5.2. LA24-000010, Westwood Professional Services o/b/o Wayzata Country Club, 200 Wayzata Boulevard West, Interim Use Permit (IUP) (Natalie Nye)

[5.2. LA24-000010, Westwood Professional Services o/b/o Wayzata Country Club, 200 Wayzata Boulevard West, Interim Use Permit (IUP) (Natalie Nye) ]

SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS LA 24-10 WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ON BEHALF OF WAYZATA COUNTRY CLUB, 200 WEST BOULEVARD 200 WAYZATA BOULEVARD WEST.

INTERIM. THIS INTERIM USE PERMIT.

MISS NYE. GOOD EVENING.

LET ME JUST PULL THE.

AND SET UP FOR YOU.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

THE APPLICANT, JUST REPRESENTING WAYZATA COUNTRY CLUB, IS REQUESTING AN INTERIM USE PERMIT, OR IAP, FOR THEIR PROJECT AT THE GOLF COURSE AT THE WAYZATA COUNTRY CLUB.

THE PROPOSED RENOVATION WILL INCLUDE SUBSTANTIAL GRADING, WHICH TRIGGERED THE IAP IRRIGATION, LANDSCAPING AND SOME MODIFIED CART PATHS.

THE PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO BEGIN THIS SEPTEMBER AND WILL COMPLETE WILL BE COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR.

PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION AS APPLIED AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS JESSE TREICHEL.

I'M THE GOLF COURSE SUPERINTENDENT AT.

WAS THAT A COUNTRY CLUB? MY ADDRESS IS 4531 GAMES TRAIL MINNETRISTA.

AS I THINK NATALIE DID A GREAT JOB OF JUST A VERY QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THIS.

IT IS THE COUNTRY CLUB'S DESIRE TO UPDATE AND MODERNIZE THE GOLF COURSE, BOTH IN ITS AMENITIES AND THE TURF VARIETIES, WHICH IS WHERE I COME IN TO TRY AND MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE GOLF COURSE AND BRING IT INTO MORE.

MODERN CONDITIONS.

GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO, I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TIMING OF WHEN VEHICLES ARE TRUCKING IN AND OUT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR AREA TO GET INTO.

WE'VE GOT RULES FOR THAT. BUT MORE SO THE QUESTION IS, AM I READING IT RIGHT? YOU'RE BRINGING IN ABOUT 58,000FT² OR IS THAT JUST THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING DISTURBED? OR IS IT? YES.

SQUARE FEET OF HARDSCAPE IS THAT OF BRINGING IN.

THERE IS MATERIAL THAT WILL BE BROUGHT IN.

YES, SIR. IS THAT THE MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT IS THAT IS THAT THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING TRUCKED IN OF NEW MATERIAL OR DIRT? I BELIEVE SO I'LL BRING IT UP.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S 58,000 CUBIC FEET.

IF THAT'S THE 58,000FT² OF ADDITIONAL HARDSCAPE, THAT MIGHT BE WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

YES. ALL THE CART PATHS THAT ARE BEING MODIFIED.

GOTCHA. OKAY. AND CHANGE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES IN.

THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE IS PRETTY MUCH BEING MODIFIED BY THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT TRIGGERS THAT, THAT LAND, THE 42 ACRES, IS ALL BEING SOMEWHAT DISTURBED BY THIS.

AS FAR AS I THINK FROM WHAT I WAS READING IN THE PLANS AS WELL AS WHAT I WAS WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH DIRT ON SITE AS POSSIBLE AND REUSING IT, AND SO THEY'LL BE VERY LIMITED, KIND OF EXPORT AND IMPORT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

YEAH, THERE THERE'S NOT A PLAN TO EXPORT ANY MATERIAL FROM THE SITE OR BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IMPORTING.

THERE WILL BE SOME IMPORT OF BUNKERS AND THOSE TYPES OF.

YEAH. AND FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE MEASURED IN CUBIC YARDS FOR, FOR SOIL THAT WE BRING IN OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD THAT NUMBER BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE SUMMARY.

NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO NECESSARILY CHANGE ANYTHING.

JUST CURIOUS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

YEAH. IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO WHEN WE GET TO COUNCIL, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS.

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SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE LATER BUT THANK YOU.

AS THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING. NOBODY WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BRING IT BACK UP HERE FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER RESSLER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? YEAH. I RECOGNIZE THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE REVIEWING THIS IS THE.

IT'S TRIGGERED OVER THE 20,000FT² OF AREA BEING DISTURBED.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S ANYTHING EGREGIOUS OTHER THAN THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.

AND IT WAS MORE SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S RECORD OF WHAT'S BEING DONE.

BUT OTHERWISE, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

AND UNLESS THERE'S RESISTANCE, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR IT.

I'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I AGREE, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THE APPLICANTS PRESENTED THE RIGHT, RIGHT ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING FOR STAFF TO ANALYZE, AND IT LOOKS GOOD.

EXCUSE ME. YES.

GO AHEAD. I'M TED SCHULTZ.

I WAS AT A COUNTRY CLUB, SO I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS VOTE.

THANK YOU. ON THAT NOTE, I TOO AM A MEMBER, WAS AT A COUNTRY CLUB AND WILL RECUSE MYSELF AS WELL FROM THIS.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.

SO, FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER KIRCHNER AND COMMISSIONER SCHULTZ BOTH RECUSING THEMSELVES FROM DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON THIS.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY OF THE REMAINING COMMISSIONERS HERE? GO AHEAD, MR. LIBBY, JUST BRIEFLY, I AM NOT A MEMBER, BUT ON THE MANY OCCASIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, WE'VE HAD THE GOLF COURSE COME BEFORE US BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE WAYZATA PROPER AND ORONO.

THESE PLANS HAVE ALREADY ALWAYS BEEN VERY WELL ARTICULATED.

THESE ARE REALLY AMBITIOUS PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLEX.

AND WHEN I'M SEEING THAT OUR CITY ENGINEER AND THE STAFF HAVE BOTH REVIEWED THIS AND SEEM TO HAVE VERY FAVORABLE OPINIONS, I CAN'T HELP BUT AGREE WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT SUPPORTED THIS AS WELL.

THAT'S A BIG PROJECT AND I HOPE IT TURNS OUT WELL.

IT LOOKS VERY NICELY ARTICULATED.

IT'LL BE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.

I'M NOT A MEMBER, AND I'VE NEVER PLAYED GOLF THERE, BUT HAVE HAVING BEEN A MEMBER OF THE WAYZATA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND HAVING MANY LUNCHEONS THERE, AT LEAST I GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE GOLF COURSE.

AND WHEN YOU HAD OTHER ELEMENTS OF THESE ONGOING PROJECTS, I MADE QUITE A FEW VISITS THERE, AND IT'S IMPRESSIVE.

I'M SURE IT WILL BE LOVELY WHEN IT'S DONE.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

ALL THAT BEING SAID. OH, YES.

I'M SORRY. COULD YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? FOR THE RECORD, JAMES 129 CHEVY CHASE DRIVE.

I USED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE [INAUDIBLE].

BUT I LIVE ON THE FIFTH HOLE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THIS IS.

ALL THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHERE? WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT? IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT, I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE A BETTER ANSWER FOR THAT.

IS THAT YOUR YEAH, I'M RIGHT ON THE FIFTH HOLE.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT.

IF YOU DON'T MIND SITTING DOWN.

AND I'LL LET THEM COME UP AND ANSWER SPECIFICS OF THAT QUESTION.

POINT HERE WHERE IT WAS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN.

YEAH. THE WHOLE, IT'S GOING TO BE.

PART OF ENCOMPASSING OF ALL OF THE GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO BE AREAS OF THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE THAT WE'LL TOUCH SOME AREAS MORE DRAMATICALLY THAN OTHERS.

YES. IN THE NATURE OF SOME OF THE SOIL THAT WILL BE MOVED.

YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOURTH GREEN WILL BE PUSHED BACK FARTHER 30 YARDS APPROXIMATELY FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS TODAY.

SO, THERE WILL BE. EARTHWORK AND SHAPING THAT.

DONE THERE TO MOVE THAT GREEN BACK TO A MORE APPROPRIATE YARDAGE.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GRADING PLAN EXACTLY TO SEE.

I DO THINK THAT THE GRADING THAT IS HAPPENING ALONG THE FIFTH HOLE IS FAIRLY MINOR.

THERE IS JUST THERE'S A CONNECTION POINT THAT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIFTH FAIRWAY, SIR, WHERE IT'S TYING IN THE SECOND FAIRWAY TO THE FIFTH FAIRWAY.

I'M TRYING TO RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE BUNKERING PLAN IS FOR THAT AREA.

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SEE THE LITTLE LINE THAT GOES UP THIS WAY? AND IT TAKES A RIGHT IN THE SECOND HOUSE DOWN.

YES, SIR. SO, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GRADING LINES THERE AROUND THAT BUNKER.

