, WHICH TELLS US A CODE AMENDMENT IS PROBABLY IN ORDER TO WHAT THAT SCOPE IS AND WHAT THE NEW DEFINITION AND HOW WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT IT IS KIND OF WHAT THE COUNCIL IS DISCUSSING.
SO THEY'VE BEEN BOUNCING AND GOING THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS.
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AND I'M THINKING WE WOULD PROBABLY DO A WORK SESSION WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT AS WELL, BEFORE ANY PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD BE STARTED.SO YOU GUYS WOULD BE UP TO DATE ON WHAT THEY'RE DISCUSSING.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES TO FRUITION FROM THAT.
BUT YEAH THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES ON THAT ONE.
MAYBE THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THE ONE THEY'VE MOST RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT IS NOT.
AND I CAN TALK ABOUT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THEIR INTENT AND THEIR SCOPE, BUT MOSTLY ABOUT IF IT MEETS THE LAKE SETBACK, THEN THE AVERAGE LAKESHORES WOULDN'T APPLY, AND IT WOULD ONLY APPLY IF THEY NEED TO DO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE LAKE YARD TO MORE CREATE KIND OF A GUIDING BUILDING ENVELOPE.
THINK OF LIKE THE CRYSTAL BAY ROAD KIND OF SCENARIO, WHERE THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK WE USE AS A GUIDING FOR THEIR BUILDING ENVELOPE ON THOSE REALLY NONCONFORMING LOTS, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
CURIOUS, OF THE 48% OF THE VARIANCES THAT WERE APPLIED FOR, HOW MANY WERE APPROVED FOR THE ALS? I THINK MAJORITY.
YEAH. I'M PRETTY CONFIDENTLY SAY MAJORITY.
I THINK MOST OF THEM, IF THEY WERE DENIED, THEY WERE BECAUSE THEY WERE BUNDLED WITH LIKE A LAKE YARD SETBACK THAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T APPROVING OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
YES. MISS NYE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AS A PLANNER.
THAT BRINGS US TO ADJOURNMENT ANYONE MOTION TO.
SO MOVED. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THIRD.
ANY OPPOSED? MEETING ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.