SO, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE TO THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE, OF THAT PHOTO.

YEP, YEP.

THAT'S JUST SOME GRADING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND FOYE AROUND THAT BUNKER.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FROM A CHANGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.

BRING IT BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION.

DOES THAT CHANGE? ANY COMMISSIONERS' THOUGHTS ON THIS? NO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE.

LA 24-15 AS APPLIED.

I'M SORRY. LA 24-10 AS APPLIED.

MOTION.

I WOULD SECOND TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER RESSLER.

I HAVE A SECOND OF THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIBBY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT IF I COULD, MR. CHAIR. SURE. IN PAST, WHEN WE HAVE HAD CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS THE OFFICIALS OF THE GOLF COURSE HAVE BEEN VERY FORENSIC ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAD FEEDBACK AND MADE SIGNIFICANT CONCESSIONS IN EXPLAINING.

AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.

AND IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE, REALLY, OF OUR GOVERNANCE.

BUT IF YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID BEFORE, I'M SURE IT'LL TURN OUT WELL.

THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THAT BRINGS US TO LA 24-15.

[5.3. #LA24-000015, Patrick & Anne Sutter, 200 Big Island, Variances (Staff: Melanie Curtis) ]

PATRICK AND ANNE SUTTER, 200 BIG ISLAND FOR MULTIPLE VARIANCES, MISS CURTIS.

THANK YOU.

THE APPLICANTS ARE THE OWNERS OF 200 BIG ISLAND.

THEY ARE PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY SEASONAL CABIN ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A SHED AND AN OUTHOUSE.

THE SEASONAL RECREATION ZONING DISTRICT HAS A HAS GRADUATED REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS BASED ON THE WIDTH OF THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY.

50FT, 30FT AND TEN FEET.

THIS PROPERTY IS HALF ACRE IN AREA AND IS JUST OVER 100FT IN WIDTH, AND THEREFORE REQUIRES 30-FOOT REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING VARIANCES TO PERMIT 26.9FT SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIDE AND 26.5FT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. ADDITIONALLY, THE HOME IS PROPOSED TO BE NINE FEET AWAY FROM THE EXISTING SMALL OUTHOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHERE A TEN-FOOT SEPARATION IS REQUIRED BY CODE. WE HAVE RECEIVED SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES AS APPLIED.

I HAVE OTHER INFORMATION, THE PLANS FOR THE CABIN AND PHOTOS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM, BUT IT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

YOU MENTIONED THE GRADUATED SETBACKS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE DEEPER ON WHERE THIS PROPERTY SITS? WITH IN REGARD TO THOSE TO THE 30, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS? REQUIRES 30. YES.

WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE OF A REQUIRED THE TEN FOOT IT WOULD NEED TO BE UNDER 100FT IN WIDTH.

AND THIS IS JUST OVER.

JUST OVER. SO, A 99-FOOT-WIDE PROPERTY WOULD BE ALLOWED A TEN-FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT OUR 2040 COMP PLAN HAS SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TREATMENTS AND GUIDANCE FOR BIG ISLAND THAN WE WOULD IF WE WERE ON MAINLAND ORONO.

ARE ANY OF THOSE APPLICABLE HERE? DO THEY? DO THEY COME IN AND APPLY AT ALL? SO, FOR BIG ISLAND, ONE OF THE THINGS I IDENTIFIED IS IT HAS TO BE A SEASONAL DWELLING.

A FULL-TIME DWELLING WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN FRONT OF YOU.

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BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED SERVICES AVAILABLE OUT THERE, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT TONIGHT IS PROPOSING A SEASONAL DWELLING WHICH MEETS THE PERMITTED USES.

SO THAT'S WHAT IS DESIGNED IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

AND THEY ARE, I BELIEVE, MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT ARE THROUGH THAT LAND USE GUIDANCE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEP. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

ANNIE AND PAT SUTTER.

14325 OAK RIDGE ROAD EXTENSION, MINNETONKA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UNLESS YOU HAVE.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

IS THERE AN EXISTING SEPTIC OR THEY MENTIONED AN OUTHOUSE? IS IT JUST GOING TO STAY BUILDING A SEPTIC SYSTEM OKAY.

PERFECT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A CURIOUS QUESTION YOU MUST HAVE FROM WHERE YOUR POSITION IS ON THE BIG ISLAND SHORELINE, DO YOU HAVE A VIEW ACROSS TO THE HARBOR WHERE THE LANDING IS FOR OUR 54-ACRE NATURE PARK? CAN YOU SEE WHERE THE DOCKS ARE THERE FROM WHERE YOU ARE? WE LOOK AT ABOUT A 45-DEGREE ANGLE ONTO THAT.

I WAS THINKING THAT BE ABOUT 45 DEGREES.

BEAUTIFUL. YEAH.

THANKS. JUST CURIOUS.

WE HAVEN'T GOT THERE. LEARNING ABOUT THE ISLAND.

YEAH. LOTS TO LEARN.

YEAH. THERE IS, THERE IS.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK.

I'LL OPEN THAT NOW. PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SEEING NOBODY, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK HERE FOR DISCUSSION.

ANYONE LIKE TO START? I CAN JUMP IN TO START HERE.

ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT I NOTED HERE, AS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SURVEY, THERE IS, I'LL SAY, STREET WORD ON THE LOT.

IT APPEARS TO ONLY BE 99.9FT IN WIDTH.

I GENERALLY SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE TO BEGIN WITH BUT SEEING THAT FURTHERS THAT POINT FOR ME IS THAT THE HOUSE IS BEHIND THE POINT AT WHICH THE LOT NARROWS.

TO THAT 99.9FT.

AND IF THE ENTIRE LOT WERE THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GAIN 40FT OF ADDITIONAL BUILDABLE SPACE FROM GOING DOWN FROM THE 30 FOOT DOWN TO A TEN-FOOT SETBACK. AND SO, I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY REASONABLE APPLICATION AND CERTAINLY WORTH APPROVING AS APPLIED HERE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY SET BEHIND THAT 99 FOOT OF THE WIDTH.

SO, IN MY MIND, IT KIND OF PUTS IT INTO THAT OTHER TIER WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TEN.

BUT I LIKE WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH THIS.

THEY'RE NOT EGREGIOUS WITH THE STRUCTURE.

THE SETBACK TO THE OUTHOUSE, THE CURRENT OUTHOUSE DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS WELL BECAUSE WITH THE SEPTIC, THE MOST LIKELY THAT STRUCTURE EVENTUALLY WILL PROBABLY NOT STAY.

I'M GUESSING. SO, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

YEAH, I AGREE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE DISAGREEMENT.

I MEAN, THERE'S IT'S NOT A BIG LEAP HERE ON, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO PUT ON RECORD THAT MITIGATES JUST SO WE'RE NOT SETTING PRECEDENTS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE RULES, NOT GUIDELINES OR RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT THIS IS JUST BARELY YOU KNOW, REACHING OVER AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 150FT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST BARELY OVER 100.

AND YOU KNOW, LOTS OF MITIGANTS HERE JUST TO PUT ON RECORD THE CABIN ITSELF ON THE NORTH SIDE SETBACK IS 32.5.

THE DECK THAT BRINGS IT INTO 26.9.

YEAH. I'M.

IN FAVOR OF THIS.

BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO.

I JUST THINK JUST FOR LOOKING AT IT, THE MAP VIEW.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE STRUGGLE WITH AS A PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE AVERAGE SET, THE LAKESHORE SETBACK.

AND I'M LIKING WHAT THE PATTERN I'M SEEING ON BIG ISLAND IS THAT NO ONE'S REALLY UP TO THE SHORE, AND NO ONE SEEMS TO BE PUSHING THAT.

SO, I REALLY LIKED I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT WHEN WE GET BEHIND THAT LINE.

SO HOPEFULLY CONTINUE THAT PATTERN IN THE FUTURE.

JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.

WELL, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH LAKESHORE, THAT'S, I THINK, WHERE MY MIND GOES TO LIKE, WE SEE THIS SO OFTEN WITH THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE LAKE YARD SETBACK, AND YOU SEE THE VARIANCE REQUESTS BECAUSE OF THE UNDULATIONS OF SHORELINE.

I MEAN, THAT'S THIS GRAY AREA OF THE OF LAKESHORE MAKES THIS A LOT MORE PALATABLE, I THINK.

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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF NOT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE AS APPLIED.

THAT'S LA 24-15.

OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT AS WELL, COMMISSIONER ERICKSON.

OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY ERICKSON.

I'VE GOT A SECOND BY RESSLER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. LET'S VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES.

[5.4. LA24-000016, Steve Fisher, 3339 Crystal Bay Road, Variances (Natalie Nye) ]

THAT BRINGS US TO LA 24-16.

SORRY, GUYS. STEVE FISHER 3339 CRYSTAL BAY ROAD.

THIS IS FOR MULTIPLE VARIANCES.

MISS NYE. HELLO.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK, 75-FOOT SETBACK.

HARD COVER WITHIN THE 75-FOOT SETBACK.

OVERALL HARD COVER EXCEEDING 25%.

REAR YARD SETBACK AND DRIVEWAY WITH VARIANCES IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING.

THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A THIRD GARAGE BAY ADDITION.

I'LL PULL UP THE PLANS RIGHT NOW.

WITH A SCREENED IN PORCH ABOVE THE PLANT.

THE ADDITION MEETS THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND IS PULLED BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE CURRENT HOME, ABOUT NINE FEET.

HOWEVER, THE ADDITION DOES NOT MEET THE 75-FOOT SETBACK AS IT IS ABOUT 59FT FROM THE POOL, AND IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN FRONT OF THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK LINE AS WELL. IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIRED 30 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK.

EITHER. THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES THE REMOVAL OF A GRAVEL PARKING PAD THAT'S GRAYED OUT HERE.

BUT THE PROPOSAL, BECAUSE OF THE THIRD BAY, INCLUDES AN EXPANDED DRIVEWAY.

THE FINAL PART OF THIS PROPOSAL IS THE ADDITION OF A PROPOSED OF A FRONT PORCH.

WHICH ALSO DOES NOT MEET THE 75-FOOT SETBACK.

OR THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK.

THE OVERALL HARDCOVER IS GOING TO BE INCREASED EVEN WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE GRAVEL PARKING FROM ABOUT 37% ON THE PROPERTY TO 44%.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS VERY SMALL AND SUBSTANDARD IN BOTH SIZE AND WIDTH.

THE EXISTING HOME IS NON-CONFORMING TO MANY OF THE SETBACKS.

THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THE EXISTING GARAGE IS TOO SMALL FOR ANYTHING BUT A SMALL VEHICLE AND DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY ADDITIONAL STORAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO MENTIONED THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF CRYSTAL BAY ROAD, AND THAT THERE ARE PARKING ISSUES ON THE NARROW STREET, AND THAT AN EXPANDED DRIVEWAY AND MORE PARKING WOULD BE A SAFER OPTION.

STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THE SITE CONSTRAINTS OF THE LOT.

ANY OF THE LOTS ON CRYSTAL BAY ARE VERY SMALL AND NARROW AND REQUIRE VARIANCES.

HOWEVER, STAFF FINDS THE EXISTING PROPERTY HAS REASONABLE USE WITH AN EXISTING TWO CAR GARAGE.

THE PROPOSAL SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASES THE HARD COVER PERCENTAGE, AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY PROPOSAL FOR STORMWATER MITIGATION OR TO BRING THE PROPERTY CLOSER TO CONFORMANCE IN ANY WAY. STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION AS APPLIED BUT HAS GIVEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO MODIFY THE PROPOSAL. I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

COULD YOU PLEASE JUST RECAP THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? SURE. THANK YOU. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING THE GARAGE WITHOUT NEEDING TO EXPAND IT AN ADDITIONAL BAY JUST TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HARD COVER.

THE ADDITION SHOULD ALSO THEY SHOULD ALSO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF PROPOSING AN ADDITION WITHOUT A SECOND STORY AS IT ISN'T, IT IS IN FRONT OF THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK.

THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE MODIFIED SO THAT IT MEETS THE 20-FOOT WIDTH STANDARD.

AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD EXPLORE REMOVING ANY ADDITIONAL HARD COVER OR PUTTING IN SOME PERMEABLE PAVERS.

THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS STEVE FISHER, 70 FLORENCE DRIVE, TONKA BAY.

I WOULD BE THE BUILDER ON THIS PROJECT.

I HAVE JUST THREE POINTS FROM ORIGINAL SURVEY WE DID TO THE ONE WE PROPOSED.

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NOW, WE DID CUT SOME OF THE HARDCOVER DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

SECONDLY, THE CURRENT GARAGE THAT THEY HAVE IS APPROXIMATELY 18FT WIDE AND APPROXIMATELY 20FT DEEP, WHICH BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, IF YOU SEE BY THE DRAWING, THE GARAGE DOOR IS THE FRONT 16FT.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET TWO NORMAL SIZED CARS IN THAT GARAGE AT ALL.

AND THEN THE LAST POINT I HAVE, WHICH I WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE LAST, WAS THE FACT THAT THEIR PROPERTY GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE LAKE.

THE ROAD GOES IN FRONT, BUT THEY CAN'T COUNT THAT AS HARD OR SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THEIR PROPERTY, AND YET THEY OWN IT. SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION OF THE LAST PERSON UP HERE ABOUT THE BIG ISLAND DEAL.

I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I GUESS I GOT ONE. I MEAN, SINCE IT'S JUST A PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER ALWAYS SAID THIS AT THIS PART OF THE ACTUALLY CHAIR TO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST LINES UP ON THE PAPER.

RIGHT. SO, I'M JUST TRYING TO CURIOUS TO THE BRAINSTORMING PROCESS YOU CAME IN.

I DON'T WANT TO REDESIGN IT HERE AT ALL.

BUT A LOT OF THE TIME WHEN THESE COME FROM CRYSTAL BAY, THIS AREA IS NOTORIOUS FOR THIS.

IT'S ALWAYS MESSING UP BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OLD CABIN LOTS, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM SO THAT FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.

RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT INTENDED USE OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS.

RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE OPTIONS IF YOU GO UP.

WAS GOING UP EVER CONSIDERED IN THE PLAN PLANNING PROCESS GOING UP AS FAR AS, LIKE MASSING, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE? WELL, WE WERE GOING UP WITH THE PORCH ON THAT LEFT HAND SIDE, BUT THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS BELOW IT.

YEAH. SO, WE ARE TRYING TO GO ANY TALLER THAN EXISTING, RIGHT? AND IT WAS JUST A BONUS TO GET THE PORCH ABOVE THE GARAGE IF GRANTED.

RIGHT. THE REAR YARD SETBACK, THE 30FT.

IS THERE A POSITION WHERE YOU COULD PUT A GARAGE ON THIS WITH WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY MEET THAT? IT DOESN'T. I DON'T KNOW THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST A BRIEF QUESTION.

THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE GARAGE SHOWS A HEIGHT OF THE OVERHEAD DOOR AT NINE FEET.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE DOOR EXISTING? IS IT THE SAME OR DIFFERENT OR NOT? NO, THE GARAGE DOOR WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE CURRENT ONE, WHICH WOULD BE SEVEN FEET TALL.

IT WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ONE, WHICH IS IF IT'S SEVEN FEET TALL.

I GUESS I HAVEN'T EVER MEASURED IT, BUT IT'S LOW.

AND LIKE I SAY, THAT'S A 16-FOOT-WIDE GARAGE DOOR.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY THAT PHOTOGRAPH, I MEAN THERE IS NO SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT GARAGE DOOR.

OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE SURVEY IT SAYS IT'S ABOUT 18FT WIDE, BUT THEN YOU GOT TO TAKE OUT THE BLOCK THAT'S IN THERE.

SO, THEN A 16-FOOT GARAGE DOOR, THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE.

OKAY. SO, YOU'RE SAYING THE GARAGE DOORS WILL ALL BE SEVEN FEET HIGH? THE NEW GARAGE DOOR WOULD BE SEVEN FEET HIGH.

THE NEW ONE WOULD BE SEVEN.

AND THE OLD ONES ARE 7'2", RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THE OLD ONE IS SEVEN FEET HIGH AS WELL.

OKAY. OKAY.

I THOUGHT I SAW A DIFFERENT NUMBER ON THAT, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

BUT I'M SORRY.

IT COULD BE MY DRAWING OF THE ELEVATION.

SHOWED A YEAH THAT ONE.

NO, NO. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE? THERE WE GO. NOW, DIDN'T IT SAY MAYBE NOT THAT ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME CONSISTENT 77.

SO, I GUESS THAT'S THE NEW ADDITIONAL ROOF LINE WILL BE SHORTER THAN THE EXISTING ROOF LINE.

RIGHT. AND THIS GARAGE IS SET BACK FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

RIGHT. OKAY.

NINE FEET. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, I'M CONFUSED.

I WENT BY THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY.

OKAY? AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANS HERE, AND I'M SEEING WHAT EFFECT IS A, AM I SEEING THIS CORRECTLY? WHERE THERE'S A SECOND GARAGE DOOR THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN.

ON THE FACE OF THE HOUSE.

YES. IT'S SET BACK.

YEAH. YES.

RIGHT. I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THAT.

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PARDON ME IF YOU GO.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT FRONT WHERE THERE'S A VEHICLE IN THE PARKING.

THERE YOU GO. IT'S GOING TO BE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS GOING TO BE SET BACK.

YOU'RE PROPOSING TO SET IT BACK FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE, KIND OF BEHIND WHERE THAT VEHICLE IS CURRENTLY PARKED.

YEAH. AND THAT'S TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

DOES THAT HELP YOUR QUESTION? YES, I'M CONFUSED HERE WITH THE.

ORIENTATION. WHAT'S NORTH AND WHAT'S SOUTH HERE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

JUST. THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE.

OKAY. OR THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE.

PLEASE DO. OKAY.

MY WIFE, TERRY, AND WE REBUILT THIS HOUSE ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO.

AND WHERE WE FEEL WE ARE RIGHT NOW, KIND OF AT A CROSSROADS WITH ALL THE NEW HOUSES GOING UP ON THE STREET AND THIS HOUSE GETTING OLDER AND OLDER. WE'RE KIND OF AT A CROSSROADS.

WHERE ARE WE EITHER GOING TO MOVE OR TEAR IT DOWN, OR IF WE CAN WORK WITH THIS HOUSE, THAT WOULD BE OUR FIRST CHOICE.

AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT 1700 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE THAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN AND OVER ABOUT THE LAST TEN YEARS.

WE TOOK ONE OF OUR ROOMS, OUR MAIN ROOM IN THE LOWER LEVEL, AND BASICALLY, WE'RE USING THAT FOR STORAGE.

SO, WE'VE GOT LIKE A GAS-POWERED LAWNMOWER IN THERE.

WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE BIKES INSIDE.

IT'S REALLY A HARDSHIP.

AND THAT GARAGE IT'S NOT A DOUBLE CAR GARAGE.

I HAVE TO BACK MY CAR IN.

WE BOTH HAVE UNDERSIZED CARS.

I HAVE TO BACK MINE IN WITHIN A COUPLE INCHES OF THE WALL, AND SHE HAS TO GO FORWARD WITHIN A COUPLE INCHES OF THE WALL AND TO GET OUT JUST THE DRIVER'S DOOR OPEN.

AND IT WILL NOT OPEN ALL THE WAY.

SO, WE CAN'T STORE ANYTHING IN THERE.

SO, EITHER IT'S IN OUR LOWER LEVEL OR WE'VE GOT IT JUNKED UP ALL OVER OUTSIDE.

THINGS ARE JUST I THINK ONE OF THOSE PICTURES SHOWS SOME STUFF ON THE OUTSIDE.

SO, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WOULD BE TO DO A SMALL ADDITION WHICH ISN'T FULL HEIGHT.

AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SIDE SETBACKS.

IS TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOUSE.

WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE A COLOR, UPDATE THE EXTERIOR UPDATE THINGS ON THE INSIDE AND MAKE IT MORE LIVABLE SO THAT WE CAN STAY THERE.

IT'S NOT REALLY OUR FIRST CHOICE TO RIP IT DOWN AND BUILD ANOTHER GIANT BOX LIKE I.

CRYSTAL BAY IS GETTING TO BE GIANT BOX AFTER GIANT BOX AFTER GIANT BOX.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT STAFF HAS SAID A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

THEY DON'T SEE OUR NEED BECAUSE IT'S SO LIVABLE THE WAY IT IS.

WELL. THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THERE WAS A HOUSE AT 3355 THAT WAS JUST APPROVED.

THAT'S A GIANT BOX.

IT'S OVER 5400FT² IS IN ENCLOSED IN THAT BOX.

AND I KIND OF THINK THAT I KNOW A HARD COVER IS A BIG ISSUE.

BUT I ALSO THINK VOLUME IS A BIG ISSUE, TOO.

SO, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND YOU SEE BOX AFTER BOX AFTER BOX MAXIMIZING THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THEY CAN STAY IN THIS HARD COVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE PAST 33, 55, THAT IS A 30-FOOT-TALL WALL, 7.5FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

IF YOU LOOK BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR HOUSE TO THE EAST OR THE WEST, MOSTLY TO THE WEST.

THERE'S NO SUNLIGHT IN THERE ANYMORE.

AND I KNOW MY NEIGHBOR TO MY EAST WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOTHING BUILT ON THAT LAND THAT WE OWN, EVER.

BUT I THINK THAT.

YOU WOULD PROBABLY PREFER THIS OVER A 30-FOOT WALL, 7.5FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AND INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING A SHORTENED GARAGE THAT'S NOT EVEN FULL HEIGHT, IT WOULD BE THREE STORIES AND IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. AS FAR AS YOU'RE ALLOWING HOUSES ON CRYSTAL BAY TO GO BACK.

SO, IT WOULD BE A GIANT 30-FOOT WALL, SO I THINK.

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THIS IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING OTHER GIANT 5000 SQUARE FOOT BOX ON THE ROAD.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

I CAN JUST PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THAT.

SO, I AGREE, AND THE MASSING IS PROBLEMATIC, BUT THEY ARE PLAYING THE HARDCOVER NUMBER.

THAT'S THE LEVER THEY'RE PULLING.

AND SO, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE WE'LL DISCUSS THIS, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THROWING IT OUT THERE IF WE PROPOSE THIS FOOTPRINT, ONCE YOU GUYS SELL THE HOUSE NOW THAT THEY CAN NOW, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MASS UP WITH THIS IMPROVED, THIS BIGGER FOOTPRINT THAT WE JUST ALLOWED.

RIGHT. SO, IT'S LIKE, IT'S SO IF WE IMPROVE THE BIGGER FOOTPRINT EVENTUALLY THE MASSING IS GOING TO GET THERE.

WHETHER IT'S GOING TO TAKE 20 YEARS OR WHAT.

RIGHT. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OUR HARDCOVER IS ALMOST WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE HOUSE, THAT 5450 SQUARE FOOT BOX THAT YOU APPROVED DOWN THE STREET.

SO, WE ARE OUR HARDCOVER IS ALMOST COMPLETELY IDENTICAL.

AND WHERE I THINK 44% IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

3355 JUST GOT 57%.

SO, I THINK THAT 44% IS IN THE REALM OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ALLOWING ALREADY.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL THING THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN TO THIS HOUSE.

AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY SIDE SETBACK VARIANCE.

IN FACT, WE'RE INSIDE WHAT WE COULD BE.

WE COULD STILL BE FARTHER OVER TO THE EAST THEN.

COULD BE ALSO OUR SETBACK, IF YOU SEE THAT THE WAY THE HOUSE SITS ON THE LOT AT, LIKE, AN ANGLE.

THERE'RE PORTIONS THAT ARE IS 8.6FT AWAY AND THEN THE BACK PORTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PUT A NUMBER ON THAT, BUT THAT EVEN GETS WIDER.

SO, AS YOU FARTHER, YOU GET BACK AWAY FROM THE LAKE.

IT GETS FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM OUR PROPERTY.

SO, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A WALL.

THAT'S THE WHOLE THAT'S 7.5FT THE WHOLE WAY.

IT'S JUST AT THAT ONE CORNER.

EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY. GREAT, GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YEP. PAUL RAYMOND.

I LIVE DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THE HOFFER AND 3335 I ATTACHED A I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO READ.

I ATTACHED A LETTER WITH SOME OF MY CONCERNS OF THIS PROPERTY OF THE PROJECT.

AND I HAVE A LOT OF RUNOFF ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WATER ISSUES THAT COME DOWN MY HOUSE IS 100 AND IT WAS MADE IN 1860.

IT'S GOT A BASEMENT IN IT, STILL RIGHT NEXT TO THE LAKE.

IT'S GOT A WORKING DRAIN TILE SYSTEM.

IT DRY. I COULDN'T LIVE IN THAT LITTLE HOUSE WITHOUT.

WITHOUT THE BASEMENT.

THAT WORKS VERY WELL TO DRY AND WORKS WELL.

BUT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AS I SAID IN MY LETTERS, IS I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. BOTH BEHIND THE HOUSE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

NOT SO MUCH IN FRONT ANYMORE.

THAT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE, BUT BEHIND THE HOUSE.

THE IT'S BEEN LANDSCAPED WHERE THE WATER RUNS OVER TO MY HOUSE OFF THE TRAIL RATHER THAN DIRECTLY OFF THE TRAIL. I GET ALL THE WATER BEHIND MY HOUSE, AND I GET THE WATER BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE CORNER FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPING.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR ME.

MY, I CAN WORRY ABOUT IT.

AND ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, TOO, I GET, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STORAGE RIGHT AT THE LOT LINE.

THERE'RE DOCKS PILED UP.

I'VE GOT A DOCK PILED UP IN FRONT OF MY KITCHEN WINDOW.

THIS HIGH. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON PURPOSE.

I THINK HE JUST DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH PLACE TO PUT IT OR WHATEVER, BUT.

NOW, QUITE FRANKLY THE IT'S GOT EDGING AND EVERYTHING AND IT COLLECTS.

IT'S GOT BIG TARPS UNDER IT.

IT'S ON THE HILL, IT COLLECTS WATER ON THE TARPS, AND IT RUNS INTO MY HOUSE.

AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE GOT THE BASEMENT.

I GOT, YOU KNOW, THE SUMP PUMP.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

WHEN I TALKED TO NATALIE, I EXPRESSED THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.

THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD IS, IS DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, NOT GETTING ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE MORE WATER INTO MY.

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EXCUSE ME, INTO MY PROPERTY.

AND THE OTHER THING I WORRY, TOO, IS MY HOUSE HAS A BASEMENT.

IT'S VERY OLD.

AND IF THERE'S HEAVY EQUIPMENT RUNNING, YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE IS 8.5FT FROM THE LINE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR HOUSE IS ALMOST ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

EXCUSE ME? I WORRY ABOUT HEAVY EQUIPMENT WRECKING MY FOUNDATION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S OLD.

I CAN'T, I WISH I WASN'T, BUT IT IS.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S IN.

AND LIKE I SAY, IT WAS REDONE RIGHT BEFORE I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY 20 SOME YEARS AGO, BUT IT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COULD STAND.

HEAVY EQUIPMENT RUNNING RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE HOUSE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE NEW GARAGE.

IT CONCERNS ME.

OTHER THAN THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE IN MY LETTER, I DIDN'T REALLY OPPOSE.

THE THINGS THAT THAT WERE PROPOSED ON THERE.

OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT MY CONCERNS ARE RUN OFF, I CANNOT HAVE MORE RUNOFF.

THE RUNOFF. THE WATER SHOULD BE DIRECTED DOWN TO THE STREET, OR DOWN TO THE LAKE, OR DOWN TO WHEREVER, BUT NOT TO MY LOT.

IN MY HOUSE. YOU KNOW, ONE DAY I HOPE MAYBE WE'LL EVEN REBUILD, TOO.

AT WHICH TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WIDE, A LITTLE WIDER LOT ON CRYSTAL BAY TWO.

WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD MOVE OUR HOUSE BACK AS WELL, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM.

SO, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM THAT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND SO, THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT I HAVE WHEN I SAW THIS.

BUT AS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN MY LETTER, I DIDN'T GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, OPPOSE.

YOU KNOW, PROJECT NECESSARILY, AS LONG AS THE GARAGE IS TRULY SET BACK LIKE IT SAYS.

SO, IT DOESN'T BLOCK MY VIEW OF THE LAKE BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS SET BACK.

YOU KNOW, PROPERLY.

I SAY, AS I WOULD THINK THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO INTENDED TO BE.

AND SO. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO, MR. CHAIR.

JUST A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.

NOT TO REPHRASE ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID OR YOUR LETTER OR PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT IF ANY CHANGES ARE DONE HERE AT ALL, WHETHER THEY BE IN THE FORM THEY HAVE, THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT BEFORE US, IF ANY CHANGES ARE DONE, YOU REALLY WANT.

DUE DILIGENCE AND GOOD ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, SO IT DOES NOT CAUSE YOU ANY INCONVENIENCE OR ANY PROBLEMS IN YOUR PROPERTY.

THAT IS A DECENT SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING FORWARD TO US? I'M HOPING FOR SOME RELIEF WITH NOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY I SHOULD BE GETTING ALL THE WATER.

BEHIND THE HOUSES TO MY DIRECTED TO MY PROPERTY.

I'VE EXPRESSED THIS TO THE OFFERS BEFORE.

I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DISAPPOINTED WITH ME.

BUT I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE.

MY HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE 150 YEARS.

I'M ACTUALLY STARTING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACK CORNER IS STARTING TO SAG BECAUSE IT'S WET ALL THE TIME.

MY BACKYARD USED TO BE LAWN.

NOW IT'S A SWAMP.

IT'S MUD WHEN THERE'S ANY KIND OF RAIN.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE.

YES, I WAS, IF I MAY, I MEAN, ONE THING THAT IS A BLESSING OF ANY TIME WE ARE DOING STRUCTURE CLOSE TO THE WATER, THE WATERSHED DISTRICT AND THERE'S REQUIREMENTS OF US NEEDING TO ALSO HAVE A STORMWATER RUNOFF PLAN WHICH WE'RE PROBABLY NOT AT THAT POINT YET.

AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF ANY OF THIS IS WRONG, BUT IF WE APPROVED ANY OF THIS THAT WOULD BE THE UPSIDE IS THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A PLAN TO MANAGE THAT WATER RUNOFF.

AND WOULD THAT INCLUDE ON HENNEPIN COUNTY TRAIL? NO, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SPECIFIC TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE RUN OFF IN THE BACK SECTION OF YOUR PROPERTY, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO ON THIS SIDE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE ANY RUNOFF COMING FROM UPHILL.

WHY SHOULD THE EDGING AND STUFF ON THE LANDSCAPING BEHIND THE HOFFER'S HOUSE BE ABLE TO DIRECT ALL THE WATER DOWN TO BEHIND TO MY HOUSE? YOU KNOW, I THINK WHATEVER IS EXISTING, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOR ABOUT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN COME TO A CONCLUSION TO WORK TOGETHER ON IF THERE IS SOME EXISTING DRAINAGE, THAT'S ISSUES.

BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER THAT EXISTING STUFF RIGHT NOW.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

JUST WHAT IN ONE SECOND.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT?

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SEEING NONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL BRING YOU BACK UP THE APPLICANT.

JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

JOHN HOFER, 3339 CRYSTAL BAY ROAD.

AND FULLY ARE WILLING TO DO A SWALE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THAT PROPERTY, BECAUSE WE HAVE, IF WE'RE MOVING DIRT AROUND, THAT'S PERFECT TO DO A SWALE, SO I'LL CONTROL ANY WATER COMING OFF OF OUR PROPERTY.

I CAN'T CONTROL COMES OFF OF HENNEPIN COUNTY'S PROPERTY.

AND IF YOU SEE THE HOW THE LOTS WORK.

HIS HOUSE AND THE HOUSE NEXT TO EAST.

WHEN THEY REBUILT THAT THEY DIDN'T DO A BASEMENT ANYMORE.

THEY DID A SLAB BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TWO LOWEST LOTS ON THE WHOLE STREET.

AND THEN AS YOU GO ON THE REST OF THE STREET, THE LOTS START TO COME UP AGAIN.

MY HOUSE DOWN TO MATCH THAT LOWER HEIGHT.

OR FIX THE HENNEPIN COUNTY.

BUT WHATEVER WE DO ON OUR SIDE, I'LL PUT A SWALE AND.

TO CONTROL THE WATER.

WELL, WITH ALL RESPECT, BECAUSE YOU BRING IT OUT THAT YOU JUST ONE SECOND, SIR.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD, YOU CAN GO UP, BUT PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, SO YEAH.

OKAY. SO, IT'S YOUR INTENT TO MAKE THE DRAINAGE BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY.

YEAH. I MEAN, OUR HOUSE IS HIGHER, AND THE HILL DOES GO DOWN.

I MEAN, I DON'T, BUT NOT MUCH WATER ACTUALLY COMES OFF OF OUR PROPERTY AND WE HAVE NOT REGRADED THAT LOT.

THAT'S HOW WE FOUND IT.

AND WHEN WE WHEN WE REBUILT THAT HOUSE, WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANY FOUNDATION, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DISTURB ANY.

AND ACCORDING TO YOUR PLANS.

AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOUR CONTRACTOR.

I DON'T SEE ANY RIGHT NOW; I DON'T SEE ANY GRADING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE ANY WATER TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

IN FACT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE NOT ADJUSTING THE GRADING AT ALL.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG FOOTINGS.

RIGHT? WE'LL DO THOSE AS CAREFULLY AS WE CAN.

I LIVED WITH A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION ON THAT STREET, AND I KNOW WHAT A PAIN IT IS WITH ALL THE TRUCKS AND ALL THE DAMAGE THAT THEY'VE DONE TO OUR LOT, YOUR LOT AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S LOT. SO, I WILL BE MINDFUL.

THANK YOU. LET'S BRING IT UP HERE FOR DISCUSSION.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.

SOME OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MODIFYING THE PLAN, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT REDESIGNING, BUT A POSSIBILITY OF EXPANSION OF THE GARAGE WITHOUT NEEDING TO ADD A THIRD STALL. WOULD THAT STILL TRIGGER VARIANCE REQUESTS OR WHAT COULD THAT POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE? THAT WOULD, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WASN'T EXPLORED, I DON'T THINK IN, IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

AND IT'S JUST FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, HOW CAN.

THEIR HARDSHIPS BE SOLVED IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T NEED AS MUCH HARD COVER AS THE PROPOSAL DOES.

OKAY. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR NEED IS MORE STORAGE, COULD IT BE ADDED ON IN A SMALLER AMOUNT? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? RIGHT. WE CAN'T REDESIGN IT FOR THEM.

IT WAS JUST SOME QUESTIONS TO PUT OUT THERE FOR YOU TO DISCUSS.

OKAY. AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION REGARDING LIKE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BEING A SHED.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD IN THIS DISTRICT WHAT SETBACKS WOULD BE FOR A SHED, OR IF THAT WOULD EVEN BE POSSIBLE WITH THE WITH THE DIFFERENT SETBACKS IN THE LAKE AND ORIGINAL HIGH-WATER LINE? SURE. SO JUST LOOKING AT THE SURVEY HERE THE AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK IS, IS THIS LINE 75-FOOT SETBACK IS HERE.

THEY COULD PUT IN A SHED, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A HARD COVER ISSUE.

RIGHT? SO, POTENTIALLY WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE GRAVEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I KNOW THEY HAVE A 7.5FT SETBACK FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S REDUCED FOR IT'S THE SAME.

OKAY. SEVEN AND A HALF.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I'LL KICK IT OFF.

LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD OR SOUND GOOD ON PAPER WITH THE VARIANCES NEEDED, BUT CONSIDERING THE STREET, CONSIDERING THE OTHER PROJECTS ON THIS STREET, I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S.

THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A PRETTY REASONABLE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT.

THEY HAVE A NEED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL STORAGE GARAGE, AND THEY HAVE A NEED FOR A PORCH THERE, STEPPING IT BACK FROM THE STREET TO TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBOR'S

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VIEWS. THEY'RE ALSO REDUCING THE HEIGHT SO IT'S NOT AS TALL AS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

LET'S TALK TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY WITHIN THOSE WHICH WE RARELY SEE ON THIS STREET.

THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO THE EAST.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN A ONE-FOOT SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THIS THEY'RE ACTUALLY CONFORMING THE BACKYARD SETBACK.

I DON'T THINK THEY COULD MEET A 30 FOOT.

AND IF THEY COULD, THEY'D HAVE TO PUT THE GARAGE LAKEWARD ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE STREET.

SO THAT THOSE SETBACKS DON'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.

AND THEN THE HARDCOVER AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THIS STREET BEFORE, THAT CRYSTAL BAY ROAD, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SURVEY, IS PLATTED ON.

WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN PLATTED.

IT'S ON TOP OF THEIR DIRT THAT THEY OWN, AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING CREDIT FOR THAT UNDERNEATH IT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT.

OF COURSE, THE HARDCOVER IS CALCULATED OUT, BUT ALSO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS CALCULATED OUT.

SO, IF YOU WERE TO CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THAT ROAD ENCOMPASSES, THERE HARDCOVER WOULD NOT BE 44%.

IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS THAN THAT.

AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS STREET BEFORE AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'VE COME TO THOSE DETERMINATIONS THAT THE HARDCOVER, I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN IT 50 SOME PERCENT, 57% THAT WE'VE APPROVED ON THAT STREET.

SO, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN.

BUT I'M OPEN FOR OTHER OPINIONS UP HERE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH AT ALL.

MY CONCERN HERE IS HIS NEIGHBOR AND THE WATER RUNOFF, AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES THAT WOULD COME UP WITH A PLAN TO YOU TO REDUCE THE WATER THAT GOES ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ENGINEERING PLAN RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARROWS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

IT IS PROPOSED TO SWALE THAT.

SO, IT'S COMING AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

AND. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'M READING THERE, AND I THINK IT'S THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT NOT TO CREATE A PROBLEM. THOSE ARROWS ARE DICTATED BY THE FLOW OF WATER.

OKAY. WELL MR. CHAIR SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ILLUSTRATION OF TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE THE POSITION, AT LEAST FOR THE STORM WATER RUNOFF. I THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR DIPLOMACY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

CLEARLY. I GENERALLY I'M NOT.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HARD COVER AS LONG AS IT'S MANAGED.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IT IS AN AREA WHERE WE DO SEE PROBLEMS TRYING TO MANAGE IT INTO THE GUIDELINES. WE ALSO TRY NOT TO WORSEN POSITIONS AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK HARDCOVER IS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE HAS BEEN MORE AGREEABLE THAN STRUCTURE.

AND I THINK WHERE I'M STRUGGLING, I THINK IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS.

ONE IS THE EXISTING HOUSE IS 0.8FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND WANTING TO HAVE A REASONABLE GARAGE TO USE.

I CAN, AS A RESIDENT ON CRYSTAL BAY MYSELF WITH A NARROW LOT.

I CAN EMPATHIZE THAT BUT YOU'RE GOING FROM 18FT TO 30FT IN WIDTH IF YOU COUNT THE TWO GARAGES TOGETHER. A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD KILL FOR A GARAGE THAT WIDE.

SO, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS THE DIFFICULTY THAT I'M HAVING.

AND YOU MENTIONED YOURSELF.

YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT FIND OUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN STICK WITH OR IF YOU HAVE TO MOVE, AND I THINK YOU'RE IN THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU DON'T LIKE MASSING. IF I'M BEING CANDID WITH YOU IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.

AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S GONE.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.

AND STORM WATER IS MITIGATED BETTER WITH MASSING THAN SPRAWLING STRUCTURE.

AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I THINK IT'S BEEN GENERALLY ACCEPTED AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

BUT AGAIN, I CAN EMPATHIZE IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, IN THE WIDTH.

IT'S JUST IF THIS WAS A PROPOSED AS A HOUSE THAT'S COMPLETELY BEING REBUILT AND YOU PUT THE SETBACKS AT SEVEN AND A HALF ON EACH SIDE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO CREATE AN ISSUE WITH AVERAGE LAKESHORE SETBACK, BUT THAT PROBABLY WOULD PASS BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPROVING A LOT OF OTHER POSITIONS, AND YOU PROBABLY COULD PROPOSE A GARAGE THAT'S 24FT WIDE.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

AND THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REALLY.

MAKING IT WORK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER YET.

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I JUST THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT FOR OUR DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHY I MENTIONED THE LINES IN THE PAPER.

BECAUSE IF I'M A HOMEOWNER, AND I'M MAKING A BIG FINANCIAL DECISION, I WANT TO KNOW MY OPTIONS.

AND WE'RE JUST SAYING, GIVEN THIS AREA AND THE MASSING, YOU HAVE OPTIONS WHERE IF YOU CAME IN HERE AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND WE'RE GOING TO RECENTER THIS HOUSE AND WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE, WE'D PROBABLY BE VERY, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE OF THAT GIVEN OUR HISTORY.

BUT SO THAT'S AN OPTION.

BUT GIVING THIS ONE, I THINK, AS CHAIR POINTED OUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS NOT RIDICULOUS GIVEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE ONLY BRING THESE OTHER THINGS UP JUST AS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TO WHAT YOUR DECISIONS GOING FORWARD.

IF I CAN JUMP IN HERE TO SHARE A COUPLE.

MR. BOLLIS YOU HAD MENTIONED THE COUNTING THE CRYSTAL BAY ROAD AND THE FRONTAGE TOWARDS THE LAKE THERE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, BUT I THINK THERE'S FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S NO REDUCTION OF HARD COVER IN THIS PLAN.

WHETHER WE INCLUDE THAT IT WOULD LESSEN THE PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THERE'S A GREATER AREA OF IT.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE ANY EXISTING HARD COVER.

THEY'RE MERELY ADDING HARD COVER WITH THIS PLAN.

SO, IT'S STILL POTENTIALLY WOULD BE AN OVERAGE OR AN ADDITION AND WOULD NOT IMPROVE THE POSITION.

I GUESS THE PERCENTAGE WOULD LOWER ONLY BASED ON THE SURFACE AREA THAT THAT IS THEN ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THAT.

I THINK THE OTHER THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE I HAVE TO SHARE, I'VE MENTIONED NUMEROUS OTHER TIMES WHEN WE'VE DEALT WITH GARAGE ADDITIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT I KEEP COMING BACK TO.

PERSONALLY, WE DON'T WE DON'T ALWAYS ALL AGREE ON IT.

BUT THIS THIS LOT IS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAS USAGE OF THIS LOT IN THAT MANNER.

WITH A TWO-CAR GARAGE.

IT'S NOT A HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE AT ALL.

AND SO, WE GET INTO HOW MANY GARAGES ARE ACCEPTABLE, EXCESSIVE STORAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

HOW MANY ARE THERE.

AND I THINK I'VE HISTORICALLY, I'VE ALWAYS COME BACK TO THERE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME HERE THAT IS PERMITTED BY, BY THE ZONING OF THIS, THAT DOES HAVE A GARAGE THAT IS THERE AND FUNCTIONAL.

HOW MANY GARAGE SALESPEOPLE DESIRE OR WANT OR NEED BASED ON THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL STORAGE AND VEHICLE CAPACITIES IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEBATE ALL, ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT. AND SO, FOR THOSE REASONS, I, I TYPICALLY TEND TO, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, LEAN TOWARDS NOT APPROVING IT BECAUSE THERE IS A GARAGE THERE THAT'S FUNCTIONAL AND HAS SPACE AND AVAILABILITY.

ALSO, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLORE, AND I'M NOT HERE TO REDESIGN, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD, BECAUSE I HEARD THE APPLICANT STATE NUMEROUS TIMES STORAGE IS PRIMARY THE PRIMARY CONCERN HERE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH OR ADDRESS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A SITUATION, LIKE I MENTIONED, EVEN A SHED OR SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULDN'T TRIGGER AS MUCH OR ANY OF THIS, THAT THAT MAY SOLVE A STORAGE SOLUTION FOR THEM FOR THINGS LIKE A SNOWBLOWER AND LAWN MOWER THAT THEY'VE MENTIONED.

I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU.

YEAH. IF I MAY, JUST ONE MORE THING TO ADD ON TO COMMISSIONER KIRCHNER.

THE ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T SAY THAT I WANT TO GO ON AS A STANCE, I GUESS IT'S A DENSE ROAD.

I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR IN ANY ASPECT OF INCREASING THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH THAT IT'S ALREADY A DRIVEWAY APPROACH OF AROUND 18FT.

IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE SURVEY.

THAT'S A REASONABLE APPROACH.

IF YOU'RE ADDING HARDCOVER, I CAN BE PROBABLY PERSUADED TO ADD HARDCOVER AS WELL, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, THAT WE DON'T INCREASE THE APPROACH AND MAYBE JOG OUT THAT HARDCOVER IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THIS IS DETERMINED.

THANK YOU, JOHN. I WOULD TAKE AN OPPOSITE VIEW ON THAT BECAUSE THAT STREET IS SO NARROW AND TIGHT, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC TO HAVING A WIDER DRIVEWAY APPROACH FOR ADDITIONAL OFFSITE PARKING.

YOU CAN'T PARK ON THAT STREET AND MANEUVER VERY WELL.

SO THAT'S THIS IS THIS IS ONE SPOT WHERE I THINK THAT WIDER APPROACH IS ACTUALLY BETTER.

YEAH. BUT I SEE YOUR POINT AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER ERICKSON, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, I THINK.

RIGHT? YEAH, I HAD MY THOUGHTS ARE SIMILAR TO YOURS.

GOD, TERMS OF THERE ARE.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.

ONE IS THAT THE SIDE SETBACK ON ONE SIDE GOES FROM 0 TO 23, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.

OKAY. AND ALSO IN FACT, THAT ONE THE ZERO REALLY THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE A NEGATIVE NUMBER BECAUSE IT INVOLVES AN ENCROACHMENT, WHICH I JUST, I'M NOT SURE NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK.

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BUT THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THE LAKESHORE SETBACK IMPROVES FROM 50 TO 59, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.

HOWEVER, THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THE HARDCOVERS INCREASING SIGNIFICANTLY AND THE REASON WE HAVE HARD COVER RESTRICTIONS IS TO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THE RATE OF THE RUNOFF.

OKAY. OBVIOUSLY, IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, THREE INCHES OF RAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE THREE INCHES OF RAIN, OKAY, NO MATTER WHAT THE STRUCTURES ARE.

BUT BUT HOW FAST WILL THAT RUNOFF.

MOVE WHEREVER IT GOES, OKAY? AND THE RATE OF RUNOFF INCREASES WITH HARD COVER.

OKAY. AND SO.

AND. THE OTHER.

AND TYPICALLY WHEN WE GRANT VARIANCES WE LOOK FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO IF IF YOU HAD AN EXISTING 44% AND YOU COULD GET IT DOWN TO 37, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD BE INCLINED TO DO.

BUT THIS IS GOING THE WRONG WAY.

THIS ONE'S STARTING AT 37 AND GOING TO 44, WHICH MEANS THE RATE OF RUNOFF BASED ON THAT WILL PROBABLY INCREASE.

AND THAT MEANS THAT.

AND THEN MEANWHILE, WE'VE GOT A VERY NEARBY CLOSE NEIGHBOR ADJACENT PROPERTY WHO'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF OF IN HIS LETTER. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE HIS LETTER MOVE FORWARD AS A PART OF THE RECORD EITHER THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT OR THROUGH THE MINUTES THAT HE HAS ENUMERATED.

I THINK THERE'S EIGHT DIFFERENT POINTS THERE, ALL RELATED TO WATER.

AND SO I COULDN'T I CAN'T SOMETIMES WE'VE WE'VE GRANTED.

VARIANCES THAT GO THE WRONG WAY.

IF WE'VE GOT ONE THAT GOES THE WRONG WAY AND FIVE THAT GO THE THE PREFERRED WAY, THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DO THAT.

BUT THIS IS THIS IS JUST A REALLY PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF, OF PROTECTING THE INTERESTS OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

AND. WOW.

AS IT GOES FORWARD IF IT DOES.

BUT AT THE VERY LEAST WE WOULD NEED, I WOULD SAY, A DRAINAGE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.

SO THAT.

YOU KNOW THE THAT WAY THE THE NEIGHBOR CAN.

YOU KNOW, IF THE ENGINEER APPROVES IT, CHANCES ARE IT'LL BE A GOOD THING, YOU KNOW? BUT IN NOT HAVING ANY OF THAT AT THIS POINT IS I THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC.

THANK YOU. I DO THINK THERE IS.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DO THINK THERE IS DRAINAGE ON THIS PROPOSAL.

AND IT'S NOT DRAINING TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

THERE'S A GRADING PLAN THAT INDICATES SOME DRAINAGE WAYS.

IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR STORMWATER MITIGATION IDEAS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WITH IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DISCUSS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON.

BUT THEY PROVIDED A GRADING PLAN THAT INDICATES SOME DRAINAGE.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

SO THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIR, AND AGAIN NO, NO NO OFFENSE TAKEN.

I DISAGREE ON THE ON THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH.

I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT IT'S A BENEFIT, BECAUSE AT LEAST IT ALLOWS ACCESS WHEN YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET.

ANYWAY, I GUESS THE REASON WHY, FOR ME, IS ESTHETICS.

BESIDES, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO ELIMINATE SOME HARD COVERING.

IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD, ALL YOU SEE IS PAVEMENT AND DRIVEWAYS AND WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO PARK ON THE STREET OR NOT.

IT WOULD IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE THE HARD COVER, WHETHER THAT IS INCREASED OF A CURB, THAT'S NOT A CURB CUT THERE, BUT WHETHER YOU'RE INCREASING THE APPROACH OR NOT, YOU'RE STILL ACCOMPLISHING WHAT THEY NEED TO TO GIVE ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING THAT DIFFICULTY.

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IF YOU'RE GOING TO BEND AROUND THERE.

BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT WORSENING THE POSITION OF JUST LOTS OF PAVEMENT DRIVEWAYS IN THAT APPROACH.

PUSHING IT BACK AS FAR OFF THE ROAD.

SOME GREEN WOULD BE GOOD THERE, I THINK.

I GO BACK TO THIS WATER THING, WHICH TO ME IS THE MAJOR STUMBLING BLOCK HERE.

AND IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IN THE WAY OF AN APPROVAL THAT SAYS THAT SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THIS PLAN, BUT AN ENGINEER OR SOMETHING, CAN WORK WITH THE PARTIES TO GET THE PARTIES TO AGREE ON THE THE WATER ISSUE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS NOT GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS.

WELL, ONE THING. I'LL JUST CHIME IN.

I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL VIEW, THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WATER, HIS HOUSE GOES FROM PROPERTY EDGE TO PROPERTY EDGE.

AND SO IF I WOULD CAN DO THE MATH, HE'S GOT MORE HARD COVER THAN THIS PROPOSED HARD COVER.

SO IF IT'S REALLY THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW.

BREAK. BREAK UP AN AERIAL VIEW.

YOU GOT YOU GOT A BIG DRIVEWAY THAT COUNTS IN THE PATH.

SO, I MEAN, JUST IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I THINK THAT HE'S GOT A SWELL PLAN, BUT YOUR HOUSE IS YOU GOT STRUCTURED TO ONE END OF THE PROPERTY, THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IF, IF RUNOFF IS A BIG CONCERN, YOU COULD ALWAYS REDUCE YOUR MASSING AND YOU COULD CREATE A SWALE ON YOUR PROPERTY.

SO, I MEAN, HE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

GEOGRAPHY IS. RIGHT.

SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO, I MEAN, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF LEVERS HERE.

I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO CAST BLAME OR ANYTHING.

I'M JUST KIND OF. HERE'S THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.

SO THEY GOT THIS PROPOSED PLAN, DOES HAVE A SWALE IN THE PLAN.

AND THEN DRAINING WILL BE ADDRESSED.

AND THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO.

SO. WELL, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY IT'S KIND OF A SPLIT UP HERE.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

OKAY. IF YOU DON'T MIND.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. I FEEL FORTUNATE THAT I'M THE LAST ONE THAT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING, BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THESE OTHER OBJECTIVE OPINIONS AND AND INTERPRETATIONS, AND I YET EVEN AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MCCUTCHEON ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PARTICULAR STREET, THE LOT SIZES AND GIVES ME A CHANCE TO USE ONE OF MY FAVORITE WORDS, THE MEANDER OF THE LAKESHORE, WHICH DOES CHANGE THINGS AS IT MOVES ALONG THE BAY AND THE ROAD. I REALLY HAVE TO DEFER BACK AGAIN TO THE FACT THAT I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS APPROVABLE.

I LOOK AT THE STAFF'S DILIGENCE AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY'VE SPENT TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR GUIDANCE, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE SET AS BOTH PRECEDENT AND VERSE IN CHAPTER.

I KNOW THAT A GOOD CASE WAS MADE BY THE APPLICANTS AND THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER.

ARCHITECTURAL ENTITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN REMODELED OR REBUILT OR INFILL.

BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE TO USE ANY OF THOSE EXAMPLES AS PRECEDENT, BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.

SO AS A GUIDING SOURCE OF INFORMATION TO ASSIST THE CITY COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY FINALLY MAKING A DECISION ON THIS, I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST TOO BIG AN ASK FOR STAFF TO APPROVE, AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE REASONS AND THE PRECEDENT THAT THEY'RE USING.

THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTIVE FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, IS IF WE ACTUALLY HAD METRICS AND EMPIRICAL DATA OF WHAT THE HARD COVER WAS ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE THERE.

BUT WE AGAIN, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT RESOURCE IMMEDIATELY TODAY AT OUR DISPOSAL.

SO I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT AN APPROVAL OF THIS IN CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT FEEL THAT WAY, BECAUSE I REALLY JUST DON'T THINK I THINK IT'S TOO BIG AN ASK.

IT'S TOO COMPLICATED.

IT HAS TOO MANY ELEMENTS THAT DON'T REALLY FOLLOW IN, IN KEEPING WITH WHY WE'VE SET STANDARDS THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND WHY SO OFTEN THE STAFF GIVES US INPUT THAT'S RELIABLE.

AND AND I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S DENIAL.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROVABLE AS IT'S PRESENTED AND AS WE SEE AS WE SEE IT IN ITS STATE RIGHT NOW.

CAN I ADD ONE? THANK YOU.

YEP. ON THAT ONE.

THANK YOU, MR. LIBBY.

I THINK THE OTHER IMPORTANT PART TO RECOGNIZE, TOO, IS THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE PERCENTAGE NUMBER CHANGES BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT.

AND SO HAVING OTHER HOMES THAT, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE EMPIRICAL DATA AS TO WHAT THOSE HOMES ARE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF HARDCOVER DEPENDING ON THE LOT

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SIZE, THAT COULD ALSO VARY THE PERCENTAGE HIGHER OR LOWER.

EXACTLY. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING THOSE APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, I COME BACK TO LOOKING AT WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITION TO ADD A THIRD GARAGE STALL AND A DECK TO A ALREADY EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE.

AND SO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER APPLICATIONS WERE ON OTHER LOTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EXCEEDED HARDCOVER YOU KNOW, IF THOSE WERE FOR A HOME IN TOTALITY, THAT'S MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DID THEY HAVE TWO GARAGES? DID THEY HAVE ONE? DID THEY HAVE FOUR STALLS? I DON'T KNOW BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION AS JUST THE ADDITION OF A, OF A GARAGE STALL TO, TO WHAT ALREADY IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A WITH A GARAGE.

OKAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AND SAY THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE APPLICATION AS APPLIED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO REDESIGN.

IF THERE'S OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

BE A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT.

IF WE COULD FIND SOME SUPPORT, TO FIND A MAJORITY TO APPROVE AS APPLIED.

BUT IF WE DON'T AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO REDESIGN IT, THEN I THINK WE PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS TO WHY WE DON'T AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.

MY, MY OPINION WOULD BE I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF HARDCOVER WITHOUT ADDING TO THE THE APPROACH TO THE DRIVEWAY.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE TO WHAT AMOUNT, BUT I CAN I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR GUESTS.

I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF STRUCTURE AS APPLIED.

FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU'RE ADDING HARDCOVER AND STRUCTURE.

IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY HAS SOME DIFFICULTY, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT.

MR. RESSLER. IF I CAN POINT OUT THERE IS GRAVEL THAT'S CALLED OUT THERE, THAT'S THERE ALREADY FOR EXISTING FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.

SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D BE OKAY WITH ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY BUT NOT ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE.

CORRECT. WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS ALREADY THERE WITH THAT GRAVEL.

OKAY. YEAH.

EXACTLY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE WHERE YOU'RE AT ON YOUR POSITION, THE GRAVEL, THE PARKING PAD THAT'S THERE IS.

TOWARDS THE EAST, TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS MOVE, ESSENTIALLY SWAP THAT HARD COVER TO MAKE IT CLOSER TO THE DRIVEWAY, MOVE IT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

YEAH, BUT YOU'D RATHER SEE THAT.

STAY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

I CAN SUPPORT.

I PERSONALLY WOULD SUPPORT HARD COVER.

JUST HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, I THINK WE'RE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF HARD COVER FOR PARKING PURPOSES THAN WE ARE STRUCTURE AND BASED ON HISTORIC, HISTORICAL DECISIONS THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD SUPPORT.

AND I'LL JUST BE GENERAL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT HERE TO DESIGN.

GOT IT. OKAY.

MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND DOES GRAVEL EVEN COUNT AS HARD COVER.

IS IT PERMEABLE? DOES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

GRAVEL IS HARD COVER.

ANYTHING THAT YOU PARK ON OR DRIVE ON, WE IN THE CITY CODE COUNT AS HARD COVER.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION.

MAYBE IT'D BE GOOD TO GET A MOTION IF ANYONE'S READY TO, EITHER FOR OR AGAINST.

AND WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTING GOES.

WELL, IN THE INTEREST OF THE OF THE APPLICANT, I THINK WE WOULD TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD SUPPORT AN APPROVAL BEFORE WE MOTION TO DENY.

BUT. ANYBODY.

IF NOT, I'LL. UNFORTUNATELY, I'LL GET A MOTION TO DENY.

LA 24 DASH 16 AS APPLIED.

I THINK THERE'S MEAT ON THE BONE HERE.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM RESSLER.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KIRCHNER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. WE'LL VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL.

I. OPPOSED.

I. MOTION CARRIES TO DENY I DIDN'T GET THE FORMAL COUNT THERE.

SO 66 TO 1.

AND JUST FOR DENIAL, AND I THINK A DENIAL, NAY, WAS BOLLIS.

MAYBE I WOULD SUPPORT SOME.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT IS THE HARDCOVERS, THE NUMBER AND AND THAT'S LIKE ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE GOING UP JUST TO DEAL WITH IT.

RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

SO I THINK INDIRECTLY THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THE THE HARDCOVER IS IS THE CONSTRAINT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BRAINSTORM ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS HOW TO HOW TO GET THERE.

BUT THOSE ARE THE CONSTRAINTS.

YOU GOT TO WORK WITH THE HARDCOVER AND THEN TRY TO HAVE THE HOME WORK FOR YOU AS I THINK.

THE TONE I'M GETTING FROM EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALMOST EVERYBODY.

YEAH. THIS BRINGS US TO OLD BUSINESS LA 23 DASH 62.

[6.1. #LA23-000062, Granite Companies LLC o/b/o Travis & Sara Wildenberg, 3838 Cherry Avenue, After-the-Fact Conditional Use Permit for Lakeshore Walls (Staff: Melanie Curtis) ]

THIS IS GRANITE COMPANIES LLC, LLC, ON BEHALF OF TRAVIS AND SARAH WILDENBERG FOR 3838 CHERRY AVENUE.

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AFTER THE FACT. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR LAKESHORE WALLS, MISS CURTIS.

THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AFTER THE FACT OF RULE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO TO CONSTRUCT A NEW AND REPLACEMENT RETAINING WALLS ON THEIR LAKE YARD SLOPE WITHIN THE 75 FOOT SETBACK.

THIS AFTER THE FACT CP REQUEST WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN JANUARY AND AFTER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION, YOU TABLED THE APPLICATION TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED AN ENGINEERED DESIGN FOR THE RETAINING WALLS AND UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND A REVISED CERTIFICATE OF SURVEY SHOWING THE WALL LAYOUT.

INCLUDING A COMMENT FROM THEIR SURVEYOR REGARDING THE STRUCTURAL NEED FOR THE PROPOSED WALLS.

STAFF HAS FIELDED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS FROM NEIGHBORS INQUIRING ABOUT THE STATUS AND DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, BUT NONE HAVE PROVIDED FORMAL COMMENT.

WITH THE SUBMITTED INFORMATION, THE COMMISSION SHOULD DETERMINE IF THEY FIND THE ENGINEER'S STATEMENT ABOUT THE SLOPE STABILITY AND THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED WALL PLAN ACCEPTABLE. AND IT DOES THE COMMISSION FIND THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL ADEQUATELY SCREEN THE NEW WALLS AND PROVIDE STABILIZATION FOR THE SLOPE.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE REQUIRED INFORMATION TO FOR THE WALL RECONSTRUCTION ON THE SLOPE.

AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.